[08:31] <Riddell> mparillo: high five for doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta2/Kubuntu
[08:33] <valorie> weeee
[08:33] <valorie> weird that that apport bug still hasn't been fixed
[08:34] <valorie> I guess that isn't our problem though
[08:35] <valorie> also, I'd like to remove "The Kubuntu team are committed to releasing 15.10 in October."
[08:36] <valorie> that is just a repeat of the first sentence
[08:36] <Riddell> valorie: go for it
[08:37] <valorie> omg, moin --- get into gear!
[08:38] <valorie> slowest wiki in creation
[08:39] <valorie> done
[08:40] <sitter> :@
[08:42] <sitter> uhhhh
[08:42] <sitter> /usr/include/Qca-qt5/QtCrypto/qca_safetimer.h:47:8: error: expected ':' before 'slots'
[08:42] <sitter>  public slots:
[08:43] <sitter> qca code is glorious
[08:52] <valorie> ahoneybun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1499233
[08:52] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1499233 in Ubuntu "Slack-desktop package is not in the archive" [Undecided,New]
[08:52] <valorie> soee might care too!
[08:52]  * valorie heads to bed
[08:57] <snele> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/1490221
[08:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1490221 in dolphin (Ubuntu) "Ship libkonq-common in order to fix dolphin 15.08 "create new" context menu" [Undecided,New]
[08:57] <snele> dolphin is kinda crippled atm
[08:58] <snele> also this would be nice to ship by default https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-settings/+bug/1490618
[08:58] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1490618 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "Ship qtdeclarative5-xmllistmodel-plugin and libqt5qml-graphicaleffects by default" [Undecided,New]
[09:00] <soee> valorie: it is a bit slow and menus arent responsive as they should but the client works pretty good
[09:03] <soee> http://wstaw.org/m/2015/09/24/snapshot24.png
[09:11] <clivejo> great, my feeds are gone again
[09:14] <soee> :}
[09:14] <soee> don't waste time trying tu use akregator atm.
[09:17] <Riddell> new beta candidates are up!
[09:18] <Riddell> ! testers | ↑
[09:18] <ubottu> ↑: testers is Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, sgclark, neo31, vip, mparillo for information
[09:18] <Riddell> thelionroars: ↑
[09:20] <sitter> qapt and debconf properly released now
[09:20] <sitter> I think I am done with releasing now
[09:21] <sitter> bug 1490618 wouldn't solve the problem
[09:21] <ubottu> bug 1490618 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "Ship qtdeclarative5-xmllistmodel-plugin and libqt5qml-graphicaleffects by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1490618
[09:23] <Riddell> sitter: why not?
[09:24] <sitter> Riddell: the problem is that runtime things (applets) have runtime deps (qml imports) that may not be installed. so unless you intend to seed all qml-module-* packages we have 99% of applets will remain broken
[09:25] <Riddell> we need qml packagekit integration clearly
[09:25] <Riddell> snele: thanks for the highlighting anyway, bugs tagged
[09:25] <sitter> Riddell: yes, that would solve the problem :P
[09:25] <sitter> if we had a recent packagekit
[09:25] <sitter> ...
[09:26] <sitter> Riddell: at the very least this should be discussed on plasma-devel me thinks
[09:26] <sitter> it might well be that we can actually build something on the plasma side of things
[09:26] <Riddell> why is this a new issue? wouldn't the same issue exist in kde 4?
[09:27] <sitter> which would be preferrable as we can integrate that tightly UI wise, if we have to solve it in qt it will slow down all the things and have no means to integrate with the application that caused the missing import
[09:27] <Riddell> slightly weidly we have a recently packagekit-qt now but not a recent packagekit
[09:27] <sitter> Riddell: since 90% of the applets in kde4 were c++ it didn't happen
[09:28] <sitter> now 100% of applets have a qml component so 100% can run into the problem
[09:28] <sitter> and since you mentioned it, I think when I talked with aseigo about this eons ago he suggested to have deps listed in the metadata.desktop of the applets and have plasma handle the rest
[09:29] <Riddell> mm that could help
[09:29] <sitter> which still sounds like a workable approach. however it might be that we can actually hook into the qmlengine and handle things dynamically
[09:29] <Riddell> although still tricky to get the qml module -> package matching
[09:29] <sitter> don't know enough abuot qml internals though
[09:29] <sitter> Riddell: I think that's the easy bit TBH
[09:30] <sitter> maybe not in packagekit but with qapt
[09:30] <sitter> we coudl just slap a list of modules into the package metadata
[09:30] <sitter> actually
[09:30] <sitter> Riddell: maybe appstream can help?
