| * TheMuso returns. | 00:18 | |
| andyrock | good night all | 02:07 |
|---|---|---|
| Trevinho | 'night (or morning) all | 03:05 |
| duflu | Trevinho: Heh. Night | 03:07 |
| duflu | (morning) | 03:07 |
| duflu | and soon afternoon | 03:07 |
| Trevinho | :-) | 03:07 |
| === thumper is now known as thumper-afk | ||
| robert_ancell | bye all | 04:56 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:06 |
| TheMuso | Hey didrocks. Feeling better today? | 05:09 |
| didrocks | TheMuso: not really, woke up at 2am and couldn't sleep again until 4… | 05:14 |
| didrocks | TheMuso: thanks for asking though :) | 05:14 |
| didrocks | nothing really worrying, it's just a cold, but enough to feel uneasy | 05:14 |
| TheMuso | didrocks: Yeah, I know. | 05:15 |
| pitti | Good morning | 05:20 |
| didrocks | hey pitti! | 05:22 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks ! | 05:22 |
| hikiko | hello all | 05:30 |
| didrocks | hey hikiko | 05:33 |
| Sweet5hark | goood morning (from mission: at conference)! | 06:01 |
| didrocks | hey Sweet5hark | 06:07 |
| Sweet5hark | didrocks: heya. | 06:08 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers! | 06:40 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 | 06:41 |
| Sweet5hark | seb128: heya | 06:41 |
| seb128 | re didrocks :-) | 06:41 |
| seb128 | hey Sweet5hark | 06:41 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 ! | 06:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey, wie gehts? | 06:45 |
| pitti | seb128: gut, danke! | 06:45 |
| pitti | seb128: a bit tired, two hours of Badminton on Tue and two hours of Basketball last night take some toll :) | 06:45 |
| pitti | but it was great | 06:45 |
| seb128 | :-) | 06:45 |
| seb128 | I had 3 hours of tennis yesterday, feeling a bit tired as well today | 06:46 |
| pitti | seb128: 3! wow | 06:47 |
| seb128 | yeah, it was fun ;-) | 06:47 |
| seb128 | they do mixed groups on wednesday evening, anyone can show up and they and each hours there is a round where you play with different people | 06:48 |
| seb128 | -and they | 06:49 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, that's fun! so you don't adjust too much to only one or two players | 06:49 |
| seb128 | right | 06:49 |
| seb128 | it's also often doubles | 06:49 |
| seb128 | depending of the number of people showing up | 06:49 |
| seb128 | great fun ;-) | 06:49 |
| seb128 | I often do two rounds but I stayed for a third one yesterday | 06:50 |
| * pitti -> allergy shot, bbl | 06:54 | |
| pitti | re; ironically, the doctor is ill | 07:02 |
| didrocks | ah :p | 07:03 |
| seb128 | seems like you didn't have to go far at least | 07:03 |
| pitti | no, just 2 mins walking | 07:04 |
| willcooke | ahoy | 07:12 |
| seb128 | hey willcooke | 07:13 |
| TheMuso | Hey willcooke. :) | 07:13 |
| didrocks | morning willcooke | 07:15 |
| === maclin1 is now known as maclin | ||
| larsu | good morning! | 07:29 |
| larsu | *yawn* | 07:29 |
| willcooke | hey larsu, seb128, TheMuso, didrocks | 07:31 |
| didrocks | morning larsu | 07:31 |
| seb128 | hey larsu TheMuso | 07:31 |
| larsu | hehe that was quick | 07:32 |
| Laney | hi ;-) (-; | 08:02 |
| larsu | morning Laney! | 08:03 |
| Laney | yay | 08:03 |
| Laney | it's larsu! | 08:03 |
| pitti | hey Laney! | 08:03 |
| didrocks | hey hey Laney | 08:03 |
| larsu | hey hey hey Laney | 08:04 |
| Laney | oh it just gets better and better | 08:04 |
| Laney | hey pitti and didrocks | 08:04 |
| larsu | you just broke the chain :/ | 08:04 |
| Laney | forget that | 08:04 |
| Laney | i'm too happy to see everyone | 08:04 |
| larsu | awesome :) | 08:04 |
| Laney | even in textual form | 08:04 |
| Laney | what's up? | 08:04 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? | 08:05 |
| larsu | not much. Drinkning tea after a night drinking a lot of beer | 08:05 |
| larsu | *drinking even | 08:05 |
| Laney | larsu: pink killer? | 08:06 |
| Laney | seb128: MAN, YOU AS WELL | 08:06 |
| larsu | nah, good old flensburger | 08:06 |
| seb128 | Laney, stop shouting, larsu has an hangover! | 08:07 |
| larsu | hehe | 08:07 |
| larsu | not really | 08:07 |
| larsu | it wasn't *that* much | 08:07 |
| * pitti hands larsu some Gurken | 08:08 | |
| Trevinho | morning... | 08:12 |
| larsu | pitti: danke und gtuen morgen :) | 08:12 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, hey :-) | 08:12 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 08:12 |
| didrocks | larsu: so, you drink, and I'm the sick guy, unfair! | 08:12 |
| didrocks | hey Trevinho | 08:12 |
| larsu | didrocks: get better! | 08:13 |
| larsu | NOW | 08:13 |
| didrocks | if only things were so simple | 08:13 |
| pitti | didrocks: argh, cold caught you after all? :-( | 08:13 |
| Trevinho | A bit tired, but ok (last night I closed my editor at 5 :-P) | 08:14 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah, I didn't resist Julie's microbes… | 08:14 |
| didrocks | pitti: but of course *she* now feels really well… | 08:14 |
| pitti | bah | 08:14 |
| pitti | didrocks: you're supposed to not resist *her*, not her microbes | 08:14 |
| didrocks | ;) | 08:14 |
| * pitti hugs didrocks | 08:14 | |
| * didrocks hugs pitti back | 08:15 | |
| pitti | didrocks: some guy at basketball had a cold as well yesterday, I hope I did't catch it | 08:15 |
| pitti | otherwise I'll bring the ubuflu to Budapest | 08:15 |
| didrocks | pitti: argh, yeah, keep strong then to not be patient 0 :) | 08:15 |
| * Laney watched Cordon a few weeks ago | 08:17 | |
| Laney | that was a fun series | 08:17 |
| Laney | (speaking of patient 0...) | 08:17 |
| pitti | I don't get the reference | 08:17 |
| pitti | but only ~ 8 more OITNB episodes, afterwards I need a new series; is that a good one? | 08:17 |
| Laney | It's about the outbreak of a virus :) | 08:19 |
| Laney | yeah, it's not too deep but still quite fun | 08:19 |
| pitti | ah, not on netflix | 08:20 |
| Laney | the BBC was showing it | 08:21 |
| Laney | even though it from Belgium | 08:21 |
| * TheMuso -> EOD. Goodnight folks. | 08:22 | |
| Laney | I guess they started looking for non-English series to buy after the Killing proved so popular | 08:22 |
| Laney | bye TheMuso! | 08:22 |
| willcooke | g'night TheMuso | 08:22 |
| didrocks | see you TheMuso | 08:23 |
