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| flexiondotorg | ogra_, Does the linux-raspi2 kernel also provide the bootloader? | 08:07 |
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| ogra_ | nope | 08:07 |
| flexiondotorg | OK, where does Snappy get that from then? | 08:07 |
| ogra_ | from the oem snap | 08:08 |
| ogra_ | (soon to be renamed to gadget snap) | 08:08 |
| flexiondotorg | Right, so this is a snap tool that provides the required device specific "stuff"? | 08:09 |
| ogra_ | no, its a snap developer who does :) | 08:09 |
| flexiondotorg | So, I know practically nothing about Snappy. | 08:09 |
| ogra_ | there is no tool beyond "snappy build" to finally assemble the snap from a tree of binaries | 08:10 |
| flexiondotorg | I'm not doing Snappy for Ubuntu MATE (yet). | 08:10 |
| flexiondotorg | I know how to put the boot loader etc in the right places and have debs for that. | 08:10 |
| ogra_ | yeah, you probably dont want to yet | 08:10 |
| flexiondotorg | But I'm interested to understand the mechanis for this with snappy. | 08:10 |
| ogra_ | for snappy you need to try to think out of debs and closer to upstream | 08:11 |
| flexiondotorg | ogra_, Yeah I've been told to not adopt snappy just yet. | 08:11 |
| flexiondotorg | Before :-) | 08:11 |
| flexiondotorg | ogra_, I understand the concept of snappy, just not how a snappy OS if created. | 08:11 |
| flexiondotorg | but, I've got my answer. | 08:11 |
| ogra_ | a snap is just a collection of binaries and glue between them, how these binaries are produced is up to the person making the snap | 08:11 |
| flexiondotorg | I can used the linux-raspi2 kernel (when available) and I'll have to provide the bootloader, firmware and GPU drivers myself. | 08:12 |
| ogra_ | right | 08:12 |
| flexiondotorg | ogra_, So the snap binaries. | 08:12 |
| flexiondotorg | This is a prebuilt OS for different architectures? | 08:12 |
| ogra_ | we might focus on getting the free graphics driver to work | 08:13 |
| flexiondotorg | A generic rootfs, if you will? | 08:13 |
| ogra_ | so this might end up in the archive proper | 08:13 |
| flexiondotorg | ogra_, OK cool. | 08:13 |
| ogra_ | the snappy OS is similar to the phone today ... | 08:13 |
| flexiondotorg | ogra_, The is also the fbturbo driver that is 2D accelerated for Pi2. | 08:13 |
| flexiondotorg | ogra_, Understood. | 08:14 |
| ogra_ | you have a generic rootfs and a device tarball that carries all device specific bits | 08:14 |
| flexiondotorg | And can I create my own "device tarball"? | 08:14 |
| ogra_ | the oem snp from above describes that combo and ships everything necessary to boot | 08:14 |
| flexiondotorg | ogra_, BTW, thanks for answering all these questions. | 08:14 |
| ogra_ | np :) | 08:14 |
| flexiondotorg | ogra_, OK, thanks. | 08:14 |
| flexiondotorg | After 15.10 I think I'm going to spend to first couple of week into 16.04 playing with snappy. | 08:15 |
| ogra_ | the oem snap can also describe what app snaps you have preinstalled ... and even potentially ship default confis for them | 08:15 |
| flexiondotorg | ogra_, Am I right that snappy is not suited for graphical applications right now? | 08:15 |
| ogra_ | so it is very easy to build an appliance for example | 08:15 |
| ogra_ | there is some Mir demo snap for amd64 i think, so it is "a little" suited :) | 08:16 |
| flexiondotorg | OK | 08:16 |
| ogra_ | but far from ready for general use | 08:16 |
| flexiondotorg | Xmir? | 08:16 |
| ogra_ | not sure if it includes Xmir | 08:16 |
| flexiondotorg | OK | 08:16 |
