[02:44] <CooloutAC> anybody know how to get a busy mouse cursor when launching programs from desktop or start menu?
[07:09] <kgiii> Is this a good spot to ask a few questions?
[07:10] <ianorlin> kgiii: yes just ask
[07:10] <kgiii> Excellent and thanks. Is there any official word on when Lubuntu 15.10 will be released?
[07:12] <ianorlin> I think around third week of october but not sure of the exact date myself right now testing a lot of installs for final beta right now
[07:12] <marcus> hi all. i have installed the i386 variant of lubuntu and noticed that nm-applet is not started automatically after installation. is that intended?
[07:12] <kgiii> Thanks. Will I be able to do an inplace upgrade or will I need to reinstall?
[07:13] <ianorlin> marcus: if you can start it manually then run updates and it should
[07:13] <ianorlin> that is fixed in the point releases like 14.04.1
[07:14] <marcus> ok, great. thanks
[07:14] <marcus> same goes for gnome-keyring?
[07:14] <marcus> as on first startup it asks to enter a password
[07:14] <marcus> shouln't it use the login pw as default?
[07:15] <ianorlin> marcus: not sure about gnome-keyring I think you can add that to autostart
[07:16] <marcus> it starts but it prompts for a passwort to enter
[13:39] <tolkor> to all the creators, keepers and everybody else involved with lubuntu:  i want to give a huge tnx for the incredible job on this.  i became an ubuntu fan about 2006 or so, left the ubuntu world by around 2010 or so because it's front end became so ugly, cumbersome to use, and in general a resource oinker killing my older systems.
[13:39] <tolkor> i've tried various ubuntus down the years but it wasn't until i tried lubuntu 2 months ago that i felt "hey, this is nice"
[13:39] <tolkor> i am currently installing lubuntu on my 4th desktop
[13:40] <tolkor> tnx heaps and loads to all involved for a wonderful tool
[13:42] <tolkor> another attaboy:  lubuntu is the first *nix distro that my wife, who always struggles with technology, has said "i like this; it works well for me"
[15:05] <pmish> hello! could somebody help me out with changing chmod +x on a program run from an sd card?
[15:06] <pmish> i can't run it because i get a permission denial, and i cant change the rights, nothing happens
[15:07] <teward> pmish: is the SD card formatted ext4 or no?
[15:07] <pmish> running lubuntu 14.04 on a radxa rock pro (single-board computer)
[15:07] <teward> pmish: if the SD card is not formatted ext4 then you can't make it work.
[15:07] <teward> at least, not easily
[15:07] <pmish> thanks for the quick reply, let me check
[15:07]  * pmish is a novice linux user (hurray..)
[15:08] <pmish> okay, so i flashed lubuntu onto the sd
[15:08] <pmish> it is ext4 yes
[15:08] <pmish> then i have the rest of the free space on the sd as an additional partition where i store everything
[17:41] <Chicken_Wrap> Hello.
[17:41] <wxl> interesting nick, Chicken_Wrap
[17:42] <tsimonq2> ^ +1
[17:42] <Chicken_Wrap> The tastiest nick in all of nickdom.
[17:42] <tsimonq2> XD
[18:38] <cooloutac> anyone know how to get busy mouse cursor to show when lauching app from desktop?
[18:39] <holstein> cooloutac: i dont understand that question
[18:39] <vikingredwolf> only apps who has the "launch information" do that
[18:39] <vikingredwolf> and that depends of the app itself and the .desktop file
[18:39] <cooloutac> vikingredwolf: i'm not sure what you mean?
[18:39] <holstein> cooloutac: you want an animated cursor? that, while an app is launching? you have something like an animation indicating the program is loading?
[18:39] <cooloutac> i added the command in every .desktop file but it still doesn't work
[18:40] <cooloutac> holstein: ya
[18:40] <vikingredwolf> in Gnome it happens because of a daemon
[18:40] <vikingredwolf> or in KDE
[18:40] <cooloutac> when i was using fedora lxde it worked, not sure why not in lubuntu
[18:40] <holstein> cooloutac: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2108908 is where i started
[18:41] <holstein> cooloutac: you can ask in the fedora team how they implement that in lxde, and, it will be the same in this lxde..