| seb128 | davidcalle, looks like the fix from https://code.launchpad.net/~submarine/unity-scope-zotero/trunk never landed in Ubuntu, do you think you can get that uploaded? | 08:23 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, stop working so late! or sleep longer next day ;-) | 08:24 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, what did you hack on all night? | 08:24 |
| davidcalle | seb128, what year is it? | 08:24 |
| davidcalle | :-) | 08:25 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:25 |
| seb128 | davidcalle, I saw it when reviewing bugs with patches | 08:25 |
| Trevinho | seb128: the more I work in the scrollbars, the more issues I find... | 08:25 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, :-( | 08:25 |
| Trevinho | seb128: I'm more focused when I've the long night for me ... | 08:26 |
| Trevinho | And if something blocks me.... Then I just can't stop | 08:26 |
| seb128 | typical hacker behaviour ;-) | 08:26 |
| davidcalle | seb128, thanks, I'll look into demoting that package from the distro asap ;-) | 08:26 |
| seb128 | davidcalle, wfm, less code to maintain! | 08:26 |
| Trevinho | Sort of ;-) | 08:27 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, willcooke, do we expect the scrollbar changes to land for wily? we probably need ffe/uife for that | 08:27 |
| davidcalle | seb128, more seriously, I don't even know if it still works, the maintainer has lost interest, I'll see what I can do about that | 08:27 |
| Trevinho | seb128: in terms of UI nothing changes for the screenshots or... Anything docs related | 08:28 |
| seb128 | davidcalle, it's really a minor detail, unsure if anyone use that service, I just mentioned it because if we ship it we can as well have it to work | 08:28 |
| davidcalle | seb128, indeed | 08:28 |
| Trevinho | But as you prefer | 08:28 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, well, it does, we don't have overlay scroll thumbs anymore, right? | 08:28 |
| seb128 | well, I prefer less work | 08:29 |
| seb128 | maybe Laney has an opinion | 08:29 |
| Laney | "the more issues I find" sounds worrying to slide in late :) | 08:29 |
| seb128 | Laney, do you think the scrollbar change in unity is a ffe? | 08:29 |
| davidcalle | willcooke, I'll send you a mail soon about old python scopes we still ship and should kill :) | 08:29 |
| willcooke | davidcalle, nice, that ties in with something I was going to talk to seb128 about | 08:29 |
| willcooke | :) | 08:29 |
| Trevinho | seb128: Yes, but that's only shown in mouse over and I don't think anyone used those for docs, but we can ask an UI fe | 08:29 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, yeah, we'll need a UI FE | 08:30 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, well, it's more the ffe, as Laney said, if it's non trivial code change and has potential to create issues it needs a risk/benefit evaluation | 08:30 |
| Trevinho | Laney: not in the new code, but issues that are alredy there for years | 08:30 |
| Laney | well... | 08:31 |
| Laney | I don't think it's really bad to ride the time based release cycle instead of pushing risky things through the freeze | 08:31 |
| Laney | but if you think it will have 0 new bugs then file the request and see what happens | 08:32 |
| * didrocks is fighting our jenkins tests system again… | 08:33 | |
| hikiko | Trevinho, Trevinho Trevinho ping! | 08:33 |
| hikiko | #ubuntukylin-devel | 08:33 |
| willcooke | We need to decide which is better: New OSB in some/most apps and old OSB in the dash but we know it's status vs same OSB in dash and apps and the risk therein | 08:34 |
| willcooke | Personally, I think having different OSB in the dash vs apps is worth a FFE to fix | 08:35 |
| Trevinho | Laney: I don't think there are new bugs... It's just that there were bugs inside nux or the dash, that we just ignored till now... And since I'm there I don't want to leave them around | 08:35 |
| didrocks | willcooke: +1, but then, we need to evaluate the risk (but yeah, we already have enough inconsistency in that area to not add more) | 08:36 |
| Trevinho | I guess you could evaluate the code, it's actually a simplification of things | 08:37 |
| Laney | The procedure is that you file the bug and make your arguments in there | 08:38 |
| Laney | You might want to get a PPA which other people can try too | 08:39 |
| Trevinho | Laney: yeah, as always... | 08:41 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1446081 has a 1 liner patch to use GTK_ICON_LOOKUP_FORCE_SIZE, could you review it? | 08:55 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1446081 in unity (Ubuntu) "Incorrect scaling of launcher icons" [Medium,Confirmed] | 08:55 |
| Trevinho | seb128: ok | 08:58 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, thanks | 08:58 |
| Trevinho | I'll check that after the meeting with kylin | 08:58 |
| === maclin1 is now known as maclin | ||
| attente | hi | 09:27 |
| Laney | attente: !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? | 09:27 |
| larsu | attente: err... | 09:27 |
| larsu | insomnia? | 09:27 |
| Laney | working early | 09:28 |
| Laney | in order to go out bouldering in the afternoon | 09:28 |
| Laney | yes? | 09:28 |
| attente | yup! | 09:28 |
| Laney | \o/ | 09:28 |
| attente | to both maybe... | 09:28 |
| seb128 | hey attente | 09:29 |
| larsu | attente: morning! | 09:29 |
| happyaron | attente: morning | 09:30 |
| attente | good morning guys :) | 09:30 |
| didrocks | morning attente ;) | 09:30 |
| didrocks | hey happyaron, you around! :) | 09:30 |
| seb128 | attente, seems there is a patch on bug #1226962 , do you know if that's still an issue/maybe you could have a look to the change to see if it makes sense? | 09:31 |
| ubot5 | bug 1226962 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Hotkeys not functional in non-latin keyboard layout" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226962 | 09:31 |
| attente | seb128: sure, i think one of those is from the ppa that we couldn't add to archive because holding shift would change the layout back if the switching shortcut used shift | 09:36 |
| seb128 | attente, oh, ok | 09:36 |
| willcooke | morning attente | 09:45 |