[09:30] <Riddell> then it's not distro independent
[09:30] <sitter> you just need distro independent api
[09:30] <Riddell> maybe, appstream knows about files, dunno how files map to qml modules
[09:31] <sitter> a bit dodgy but straight forward on a best effort basis
[09:31] <sitter> essentialy any dir with a qmldir file is a module
[09:32] <sitter> the base path with sub('/', '.') is the import name
[09:32] <Riddell> yep
[09:32] <sitter> if the dirname of basepath contains a . already everything after that denotes the version of the module
[09:32] <sitter> e.g. I think we have QtQuick.2/qmldir
[09:35] <sitter> literally 3 lines of code for very simply mapping requirements ;) http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/ci-tooling.git/tree/lib/qml_dependency_verifier.rb#n116
[09:58] <mparillo> New images? BTW, unetbootin stopped working for me, but dd does.
[10:21] <soee_> lol, can someone test one think in dolphin:
[10:22] <soee_> try using mouse to select more than 1 file or folder
[10:22] <soee_> for me dolphin quits if i select 2 or more items ..
[10:23] <soee_> same when selectgn all items (ctrl +a)
[10:24] <sitter> enable baloo :P
[10:24] <bshah> it was fixed recently
[10:24] <bshah> so update baloo :p
[10:25] <bshah> (if using unstable)
[10:32] <sitter> !find nvml.h
[10:32] <ubottu> Found: W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W:, W: (and 2 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=nvml.h&searchon=names&suite=wily&section=all
[10:32] <sitter> well that's not broken at all
[10:33] <sitter> how am I supposed to find out why plasma leaks gpumem when the relevant nvidia lib is not available!
[10:34] <soee> medh dolphin is broken :/ can't ampty trash, can't remove new items :/
[10:58] <soee> http://news.softpedia.com/news/valve-goes-after-microsoft-you-don-t-need-to-ever-build-a-directx-12-game-492612.shtml#sgal_0
[11:05] <clivejo> soee: dolphin works ok for me selecting 2 icons or all icons
[11:48] <clivejo> sitter: any news on the so5 bump?
[11:50] <sitter> no
[11:53] <clivejo> dont think I can do any more on that Wily FIX list then
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[12:00] <Riddell> clivejo: kopete needs fixed in the archive if you are looking for something to do
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[14:07] <Riddell> hi BluesKaj, beta candidates for the testing if you're able http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/346/builds
[14:09] <BluesKaj> Riddell,  the same one as yesterday? I installed yesterday's daily 
[14:10] <BluesKaj> or is this newer ?
[14:21] <marco-parillo> Newer
[14:22] <marco-parillo> Shutting down to install 32-bit LVM. BTW, need to refresh the bug list on the Beta2 page.
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[14:25] <Riddell> added milestoned bugs: http://goo.gl/AOx7bx
[14:35] <BluesKaj> ok Riddell ,zsyncing , shouldn't be a problem , now that I smartened up and created a separate root partition :-)
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[15:28] <BluesKaj> hmm, zsync is at 100% downloaded, but it's not going back to the prompt ...it's been 10 mins at 100%, is it doing asum check ?
[15:41] <Riddell> BluesKaj: dunno, control-c it and try again?
[15:41] <Riddell> sitter: why does mobile kci say I broke this? http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_tooling/
[15:43] <marco-parillo> BluesKaj: When my zsync stalls, I control-c, but before trying it again, I checksum, and it generally matches.
[15:44] <BluesKaj> mparillo,  too late I already cnacelled , this zsync is pita, wget is much simpler and faster 
[15:45] <BluesKaj> and the iso is still a part
[15:53] <Riddell> clivejo: ooh kamoso/purpose is out if you're in a packaging mood
[15:54] <sitter> Riddell: because you had a recent commit I guess
[16:04] <clivejo> Riddell: is this purpose packaging on Alioth?
[16:04] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/purpose.git/
[16:04] <Riddell> clivejo: that looks like it
[16:04] <Riddell> grab the kubuntu_wily_archive branch
[16:04] <clivejo> done
[16:04] <clivejo> but the watch file isnt working
[16:05] <clivejo> where is the new code?
[16:05] <clivejo> ah
[16:05] <clivejo> http://download.kde.org/stable/purpose/
[16:06] <clivejo> its not part of frameworks?