| flexiondotorg | Finally, app snaps. | 08:16 |
| flexiondotorg | Are these discrete apps that can have inter apps dependencies or are they everything you need for a full stack app? | 08:17 |
| flexiondotorg | More precisely. | 08:17 |
| ogra_ | well, imagine them as "metapackage on steroids" | 08:17 |
| ogra_ | or "project packages" | 08:17 |
| flexiondotorg | If I wanted to make a snap of Discourse, would everything required by Discourse be in a single app snap? | 08:18 |
| flexiondotorg | Like I do it with Docker now. | 08:18 |
| ogra_ | i.e. i'm currently packaging a mailserver snap ... that consistes of dovecot, postfix, spamassasin and the bits needed to make them work together | 08:18 |
| flexiondotorg | Ok, understood. | 08:18 |
| flexiondotorg | So, in the future, if I wanted to make Snappy MATE the whole desktop and all compoents applications would be a single app snap? | 08:19 |
| ogra_ | yeah ... plus application snaps | 08:19 |
| flexiondotorg | So, MATE desktop would be one snap. Firefox another. LibreOffice another and so on? | 08:20 |
| ogra_ | i.e the whole basic desktop would be one single one ... and then you have a libreoffice and a firefox snap on top | 08:20 |
| ogra_ | heh | 08:20 |
| flexiondotorg | Exactly. | 08:20 |
| flexiondotorg | Cool. | 08:20 |
| ogra_ | *snap* | 08:20 |
| ogra_ | :) | 08:20 |
| flexiondotorg | :-D | 08:20 |
| flexiondotorg | In 10 minutes you taught me everything I needed to know. | 08:20 |
| ogra_ | haha | 08:21 |
| ogra_ | there is also #snappy btw :) | 08:21 |
| flexiondotorg | OOh. | 08:21 |
| flexiondotorg | And joined. Thanks. | 08:21 |
| ogra_ | and very newly we have snapcraft ... a tool that makes building snaps easy enough my mom coould do it ;) | 08:21 |
| ogra_ | well, probably not my mom :) | 08:22 |
| flexiondotorg | For building app snaps? | 08:22 |
| ogra_ | but yu dont need big skills with it | 08:22 |
| ogra_ | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/ircproxy/files | 08:22 |
| flexiondotorg | ogra_, Reading that now. You should use ZNC ;-) | 08:23 |
| ogra_ | all you need is the snapcraft.yaml ... the rest is fully automatic (the other bits there are just glue) | 08:23 |
| flexiondotorg | Coolness. | 08:23 |
| ogra_ | yo go into the dir with the snapcraft.yaml ... call snapcraft and out comes a snap | 08:23 |
| flexiondotorg | stage-packages being debs? | 08:24 |
| ogra_ | and if you upload your branch to LP there is a single button "build snap" that does the same and even uploads it to the store for you | 08:24 |
| ogra_ | right | 08:24 |
| ogra_ | but they could also be a github branch | 08:24 |
| flexiondotorg | Oh man. That is brilliant. | 08:24 |
| ogra_ | that would then get automatically built | 08:24 |
| ogra_ | or some other upstream centric thing ... | 08:25 |
| flexiondotorg | Is that LP button in there now or coming? | 08:25 |
| ogra_ | its in there right now | 08:25 |
| flexiondotorg | OK, getting distracted from my 15.10 beta 2 testing now. | 08:25 |
| flexiondotorg | So want to play with that. | 08:25 |
| ogra_ | haha | 08:25 |
| flexiondotorg | Must resist. | 08:25 |
| flexiondotorg | Thank you. | 08:25 |
| ogra_ | yeah, finish your beta :) | 08:25 |
| flexiondotorg | That has totally sold me on the idea. | 08:26 |
| flexiondotorg | I'll be playing with Snappy after I've got 15.10 out the door. | 08:26 |
| flexiondotorg | Many thanks. | 08:26 |
| ogra_ | if you have questions (you surely will) ask in #snappy :) | 08:26 |
| flexiondotorg | Will do. | 08:27 |
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