| Trevinho | larsu: as per bug 1446081, do you think we should always use GTK_ICON_LOOKUP_FORCE_SIZE in unity? As we currently do it in /some/ places... While it seems that it changed its behavior recently | 10:05 |
| ubot5 | bug 1446081 in unity (Ubuntu) "Incorrect scaling of launcher icons" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1446081 | 10:05 |
| larsu | going for lunch with my sister in mitte, might be gone for a bit longer than usual | 10:05 |
| larsu | Trevinho: sorry about the timing. I'll have look when I'm back | 10:05 |
| Laney | Trevinho: have you noticed that d-feet's icon in the dash is weird? | 10:05 |
| Laney | you get the top left quarter or so | 10:06 |
| Trevinho | Laney: yeah, no worries | 10:06 |
| Laney | HA | 10:06 |
| Trevinho | Laney: it might be the same thing | 10:06 |
| Trevinho | Laney: we use it /somewhere/ | 10:06 |
| larsu | Trevinho: short answer: we should for application icons | 10:06 |
| larsu | and fix the theme for others | 10:06 |
| Laney | actually this only happens on my laptop but not desktop | 10:06 |
| Laney | weird | 10:06 |
| Trevinho | larsu: even for indicators? | 10:06 |
| Trevinho | Laney: your laptop is lying | 10:06 |
| Laney | clearly | 10:07 |
| larsu | Trevinho: indicators have app icons as well (messaging menu, sound) | 10:07 |
| Trevinho | ok, ok | 10:07 |
| * Trevinho puts it everywhere | 10:07 | |
| Trevinho | So normal behavior is now that we try to get the icon with size that is closer to the one we requested, right? | 10:07 |
| Trevinho | (by using lookup with size) | 10:08 |
| Trevinho | Laney: my d-feet is fine, though | 10:08 |
| Laney | WOAH gnome-screenshot crashed | 10:09 |
| seb128 | Laney, d-feet is fine here, your laptop is hidpi/use scaling? | 10:09 |
| Laney | ye | 10:10 |
| Trevinho | Laney: 2x? | 10:10 |
| seb128 | maybe has to do with it? | 10:10 |
| Laney | 2× indeed | 10:10 |
| * Trevinho adds that | 10:10 | |
| Trevinho | Laney: ok, that triggers it | 10:12 |
| Laney | if this same fix doesn't resolve it then I'll file a bug | 10:16 |
| Laney | not that urgent, I only notice it on d-feet | 10:16 |
| Trevinho | Laney: I guess it's a different thing | 10:16 |
| Trevinho | Laney: yeah, but it's caused by something else, so I'd like to know what | 10:17 |
| Trevinho | probably because gtk image use scaling for loading them... | 10:17 |
| Trevinho | while we do that by ourselves | 10:17 |
| Laney | if you right click it then the icon is correct there | 10:17 |
| Trevinho | like... load_at_scale... | 10:17 |
| Trevinho | yep, I saw it | 10:17 |
| Laney | alright, I'll file it, just for you :) | 10:18 |
| Trevinho | :) | 10:19 |
| * Trevinho opened unity at 2x in his non-hdpi monitor... and well, wow... How nice it is!?! | 10:20 | |
| Trevinho | You should give a try to 4x to see the same thing :D | 10:20 |
| Trevinho | in dash we've just low quality "arrows", but they should be fixed soon | 10:21 |
| Trevinho | Laney: we've the same also with Trusty's gtk/gio... And, can you scroll your full app list to see if you see something else? | 10:24 |
| Trevinho | (that's the only one for me) | 10:25 |
| Laney | seems to be d-feet only | 10:25 |
| hikiko | https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1498712 look at all these bugs we don't have enough time to fix... :) willcooke Trevinho I guess that's important too isn't it? (accessibility + we have wrong position calculations when the desktop is transformed, in this case zoomed) | 10:35 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1498712 in Compiz "Screenshot while zoom grab different area" [High,Confirmed] | 10:35 |
| hikiko | I think the offset has the size of the scaled decoration from a first quick look | 10:36 |
| happyaron | hikiko: maybe it's something good to have Kylin people involved on those bugs, too | 10:36 |
| hikiko | yes :) if you could help in any way that would be great happyaron ! many thanks! | 10:37 |
| happyaron | hikiko: I saw the meeting with them was canceled, would be nice to raise it in next one | 10:38 |
| hikiko | sure happyaron :) will do! | 10:38 |
| willcooke | hikiko, that bug... I think it's worth putting on the list, but low priority | 10:39 |
| hikiko | ok willcooke changed to low | 10:44 |
| hikiko | oh noes... | 10:45 |
| hikiko | willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1102024 | 10:45 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1102024 in compiz (Ubuntu) "[regression] Restoring a maximized Gnome Terminal window with keybinding fails to restore the original geometry" [Medium,Triaged] | 10:45 |
| hikiko | our window ordering... seems to be wrong | 10:45 |
| hikiko | if I open gimp | 10:45 |
| hikiko | (with toolbox) | 10:46 |
| hikiko | and then press the ctrl+super+up/down as he says | 10:46 |
| hikiko | the toolbox is on top of the maximized window | 10:46 |
| willcooke | terminal works fine for me | 10:46 |
| willcooke | lemme try gimp | 10:46 |
| Trevinho | happyaron: hey, we cancelled the next meeting because they told me there's a big national holiday during that time, not the next ones... | 10:47 |
| Trevinho | happyaron: I mentioned about that also in the past meetings, but they're quite busy in doing new stuff now, so I hope they'll find time for bugs as well | 10:47 |
| hikiko | it's because you don't have many win per application willcooke | 10:48 |
| hikiko | gimp has 3 windows | 10:48 |
| hikiko | and doesn't work well with gnome terminal :/ | 10:48 |
| willcooke | bug report says terminal | 10:48 |
| willcooke | works fine for me | 10:48 |
| willcooke | I'll try 15.10 | 10:48 |
| hikiko | I'll upload the video in a minute | 10:48 |
| Trevinho | hikiko: so I'm getting that, however enhanced zoom is not enabled yet by default, and that's something we should actually do.... But We'd need the fix for launcher/dash before :) | 10:49 |
| hikiko | I kno I kno... | 10:52 |
| hikiko | :/ | 10:52 |
| hikiko | btw willcooke Trevinho https://transfer.sh/qEy90/maximized-term.ogv | 10:52 |
| hikiko | that's what I mean :/ | 10:52 |
| willcooke | hikiko, opening behind gimp windows? | 10:53 |
| hikiko | exactly willcooke | 10:53 |
| willcooke | that's probably not a bug | 10:53 |
| hikiko | although it's maximized | 10:53 |