[16:07] <Riddell> clivejo: no not yet, so maybe that packaging should be moved, but the plan is to make it part of frameworks
[16:07] <clivejo> so update the packaging?
[16:07] <Riddell> fix the watch file and add a new changelog at least
[16:08] <Riddell> just leave it where it is for now, too much faff to move it
[16:12] <clivejo> can I use git-buildpackage-ppa on it?
[16:12] <clivejo> Riddell: ^
[16:15] <Riddell> clivejo: be my guest :)
[16:16] <Riddell> would need the watch file with the stable line added I guess (keep the unstable one in there too)
[16:17] <clivejo> Riddell: Ive pushed a fix to the watch file - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/purpose.git/log/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive
[16:17] <Riddell> lovely
[16:17] <clivejo> ok seems to be building ok
[16:20] <clivejo> purpose (1.0-0ubuntu1) wily; urgency=medium
[16:20] <clivejo> should it be UNRELEASED?
[16:21] <clivejo> Riddell: ^
[16:23] <Riddell> clivejo: yep
[16:23]  * Riddell uploads kopete fix
[16:24] <clivejo> Riddell: how did you fix it?
[16:24] <Riddell> clivejo: it was just a bunch of files that were no longer build now that kleopatra library from kdepim is kf5 instead of kdelibs4
[16:25] <Riddell> so I just removed them from the .install files
[16:27] <clivejo> Riddell: put it in staging PPA, or my own?
[16:28] <Riddell> clivejo: go with staging-whatsitcalled
[16:28] <Riddell> staging-misc so it is
[16:28] <clivejo> Ive uploaded into my own PPA for the time being
[16:29] <clivejo> test it there
[16:29] <clivejo> not put it in staging-frameworks?
[16:35] <clivejo> Riddell: does KCI not do these?
[16:36] <Riddell> I don't think it's been added to KCI yet, probably because it's not released as a framework
[16:44] <clivejo> Riddell: Kamoso is being rejected in my PPA - Version older than that in the archive. 3.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 <= 3.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1
[16:50] <Riddell> clivejo: call it 3.0.0 then
[16:50] <clivejo> 3.0.0 is higher than 3.0?
[16:52] <clivejo> Riddell: I deleted the previous build out of my PPA and dput -f it, it seems to have built in my PPA
[16:52] <clivejo> Ill wait until it publishes and test
[16:59]  * Riddell wanders out
[17:00] <Riddell> I'll mark the beta images as ready, mparillo if they get released feel free to put it on the website
[17:01]  * Riddell uploads baloo with hoped for acc fix
[17:07] <clivejo> what should the version number be?!?
[17:21] <ovidiu-florin> do any of you use the CI on a daily basis?
[18:10] <ScottK> Riddell: what was the baloo fix?
[18:44] <ovidiu-florin> so I guess not
[18:49] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: you've done packaging
[18:50]  * yofel only uses CI for package QA
[18:50] <ovidiu-florin> could you please help me?
[18:50] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I'm trying to build that VM we talked about
[18:50] <ovidiu-florin> and attempting to build Calligra
[18:50] <ovidiu-florin> apparently build-dep did not bring in everything
[18:50] <ovidiu-florin> cmake fails 
[18:51] <yofel> calligra from git has new dependencies I guess
[18:51] <ovidiu-florin> searching for KF5Archive and many others
[18:51] <ovidiu-florin> does Vivid not have KF5Archive ?
[18:52] <yofel>  libkf5archive-dev | 5.9.0-0ubuntu1  | vivid/universe | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[18:52] <yofel> too old maybe?
[18:54] <yofel> for development purposes, something like "apt install libkf5*-dev" might actually be a good idea
[18:55] <yofel> won't fetch everything thanks to exceptions like kio-dev, but it'll get most
[19:21] <clivejo> is there a stable release of calligra ported to kf5?
[19:28] <rdieter> clivejo: no
[19:29] <rdieter> (work to port it is still underway however)
[19:29] <clivejo> oh, this blog seems to suggest its done - http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/2015/09/24#porting-done
[19:30] <clivejo> I was going to attempt to package it
[19:38] <rdieter> clivejo: initial porting progress may be far, but you specifically asked for "a stable release"
[19:38] <clivejo> is there an unstable release?
[19:39] <rdieter> there is only a branch
[19:39] <clivejo> may I have a link?
[19:39] <yofel> git clone kde:calligra
[19:39] <yofel> warning: it's rather large
[19:40] <clivejo> is there any way to just get a tarball minus the git folders?
