[16:32] <greg-g> why would you ddos wikipedia?
[16:32] <jrwren> street cred
[16:33] <greg-g> the best they can do is short (~3 minute) partial outage
[16:35] <jrwren> greg-g: how are you mitigating?
[16:36] <greg-g> not saying yet, this is the third time with the same pattern (ie: same person(s)) in the past week
[16:36] <greg-g> :)
[16:36] <greg-g> we're still addressing some issues, have already addressed some, etc
[16:37] <jrwren> if its few enough addresses, BGP blackhole them upstream. :)
[16:37] <greg-g> I don't know offhand, honestly
[16:37]  * greg-g isn't doing any of the actual work, of course :)
[16:38] <greg-g> "management"
[16:42] <cmaloney> greg-g: Sometimes you can only answer with "people are assholes"
[16:42] <greg-g> funny, that was basically the response I got in anothr room
[16:42] <greg-g> "almost any reason is good enough really, when combined with being a huge asshole..."
[16:42] <jrwren> street cred dude.
[16:43] <jrwren> proof of botnet capability.
[16:43] <greg-g> yeah
[16:43] <jrwren> its like "we want to attack XYZ and will pay you $$$, but first proove you have what it takes"
[16:43] <greg-g> "buy this botnet that can take down WP!"
[16:44] <cmaloney> There but by the grace of God to they continue to exist
[16:44] <jrwren> well, WP is likely thought of as big enough that if you can do that then you can take down some other site.
[16:44] <cmaloney> s/to/do/
[16:44] <greg-g> the annoying this is, the attack shows they know a bit about our setup/infra/weak parts of the software
[16:44] <jrwren> ORL?
[16:45] <greg-g> nothing that you couldn't figure out quickly
[16:45] <cmaloney> Moreso than a standard Mediawiki install?
[16:45] <greg-g> ie: not inside job type stuff (remember, all of our config is public: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/OPUP/ )
[16:46] <greg-g> nah, things you could figure out with a standard MW install
[16:46] <cmaloney> That's what I figured
[16:46] <cmaloney> So basically it's the same sorts of folks who steal library books
[16:46] <cmaloney> because they can
[16:46] <cmaloney> never mind the damage they cause
[16:47] <cmaloney> They're sociopaths
[16:47] <greg-g> one thing we did (that's public): https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/240385/
[17:11] <cmaloney> https://blog.getpebble.com/tag/pebble-time-round/
[17:11] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea, saw that...but 2 days battery?
[17:12] <cmaloney> Yeah, not sure what they're smoking
[17:12] <rick_h_> my whole reason for thinking of going back to pebble was battery life
[17:12] <rick_h_> saw the round and went "oh man, round and steel like my moto360 sold! and then saw that
[17:12] <cmaloney> On the plus side, I think the Time Steel is on sale at Target.
[17:12] <cmaloney> $99
[17:12] <rick_h_> time steel?!
[17:12] <cmaloney> That's like couch-cushion money. ;)
[17:12] <rick_h_> lol
[17:13] <cmaloney> Er, Time, not Time Steel
[17:13] <rick_h_> ah right time
[17:13] <cmaloney> think the Time Stell is still $249ish
[17:13]  * jrwren steals cmaloney's couch
[17:13] <rick_h_> cmaloney: yea :/
[17:13] <cmaloney> jrwren: My couch has an ATM in there
[17:13] <rick_h_> 249 for time steel...with a leather band wtf?
[17:13] <cmaloney> Yeah
[17:14] <jrwren> because its $50 cheaper than apple watch :p
[17:14] <rick_h_> not steel... that's the base sport isn't it?
[17:15] <cmaloney> ?
[17:15] <jrwren> oh. $100. I thought apple watch was $299, but its $349
[17:15] <rick_h_> right
[17:15] <cmaloney> Orig. Pebble is $74.94
[17:15] <cmaloney> PTime is 194 on Amazon (think it's discounted at Target)
[17:16] <cmaloney> PSteel is 119.99
[17:16] <rick_h_> jrwren: so $549 for stainless case with sport rubber band at the store
[17:16] <rick_h_> jrwren: 599 for the larger size
[17:17] <jrwren> rick_h_: 10,000 for EDITION
[17:17] <cmaloney> Not seeing the PTimeSteel out in the wild
[17:17] <rick_h_> so the one I'd "want" that's like my moto360 stainless is 42mm stainless steel case with link bracelet...$999
[17:18] <rick_h_> a.k.a. no f'ing way
[17:18] <cmaloney> yeah, the iWatch is stupid-price
[17:18] <cmaloney> $349 for the base model is three and a half couch cushions
[17:19] <rick_h_> lol, well you do need to host parties
[17:19] <rick_h_> buy moar couches!
[17:19] <cmaloney> heh
[17:19] <jrwren> that is like 11 bottles of Buffalo Trace
[17:19] <jrwren> i don't know what dollars are. I have to convert everything to bottles of bourbon or beer
[17:19] <cmaloney> Shit, I'd rather pop for the Macallan
[17:20] <cmaloney> $50 online
[17:20] <cmaloney> and up
[17:20] <cmaloney> logarithmically up
[17:20] <cmaloney> https://www.thewhiskyexchange.com/P-23802.aspx
[17:21] <cmaloney> That's the kind of price that I don't think my couches could ever afford
[17:21] <cmaloney> when you have to think "Car" or "Scotch" you know you're not the target demographic.
[17:23] <jrwren> SEE.
[17:23] <jrwren> evrything is different when you put it in terms of whiskey
[17:24] <cmaloney> heh
[17:50] <aleph_one> if we're talking Macallan, The Last Word in Ann Arbor has Macallan 25 at $80/oz
[17:51] <cmaloney> nice
[17:54] <jrwren> The Last Word is the best bar in the state. :p
[17:54] <jrwren> *for mixed drinks*
[18:23] <aleph_one> from what I hear that's true. if anyone wants to hold an unconventional UG meeting...