| hikiko | and it has the focus | 10:53 |
| hikiko | and all windows are normal | 10:53 |
| willcooke | gimp tool box windows are Utility Windows by default | 10:53 |
| hikiko | (not always on top for example) | 10:53 |
| hikiko | so utility windows are on top of the maximized ones? | 10:54 |
| Trevinho | hikiko: ahhhh... | 10:54 |
| hikiko | no if I do the same on xfce | 10:54 |
| hikiko | the maximized win covers everything | 10:54 |
| Trevinho | hikiko: I think that's a requirement of gimp, in order to be able to use it when the picture is maximzed | 10:54 |
| Trevinho | or not? | 10:54 |
| hikiko | no, if you have a 2nd indow manager or DE | 10:54 |
| hikiko | you can try to do the same | 10:55 |
| hikiko | and the maximized win goes on top | 10:55 |
| willcooke | Gimp -> Prefs -> Window Management (near the bottom) -> Hint for docks and toolbox -> Set to normal window -> try again | 10:55 |
| hikiko | ! | 10:55 |
| hikiko | ok | 10:55 |
| hikiko | let me see | 10:55 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: what about making gimp to be default in single-window mode, btw? I guess people coming from other™ OS® would prefer that | 10:55 |
| willcooke | oh, and re-load gimp | 10:55 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, yeah, I use it it single window mode all the time | 10:55 |
| willcooke | and it will be for pocket desktop I expect | 10:56 |
| Trevinho | indeed it's not installed by default, so it shouldn't be much under our radar, but I guess that forcing that would be a nice addition | 10:56 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, for everyone who likes it, there will be someone who does not. I don't think it's worth changing, but I don't really mind either way | 10:56 |
| willcooke | anyway, that bug says terminal max and terminal restore sets the window to be still full screen - which is not what we are seeing | 10:57 |
| happyaron | Trevinho: yes Oct 1-7 will be National day holidays | 10:57 |
| Trevinho | indeed... But well, the thing is that: who already used it knows that can change things from settings. Instead the first-time user feeling that gets three windows opened is: "what the f....?!?" | 10:57 |
| Trevinho | happyaron: I love your holidays :D | 10:58 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, fair point | 10:58 |
| Trevinho | I thought we had many national holidays here, but well... Chinese people beaten Italians again :) | 10:59 |
| Trevinho | (actually we've less NH than UK I think) | 10:59 |
| happyaron | LOL | 10:59 |
| davmor2 | Trevinho: we only have like 9 days iirc | 10:59 |
| Laney | https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/china/ | 10:59 |
| Laney | SRSLY | 11:00 |
| hikiko | willcooke, I changed to normal and I still get the bug | 11:00 |
| Trevinho | http://edge.alluremedia.com.au/uploads/businessinsider/2015/01/Wego.jpg | 11:00 |
| hikiko | "bug" | 11:00 |
| hikiko | maybe it's not | 11:00 |
| willcooke | hikiko, ?!?!?! wmf :D | 11:00 |
| willcooke | wfm | 11:00 |
| Trevinho | italy has 11, but it's flexible as we don't have bank days as in UK, so if an holiday is during the weekend we loose it :( (So I guess, it happens everywhere else) | 11:01 |
| willcooke | hikiko, trying on 15.10 | 11:01 |
| willcooke | urgh | 11:01 |
| willcooke | downloading gimp @ 45k a sec | 11:01 |
| Trevinho | nice | 11:02 |
| hikiko | no no | 11:02 |
| hikiko | willcooke, | 11:02 |
| hikiko | no | 11:02 |
| davmor2 | Laney: difference is iirc china get no other days off that is like our 25 plus national | 11:02 |
| hikiko | pebcak! | 11:02 |
| willcooke | \o/ | 11:02 |
| hikiko | gimp needed reboot | 11:02 |
| hikiko | restart | 11:02 |
| hikiko | sorry | 11:02 |
| hikiko | :p | 11:02 |
| willcooke | nw | 11:02 |
| hikiko | cool one bug less! | 11:02 |
| willcooke | \m/ | 11:03 |
| * willcooke didn't know about utility windows until now | 11:03 | |
| willcooke | I wonder if u8 supports that | 11:03 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: I don't think so :) | 11:03 |
| willcooke | I should speak to robert_ancell about them in xmir rootless | 11:03 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: there was a discussion IIRC and a doc about this (by JohnLea) | 11:04 |
| willcooke | ah, kk | 11:04 |
| Trevinho | (i might find it if you want) | 11:04 |
| * Trevinho hopes in drive domain search | 11:04 | |
| Trevinho | hikiko: I was looking at https://trello.com/b/9YvUSYqq/unity-7, it looks like you've three tasks in progress... I guess you can adjust them to reflect proper status | 11:05 |
| willcooke | Trevinho, I remember reading it - it was about a million pages long | 11:05 |
| willcooke | s/remember/read it but forgot all the content | 11:06 |
| Trevinho | willcooke: however, I don't think gimp will run natively there until we don't get the gtk3 port | 11:06 |
| Trevinho | (not sure what's its status) | 11:07 |
| willcooke | yeah, it'll be Xmir, but maybe xmir rootless | 11:07 |
| willcooke | *maybe* | 11:07 |
| Trevinho | It's funny that the GimpToolKit is at 3.0 (heading to 4.0), and gimp is still on 2 | 11:07 |
| willcooke | urgh - gimp downloading at 17k sec now. I think my router needs a reboot | 11:08 |
| Trevinho | do you have fiber or what? | 11:08 |
| willcooke | 2 x vdsl | 11:08 |
| Trevinho | ah, nice... I've VDSL as well. But just one :o | 11:08 |
| Trevinho | how much is the speed there? | 11:08 |
| willcooke | in theory I should be able to download a from a single server @ 40 Mbps | 11:08 |
| Trevinho | ah, so... 40 x2.. | 11:08 |
| willcooke | If I'm downloading from multiple servers (e.g. iso torrents of Ubuntu) then I should be able to hit 80 -> 100 Mbps | 11:09 |
| Trevinho | Mh, I've 30 Mbps, but they should be upgrade it to 50 at some point.... And next year FTTH finally (300Mbps). | 11:09 |
| * Trevinho dreams | 11:09 | |
| willcooke | I went from 8 Mbps x 2 to 40/50 (depending on the weather) x 2 | 11:10 |
| willcooke | I thought that would be soooo much that I could drop one of the lines | 11:10 |
| willcooke | but no | 11:10 |
| Trevinho | Ahah | 11:10 |
| willcooke | MOAR GBS | 11:10 |
| Trevinho | Well, at the end if you end up in a server that is not responsive as it should, it doesn't matter | 11:10 |