[19:40] <rdieter> clivejo: git archive
[19:40] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I've added the weekly CI PPA and upgraded, build-dep brings in nothing new, yet cmake fails with the same error for calligra
[19:41] <yofel> clivejo:  git clone --depth 1 kde:calligra might be worth a try
[19:41] <yofel> that should skip the histroy
[19:42] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: which one?
[19:44] <clivejo> rdieter: which branch is the lastest kf5 - https://projects.kde.org/projects/calligra/repository ?
[19:44] <yofel> meh, upgrading vivid to wily really doesn't give an acceptable result :(
[19:45] <rdieter> clivejo: master/ I believe 
[19:46] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: which one one?
[19:47] <ovidiu-florin> which error?
[19:47] <yofel> the error, yes
[19:47] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: Could not find a package configuration file provided by "KF5Archive"
[19:48] <ovidiu-florin> requested version 5.7.0
[19:48] <yofel> is libkf5archive-dev installed?
[19:58] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: no
[19:58] <ovidiu-florin> why is it not?
[19:58] <ovidiu-florin> why did build-dep not bring it?
[19:59] <yofel> the current calligra packaging is for the kde4 version, so it doesn't know about the new kf5 dependencies
[19:59] <Riddell> ScottK: libBalooEngine.so doesn't get installed any more so I dropped that from acc
[20:00] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: and the master hasn't been packaged yet?
[20:00] <yofel> no, clivejo just said that he's interested in packaging it ^^
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[20:02] <clivejo> if it ever downloads
[20:03] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: what do you mean downloads?
[20:03] <yofel> did you try the depth command?
[20:03] <clivejo> yes yofel, but still 200-300Mb
[20:03] <yofel> true :/
[20:04] <clivejo> and contention is high this time of the day for me
[20:07] <clivejo> do we not have a packaging branch for kubuntu?
[20:07] <clivejo> on alioth?
[20:07] <yofel> Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/calligra
[20:09] <yofel> oh, now I see that 2-auto-widgets thing
[20:11] <BluesKaj> ok Riddell, I have the latest daily installed. Had to update and upgrade at the VT/TTY upon first boot to get a desktop, and the nouveau driver was crashing the VDs until I installed the the nvidia recommended driver, but all seems fairly stable now.
[20:14] <BluesKaj> BBL, back lawn needs a haircut
[20:24] <clivejo> yofel: calligra version is set(CALLIGRA_STABLE_VERSION_MAJOR 3) # 3 for 3.x, 4 for 4.x, etc. set(CALLIGRA_STABLE_VERSION_MINOR 0) # 0 for 3.0, 1 for 3.1, etc. set(CALLIGRA_VERSION_RELEASE 89)  so thats 3.0.89?
[20:24] <yofel> yep
[20:25] <yofel> although I wonder what it's >3
[20:25] <yofel> *why it's
[20:25] <clivejo> should I use that?
[20:25] <clivejo> versions always seem to trip me up
[20:26] <yofel> drat, I have no calligra clone around
[20:26] <clivejo> I was going to call it calligra_2.9.7~git20150924
[20:26] <yofel> probably a better idea, but use + not ~
[20:27] <yofel> 2.9.7~ << 2.9.7
[20:27] <clivejo> but I see in the CMake file there is a hard cored version set
[20:27] <yofel> well, they have to put something there.. maybe ask in #Calligra
[20:28] <clivejo> its only practice, so Ill leave it at 2.9.7, easier to bump up when we know more
[20:34] <yofel> well, if you use 2.9.7~git20150924, nothing will update, because we have 2.9.7-0ubuntu3 which is larger than 2.9.7~git20150924
[20:34] <yofel> ~ is lower than "nothing"
[20:34] <yofel> i.e. 0~ is positive, but smaller than 0 ^^
[20:41] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: once clivejo manages to package calligra KF5 wil it be in the CI?
[20:41] <yofel> probably not, we would first have to move the packaging to alioth for that, then poke sitter to CI it
[20:43] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: I don't know what alioth is
[20:44] <sgclark> debian git
[20:44] <yofel> debian project management software/website
[20:45] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[20:45] <ovidiu-florin> how difficult is that ?
