[00:18]  * TheMuso returns.
[02:07] <andyrock> good night all
[03:05] <Trevinho> 'night (or morning) all
[03:07] <duflu> Trevinho: Heh. Night
[03:07] <duflu> (morning)
[03:07] <duflu> and soon afternoon
[03:07] <Trevinho> :-)
[04:56] <robert_ancell> bye all
[05:06] <didrocks> good morning
[05:09] <TheMuso> Hey didrocks. Feeling better today?
[05:14] <didrocks> TheMuso: not really, woke up at 2am and couldn't sleep again until 4…
[05:14] <didrocks> TheMuso: thanks for asking though :)
[05:14] <didrocks> nothing really worrying, it's just a cold, but enough to feel uneasy
[05:15] <TheMuso> didrocks: Yeah, I know.
[05:20] <pitti> Good morning
[05:22] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[05:22] <pitti> bonjour didrocks !
[05:30] <hikiko> hello all
[05:33] <didrocks> hey hikiko
[06:01] <Sweet5hark> goood morning (from mission: at conference)!
[06:07] <didrocks> hey Sweet5hark
[06:08] <Sweet5hark> didrocks: heya.
[06:40] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[06:41] <didrocks> hey seb128
[06:41] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heya
[06:41] <seb128> re didrocks :-)
[06:41] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[06:44] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[06:45] <seb128> pitti, hey, wie gehts?
[06:45] <pitti> seb128: gut, danke!
[06:45] <pitti> seb128: a bit tired, two hours of Badminton on Tue and two hours of Basketball last night take some toll :)
[06:45] <pitti> but it was great
[06:45] <seb128> :-)
[06:46] <seb128> I had 3 hours of tennis yesterday, feeling a bit tired as well today
[06:47] <pitti> seb128: 3! wow
[06:47] <seb128> yeah, it was fun ;-)
[06:48] <seb128> they do mixed groups on wednesday evening, anyone can show up and they and each hours there is a round where you play with different people
[06:49] <seb128> -and they
[06:49] <pitti> seb128: oh, that's fun! so you don't adjust too much to only one or two players
[06:49] <seb128> right
[06:49] <seb128> it's also often doubles
[06:49] <seb128> depending of the number of people showing up
[06:49] <seb128> great fun ;-)
[06:50] <seb128> I often do two rounds but I stayed for a third one yesterday
[06:54]  * pitti -> allergy shot, bbl
[07:02] <pitti> re; ironically, the doctor is ill
[07:03] <didrocks> ah :p
[07:03] <seb128> seems like you didn't have to go far at least
[07:04] <pitti> no, just 2 mins walking
[07:12] <willcooke> ahoy
[07:13] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:13] <TheMuso> Hey willcooke. :)
[07:15] <didrocks> morning willcooke
[07:29] <larsu> good morning!
[07:29] <larsu> *yawn*
[07:31] <willcooke> hey larsu, seb128, TheMuso, didrocks
[07:31] <didrocks> morning larsu
[07:31] <seb128> hey larsu TheMuso
[07:32] <larsu> hehe that was quick
[08:02] <Laney> hi ;-) (-;
[08:03] <larsu> morning Laney!
[08:03] <Laney> yay
[08:03] <Laney> it's larsu!
[08:03] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:03] <didrocks> hey hey Laney
[08:04] <larsu> hey hey hey Laney
[08:04] <Laney> oh it just gets better and better
[08:04] <Laney> hey pitti and didrocks
[08:04] <larsu> you just broke the chain :/
[08:04] <Laney> forget that
[08:04] <Laney> i'm too happy to see everyone
[08:04] <larsu> awesome :)
[08:04] <Laney> even in textual form
[08:04] <Laney> what's up?
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:05] <larsu> not much. Drinkning tea after a night drinking a lot of beer
[08:05] <larsu> *drinking even
[08:06] <Laney> larsu: pink killer?
[08:06] <Laney> seb128: MAN, YOU AS WELL
[08:06] <larsu> nah, good old flensburger
[08:07] <seb128> Laney, stop shouting, larsu has an hangover!
[08:07] <larsu> hehe
[08:07] <larsu> not really
[08:07] <larsu> it wasn't *that* much
[08:08]  * pitti hands larsu some Gurken
[08:12] <Trevinho> morning...
[08:12] <larsu> pitti: danke und gtuen morgen :)
[08:12] <seb128> Trevinho, hey :-)
[08:12] <seb128> how are you?
[08:12] <didrocks> larsu: so, you drink, and I'm the sick guy, unfair!
[08:12] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[08:13] <larsu> didrocks: get better!
[08:13] <larsu> NOW
[08:13] <didrocks> if only things were so simple
[08:13] <pitti> didrocks: argh, cold caught you after all? :-(
[08:14] <Trevinho> A bit tired, but ok (last night I closed my editor at 5 :-P)
[08:14] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I didn't resist Julie's microbes…
[08:14] <didrocks> pitti: but of course *she* now feels really well…
[08:14] <pitti> bah
[08:14] <pitti> didrocks: you're supposed to not resist *her*, not her microbes
[08:14] <didrocks> ;)
[08:14]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[08:15]  * didrocks hugs pitti back
[08:15] <pitti> didrocks: some guy at basketball had a cold as well yesterday, I hope I did't catch it
[08:15] <pitti> otherwise I'll bring the ubuflu to Budapest
[08:15] <didrocks> pitti: argh, yeah, keep strong then to not be patient 0 :)
[08:17]  * Laney watched Cordon a few weeks ago
[08:17] <Laney> that was a fun series
[08:17] <Laney> (speaking of patient 0...)
[08:17] <pitti> I don't get the reference
[08:17] <pitti> but only ~ 8 more OITNB episodes, afterwards I need a new series; is that a good one?
[08:19] <Laney> It's about the outbreak of a virus :)
[08:19] <Laney> yeah, it's not too deep but still quite fun
[08:20] <pitti> ah, not on netflix
[08:21] <Laney> the BBC was showing it
[08:21] <Laney> even though it from Belgium
[08:22]  * TheMuso -> EOD. Goodnight folks.
