[04:49] <Nairwolf> Hi, I would like to help and make some test for the next release of Xubuntu. I'm downloading the daily 20150922.1
[04:49] <Nairwolf> I've receveid the email. Is it these testcases I have to do ? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/340/builds/102861/testcases
[04:50] <Nairwolf> It's only related to installation. What if I don't want to install it yet, but, I want to test this daily release with an usb key ? 
[04:50] <Nairwolf> Is it still relevant ? 
[04:50] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[04:51] <holstein> Nairwolf: oh.. yeah, thats where.. i would wait around, and make sure those are the proper ones.. there is also a release channel..
[04:52] <Nairwolf> what is the release channel, holstein ? 
[04:53] <Nairwolf> thank you for the link. it's the same I've given. Sorry, my english ins't perfect. Can you explain me again "I would wait around, and make sure those are the proper ones" ?
[05:12] <Nairwolf> Hi, I've lost connection, maybe I've also lost messages, holstein ? 
[05:25] <dkessel> Nairwolf: good morning. You could still do the live session test if you dont want to install yet
[05:25] <dkessel> Or, you could install the image inside a virtual machine
[05:25] <Nairwolf> dkessel : thank you, but I suppose that what is really important to test is the installation step, right ? 
[05:26] <Nairwolf> oh, this is possible ? I didn't know. I've never down. Is it possible with virtualbox ? 
[05:26] <Nairwolf> Maybe, I'll try to install it after test a little with a live-usb. 
[05:26] <dkessel> Nairwolf: yes, it is possible with virtualbox
[05:26] <Nairwolf> I have a back-up system, so, I'll be able to come back if something is wrong. 
[05:27] <dkessel> OK great Nairwolf. Thanks for helping us!
[05:27] <Nairwolf> that's okay. I'll send a text here if I find something and if I don't know how to report it. 
[06:36] <flocculant> Nairwolf: thanks for joining in with the effort :)
[06:37] <Nairwolf> I wanted to join the xubuntu team and help since a long time, but, I figure you know what it is, always a lot of things to do... 
[06:37] <flocculant> yea
[06:37] <Nairwolf> I'm creating the usb live right now
[06:37] <flocculant> cool 
[06:37] <Nairwolf> I've never really tested a daily release. What kind of test do you expect ? 
[06:38] <flocculant> I'm about for ~ 1hour then will be back later
[06:38] <flocculant> the tests are all written out for you to follow - you gave link earlier 
[06:40] <Nairwolf> yes, but it's related to installation. It's only what we need to test ? 
[06:40] <flocculant> oic - yes currently the tests we have are all install tests
[06:41] <flocculant> we don't do application testing like this at the moment
[06:43] <Nairwolf> okay, as I said, I'm not sure to be able to test an installation. I think it's a little bit risky in my dev machine. I'll see that
[06:43] <flocculant> if you've got pc specs for it you can virtual test 
[06:44] <flocculant> majority of tests done during a cycle are like that
[06:45] <Nairwolf> okay, i'll try
[06:54] <Nairwolf> okay, see you, I'll boot on the last daily release
[07:11] <Nairwolf> It works ;)
[07:12] <flocculant> cool - just report that to the tracker for us please :)
[07:19] <Nairwolf> yes, I'll test the installation tomorrow ;) 
[07:19] <Nairwolf> It's time for me to sleep. Sorry
[07:20] <flocculant> if someone sees them come back - please tell them they can report the live ... 
[07:26] <flocculant> knome: ta :)
[07:30] <flocculant> pleia2: also thanks for fb/g1 posts - especially getting 16.04 into the title \o/
[07:33] <flocculant> bbl
[09:53] <bluesabre> morning all
[10:09] <knome> pleia2, whenever the static updates are done, we are ready to go with the article as well
[12:31] <flocculant> bluesabre: been thinking about package testing again - think we need to sort this out - I'll put my thoughts in a mail to you and ochosi to start with 
[14:50] <drc> I assume (yes I know) that the date/time of the 22-1 daily (and the lack of a 23) means that 22-1 is the freeze for the B2 test iso?
[14:52] <krytarik> drc: That current one, yes - expect there to be at least one more though.
[14:53] <drc> Never satisfied, are you? :)
[14:53] <krytarik> Well, fixing bugs. :P
[14:58] <drc> Well, as ESR once said, "release early, release often".
[14:58] <drc> Different world then :(
[15:02] <drc> OK let's boot it and see....
[15:18] <flexiondotorg> flocculant, This has been marked "Fix Released". 
[15:18] <flexiondotorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/user-setup/+bug/1498544
[15:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1498544 in user-setup (Ubuntu) "Autologin not correctly enabled on 15.10 installations" [High,Fix released]
[15:18] <flexiondotorg> I've respun the Ubuntu MATE iso and I still have the same issue.
[15:18] <flexiondotorg> Can you confirm?