| Trevinho | (as probably in this case) | 11:10 |
| * didrocks loves his FTTH at 1Gbps | 11:11 | |
| hikiko | ok Trevinho | 11:11 |
| Laney | HAHA | 11:11 |
| willcooke | /o\ | 11:11 |
| hikiko | I added some activity :p | 11:11 |
| Laney | i knew that didrocks was going to appear | 11:11 |
| didrocks | ;) | 11:11 |
| didrocks | \o/ | 11:11 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: don't troll us, 3rd world guys! | 11:11 |
| Trevinho | it's not kind | 11:11 |
| didrocks | well, I'm using wifi thus, so the gig… :) | 11:11 |
| Trevinho | :) | 11:11 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: how much is that? | 11:12 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: 30€/month (incl phone and tv) | 11:12 |
| Trevinho | wow | 11:12 |
| didrocks | yeah, quite nice :) | 11:13 |
| didrocks | most plans have 300Mbps for 38-39€ | 11:13 |
| Trevinho | I'm 34 times slower paying just 10€ less (but because I've a good deal, main operators gives you 30Mbps for 45€, and nothing else included) | 11:13 |
| Trevinho | didrocks: and is that symmetric? | 11:14 |
| didrocks | Trevinho: no, but still 200Meg up | 11:14 |
| * Trevinho can now cry and go back to serious stuff | 11:14 | |
| didrocks | :p | 11:14 |
| Trevinho | think that when I'm at my parents' home (in countryside) I've just a crappy 6/0.5 Mbps ADSL -_- | 11:15 |
| didrocks | well, my parents are at 2… so yeah, I know the feeling :) | 11:16 |
| hikiko | Trevinho, remember the bandwith in Changsha when you used vpn etc and stop complaining! | 11:16 |
| hikiko | your adsl is super fast :p | 11:16 |
| Trevinho | mh, right | 11:16 |
| Trevinho | well, that was super-fast... When you only needed Chinese stuff | 11:16 |
| didrocks | heh :) | 11:16 |
| hikiko | true | 11:17 |
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| andyrock | good morning | 11:26 |
| seb128 | hey andyrock, how are you? | 11:26 |
| andyrock | sleepy :D | 11:27 |
| qengho | good morning | 11:31 |
| didrocks | hey andyrock, qengho! | 11:34 |
| seb128 | hey qengho | 11:44 |
| * happyaron wants to write something that changes wallpaper automatically | 11:45 | |
| * happyaron will do it | 11:45 | |
| Laney | "gsettings set" ? | 11:46 |
| happyaron | with some crawling functions | 11:46 |
| happyaron | and I love KDE | 11:47 |
| Laney | or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SlideshowWallpapers ? | 11:48 |
| happyaron | I know that and is dealing with the Kylin wallpapers... | 11:48 |
| happyaron | but I want to crawl wallpapers from some Internet sites and change to those wallpapers automatically | 11:49 |
| seb128 | Laney, desrt, larsu, could https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/284909f1836f8bba8cc9703066f408c7bee28de6 be a glib bug? | 11:49 |
| seb128 | g_menu_exporter_menu_items_changed assertion failed: (position + removed <= g_sequence_get_length (menu->item_links)) | 11:49 |
| seb128 | just have it when starting pidgin on my wily | 11:49 |
| seb128 | we got a few recent similar reports | 11:50 |
| willcooke | desktoppers: http://ubuntuonair.com/ <-- Snappy Clinic for people who want to learn a bit about Snappy. It'll be recorded | 11:55 |
| willcooke | starts in about 30 mins | 11:55 |
| Trevinho | it works :) | 11:55 |
| andyrock | \o/ | 11:55 |
| hikiko|ln | :D | 11:55 |
| willcooke | :D:D | 11:55 |
| seb128 | what works? | 11:55 |
| * willcooke is loving the hellos as well | 11:55 | |
| Trevinho | (ehm I meant the highlighting :P) | 11:55 |
| seb128 | oh, keywords ;-) | 11:55 |
| * seb128 likes the hellos, the channel feels more active | 11:56 | |
| willcooke | +1 | 11:56 |
| Trevinho | it's tempting now to bother everyone by saying deskto***ppers at every second :D | 11:56 |
| seb128 | lol | 11:56 |
| hikiko|ln | hey, could anyone write add a testimonial here (if you have some time I mean)? thanks in advance! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hikiko | 11:57 |
| hikiko|ln | :s/add//g | 11:57 |
| hikiko|ln | brb | 11:57 |
| didrocks | ok, I'm starting to hate javascript rendered page :p | 11:57 |
| didrocks | (yeah, I told that) | 11:58 |
| didrocks | I wonder how I can fix that in ubuntu make | 11:58 |
| seb128 | hikiko|ln, sure | 11:59 |
| seb128 | hikiko|ln, what do you apply for? ubuntu membership? | 11:59 |
| hikiko|ln | yes seb128 | 11:59 |
| seb128 | you should write it on the page ;-) | 11:59 |
| hikiko|ln | where? I was copying willcooke's page tbh :p plagiarism :p | 12:01 |
| hikiko|ln | sec | 12:02 |
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| seb128 | ok, maybe not | 12:03 |
| seb128 | your page feels a bit light though | 12:03 |
| hikiko|ln | :| | 12:03 |
| seb128 | maybe give some example of things you fixed | 12:03 |
| hikiko|ln | but there are all in lp and I wrote that I work on nux, compiz and unity... :) | 12:04 |
| * didrocks has a terrible idea… let's see how it goes | 12:04 | |
| seb128 | well, it's just my feeling, but the contributions and futur goals section could be a bit more verbose | 12:04 |
| seb128 | but maybe it's fine | 12:04 |
| seb128 | hikiko|ln, in any case I'm going to add something to your page ;-) | 12:05 |
| hikiko|ln | thanks a lot seb128 :) | 12:05 |
| seb128 | yw! | 12:05 |
| willcooke | hikiko|ln, mutant star goat? :) HHGTTG ftw | 12:09 |
| * willcooke lives in perpetual fear of the time he calls The Coming Of The Great White Handkerchief | 12:09 | |
| hikiko|ln | haha yes | 12:10 |
| === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko | ||
| hikiko | I am back from lunch btw I forgot the nick | 12:11 |
| hikiko | :p | 12:11 |
| * willcooke expects qengho knows these refs as well ^ | 12:13 | |
| didrocks | the evil solution worked \m/ | 12:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, don't tell anyone about it then ;-) | 12:25 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh, I won't, I need to adapt tests for it though :p | 12:26 |
| larsu | seb128: [not sure if already answered above] could be, but it's more likely that someone is using the api wrong | 12:54 |
| larsu | seb128: shall I look into it? | 12:54 |
| seb128 | larsu, if you want, but pidgin is gtk2, so if something is using it wrongly it's unity-gtk-module I guess? | 12:54 |