[08:22] <Laney> I guess they started looking for non-English series to buy after the Killing proved so popular
[08:22] <Laney> bye TheMuso!
[08:22] <willcooke> g'night TheMuso
[08:23] <didrocks> see you TheMuso
[08:23] <seb128> davidcalle, looks like the fix from https://code.launchpad.net/~submarine/unity-scope-zotero/trunk never landed in Ubuntu, do you think you can get that uploaded?
[08:24] <seb128> Trevinho, stop working so late! or sleep longer next day ;-)
[08:24] <seb128> Trevinho, what did you hack on all night?
[08:24] <davidcalle> seb128, what year is it?
[08:25] <davidcalle> :-)
[08:25] <seb128> lol
[08:25] <seb128> davidcalle, I saw it when reviewing bugs with patches
[08:25] <Trevinho> seb128: the more I work in the scrollbars, the  more issues I find...
[08:25] <seb128> Trevinho, :-(
[08:26] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm more focused when I've the long night for me ...
[08:26] <Trevinho> And if something blocks me.... Then I just can't stop
[08:26] <seb128> typical hacker behaviour ;-)
[08:26] <davidcalle> seb128, thanks, I'll look into demoting that package from the distro asap ;-)
[08:26] <seb128> davidcalle, wfm, less code to maintain!
[08:27] <Trevinho> Sort of ;-)
[08:27] <seb128> Trevinho, willcooke, do we expect the scrollbar changes to land for wily? we probably need ffe/uife for that
[08:27] <davidcalle> seb128, more seriously, I don't even know if it still works, the maintainer has lost interest, I'll see what I can do about that
[08:28] <Trevinho> seb128: in terms of UI nothing changes for the screenshots or... Anything docs related
[08:28] <seb128> davidcalle, it's really a minor detail, unsure if anyone use that service, I just mentioned it because if we ship it we can as well have it to work
[08:28] <davidcalle> seb128, indeed
[08:28] <Trevinho> But as you prefer
[08:28] <seb128> Trevinho, well, it does, we don't have overlay scroll thumbs anymore, right?
[08:29] <seb128> well, I prefer less work
[08:29] <seb128> maybe Laney has an opinion
[08:29] <Laney> "the more issues I find" sounds worrying to slide in late :)
[08:29] <seb128> Laney, do you think the scrollbar change in unity is a ffe?
[08:29] <davidcalle> willcooke, I'll send you a mail soon about old python scopes we still ship and should kill :)
[08:29] <willcooke> davidcalle, nice, that ties in with something I was going to talk to seb128 about
[08:29] <willcooke> :)
[08:29] <Trevinho> seb128: Yes, but that's only shown in mouse over and I don't think anyone used those for docs, but we can ask an UI fe
[08:30] <willcooke> Trevinho, yeah, we'll need a UI FE
[08:30] <seb128> Trevinho, well, it's more the ffe, as Laney said, if it's non trivial code change and has potential to create issues it needs a risk/benefit evaluation
[08:30] <Trevinho> Laney: not in the new code, but issues that are alredy there for years
[08:31] <Laney> well...
[08:31] <Laney> I don't think it's really bad to ride the time based release cycle instead of pushing risky things through the freeze
[08:32] <Laney> but if you think it will have 0 new bugs then file the request and see what happens
[08:33]  * didrocks is fighting our jenkins tests system again…
[08:33] <hikiko> Trevinho, Trevinho Trevinho ping!
[08:33] <hikiko> #ubuntukylin-devel
[08:34] <willcooke> We need to decide which is better:  New OSB in some/most apps and old OSB in the dash but we know it's status vs same OSB in dash and apps and the risk therein
[08:35] <willcooke> Personally, I think having different OSB in the dash vs apps is worth a FFE to fix
[08:35] <Trevinho> Laney: I don't think there are new bugs... It's just that there were bugs inside nux or the dash, that we just ignored till now... And since I'm there I don't want to leave them around
[08:36] <didrocks> willcooke: +1, but then, we need to evaluate the risk (but yeah, we already have enough inconsistency in that area to not add more)
[08:37] <Trevinho> I guess you could evaluate the code, it's actually a simplification of things
[08:38] <Laney> The procedure is that you file the bug and make your arguments in there
[08:39] <Laney> You might want to get a PPA which other people can try too
[08:41] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, as always...
[08:55] <seb128> Trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1446081 has a 1 liner patch to use GTK_ICON_LOOKUP_FORCE_SIZE, could you review it?
[08:58] <Trevinho> seb128: ok
[08:58] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[08:58] <Trevinho> I'll check that after the meeting with kylin
[09:27] <attente> hi
[09:27] <Laney> attente: !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
[09:27] <larsu> attente: err...
[09:27] <larsu> insomnia?
[09:28] <Laney> working early
[09:28] <Laney> in order to go out bouldering in the afternoon
[09:28] <Laney> yes?
[09:28] <attente> yup!
[09:28] <Laney> \o/
[09:28] <attente> to both maybe...
[09:29] <seb128> hey attente
[09:29] <larsu> attente: morning!
[09:30] <happyaron> attente: morning
[09:30] <attente> good morning guys :)
[09:30] <didrocks> morning attente ;)
[09:30] <didrocks> hey happyaron, you around! :)
[09:31] <seb128> attente, seems there is a patch on bug #1226962 , do you know if that's still an issue/maybe you could have a look to the change to see if it makes sense?
[09:36] <attente> seb128: sure, i think one of those is from the ppa that we couldn't add to archive because holding shift would change the layout back if the switching shortcut used shift
[09:36] <seb128> attente, oh, ok
[09:45] <willcooke> morning attente
[10:05] <Trevinho> larsu: as per bug 1446081, do you think we should always use GTK_ICON_LOOKUP_FORCE_SIZE in unity? As we currently do it in /some/ places... While it seems that it changed its behavior recently
[10:05] <larsu> going for lunch with my sister in mitte, might be gone for a bit longer than usual
[10:05] <larsu> Trevinho: sorry about the timing. I'll have look when I'm back
[10:05] <Laney> Trevinho: have you noticed that d-feet's icon in the dash is weird?