[18:41] <vikingredwolf> it seems it's happening to some people : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2214106
[18:42] <cooloutac> ya its not the theme,  its not the .desktop files...hmm
[18:42] <vikingredwolf> odd
[18:43] <cooloutac> i wonder if there is a fedora lxde roo
[18:44] <cooloutac> *room
[18:44] <leszek> maybe fedora just starts that gnome daemon in the background
[18:44] <leszek> thats what I suspect though I did not try it
[18:44] <vikingredwolf> I think it's "inside" gdm, but I'm not sure
[18:45] <holstein> and, a lot of changes are happening there.. or, *not* happening there, since, changes are just happening upstream
[18:45] <holstein> could be, fedora is just using a newer version of something.. gtk related, or lxde its self.. etc
[18:48] <cooloutac> hmm
[18:49] <vikingredwolf> and "we" are going to another direction. dropping some gtk elements.
[18:49] <cooloutac> how come?
[18:49] <holstein> lxqt.. who knows..
[18:49] <vikingredwolf> We're heading to a complete Qt desktop
[18:50] <holstein> things are changin.. ^
[18:50] <vikingredwolf> yup
[18:50] <cooloutac> hope it still works on my old system
[18:50] <holstein> lubuntu 14.04 is an LTS
[18:50] <cooloutac> i switched from fedora lxde cause it starting causing problems
[18:50] <vikingredwolf> tis
[18:51] <holstein> you mean, you switched to lxde desktop from some other desktop?
[18:51] <cooloutac> started getting erros with the newer kernels,   getting freezes
[18:51] <cooloutac> holstein: no i switched from fedora lxde to lubuntu
[18:51] <vikingredwolf> in Fedora?
[18:51] <holstein> well, the kernel is just that.. likely, some newer kernel that your hardware does not support
[18:52] <vikingredwolf> supposedly new kernels add more support
[18:52] <cooloutac> ya well 4.1 kerne;ls have failed to find device cpu 0 message at boot
[18:52] <holstein> sure.. but, for *newer* hardware :)
[18:52] <cooloutac> i was told to ignore it,  but i started getting other issues as well,  said the heck with this and installed lubuntu instead
[18:52] <holstein> but, nothing is preventing the creators of any hardware from supporting the kernel.. or, releasing modules for any kernel.. etc
[18:53] <holstein> cooloutac: which, is cool.. and, im certainly glad you are here, and enjoying it. but, im just postulating a plausible scenario.. where, the newer kernel versions in fedora were not supported by your hardware well. rather than, its just a fedora vs ubuntu issue
[18:54] <cooloutac> holstein: does it matter?
[18:54] <cooloutac> it shows their development makes no sense
[18:54] <holstein> cooloutac: sure.. it matters, since, you are trying to provice support for it, and the creators of the hardware are not.. its very important to know why things are happening, and how you are going to deal with it
[18:55] <cooloutac> lxde for me is for older hardware
[18:55] <holstein> sure.. and im not even addressing the desktop.. im removing it from the equation.. you can use whatever desktop you like, but, if the kernel is having issues being supported, that wont matter..
[18:56] <cooloutac> holstein:  i think i remembe your name now,  i remember now why i don't like you lmao
[18:57] <holstein> cooloutac: you dont "like" me? anyways.. im only here to provide volunteer support, and help provide factual assistance.
[18:57] <cooloutac> holstein: so what are you trying to say,  that pretty soon ubuntu is going to have 4.1 kernel and i will have same issues?
[18:58] <cooloutac> I guess i will just have to wait and see,  rather then just "postulate"  lmao
[18:58] <holstein> cooloutac: im saying, if the kernel drops support for something your hardware needs, then, yes.. when you get the same kernel in ubuntu, you will have the same issues.. and its not constructive to assume its related to LXDE, or fedora
[18:58] <holstein> since, the kernel is the kernel..