[15:23] <flocculant> flexiondotorg: it's been fixed for clean install - not upgrade
[15:23] <flocculant> I'll look later 
[15:23] <flocculant> just got home ... 
[15:31] <flocculant> not really wanting to respin just for this - when they're going to respin later anyway
[15:34] <flocculant> it's not something that we'd not release a beta for - so seems rather pointless to create more respins for that
[15:36] <flexiondotorg> flocculant, Well, better to know now that the fix isn't ;-)
[15:37] <flocculant> if we were at RC I'd be more worried
[15:37] <flocculant> and frankly I'm more concerned about the upgrade issue than the clean install one
[15:37] <flocculant> and - this is what release notes are for 
[15:40] <flocculant> bah too many vm's running - now I'm confused 
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> flocculant, Jusat to be clear. Clean install is not fixed.
[15:41] <flexiondotorg> I haven't tested upgrade today.
[15:45] <flocculant> flexiondotorg: ok - I'll check when respun to confirm that
[15:45] <flocculant> seems that the clean install and upgrade will be 2 issues anyway 
[15:47] <flocculant> I lost yesterdays info so had to redo the upgrade lol 
[15:48] <drc> Headaches will do that to you :(
[15:48] <flocculant> yea 
[15:48] <flocculant> had a couple lately :|
[15:48] <drc> called 15.10B2?
[15:48] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[15:48] <flocculant> it's looking ok tbh
[15:49] <drc> Yeah, using Live USB now
[15:49] <flocculant> this upgrade/autologin issue isn't something we'd normally look at for tests
[15:49] <drc> Not lately....
[15:50] <drc> Is it just us or acreoos the board.
[15:50] <flocculant> this is *buntu
[15:50] <drc> s/acreoos/acroos
[15:50] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[15:50] <drc> OK, more tea!
[15:50] <flocculant> gtood call 
[15:51] <drc> Why do In have a bluetooth icon...I not not have blietooth on this laptop?
[15:51] <flocculant> upgrade tests aren't even on the tracker for B2 actually
[15:52] <flocculant> because it's installed by defaukt
[15:52] <drc> Yeah I saw (or rather didn't)
[15:53] <flocculant> :)
[17:10] <drc> FWIW, I just installed 22-1 test b2 3 times, each time checking autologin.  Each time this choice was ignored and I was presented with a login screen.  Looks like it's not just "after the install" that's having problems.
[17:11] <drc> Hardware, not VM
[17:29] <flocculant> drc: sorry - you misunderstood me - what you see is what I meant 
[17:29] <drc> OK...My question yesterday what I was basing it on, sorry I misunderstood.
[17:30] <drc> what's the one line workaround?
[17:32] <flocculant> I think you're probably better adding 2 to /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[17:32] <drc> OK, what's the 2 line work around? :)
[17:33] <flocculant> mmm 
[17:33] <flocculant> confusing myself here
[17:33] <flocculant> add autologin-user='username' to /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/60-xubuntu.conf 
[17:34] <drc> There
[17:34] <flocculant> changing username obviously
[17:34] <drc> OK, one line?
[17:34] <flocculant> that is one line ... 
[17:35] <drc> Let
[17:36] <drc> 's see...reboot (and change fingers) :(
[17:37] <flocculant> probably better adding stuff to lightdm.conf
[17:40] <drc> That worked.
[17:41] <flocculant> yep
[17:47] <drc> Woah...xfce4-sensors-plugin now shows up in (installed) USC...without having to installed it thru synaptic :)
[18:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: do you think we can sell off that last greybird commit (fixing the -compact xfwm4 theme) as a bugfix? (i'd rather avoid another UIFe)
[18:14] <flocculant> evenign ochosi 
[18:15] <ochosi> evening flocculant 
[18:20] <flocculant> ochosi: re that mail - mostly just to keep you in the loop - unless you've got comments of course :)
[18:28] <ochosi> flocculant: thanks, haven't had a chance to read yet
[18:29] <ochosi> i'll definitely get back to you if i have input
[18:31] <flocculant> :)
[18:35] <flocculant> ochosi: everything is looking pretty good for B2, gmb crash and issues with autologin that no-one actually tests for seems to be about it 
[18:39] <ochosi> that sounds great
[18:39] <ochosi> although that gmb bug is annoying...
[18:39] <ochosi> it has been about for a while if i'm not mistaken
[18:39] <ochosi> i wonder if it's the same thing bluesabre fixed for parole (it also had a quit-crash due to gstreamer)
[18:39] <ochosi> can you reproduce the issue?
[18:40] <ochosi> if so, could you switch to the mplayer backend to see whether it happens with that too?