[10:06] <Laney> you get the top left quarter or so
[10:06] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, no worries
[10:06] <Laney> HA
[10:06] <Trevinho> Laney: it might be the same thing
[10:06] <Trevinho> Laney: we use it /somewhere/
[10:06] <larsu> Trevinho: short answer: we should for application icons
[10:06] <larsu> and fix the theme for others
[10:06] <Laney> actually this only happens on my laptop but not desktop
[10:06] <Laney> weird
[10:06] <Trevinho> larsu: even for indicators?
[10:06] <Trevinho> Laney: your laptop is lying
[10:07] <Laney> clearly
[10:07] <larsu> Trevinho: indicators have app icons as well (messaging menu, sound)
[10:07] <Trevinho> ok, ok
[10:07]  * Trevinho puts it everywhere
[10:07] <Trevinho> So normal behavior is now that we try to get the icon with size that is closer to the one we requested, right?
[10:08] <Trevinho> (by using lookup with size)
[10:08] <Trevinho> Laney: my d-feet is fine, though
[10:09] <Laney> WOAH gnome-screenshot crashed
[10:09] <seb128> Laney, d-feet is fine here, your laptop is hidpi/use scaling?
[10:10] <Laney> ye
[10:10] <Trevinho> Laney: 2x?
[10:10] <seb128> maybe has to do with it?
[10:10] <Laney> 2× indeed
[10:10]  * Trevinho adds that
[10:12] <Trevinho> Laney: ok, that triggers it
[10:16] <Laney> if this same fix doesn't resolve it then I'll file a bug
[10:16] <Laney> not that urgent, I only notice it on d-feet
[10:16] <Trevinho> Laney: I guess it's a different thing
[10:17] <Trevinho> Laney: yeah, but it's caused by something else, so I'd like to know what
[10:17] <Trevinho> probably because gtk image use scaling for loading them...
[10:17] <Trevinho> while we do that by ourselves
[10:17] <Laney> if you right click it then the icon is correct there
[10:17] <Trevinho> like... load_at_scale...
[10:17] <Trevinho> yep, I saw it
[10:18] <Laney> alright, I'll file it, just for you :)
[10:19] <Trevinho> :)
[10:20]  * Trevinho opened unity at 2x in his non-hdpi monitor... and well, wow... How nice it is!?!
[10:20] <Trevinho> You should give a try to 4x to see the same thing :D
[10:21] <Trevinho> in dash we've just low quality "arrows", but they should be fixed soon
[10:24] <Trevinho> Laney: we've the same also with Trusty's gtk/gio... And, can you scroll your full app list to see if you see something else?
[10:25] <Trevinho> (that's the only one for me)
[10:25] <Laney> seems to be d-feet only
[10:35] <hikiko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1498712 look at all these bugs we don't have enough time to fix... :) willcooke Trevinho I guess that's important too isn't it? (accessibility + we have wrong position calculations when the desktop is transformed, in this case zoomed)
[10:36] <hikiko> I think the offset has the size of the scaled decoration from a first quick look
[10:36] <happyaron> hikiko: maybe it's something good to have Kylin people involved on those bugs, too
[10:37] <hikiko> yes :) if you could help in any way that would be great happyaron ! many thanks!
[10:38] <happyaron> hikiko: I saw the meeting with them was canceled, would be nice to raise it in next one
[10:38] <hikiko> sure happyaron :) will do!
[10:39] <willcooke> hikiko, that bug... I think it's worth putting on the list, but low priority
[10:44] <hikiko> ok willcooke changed to low
[10:45] <hikiko> oh noes...
[10:45] <hikiko> willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1102024
[10:45] <hikiko> our window ordering... seems to be wrong
[10:45] <hikiko> if I open gimp
[10:46] <hikiko> (with toolbox)
[10:46] <hikiko> and then press the ctrl+super+up/down as he says
[10:46] <hikiko> the toolbox is on top of the maximized window
[10:46] <willcooke> terminal works fine for me
[10:46] <willcooke> lemme try gimp
[10:47] <Trevinho> happyaron: hey, we cancelled the next meeting because they told me there's a big national holiday during that time, not the next ones...
[10:47] <Trevinho> happyaron: I mentioned about that also in the past meetings, but they're quite busy in doing new stuff now, so I hope they'll find time for bugs as well
[10:48] <hikiko> it's because you don't have many win per application willcooke
[10:48] <hikiko> gimp has 3 windows
[10:48] <hikiko> and doesn't work well with gnome terminal :/
[10:48] <willcooke> bug report says terminal
[10:48] <willcooke> works fine for me
[10:48] <willcooke> I'll try 15.10
[10:48] <hikiko> I'll upload the video in a minute
[10:49] <Trevinho> hikiko: so I'm getting that, however enhanced zoom is not enabled yet by default, and that's something we should actually do.... But We'd need the fix for launcher/dash before :)
[10:52] <hikiko> I kno I kno...
[10:52] <hikiko> :/
[10:52] <hikiko> btw willcooke Trevinho https://transfer.sh/qEy90/maximized-term.ogv
[10:52] <hikiko> that's what I mean :/
[10:53] <willcooke> hikiko, opening behind gimp windows?
[10:53] <hikiko> exactly willcooke
[10:53] <willcooke> that's probably not a bug
[10:53] <hikiko> although it's maximized
[10:53] <hikiko> and it has the focus
[10:53] <hikiko> and all windows are normal
[10:53] <willcooke> gimp tool box windows are Utility Windows by default
[10:53] <hikiko> (not always on top for example)
[10:54] <hikiko> so utility windows are on top of the maximized ones?
[10:54] <Trevinho> hikiko: ahhhh...