[20:47] <yofel> not very. Asking the pkg-kde folks if they mind (most likey not), adding the branch there, possibly modifying the repo to add KCI support, adding it on jenkins
[20:49] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[20:50] <ovidiu-florin> I found a maintainer for Karbon (the vector graphics app from calligra)
[20:50] <ovidiu-florin> but he needs me to help him with the setup
[20:50] <ovidiu-florin> and I kind of need this for this
[20:50] <ovidiu-florin> this also goes hand in hand with the Kubuntu Development provisioning setup
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> the Karbon VM image is a clone of the KDPS V 0.2
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> v stands for version
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know how to publish this though
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> valorie said something about vagrant
[20:51] <ovidiu-florin> I'll have to look into that
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> or vargrant
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> I'll look into it tomorrow
[20:52]  * ovidiu-florin goes to bed
[20:52] <ovidiu-florin> night
[20:54] <soee> what package is required to hve video previews in dolphin ?
[20:54] <soee> it look
[21:00] <Riddell> soee: ffmpegviewer I think it's called
[21:00] <soee> Riddell: does not work with current Dolphin version
[21:01] <soee> *there is no option to addd  video previews in dolphin settings
[21:01] <yofel> set(CALLIGRA_VERSION_RELEASE 89)     # 89 for Alpha, increase for next test releases, set 0 for first Stable, etc.
[21:01] <yofel> urgh, who came up with that
[21:02] <clivejo> clever huh!
[21:02] <yofel> 3.0~89 would match that I guess?
[21:03] <clivejo> I dunno, versions confuse me
[21:03] <yofel> happens if people do things upside-down
[21:03] <clivejo> LOL sounds like something Id do :P
[21:04] <clivejo> should it be 2.9.89 ?
[21:04] <clivejo> shouldnt?
[21:04] <clivejo> for an alpha
[21:04] <yofel> well, the other fields say 3.0, but .0 is supposed to be larger than .89, which doesn't work - well, 3.0.0~89 would make sense too
[21:05] <yofel> https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version tells you everything you need to know about dpkg versions
[21:06] <clivejo> yofel: how can I fix kamoso, the maintainer uses 3.0 and I used 3.0.0
[21:06] <yofel> wait for 3.1
[21:07] <clivejo> if I use 3.0 in the changelog, uscan works and downloads the file, but if I use 3.0.0 it doesnt work
[21:07] <yofel> well, download the tarball, change the version to match yours and hope nobody notices
[21:08] <yofel> alternatively, increase the package epoch, but that would be the emergency solution really (i.e. don't do that)
[21:10] <clivejo> LP says "Version older than that in the archive. 3.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 <= 3.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1"
[21:11] <clivejo> when I first packaged it I though all version had to have three numbers ie 3 0 0
[21:11] <clivejo> I didnt know you could only have two 3 0
[21:11] <yofel> you can also have just one, or use letters, see the link I gave you
[21:12] <clivejo> can that package be recalled?
[21:12] <yofel> no
[21:12] <clivejo> or deleted, as wily isnt release yet?
[21:12] <yofel> no, it is in wily release, meaning it's on peoples systems
[21:12] <yofel> you want to break kamoso updates for all dev release users?
[21:13] <clivejo> just thinking out loud
[21:13] <yofel> just change the upstream tarball version to 3.0.0, not like it's much of a difference
[21:13] <yofel> and whoever reads the changelog should understand why you did that
[21:14] <clivejo> is there any way to leave a note for the next release to follow the maintainers versioning?
[21:14] <yofel> that shouldn't be necessary..
[21:15] <clivejo> it just helps make things easier if the watch file works properly
[21:16] <yofel> whoever updates the package should first look up what version he actually tries to package anyway
[21:16] <yofel> or use uupdate
[21:16] <yofel> modifying the upstream version in any way always needs a good reason - like in this case
[21:20] <clivejo> calligra is a beast
[21:21] <clivejo> I think Ill go have a shower, its only 26%
[21:43] <clivejo> Failed at 34% :(
[21:54] <Riddell> I'm away until Monday again, have fun friends
[21:54] <yofel> enjoy the weekend
[21:57] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to Riddell
[21:57] <Riddell> :)
[22:22] <clivejo> anyone know where I could find KChartConfig.cmake/kchart-config.cmake ?
[22:26] <clivejo> apparently is part of kdiagram
[22:31] <clivejo> I guess we dont package it - https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/graphics/kdiagram
[22:48] <mparillo> Anybody know how to create a news item on the new website?
[22:49] <Riddell> mparillo: hmm ovidiu-florin will
[22:50] <Riddell> mparillo: go to wp-admin/
[22:51] <clivejo> brute force it :P
[22:52] <mparillo> Looks as if it needs my Launchpad Open ID. 
[22:52] <mparillo> But also looks as if I am not elite enough.
[22:56] <mparillo> Images are out. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/15.10/beta-2/ Announcement coming soon.