| seb128 | so maybe one for attente? | 12:55 |
| Laney | Any special steps to make it happen? | 12:56 |
| seb128 | no, it stopped doing it | 12:56 |
| seb128 | "starting pidgin" did it the first 3 times | 12:56 |
| seb128 | like clicking on the dash or starting from a command line | 12:56 |
| Laney | I started it like 10 times | 12:57 |
| seb128 | yeah, it stopped doing it here now | 12:57 |
| larsu | yes, it's in unity-gtk-module | 12:58 |
| larsu | attente knows this much better than I (if he has time) | 12:58 |
| seb128 | desrt, just crossed https://launchpadlibrarian.net/217269912/Stacktrace.txt which might interest you (or not), "g_file_monitor_source_handle_event: code should not be reached" bt in 2.45.7 | 12:59 |
| attente | weird, unity-gtk-module hasn't really changed in over a year | 12:59 |
| larsu | maybe a menu in pidgin has and is hitting an edge case? | 12:59 |
| seb128 | attente, I don't think that bug is new | 13:00 |
| seb128 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1427739 seems similar | 13:00 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1427739 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "nautilus crashed with SIGABRT in g_assertion_message()" [Medium,Confirmed] | 13:00 |
| seb128 | which is from 15.04 but just got a duplicate report from wily | 13:00 |
| seb128 | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/199262767/Stacktrace.txt | 13:00 |
| seb128 | so maybe not happening often and just some coincidences | 13:01 |
| seb128 | hum | 13:02 |
| seb128 | closing pidgin just made unity-panel-service segfault | 13:02 |
| larsu | no problem! It restarts! WONTCLOSE | 13:03 |
| larsu | *WONTFIX | 13:03 |
| seb128 | #0 0xffffffff in gtk_menu_tracker_model_changed (tracker=0xb452a5c0, tracker=0xb452a5c0, n_items=1, offset=<optimized out>, change_point=0xb450e30c) | 13:03 |
| seb128 | at /build/gtk+3.0-78a2wN/gtk+3.0-3.16.7/./gtk/gtkmenutracker.c:290 | 13:03 |
| seb128 | I can reproduce by exiting pidgin | 13:03 |
| seb128 | oh, pidgin triggered apport as well, bug #1499318 | 13:05 |
| ubot5 | bug 1499318 in pidgin (Ubuntu) "/usr/bin/pidgin:GMenuModelItemsChangedInvalidIndex" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499318 | 13:05 |
| qengho | willcooke: I didn't remember that handkerchief one. :( | 13:05 |
| seb128 | I don't understand what those reports are though | 13:05 |
| seb128 | recoverable errors? | 13:05 |
| seb128 | what has a hook for that one? | 13:06 |
| larsu | hook? | 13:06 |
| seb128 | well, that's not a segfault | 13:06 |
| seb128 | it's an apport special type of report | 13:06 |
| seb128 | but unsure who declared those and on what it triggers | 13:06 |
| seb128 | well, the GMenuModelItemsChangedInvalidIndex apport report I mean | 13:06 |
| larsu | gcriticals? | 13:07 |
| seb128 | the segfaults/assert are real | 13:07 |
| seb128 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/12541905/ is the unity-panel-server segfault | 13:09 |
| seb128 | position=-1 | 13:10 |
| seb128 | is that possible/normal? | 13:10 |
| seb128 | shrug, and why is apport not triggering on u-p-s segfaults :-/ | 13:12 |
| larsu | no, this shouldn't happen | 13:15 |
| larsu | off-by-one error somewhere in u-g-m? | 13:15 |
| seb128 | bug #1499133 is the u-p-s segfault | 13:16 |
| ubot5 | bug 1499133 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_menu_tracker_remove_items()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499133 | 13:16 |
| seb128 | attente, can you have a look? let me know if debug info would be useful | 13:16 |
| attente | seb128: yep, looking! | 13:17 |
| * Trevinho leaves for ~1hr | 13:17 | |
| seb128 | Trevinho, have fun! | 13:17 |
| seb128 | hum, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1499117 is recent as well | 13:19 |
| seb128 | 2.45.8/./gio/gmenumodel.c:400:g_menu_model_real_get_item_link: code should not be reached" | 13:19 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1499117 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGABRT" [Undecided,New] | 13:19 |
| desrt | hello desktop | 13:20 |
| desrt | i am here | 13:20 |
| seb128 | desrt, hey | 13:20 |
| seb128 | desrt, good timing, some potential glib issues in the recent channel backlog :-) | 13:20 |
| desrt | i see that | 13:21 |
| desrt | the file monitor stuff? | 13:21 |
| seb128 | I just mentioned that one because it's a "code should not be reached", I just saw 1 report | 13:21 |
| seb128 | in case you would be interested | 13:22 |
| desrt | that sounds like my stuff :) | 13:22 |
| desrt | it asserts? call desrt! | 13:22 |
| seb128 | :-) | 13:22 |
| didrocks | hey desrt! :) | 13:30 |
| seb128 | Laney, should we sync the new gst-fluendo-mp3 to wily? | 13:48 |
| Laney | seb128: probably don't want to drop packages now, wasn't going to bother | 14:02 |
| seb128 | Laney, ok, it should fix bug #1358368 from the ChangeLog, I wonder if we should do some fix backporting then | 14:04 |
| ubot5 | bug 1358368 in gst-fluendo-mp3 (Ubuntu) "Seeking is broken with media-hub on versions 0.10.24 and above" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1358368 | 14:04 |
| Laney | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/182644117/gst-fluendo-mp3_0.10.29.debian-1_0.10.29.debian-1ubuntu1.diff.gz I think fixes the same bug | 14:06 |
| Laney | it turns off that code path anyway | 14:06 |
| seb128 | yeah, I though so, unsure if that has side effect/if the official fix is better | 14:06 |
| seb128 | anyway that can wait next cycle | 14:06 |
| seb128 | thanks | 14:06 |
| Laney | probably is but I don't think they hve the bug | 14:06 |
| Laney | if you want to do it then grab the orig and 0ubuntu1 the update | 14:06 |
| seb128 | k | 14:07 |
| attente | seb128: it stopped reproducing for you entirely now? | 14:22 |
| seb128 | attente, which one? the pidgin or unity-panel-service one? | 14:22 |
| attente | the pidgin one | 14:23 |
| seb128 | the ups segfault is easy to get by closing pidgin | 14:23 |
| seb128 | I had it a few times again | 14:23 |
| seb128 | I can try to get info if you want, tell me what you need | 14:23 |
| larsu | speaking of which... are we declaring chat on desktop dead or will we s/empathy/pidgin before the lts? | 14:23 |