[10:54] <hikiko> no if I do the same on xfce
[10:54] <hikiko> the maximized win covers everything
[10:54] <Trevinho> hikiko: I think that's a requirement of gimp, in order to be able to use it when the picture is maximzed
[10:54] <Trevinho> or not?
[10:54] <hikiko> no, if you have a 2nd indow manager or DE
[10:55] <hikiko> you can try to do the same
[10:55] <hikiko> and the maximized win goes on top
[10:55] <willcooke> Gimp -> Prefs -> Window Management (near the bottom) -> Hint for docks and toolbox -> Set to normal window -> try again
[10:55] <hikiko> !
[10:55] <hikiko> ok
[10:55] <hikiko> let me see
[10:55] <Trevinho> willcooke: what about making gimp to be default in single-window mode, btw? I guess people coming from other™ OS® would prefer that
[10:55] <willcooke> oh, and re-load gimp
[10:55] <willcooke> Trevinho, yeah, I use it it single window mode all the time
[10:56] <willcooke> and it will be for pocket desktop I expect
[10:56] <Trevinho> indeed it's not installed by default, so it shouldn't be much under our radar, but I guess that forcing that would be a nice addition
[10:56] <willcooke> Trevinho, for everyone who likes it, there will be someone who does not.  I don't think it's worth changing, but I don't really mind either way
[10:57] <willcooke> anyway, that bug says terminal max and terminal restore sets the window to be still full screen - which is not what we are seeing
[10:57] <happyaron> Trevinho: yes Oct 1-7 will be National day holidays
[10:57] <Trevinho> indeed... But well, the thing is that: who already used it knows that can change things from settings. Instead the first-time user feeling that gets three windows opened is: "what the f....?!?"
[10:58] <Trevinho> happyaron: I love your holidays :D
[10:58] <willcooke> Trevinho, fair point
[10:59] <Trevinho> I thought we had many national holidays here, but well... Chinese people beaten Italians again :)
[10:59] <Trevinho> (actually we've less NH than UK I think)
[10:59] <happyaron> LOL
[10:59] <davmor2> Trevinho: we only have like 9 days iirc
[10:59] <Laney> https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/china/
[11:00] <Laney> SRSLY
[11:00] <hikiko> willcooke, I changed to normal and I still get the bug
[11:00] <Trevinho> http://edge.alluremedia.com.au/uploads/businessinsider/2015/01/Wego.jpg
[11:00] <hikiko> "bug"
[11:00] <hikiko> maybe it's not
[11:00] <willcooke> hikiko, ?!?!?!  wmf :D
[11:00] <willcooke> wfm
[11:01] <Trevinho> italy has 11, but it's flexible as we don't have bank days as in UK, so if an holiday is during the weekend we loose it :( (So I guess, it happens everywhere else)
[11:01] <willcooke> hikiko, trying on 15.10
[11:01] <willcooke> urgh
[11:01] <willcooke> downloading gimp @ 45k a sec
[11:02] <Trevinho> nice
[11:02] <hikiko> no no
[11:02] <hikiko> willcooke,
[11:02] <hikiko> no
[11:02] <davmor2> Laney: difference is iirc china get no other days off that is like our 25 plus national
[11:02] <hikiko> pebcak!
[11:02] <willcooke> \o/
[11:02] <hikiko> gimp needed reboot
[11:02] <hikiko> restart
[11:02] <hikiko> sorry
[11:02] <hikiko> :p
[11:02] <willcooke> nw
[11:02] <hikiko> cool one bug less!
[11:03] <willcooke> \m/
[11:03]  * willcooke didn't know about utility windows until now
[11:03] <willcooke> I wonder if u8 supports that
[11:03] <Trevinho> willcooke: I don't think so :)
[11:03] <willcooke> I should speak to robert_ancell about them in xmir rootless
[11:04] <Trevinho> willcooke: there was a discussion IIRC and a doc about this (by JohnLea)
[11:04] <willcooke> ah, kk
[11:04] <Trevinho> (i might find it if you want)
[11:04]  * Trevinho hopes in drive domain search
[11:05] <Trevinho> hikiko: I was looking at https://trello.com/b/9YvUSYqq/unity-7, it looks like you've three tasks in progress... I guess you can adjust them to reflect proper status
[11:05] <willcooke> Trevinho, I remember reading it - it was about a million pages long
[11:06] <willcooke> s/remember/read it but forgot all the content
[11:06] <Trevinho> willcooke: however, I don't think gimp will run natively there until we don't get the gtk3 port
[11:07] <Trevinho> (not sure what's its status)
[11:07] <willcooke> yeah, it'll be Xmir, but maybe xmir rootless
[11:07] <willcooke> *maybe*
[11:07] <Trevinho> It's funny that the GimpToolKit is at 3.0 (heading to 4.0), and gimp is still on 2
[11:08] <willcooke> urgh - gimp downloading at 17k sec now.  I think my router needs a reboot
[11:08] <Trevinho> do you have fiber or what?
[11:08] <willcooke> 2 x vdsl
[11:08] <Trevinho> ah, nice... I've VDSL as well. But just one :o
[11:08] <Trevinho> how much is the speed there?
[11:08] <willcooke> in theory I should be able to download a from a single server @ 40 Mbps
[11:08] <Trevinho> ah, so... 40 x2..
[11:09] <willcooke> If I'm downloading from multiple servers (e.g. iso torrents of Ubuntu) then I should be able to hit 80 -> 100 Mbps
[11:09] <Trevinho> Mh, I've 30 Mbps, but they should be upgrade it to 50 at some point.... And next year FTTH finally (300Mbps).