[18:58] <cooloutac> you guys don't even have the busy mouse cursor when lauching apps in your desktop,   you don't even have pulseaudio,   i'd have to imagine you and fedora are worlds apart
[18:58] <cooloutac> and i think your "postulating" is useless
[18:59] <cooloutac> theories are for nerds,   i will wait and see what happens with my own eyes,  because there is probably a 50% chance yours is meaningless
[18:59] <cooloutac> I mean I am not assuming all the issues i was having on the latest fedora are because of the kernel even
[19:00] <cooloutac> i just gave you one example
[19:00] <holstein> sure. its just that, you *have* a theory.. and im saying, it may be something where, when the kernel versions are the same, you will may see the same issues
[19:00] <cooloutac> stop your postulating already and help me figure out how to make the mouse cursor show when a program is laucnhying is all i fkn asked!!!
[19:00] <holstein> anyways.. 14.04 is an LTS
[19:00] <cooloutac> holstein: ok thats nice,  i don't give a fk about that either
[19:00] <cooloutac> jesus christ!
[19:01] <holstein> cooloutac: sure, friend.. ask the  fedora team how they implement that feature in lxde.. you can likely just drop it in, no compatibility issues
[19:01] <cooloutac> ask the fedora team is your answer hahah
[19:01] <cooloutac> ...
[19:01] <holstein> cooloutac: correct.. that is still what i think is the shortest path to how to get that going..
[19:01] <cooloutac> i'd rather you just said that you have no fkn clue and stopped talking after that....
[19:02] <holstein> hey, maybe you can just look at the config in the fedora live iso..
[19:02] <cooloutac> holstein: stop talking to me dude
[19:02] <holstein> cooloutac: no problem.. good luck, and keep in mind, you can use #ubuntu for general issues, as, it is typically quite slow in here.. cheers, and good luck
[19:03] <cooloutac> i never got such terrible advice from anyone before lol
[19:03] <cooloutac> sometimes its best to admit when you don't know
[19:03] <cooloutac> noone wants to hear you talk
[19:04] <holstein> !ot | cooloutac
[19:04] <cooloutac> holstein: you got issues dude
[19:04] <cooloutac> one of those nerds that comes on freenode to make himself feel smarter,  and doesn't really help anybody
[19:05] <krytarik> cooloutac: Please stop this now.
[19:05] <holstein> cooloutac: please join me in the appropriate channel.. im fine letting this go right here, but, we need to keep the channel clear. thanks..
[19:05] <cooloutac> holstein: can you stop fkn talking to me already!!!
[19:06] <krytarik> !language | cooloutac
[19:07] <cooloutac> i'm ready to install fedora lxde iso again and just wait for the 4.2 kernel.   since holstein says i'm going to get fkd soon on lubuntu anyways haha
[19:07] <cooloutac> i mean i had to change default theme just so the lib notify bubble didn't look glitched,  it was embarrassing
[19:08] <cooloutac> i thought maybe lubuntu project was actually abandoned or something cause i don't know how that is ok'd lol
[19:09] <holstein> there is testing going on, right now.. for the upcoming 15.10 release.. also, filing bugs can be helpful to let folks know what you are finding that is not meeting your needs..
[19:10] <cooloutac> yes i've been adding the "me too"  for all these bugs
[19:10] <holstein> thats a big help, actually.. these are changing times, though.. for lxde generally.. its a challenge for the smaller teams to keep up, for sure
[19:11] <cooloutac> i ahve a feeling its not for the better
[19:11] <cooloutac> only reason to use lxde is for an older system
[19:11] <cooloutac> if I wanted to pretend i'm using something ligthweight that really isn't i could juse use xfce
[19:11] <holstein> well, that can be the only reason you choose to.. but, folks actually like it becuase its light, and less clutter.. etc.. not only for older systems..
[19:12] <cooloutac> i'm sure my reason is the reason 90% of the people choose it
[19:12] <cooloutac> if your bored and want something to do,  go fk up xfce
[19:12] <cooloutac> it seems like this no busy cursor on lubuntu has been a problem for years
[19:12] <cooloutac> i see people comoplaining about it in 2012 and up
[19:13] <cooloutac> i mean its a huge problem since lubuntu is used mostly for older systems,  and when i got the kids and my parents clicking too manyt imes
[19:13] <cooloutac> and yes i added the me too the bug report,   something that hasn't got fixed in 4 years
[19:13] <holstein> the gnome tool doenst work for you?
[19:14] <cooloutac> gnome tool?