| seb128 | I would argue for empathy->piding if pidgin wasn't still gtk2 | 14:24 |
| seb128 | but it is | 14:24 |
| seb128 | so unsure | 14:24 |
| seb128 | that's one of the topics for London | 14:24 |
| attente | seb128: do you know if pidgin' parent or child process is crashing? | 14:25 |
| larsu | oh weird. Is there no activity on that one either? | 14:25 |
| seb128 | attente, could be, it's behaving weirdly, like the buddy list is not showing sometime | 14:25 |
| attente | like i mean if you gdb pidgin with set-follow-fork to child, does it segfault there? | 14:26 |
| seb128 | larsu, there is, but not a lot and gtk3 doesn't seem an obvious "must do" to everybody | 14:26 |
| attente | er. "set follow-fork-mode child" | 14:26 |
| seb128 | [Inferior 2 (process 14960) exited normally] | 14:27 |
| seb128 | (gdb) ** | 14:27 |
| seb128 | GLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/glib2.0-9TzlcR/glib2.0-2.45.8/./gio/gmenuexporter.c:256:g_menu_exporter_menu_items_changed: assertion failed: (position + removed <= g_sequence_get_length (menu->item_links)) | 14:27 |
| attente | so i guess that means the parent is crashing? | 14:27 |
| attente | can you paste the bt for that? | 14:28 |
| seb128 | attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12542582/ | 14:28 |
| seb128 | "that"? | 14:28 |
| seb128 | attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12542593/ | 14:29 |
| attente | oh, sorry, i meant reproduce, except without the "set-follow-fork-mode child" | 14:29 |
| seb128 | let me install libunity-gtk2-parser.so.0 debigs | 14:29 |
| seb128 | debugs | 14:29 |
| attente | thanks | 14:29 |
| attente | and libunity-gtk2-parser0-dbgsym too please | 14:30 |
| attente | er, sorry | 14:30 |
| seb128 | attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12542615/ | 14:32 |
| attente | seb128: thanks | 14:34 |
| seb128 | yw | 14:34 |
| seb128 | is that useful? | 14:34 |
| attente | not really sure yet tbh. probably not, seems to have pretty much the same info as the error report | 14:36 |
| seb128 | attente, ups has some warnings | 14:39 |
| seb128 | (unity-panel-service:17865): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_label_set_text_with_mnemonic: assertion 'str != NULL' failed | 14:39 |
| seb128 | attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12542693/ is the bt of one of the warnings | 14:40 |
| seb128 | attente, larsu, I've submenus with "No actions available" greyed section in pidgin, could that be a special case that confuses the parser? | 14:46 |
| seb128 | like try to enable a bonjour account | 14:47 |
| seb128 | larsu, attente, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/submenus.png | 14:48 |
| attente | seb128: seems like pidgin is explicitly adding that item | 14:48 |
| * didrocks waves good bye, going for some nap (getting more sick and I'll need to be on shape to focus on some doc tomorrow morning) | 14:48 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, get better! | 14:49 |
| didrocks | thx | 14:49 |
| seb128 | attente, try enabling a bonjour account in pidgin and get online, that might be enough to trigger it for you as well? | 14:50 |
| seb128 | hum | 14:51 |
| seb128 | desrt, larsu, attente, that pidgin assert doesn't happen if I ld_library_load glib 2.44.1 | 14:52 |
| seb128 | LD_LIBRARY_PATH I mean | 14:52 |
| seb128 | or ld_preload libglib-2.0.so.0.4400.1 | 14:53 |
| attente | seb128: yeah... that definitely triggered it | 14:55 |
| seb128 | attente, the bonjour account? | 14:56 |
| attente | seb128: yep | 14:56 |
| seb128 | great | 14:56 |
| seb128 | going to make easier to debug if it can be reproduced | 14:56 |
| attente | i'll try the older glib too... | 14:57 |
| seb128 | well, it's going to work, it's pretty reliable | 14:57 |
| seb128 | so something change in glib that makes your code grumpy | 14:57 |
| attente | git bisect? :) | 14:59 |
| seb128 | you like those :-) | 14:59 |
| attente | seb128: yup, you're right :) bisecting... | 15:04 |
| seb128 | hehe | 15:04 |
| andyrock | desrt: ping | 15:12 |
| seb128 | attente, hum, starting gedit displays those warning | 15:19 |
| seb128 | ** (gedit:21929): WARNING **: (../../../lib/unity-gtk-menu-shell.c:176):unity_gtk_menu_shell_show_item: code should not be reached | 15:19 |
| seb128 | wonder if that's the same issue | 15:20 |
| seb128 | that's new as well I think | 15:20 |
| attente | yeah... what's going on here? | 15:20 |
| Laney | woah | 15:21 |
| Laney | yeah if you enable the External Tools plugin... | 15:21 |
| Laney | ** (gedit:32245): WARNING **: (../../../lib/unity-gtk-menu-shell.c:176):unity_gtk_menu_shell_show_item: code should not be reached | 15:21 |
| Laney | /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gedit/plugins/externaltools/windowactivatable.py:208: Warning: g_sequence_iter_next: assertion 'iter != NULL' failed ui_manager.ensure_update() | 15:21 |
| Laney | /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gedit/plugins/externaltools/windowactivatable.py:208: Warning: g_sequence_iter_get_position: assertion 'iter != NULL' failed ui_manager.ensure_update() | 15:21 |
| Laney | ** | 15:22 |
| Laney | GLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/glib2.0-h3kZN2/glib2.0-2.46.0/./gio/gmenuexporter.c:256:g_menu_exporter_menu_items_changed: assertion failed: (position + removed <= g_sequence_get_length (menu->item_links)) | 15:22 |
| Laney | [1] 32245 abort (core dumped) gedit | 15:22 |
| seb128 | ah! | 15:22 |
| seb128 | I'm not alone | 15:22 |
| Laney | it's a terrible club and I want to quit it | 15:22 |
| willcooke | :) | 15:22 |
| seb128 | I think it's either the recent gtk or glib update, I would bet on glib since ldpreloading the old one fixes those | 15:22 |
| Laney | desrt always says that it is someone using the API wrong :) | 15:22 |
| seb128 | haha | 15:22 |
| attente | lol | 15:23 |
| === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr | ||
| hikiko | willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/815996 did you manage to reproduce it? I saw your tag I was about to mark it as invalid | 15:32 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 815996 in OEM Priority Project trusty "Desktop occasionally freezes/locks up when switching workspaces" [High,Confirmed] | 15:32 |