[11:09]  * Trevinho dreams
[11:10] <willcooke> I went from 8 Mbps x 2 to 40/50 (depending on the weather) x 2
[11:10] <willcooke> I thought that would be soooo much that I could drop one of the lines
[11:10] <willcooke> but no
[11:10] <Trevinho> Ahah
[11:10] <willcooke> MOAR GBS
[11:10] <Trevinho> Well, at the end if you end up in a server that is not responsive as it should, it doesn't matter
[11:10] <Trevinho> (as probably in this case)
[11:11]  * didrocks loves his FTTH at 1Gbps
[11:11] <hikiko> ok Trevinho
[11:11] <Laney> HAHA
[11:11] <willcooke>  /o\
[11:11] <hikiko> I added some activity :p
[11:11] <Laney> i knew that didrocks was going to appear
[11:11] <didrocks> ;)
[11:11] <didrocks> \o/
[11:11] <Trevinho> didrocks: don't troll us, 3rd world guys!
[11:11] <Trevinho> it's not kind
[11:11] <didrocks> well, I'm using wifi thus, so the gig… :)
[11:11] <Trevinho> :)
[11:12] <Trevinho> didrocks: how much is that?
[11:12] <didrocks> Trevinho: 30€/month (incl phone and tv)
[11:12] <Trevinho> wow
[11:13] <didrocks> yeah, quite nice :)
[11:13] <didrocks> most plans have 300Mbps for 38-39€
[11:13] <Trevinho> I'm 34 times slower paying just 10€ less (but because I've a good deal, main operators gives you 30Mbps for 45€, and nothing else included)
[11:14] <Trevinho> didrocks: and is that symmetric?
[11:14] <didrocks> Trevinho: no, but still 200Meg up
[11:14]  * Trevinho can now cry and go back to serious stuff
[11:14] <didrocks> :p
[11:15] <Trevinho> think that when I'm at my parents' home (in countryside) I've just a crappy 6/0.5 Mbps ADSL -_-
[11:16] <didrocks> well, my parents are at 2… so yeah, I know the feeling :)
[11:16] <hikiko> Trevinho, remember the bandwith in Changsha when you used vpn etc and stop complaining!
[11:16] <hikiko> your adsl is super fast :p
[11:16] <Trevinho> mh, right
[11:16] <Trevinho> well, that was super-fast... When you only needed Chinese stuff
[11:16] <didrocks> heh :)
[11:17] <hikiko> true
[11:26] <andyrock> good morning
[11:26] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[11:27] <andyrock> sleepy :D
[11:31] <qengho> good morning
[11:34] <didrocks> hey andyrock, qengho!
[11:44] <seb128> hey qengho
[11:45]  * happyaron wants to write something that changes wallpaper automatically
[11:45]  * happyaron will do it
[11:46] <Laney> "gsettings set" ?
[11:46] <happyaron> with some crawling functions
[11:47] <happyaron> and I love KDE
[11:48] <Laney> or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SlideshowWallpapers ?
[11:48] <happyaron> I know that and is dealing with the Kylin wallpapers...
[11:49] <happyaron> but I want to crawl wallpapers from some Internet sites and change to those wallpapers automatically
[11:49] <seb128> Laney, desrt, larsu, could https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/284909f1836f8bba8cc9703066f408c7bee28de6 be a glib bug?
[11:49] <seb128> g_menu_exporter_menu_items_changed assertion failed: (position + removed <= g_sequence_get_length (menu->item_links))
[11:49] <seb128> just have it when starting pidgin on my wily
[11:50] <seb128> we got a few recent similar reports
[11:55] <willcooke> desktoppers:  http://ubuntuonair.com/  <-- Snappy Clinic for people who want to learn a bit about Snappy.  It'll be recorded
[11:55] <willcooke> starts in about 30 mins
[11:55] <Trevinho> it works :)
[11:55] <andyrock> \o/
[11:55] <hikiko|ln> :D
[11:55] <willcooke> :D:D
[11:55] <seb128> what works?
[11:55]  * willcooke is loving the hellos as well
[11:55] <Trevinho> (ehm I meant the highlighting :P)
[11:55] <seb128> oh, keywords ;-)
[11:56]  * seb128 likes the hellos, the channel feels more active
[11:56] <willcooke> +1
[11:56] <Trevinho> it's tempting now to bother everyone by saying deskto***ppers at every second :D
[11:56] <seb128> lol
[11:57] <hikiko|ln> hey, could anyone write add a testimonial here (if you have some time I mean)? thanks in advance! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hikiko
[11:57] <hikiko|ln> :s/add//g
[11:57] <hikiko|ln> brb
[11:57] <didrocks> ok, I'm starting to hate javascript rendered page :p
[11:58] <didrocks> (yeah, I told that)
[11:58] <didrocks> I wonder how I can fix that in ubuntu make
[11:59] <seb128> hikiko|ln, sure
[11:59] <seb128> hikiko|ln, what do you apply for? ubuntu membership?
[11:59] <hikiko|ln> yes seb128
[11:59] <seb128> you should write it on the page ;-)
[12:01] <hikiko|ln> where? I was copying willcooke's page tbh :p plagiarism :p
[12:02] <hikiko|ln> sec
[12:03] <seb128> ok, maybe not
[12:03] <seb128> your page feels a bit light though
[12:03] <hikiko|ln> :|
[12:03] <seb128> maybe give some example of things you fixed
[12:04] <hikiko|ln> but there are all in lp and I wrote that I work on nux, compiz and unity... :)
[12:04]  * didrocks has a terrible idea… let's see how it goes
[12:04] <seb128> well, it's just my feeling, but the contributions and futur goals section could be a bit more verbose
[12:04] <seb128> but maybe it's fine
[12:05] <seb128> hikiko|ln, in any case I'm going to add something to your page ;-)
[12:05] <hikiko|ln> thanks a lot seb128 :)
[12:05] <seb128> yw!
[12:09] <willcooke> hikiko|ln, mutant star goat?  :)  HHGTTG ftw
[12:09]  * willcooke lives in perpetual fear of the time he calls The Coming Of The Great White Handkerchief
[12:10] <hikiko|ln> haha yes
[12:11] <hikiko> I am back from lunch btw I forgot the nick
[12:11] <hikiko> :p
[12:13]  * willcooke expects qengho knows these refs as well ^
[12:18] <didrocks> the evil solution worked \m/
[12:25] <seb128> didrocks, don't tell anyone about it then ;-)
[12:26] <didrocks> seb128: oh, I won't, I need to adapt tests for it though :p
[12:54] <larsu> seb128: [not sure if already answered above] could be, but it's more likely that someone is using the api wrong
[12:54] <larsu> seb128: shall I look into it?