[18:42] <flocculant> you tell me how to do that and I can try that
[18:42] <flocculant> yes - reproduce that easy - just start gmb and try :D
[18:50] <flocculant> nvm - think I'm a numpty
[18:50] <ochosi> heh
[18:50] <flocculant> at least I think I am - settings >audio > set to mplayer
[18:51] <ochosi> so install mplayer, fire up gmb and then go to settings > audio
[18:51] <ochosi> yup
[18:51] <ochosi> that's it
[18:51] <flocculant> be a bit anyway - made mistake of setting library ... don't want to stop it now just in case *that* crashes it :)
[18:59] <flocculant> ochosi: afraid not :( crashes with mplayer too 
[18:59] <ochosi> ok, then at least we know it's something else
[18:59] <flocculant> yep
[21:20] <Unit193> Better off editing config under /etc/lightdm/ than /usr/share/lightdm/
[21:21] <ochosi> Unit193: why's that?
[21:21] <drc> Because it'll be overwritten sooner or later?
[21:22] <Unit193> Specifically so, with the *-xubuntu.conf file, if it's changed in x-d-s it'll be overwritten without asking (as it's meant to not get edited.)
[21:24] <ochosi> yeah, editing the -xubuntu.conf file seems to more sensible way to go, no?
[21:24] <Unit193> ...No, that's the exact opposite of what I'm saying.
[21:25] <drc>  /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf?
[21:25] <Unit193> 60-xubuntu.conf is in /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/, better off going with /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf or a file in .conf.d/ 
[21:25] <Unit193> drc: Right.
[21:26] <Unit193> Anywho, doesn't matter too much as long as you know x-d-s upgrade may well overwrite it. :P
[21:26] <drc> Yeah, It's been so long since I've had to manually edit conf files that I forgot about that.
[21:27] <Unit193> (It'd be better if they installed /usr/share/doc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.gz to /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, but hey.)
[21:27] <ochosi> i thought the location in /etc is deprecated?
[21:28] <Unit193> For installing files to, sure.
[21:46] <drc> It's simple...check in 15.04 and see where they make the autologin modification(s) and Bob's your uncle.
[21:51] <Unit193> https://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/lightdm/filelist much better. :P
[21:53] <drc> That's debian, not 'buntu...are the two related? :)
[22:24] <Unit193> Sometimes you have to wonder.
[22:27] <bluesabre> evening all
[22:27] <knome> hey sean
[22:28] <Nairwolf> argh.. I'm doing some bad things with git...
[22:29] <bluesabre> ochosi: still around?
[22:31] <bluesabre> ochosi: not likely to be an issue if the changes are only to the compact theme
[22:31] <Nairwolf> sorry, bad channel
[22:31] <knome> no, this is a good channel ;P
[22:31] <drc> Bad channel, no cookie.
[22:32] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'll try to look in-depth on the gmb issue this weekend
[22:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: yes, only to that one
[22:56] <bluesabre> ochosi: ok, I'll look it over and see about creating a uife bug or new upload
[22:56] <ochosi> i'd say UIFe == skip it
[22:57] <ochosi> i also haven't done a new point release for greybird yet
[22:57] <ochosi> another thing i wanted to discuss is adding xubuntu-only patches to elementary-xfce
[22:57] <ochosi> so basically patches that only live in xubuntu-icon-theme
[22:58] <ochosi> specifically i'm thinking to update the ubiquity icon to something that makes more sense
[22:58] <ochosi> the CD metaphor is all nice and dandy, but it could be more xubuntu-specific
[22:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: non-default, shouldnt need it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfpanel-switch/+bug/1497753/comments/4
[22:58] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1497753 in xfpanel-switch (Ubuntu) "[FFe] xfpanel-switch 1.0.2" [Medium,Fix released]
[22:58] <ochosi> i'd rather not have that upstream, but wouldn't mind to carry the patch
[22:58] <knome> ochosi, if we do that (i support it), let's also move the distributor icon there so we can have a xubuntu-brand-free elementary-xfce
[22:59] <ochosi> knome: my thought exactly
[22:59] <bluesabre> sounds like a good idea to me
[22:59] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbabl
[22:59] <ochosi> ok, i
[22:59] <knome> yes, you
[22:59] <ochosi> 'll see whether i can draw up something good before the release
[22:59] <ochosi> otherwise we can target this for 16.04
[23:00] <knome> ochosi, do you have something specific in mind?
[23:00] <ochosi> i guess integrating the xubuntu-logo in an elementary-style circle with the download link
[23:00] <knome> "elementary-style circle" ?
[23:00] <ochosi> but i'd make the download link circle white/grey or something so it stands out more clearly against the blue xubuntu logo
[23:01] <knome> okay
[23:01] <ochosi> well, elementary icons use a specific combination of shapes/colors
[23:01] <knome> mhm
[23:01] <ochosi> so e.g. circles always have at least 2 to 3 layers
[23:01] <knome> yep..
[23:11] <ochosi> time to get some sleep, night all
[23:13] <knome> nighty!