| seb128 | willcooke, bamf is sort of part of unity and it looks like it could benefit from a run of the script that close old apport segfault untouched bugs | 15:35 |
| hikiko | oops I have to go... see you later! :) | 15:35 |
| larsu | seb128: sort of? | 15:36 |
| seb128 | larsu, well, I though it was used by some other docks/desktop environments nowadays | 15:37 |
| seb128 | but yeah | 15:37 |
| larsu | not sure, might be | 15:39 |
| Trevinho | seb128: Yes... There's not much to close there, but ok | 15:41 |
| larsu | bamf is perfect | 15:43 |
| Trevinho | It is :-P | 15:43 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, there is a stack of old segfaults in _XReply | 15:43 |
| seb128 | script closing them would be nice | 15:43 |
| Trevinho | Sure... | 15:44 |
| andyrock | and a script to close all the bugs that are marked need-design and start with 7* | 16:01 |
| andyrock | :D | 16:01 |
| larsu | pretty sure it "needs design" "P | 16:02 |
| andyrock | :F | 16:02 |
| andyrock | :D | 16:02 |
| andyrock | the script can close them with a nice comment | 16:03 |
| andyrock | something like | 16:03 |
| andyrock | "this design is s**t" | 16:03 |
| andyrock | ahah :D | 16:03 |
| === meetingology` is now known as meetingology | ||
| desrt | andyrock: hi | 16:31 |
| andyrock | desrt: hey! I'm debugging a indicator-appmenu memory leak | 16:32 |
| andyrock | basically it seems like that some (quite a lot) memory is not freed when an application is closed | 16:32 |
| desrt | event_type=4294967295 | 16:32 |
| desrt | curious | 16:32 |
| desrt | andyrock: that's correct. | 16:33 |
| andyrock | i'm using G_SLICE=debug-blocks G_DEBUG=gc-friendly valgrind | 16:33 |
| desrt | just use G_SLICE=always-malloc | 16:33 |
| andyrock | well i used that too | 16:33 |
| desrt | but don't expect glib to release all memory before it quits. we just don't do that. | 16:33 |
| andyrock | but I'm getting too much noice | 16:33 |
| andyrock | *noise | 16:33 |
| desrt | ignore the reachable bits and focus on the unreachable stuff | 16:33 |
| desrt | we've had an idea to support freeing all memory on exit (not enabled normally) in order to help reduce valgrind noise but the effort stalled for a couple of reasons | 16:34 |
| desrt | it's _extremely_ difficult to do this in a nice way | 16:34 |
| andyrock | k valgrind should work too in this case? I mean indicator-appmenu is a library | 16:35 |
| desrt | yes. you just have to know how to use valgrind properly | 16:35 |
| andyrock | so I'm just loading it using indicator-loader | 16:35 |
| andyrock | not sure if valgrind can help in this case | 16:35 |
| desrt | andyrock: valgrind reports reachable, maybe-reachable and unreachable blocks | 16:36 |
| desrt | you need to only look at the unreachable stuff.... | 16:36 |
| seb128 | nessita, hey, did you see my ping the other day? ;-) | 16:53 |
| seb128 | ups, sorry, ctrl-W with wrong win | 16:54 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| * Laney sniggers | 17:06 | |
| seb128 | Laney, nervous one? | 17:08 |
| Laney | sort of | 17:08 |
| Laney | it's more HAHAHA UPLOADING GSTREAMER STACK THEN IMMEDIATELY LEAVING | 17:08 |
| Laney | but it will be frozen anyway | 17:08 |
| Laney | so :( | 17:08 |
| seb128 | hehe | 17:08 |
| seb128 | have fun! | 17:09 |
| * seb128 is going to call it a day soon | 17:09 | |
| seb128 | spent most day in launchpad reviewing bugs and triaging/picking things that should be fixed in the next cycles | 17:09 |
| Laney | some time in the swamp | 17:10 |
| Laney | good for the skin | 17:10 |
| seb128 | lol | 17:16 |
| Laney | ttyl | 17:21 |
| desrt | i'm going to head out to go to seneca@york soon | 17:25 |
| desrt | i left my laptop's power adaptor there during the X developers conference and i need to go pick it up | 17:25 |
| desrt | i'll be in the subway, so no net access | 17:25 |
| desrt | will be back later in the afternoon | 17:25 |
| desrt | i will not be around during tomorrow, hoever. i will be driving a car to cincinnati | 17:26 |
| seb128 | desrt, drive safely! | 17:28 |
| willcooke | safe travels desrt | 17:32 |
| kgunn | willcooke: hey do you know when the wily beta is gonna be cut and the freeze will be over ? | 17:34 |
| willcooke | kgunn, aiui freeze in to wily won't be over now, so you'll have to wait until X is open | 17:35 |
| willcooke | Final beta freeze is today | 17:36 |
| willcooke | kgunn, final freeze is Oct 15 | 17:36 |
| kgunn | willcooke: right, my understanding is things could at least move into proposed once the beta has been curated | 17:36 |
| kgunn | eg today | 17:36 |
| kgunn | willcooke: otherwise the whole idea of dual landing is borked | 17:36 |
| * Trevinho leaving again for some football (soccer, meh) playing.... Back later | 17:39 | |
| kgunn | situation is such...dual landing happened last night of mir/u-s-c, freeze happens | 17:39 |
| willcooke | kgunn, well, I guess there is a difference between bugs and features right | 17:39 |
| willcooke | if you're talking about bugs, then final freeze is Oct 15 | 17:39 |
| kgunn | pkgs migrate to vivid+o, but sit in "UNAPPROVED" queue for wily due to freeze | 17:39 |
| kgunn | this is worst case | 17:39 |
| kgunn | b/c we can't even force merge etc | 17:40 |
| kgunn | meaning, anything in this state can't have anything else landed | 17:40 |
| kgunn | little bit better state is to at least have those pkgs go to proposed pocket | 17:40 |
| kgunn | where we can force merge, and continue landing (and overwriting whatever is in proposed) | 17:41 |
| seb128 | kgunn, try asking on #ubuntu-release | 17:41 |
| seb128 | but things that are phone specific should be let through | 17:41 |
| seb128 | things in mir/used somewhere else needs manual ack | 17:41 |
| kgunn | seb128: thanks and tried asking on #ubuntu-release... crickets | 18:02 |
| willcooke | g'night all | 18:46 |
| andyrock | eod | 19:38 |
| andyrock | night all | 19:38 |
| andyrock | ! | 19:38 |
| robert_ancell | hi all | 21:23 |
| === thumper-afk is now known as thumper | ||
| attente | good night | 22:29 |
| TheMuso | Morning folks. | 22:33 |
| Trevinho | 'night | 22:51 |
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