[12:54] <seb128> larsu, if you want, but pidgin is gtk2, so if something is using it wrongly it's unity-gtk-module I guess?
[12:55] <seb128> so maybe one for attente?
[12:56] <Laney> Any special steps to make it happen?
[12:56] <seb128> no, it stopped doing it
[12:56] <seb128> "starting pidgin" did it the first 3 times
[12:56] <seb128> like clicking on the dash or starting from a command line
[12:57] <Laney> I started it like 10 times
[12:57] <seb128> yeah, it stopped doing it here now
[12:58] <larsu> yes, it's in unity-gtk-module
[12:58] <larsu> attente knows this much better than I (if he has time)
[12:59] <seb128> desrt, just crossed https://launchpadlibrarian.net/217269912/Stacktrace.txt which might interest you (or not), "g_file_monitor_source_handle_event: code should not be reached" bt in 2.45.7
[12:59] <attente> weird, unity-gtk-module hasn't really changed in over a year
[12:59] <larsu> maybe a menu in pidgin has and is hitting an edge case?
[13:00] <seb128> attente, I don't think that bug is new
[13:00] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1427739 seems similar
[13:00] <seb128> which is from 15.04 but just got a duplicate report from wily
[13:00] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/199262767/Stacktrace.txt
[13:01] <seb128> so maybe not happening often and just some coincidences
[13:02] <seb128> hum
[13:02] <seb128> closing pidgin just made unity-panel-service segfault
[13:03] <larsu> no problem! It restarts! WONTCLOSE
[13:03] <larsu> *WONTFIX
[13:03] <seb128> #0  0xffffffff in gtk_menu_tracker_model_changed (tracker=0xb452a5c0, tracker=0xb452a5c0, n_items=1, offset=<optimized out>, change_point=0xb450e30c)
[13:03] <seb128>     at /build/gtk+3.0-78a2wN/gtk+3.0-3.16.7/./gtk/gtkmenutracker.c:290
[13:03] <seb128> I can reproduce by exiting pidgin
[13:05] <seb128> oh, pidgin triggered apport as well, bug #1499318
[13:05] <qengho> willcooke: I didn't remember that handkerchief one. :(
[13:05] <seb128> I don't understand what those reports are though
[13:05] <seb128> recoverable errors?
[13:06] <seb128> what has a hook for that one?
[13:06] <larsu> hook?
[13:06] <seb128> well, that's not a segfault
[13:06] <seb128> it's an apport special type of report
[13:06] <seb128> but unsure who declared those and on what it triggers
[13:06] <seb128> well, the GMenuModelItemsChangedInvalidIndex apport report I mean
[13:07] <larsu> gcriticals?
[13:07] <seb128> the segfaults/assert are real
[13:09] <seb128> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12541905/ is the unity-panel-server segfault
[13:10] <seb128> position=-1
[13:10] <seb128> is that possible/normal?
[13:12] <seb128> shrug, and why is apport not triggering on u-p-s segfaults :-/
[13:15] <larsu> no, this shouldn't happen
[13:15] <larsu> off-by-one error somewhere in u-g-m?
[13:16] <seb128> bug #1499133 is the u-p-s segfault
[13:16] <seb128> attente, can you have a look? let me know if debug info would be useful
[13:17] <attente> seb128: yep, looking!
[13:17]  * Trevinho leaves for ~1hr
[13:17] <seb128> Trevinho, have fun!
[13:19] <seb128> hum, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1499117 is recent as well
[13:19] <seb128> 2.45.8/./gio/gmenumodel.c:400:g_menu_model_real_get_item_link: code should not be reached"
[13:20] <desrt> hello desktop
[13:20] <desrt> i am here
[13:20] <seb128> desrt, hey
[13:20] <seb128> desrt, good timing, some potential glib issues in the recent channel backlog :-)
[13:21] <desrt> i see that
[13:21] <desrt> the file monitor stuff?
[13:21] <seb128> I just mentioned that one because it's a "code should not be reached", I just saw 1 report
[13:22] <seb128> in case you would be interested
[13:22] <desrt> that sounds like my stuff :)
[13:22] <desrt> it asserts?  call desrt!
[13:22] <seb128> :-)
[13:30] <didrocks> hey desrt! :)
[13:48] <seb128> Laney, should we sync the new gst-fluendo-mp3 to wily?
[14:02] <Laney> seb128: probably don't want to drop packages now, wasn't going to bother
[14:04] <seb128> Laney, ok, it should fix bug #1358368 from the ChangeLog, I wonder if we should do some fix backporting then
[14:06] <Laney> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/182644117/gst-fluendo-mp3_0.10.29.debian-1_0.10.29.debian-1ubuntu1.diff.gz I think fixes the same bug
[14:06] <Laney> it turns off that code path anyway
[14:06] <seb128> yeah, I though so, unsure if that has side effect/if the official fix is better
[14:06] <seb128> anyway that can wait next cycle
[14:06] <seb128> thanks
[14:06] <Laney> probably is but I don't think they hve the bug
[14:06] <Laney> if you want to do it then grab the orig and 0ubuntu1 the update
[14:07] <seb128> k
[14:22] <attente> seb128: it stopped reproducing for you entirely now?
[14:22] <seb128> attente, which one? the pidgin or unity-panel-service one?
[14:23] <attente> the pidgin one
[14:23] <seb128> the ups segfault is easy to get by closing pidgin
[14:23] <seb128> I had it a few times again
[14:23] <seb128> I can try to get info if you want, tell me what you need
[14:23] <larsu> speaking of which... are we declaring chat on desktop dead or will we s/empathy/pidgin before the lts?