[19:14] <holstein> 14:40 < vikingredwolf> in Gnome it happens because of a daemon
[19:14] <cooloutac> can you explain?
[19:14] <cooloutac> what is it I'm supposed to do?
[19:15] <cooloutac> better yet please don't talk to me
[19:15] <cooloutac> I think i'd be better off ignoring all your advice, sorry
[19:16] <TheSchaf> sounds like a good plan, go to a help channel, ask for advice and then ignore all the advice :D
[19:16] <cooloutac> TheSchaf: if you wanan give me some that'd be great
[19:16] <cooloutac> but holstein doesn't actually give advice,  he just likes to hear himself postulate
[19:16] <cooloutac> he is lost in the clouds like most of these freenode nerds,  I don't need that shit today
[19:16] <holstein> cooloutac: its good advice from vikingredwolf , actually.. if you want to try and provide a busy curor, i would try it.. otherwise, /join the OT channel for discussion..
[19:17] <cooloutac> fucking try what????
[19:17] <cooloutac> you are not sayign anything
[19:17] <iynque> :/
[19:17] <cooloutac> are you telling to me to install something called "gnome tools"
[19:17] <cooloutac> and if so then wtf do I do with it?
[19:17] <cooloutac> the fact you are suggesting that,  probably means its fkn nonsense
[19:17] <holstein> cooloutac: im trying to calm this down, a notch.. please, watch the language in the channel..
[19:18] <cooloutac> holstein: get lost dude
[19:18] <cooloutac> 4 years people have been asking how to do this
[19:18] <cooloutac> and not one fkn answer online
[19:18] <cooloutac> and I'm supposed to listen to the guy that only wants to postulate to himself about unrealted shit?
[19:18] <Unit193> cooloutac: No cussing (even leaving out a letter) please.
[19:18] <cooloutac> this project is a failure
[19:19] <cooloutac> i'm gonna have to go back to fedora lxde
[19:19] <Unit193> Sure, have fun.
[19:19] <cooloutac> pretty soon lxde will be deprecated it looks like
[19:19] <holstein> cooloutac: cheers! we'll be here, if you need assistance..
[19:19] <cooloutac> you will be able to wipe your ass with your "qt" version
[19:19] <cooloutac> lol
[19:19] <holstein> there are a lot of changes coming..
[19:19] <wxl> do not feed the trolls, folks
[19:20] <holstein> well, it did trail from trolling to support question..
[19:20] <wxl> → offtopic
[19:42] <Chicken_Wrap> Hey, I'm having a problem with the live version of Lubuntu. When I add files to the desktop, they sometimes do not show up at all, so I have to restart the desktop. Does anybody have any ideas on how to fix it?
[19:44] <Chicken_Wrap> Also, I know for a fact that they are actually (because ls) THERE, but they just won't show on 'graphically'.
[19:45] <Chicken_Wrap> *up.
[19:53] <leszek> Chicken_Wrap: pressing f5 should refresh the desktop
[19:54] <Chicken_Wrap> leszek: I've tried that. No luck.
[19:54] <leszek> fam or gamin should be installed which autorefresh this normally. Though it might be a bug somewhere else
[19:54] <leszek> running 14.04 I don't have any problem so far
[19:55] <Chicken_Wrap> It's been installed to your HDD?
[19:55] <leszek> SSD
[19:55] <Chicken_Wrap> That works too.
[21:28] <Chicken_Wrap> #join #lubuntu-offtopi
[22:41] <rytomi> Can anyone help me install a video driver to Lubuntu?
[22:45] <Kamilion> nvidia or amd catalyst?
[22:45] <rytomi> Niether. It's a VIA chipset. They provide the drive for Lubuntu 15.04, but I can't seem to get it to install I think I'm missing something.
[22:47] <rytomi> If you want to take a look, you can download from here: http://linux.via.com.tw/support/downloadFiles.action
[22:47] <rytomi> I have the VX900 chipset.
[22:49] <rytomi> The Make.log has Error 2 at the end.
[22:52] <rytomi> No one?
[22:57] <rytomi> Ok.... guess no Lubuntu for me :(
[22:59] <iynque> :/
[22:59] <krytarik> rytomi: Why do you think you need it then?