[14:24] <seb128> I would argue for empathy->piding if pidgin wasn't still gtk2
[14:24] <seb128> but it is
[14:24] <seb128> so unsure
[14:24] <seb128> that's one of the topics for London
[14:25] <attente> seb128: do you know if pidgin' parent or child process is crashing?
[14:25] <larsu> oh weird. Is there no activity on that one either?
[14:25] <seb128> attente, could be, it's behaving weirdly, like the buddy list is not showing sometime
[14:26] <attente> like i mean if you gdb pidgin with set-follow-fork to child, does it segfault there?
[14:26] <seb128> larsu, there is, but not a lot and gtk3 doesn't seem an obvious "must do" to everybody
[14:26] <attente> er. "set follow-fork-mode child"
[14:27] <seb128> [Inferior 2 (process 14960) exited normally]
[14:27] <seb128> (gdb) **
[14:27] <seb128> GLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/glib2.0-9TzlcR/glib2.0-2.45.8/./gio/gmenuexporter.c:256:g_menu_exporter_menu_items_changed: assertion failed: (position + removed <= g_sequence_get_length (menu->item_links))
[14:27] <attente> so i guess that means the parent is crashing?
[14:28] <attente> can you paste the bt for that?
[14:28] <seb128> attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12542582/
[14:28] <seb128> "that"?
[14:29] <seb128> attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12542593/
[14:29] <attente> oh, sorry, i meant reproduce, except without the "set-follow-fork-mode child"
[14:29] <seb128> let me install libunity-gtk2-parser.so.0 debigs
[14:29] <seb128> debugs
[14:29] <attente> thanks
[14:30] <attente> and libunity-gtk2-parser0-dbgsym too please
[14:30] <attente> er, sorry
[14:32] <seb128> attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12542615/
[14:34] <attente> seb128: thanks
[14:34] <seb128> yw
[14:34] <seb128> is that useful?
[14:36] <attente> not really sure yet tbh. probably not, seems to have pretty much the same info as the error report
[14:39] <seb128> attente, ups has some warnings
[14:39] <seb128> (unity-panel-service:17865): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_label_set_text_with_mnemonic: assertion 'str != NULL' failed
[14:40] <seb128> attente, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12542693/ is the bt of one of the warnings
[14:46] <seb128> attente, larsu, I've submenus with "No actions available" greyed section in pidgin, could that be a special case that confuses the parser?
[14:47] <seb128> like try to enable a bonjour account
[14:48] <seb128> larsu, attente, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/submenus.png
[14:48] <attente> seb128: seems like pidgin is explicitly adding that item
[14:48]  * didrocks waves good bye, going for some nap (getting more sick and I'll need to be on shape to focus on some doc tomorrow morning)
[14:49] <seb128> didrocks, get better!
[14:49] <didrocks> thx
[14:50] <seb128> attente, try enabling a bonjour account in pidgin and get online, that might be enough to trigger it for you as well?
[14:51] <seb128> hum
[14:52] <seb128> desrt, larsu, attente, that pidgin assert doesn't happen if I ld_library_load glib 2.44.1
[14:52] <seb128> LD_LIBRARY_PATH I mean
[14:53] <seb128> or ld_preload libglib-2.0.so.0.4400.1
[14:55] <attente> seb128: yeah... that definitely triggered it
[14:56] <seb128> attente, the bonjour account?
[14:56] <attente> seb128: yep
[14:56] <seb128> great
[14:56] <seb128> going to make easier to debug if it can be reproduced
[14:57] <attente> i'll try the older glib too...
[14:57] <seb128> well, it's going to work, it's pretty reliable
[14:57] <seb128> so something change in glib that makes your code grumpy
[14:59] <attente> git bisect? :)
[14:59] <seb128> you like those :-)
[15:04] <attente> seb128: yup, you're right :) bisecting...
[15:04] <seb128> hehe
[15:12] <andyrock> desrt: ping
[15:19] <seb128> attente, hum, starting gedit displays those warning
[15:19] <seb128> ** (gedit:21929): WARNING **: (../../../lib/unity-gtk-menu-shell.c:176):unity_gtk_menu_shell_show_item: code should not be reached
[15:20] <seb128> wonder if that's the same issue
[15:20] <seb128> that's new as well I think
[15:20] <attente> yeah... what's going on here?
[15:21] <Laney> woah
[15:21] <Laney> yeah if you enable the External Tools plugin...
[15:21] <Laney> ** (gedit:32245): WARNING **: (../../../lib/unity-gtk-menu-shell.c:176):unity_gtk_menu_shell_show_item: code should not be reached
[15:21] <Laney> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gedit/plugins/externaltools/windowactivatable.py:208: Warning: g_sequence_iter_next: assertion 'iter != NULL' failed ui_manager.ensure_update()
[15:21] <Laney> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gedit/plugins/externaltools/windowactivatable.py:208: Warning: g_sequence_iter_get_position: assertion 'iter != NULL' failed ui_manager.ensure_update()
[15:22] <Laney> **
[15:22] <Laney> GLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/glib2.0-h3kZN2/glib2.0-2.46.0/./gio/gmenuexporter.c:256:g_menu_exporter_menu_items_changed: assertion failed: (position + removed <= g_sequence_get_length (menu->item_links))
[15:22] <Laney> [1]    32245 abort (core dumped)  gedit
[15:22] <seb128> ah!
[15:22] <seb128> I'm not alone
[15:22] <Laney> it's a terrible club and I want to quit it
[15:22] <willcooke> :)
[15:22] <seb128> I think it's either the recent gtk or glib update, I would bet on glib since ldpreloading the old one fixes those
[15:22] <Laney> desrt always says that it is someone using the API wrong :)
[15:22] <seb128> haha
[15:23] <attente> lol
[15:32] <hikiko> willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/815996 did you manage to reproduce it? I saw your tag I was about to mark it as invalid
[15:35] <seb128> willcooke, bamf is sort of part of unity and it looks like it could benefit from a run of the script that close old apport segfault untouched bugs
[15:35] <hikiko> oops I have to go... see you later! :)
[15:36] <larsu> seb128: sort of?
[15:37] <seb128> larsu, well, I though it was used by some other docks/desktop environments nowadays
[15:37] <seb128> but yeah
[15:39] <larsu> not sure, might be
[15:41] <Trevinho> seb128: Yes... There's not much to close there, but ok
[15:43] <larsu> bamf is perfect
[15:43] <Trevinho> It is :-P
[15:43] <seb128> Trevinho, there is a stack of old segfaults in _XReply
[15:43] <seb128> script closing them would be nice
[15:44] <Trevinho> Sure...
[16:01] <andyrock> and a script to close all the bugs that are marked need-design and start with 7*
[16:01] <andyrock> :D
[16:02] <larsu> pretty sure it "needs design" "P
[16:02] <andyrock> :F
[16:02] <andyrock> :D
[16:03] <andyrock> the script can close them with a nice comment
[16:03] <andyrock> something like
[16:03] <andyrock> "this design is s**t"
[16:03] <andyrock> ahah :D
[16:31] <desrt> andyrock: hi
[16:32] <andyrock> desrt: hey! I'm debugging a indicator-appmenu memory leak
[16:32] <andyrock> basically it seems like that some (quite a lot) memory is not freed when an application is closed
[16:32] <desrt> event_type=4294967295
[16:32] <desrt> curious
[16:33] <desrt> andyrock: that's correct.
[16:33] <andyrock> i'm using G_SLICE=debug-blocks G_DEBUG=gc-friendly valgrind
[16:33] <desrt> just use G_SLICE=always-malloc
[16:33] <andyrock> well i used that too
[16:33] <desrt> but don't expect glib to release all memory before it quits.  we just don't do that.
[16:33] <andyrock> but I'm getting too much noice
[16:33] <andyrock> *noise
[16:33] <desrt> ignore the reachable bits and focus on the unreachable stuff
[16:34] <desrt> we've had an idea to support freeing all memory on exit (not enabled normally) in order to help reduce valgrind noise but the effort stalled for a couple of reasons
[16:34] <desrt> it's _extremely_ difficult to do this in a nice way
[16:35] <andyrock> k valgrind should work too in this case? I mean indicator-appmenu is a library
[16:35] <desrt> yes.  you just have to know how to use valgrind properly
[16:35] <andyrock> so I'm just loading it using  indicator-loader
[16:35] <andyrock> not sure if valgrind can help in this case
[16:36] <desrt> andyrock: valgrind reports reachable, maybe-reachable and unreachable blocks
[16:36] <desrt> you need to only look at the unreachable stuff....
[16:53] <seb128> nessita, hey, did you see my ping the other day? ;-)
[16:54] <seb128> ups, sorry, ctrl-W with wrong win
[17:06]  * Laney sniggers
[17:08] <seb128> Laney, nervous one?
[17:08] <Laney> sort of
[17:08] <Laney> it's more HAHAHA UPLOADING GSTREAMER STACK THEN IMMEDIATELY LEAVING
[17:08] <Laney> but it will be frozen anyway
[17:08] <Laney> so :(
[17:08] <seb128> hehe
[17:09] <seb128> have fun!
[17:09]  * seb128 is going to call it a day soon
[17:09] <seb128> spent most day in launchpad reviewing bugs and triaging/picking things that should be fixed in the next cycles
[17:10] <Laney> some time in the swamp
[17:10] <Laney> good for the skin
[17:16] <seb128> lol
[17:21] <Laney> ttyl
[17:25] <desrt> i'm going to head out to go to seneca@york soon
[17:25] <desrt> i left my laptop's power adaptor there during the X developers conference and i need to go pick it up
[17:25] <desrt> i'll be in the subway, so no net access
[17:25] <desrt> will be back later in the afternoon
[17:26] <desrt> i will not be around during tomorrow, hoever.  i will be driving a car to cincinnati
[17:28] <seb128> desrt, drive safely!
[17:32] <willcooke> safe travels desrt
[17:34] <kgunn> willcooke: hey do you know when the wily beta is gonna be cut and the freeze will be over ?
[17:35] <willcooke> kgunn, aiui freeze in to wily won't be over now, so you'll have to wait until X is open
[17:36] <willcooke> Final beta freeze is today
[17:36] <willcooke> kgunn, final freeze is Oct 15
[17:36] <kgunn> willcooke: right, my understanding is things could at least move into proposed once the beta has been curated
[17:36] <kgunn> eg today
[17:36] <kgunn> willcooke: otherwise the whole idea of dual landing is borked
[17:39]  * Trevinho leaving again for some football (soccer, meh) playing.... Back later
[17:39] <kgunn> situation is such...dual landing happened last night of mir/u-s-c, freeze happens
[17:39] <willcooke> kgunn, well, I guess there is a difference between bugs and features right
[17:39] <willcooke> if you're talking about bugs, then final freeze is Oct 15
[17:39] <kgunn> pkgs migrate to vivid+o, but sit in "UNAPPROVED" queue for wily due to freeze
[17:39] <kgunn> this is worst case
[17:40] <kgunn> b/c we can't  even force merge etc
[17:40] <kgunn> meaning, anything in this state can't have anything else landed
[17:40] <kgunn> little bit better state is to at least have those pkgs go to proposed pocket
[17:41] <kgunn> where we can force merge, and continue landing (and overwriting whatever is in proposed)
[17:41] <seb128> kgunn, try asking on #ubuntu-release
[17:41] <seb128> but things that are phone specific should be let through
[17:41] <seb128> things in mir/used somewhere else needs manual ack
[18:02] <kgunn> seb128: thanks and tried asking on #ubuntu-release... crickets
[18:46] <willcooke> g'night all
[19:38] <andyrock> eod
[19:38] <andyrock> night all
[19:38] <andyrock> !
[21:23] <robert_ancell> hi all
[22:29] <attente> good night
[22:33] <TheMuso> Morning folks.
[22:51] <Trevinho> 'night