[00:18] * TheMuso returns. [02:07] good night all [03:05] 'night (or morning) all [03:07] Trevinho: Heh. Night [03:07] (morning) [03:07] and soon afternoon [03:07] :-) === thumper is now known as thumper-afk [04:56] bye all [05:06] good morning [05:09] Hey didrocks. Feeling better today? [05:14] TheMuso: not really, woke up at 2am and couldn't sleep again until 4… [05:14] TheMuso: thanks for asking though :) [05:14] nothing really worrying, it's just a cold, but enough to feel uneasy [05:15] didrocks: Yeah, I know. [05:20] Good morning [05:22] hey pitti! [05:22] bonjour didrocks ! [05:30] hello all [05:33] hey hikiko [06:01] goood morning (from mission: at conference)! [06:07] hey Sweet5hark [06:08] didrocks: heya. [06:40] good morning desktopers! [06:41] hey seb128 [06:41] seb128: heya [06:41] re didrocks :-) [06:41] hey Sweet5hark [06:44] bonjour seb128 ! [06:45] pitti, hey, wie gehts? [06:45] seb128: gut, danke! [06:45] seb128: a bit tired, two hours of Badminton on Tue and two hours of Basketball last night take some toll :) [06:45] but it was great [06:45] :-) [06:46] I had 3 hours of tennis yesterday, feeling a bit tired as well today [06:47] seb128: 3! wow [06:47] yeah, it was fun ;-) [06:48] they do mixed groups on wednesday evening, anyone can show up and they and each hours there is a round where you play with different people [06:49] -and they [06:49] seb128: oh, that's fun! so you don't adjust too much to only one or two players [06:49] right [06:49] it's also often doubles [06:49] depending of the number of people showing up [06:49] great fun ;-) [06:50] I often do two rounds but I stayed for a third one yesterday [06:54] * pitti -> allergy shot, bbl [07:02] re; ironically, the doctor is ill [07:03] ah :p [07:03] seems like you didn't have to go far at least [07:04] no, just 2 mins walking [07:12] ahoy [07:13] hey willcooke [07:13] Hey willcooke. :) [07:15] morning willcooke === maclin1 is now known as maclin [07:29] good morning! [07:29] *yawn* [07:31] hey larsu, seb128, TheMuso, didrocks [07:31] morning larsu [07:31] hey larsu TheMuso [07:32] hehe that was quick [08:02] hi ;-) (-; [08:03] morning Laney! [08:03] yay [08:03] it's larsu! [08:03] hey Laney! [08:03] hey hey Laney [08:04] hey hey hey Laney [08:04] oh it just gets better and better [08:04] hey pitti and didrocks [08:04] you just broke the chain :/ [08:04] forget that [08:04] i'm too happy to see everyone [08:04] awesome :) [08:04] even in textual form [08:04] what's up? [08:05] hey Laney, how are you? [08:05] not much. Drinkning tea after a night drinking a lot of beer [08:05] *drinking even [08:06] larsu: pink killer? [08:06] seb128: MAN, YOU AS WELL [08:06] nah, good old flensburger [08:07] Laney, stop shouting, larsu has an hangover! [08:07] hehe [08:07] not really [08:07] it wasn't *that* much [08:08] * pitti hands larsu some Gurken [08:12] morning... [08:12] pitti: danke und gtuen morgen :) [08:12] Trevinho, hey :-) [08:12] how are you? [08:12] larsu: so, you drink, and I'm the sick guy, unfair! [08:12] hey Trevinho [08:13] didrocks: get better! [08:13] NOW [08:13] if only things were so simple [08:13] didrocks: argh, cold caught you after all? :-( [08:14] A bit tired, but ok (last night I closed my editor at 5 :-P) [08:14] pitti: yeah, I didn't resist Julie's microbes… [08:14] pitti: but of course *she* now feels really well… [08:14] bah [08:14] didrocks: you're supposed to not resist *her*, not her microbes [08:14] ;) [08:14] * pitti hugs didrocks [08:15] * didrocks hugs pitti back [08:15] didrocks: some guy at basketball had a cold as well yesterday, I hope I did't catch it [08:15] otherwise I'll bring the ubuflu to Budapest [08:15] pitti: argh, yeah, keep strong then to not be patient 0 :) [08:17] * Laney watched Cordon a few weeks ago [08:17] that was a fun series [08:17] (speaking of patient 0...) [08:17] I don't get the reference [08:17] but only ~ 8 more OITNB episodes, afterwards I need a new series; is that a good one? [08:19] It's about the outbreak of a virus :) [08:19] yeah, it's not too deep but still quite fun [08:20] ah, not on netflix [08:21] the BBC was showing it [08:21] even though it from Belgium [08:22] * TheMuso -> EOD. Goodnight folks. [08:22] I guess they started looking for non-English series to buy after the Killing proved so popular [08:22] bye TheMuso! [08:22] g'night TheMuso [08:23] see you TheMuso [08:23] davidcalle, looks like the fix from https://code.launchpad.net/~submarine/unity-scope-zotero/trunk never landed in Ubuntu, do you think you can get that uploaded? [08:24] Trevinho, stop working so late! or sleep longer next day ;-) [08:24] Trevinho, what did you hack on all night? [08:24] seb128, what year is it? [08:25] :-) [08:25] lol [08:25] davidcalle, I saw it when reviewing bugs with patches [08:25] seb128: the more I work in the scrollbars, the more issues I find... [08:25] Trevinho, :-( [08:26] seb128: I'm more focused when I've the long night for me ... [08:26] And if something blocks me.... Then I just can't stop [08:26] typical hacker behaviour ;-) [08:26] seb128, thanks, I'll look into demoting that package from the distro asap ;-) [08:26] davidcalle, wfm, less code to maintain! [08:27] Sort of ;-) [08:27] Trevinho, willcooke, do we expect the scrollbar changes to land for wily? we probably need ffe/uife for that [08:27] seb128, more seriously, I don't even know if it still works, the maintainer has lost interest, I'll see what I can do about that [08:28] seb128: in terms of UI nothing changes for the screenshots or... Anything docs related [08:28] davidcalle, it's really a minor detail, unsure if anyone use that service, I just mentioned it because if we ship it we can as well have it to work [08:28] seb128, indeed [08:28] But as you prefer [08:28] Trevinho, well, it does, we don't have overlay scroll thumbs anymore, right? [08:29] well, I prefer less work [08:29] maybe Laney has an opinion [08:29] "the more issues I find" sounds worrying to slide in late :) [08:29] Laney, do you think the scrollbar change in unity is a ffe? [08:29] willcooke, I'll send you a mail soon about old python scopes we still ship and should kill :) [08:29] davidcalle, nice, that ties in with something I was going to talk to seb128 about [08:29] :) [08:29] seb128: Yes, but that's only shown in mouse over and I don't think anyone used those for docs, but we can ask an UI fe [08:30] Trevinho, yeah, we'll need a UI FE [08:30] Trevinho, well, it's more the ffe, as Laney said, if it's non trivial code change and has potential to create issues it needs a risk/benefit evaluation [08:30] Laney: not in the new code, but issues that are alredy there for years [08:31] well... [08:31] I don't think it's really bad to ride the time based release cycle instead of pushing risky things through the freeze [08:32] but if you think it will have 0 new bugs then file the request and see what happens [08:33] * didrocks is fighting our jenkins tests system again… [08:33] Trevinho, Trevinho Trevinho ping! [08:33] #ubuntukylin-devel [08:34] We need to decide which is better: New OSB in some/most apps and old OSB in the dash but we know it's status vs same OSB in dash and apps and the risk therein [08:35] Personally, I think having different OSB in the dash vs apps is worth a FFE to fix [08:35] Laney: I don't think there are new bugs... It's just that there were bugs inside nux or the dash, that we just ignored till now... And since I'm there I don't want to leave them around [08:36] willcooke: +1, but then, we need to evaluate the risk (but yeah, we already have enough inconsistency in that area to not add more) [08:37] I guess you could evaluate the code, it's actually a simplification of things [08:38] The procedure is that you file the bug and make your arguments in there [08:39] You might want to get a PPA which other people can try too [08:41] Laney: yeah, as always... [08:55] Trevinho, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1446081 has a 1 liner patch to use GTK_ICON_LOOKUP_FORCE_SIZE, could you review it? [08:55] Ubuntu bug 1446081 in unity (Ubuntu) "Incorrect scaling of launcher icons" [Medium,Confirmed] [08:58] seb128: ok [08:58] Trevinho, thanks [08:58] I'll check that after the meeting with kylin === maclin1 is now known as maclin [09:27] hi [09:27] attente: !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? [09:27] attente: err... [09:27] insomnia? [09:28] working early [09:28] in order to go out bouldering in the afternoon [09:28] yes? [09:28] yup! [09:28] \o/ [09:28] to both maybe... [09:29] hey attente [09:29] attente: morning! [09:30] attente: morning [09:30] good morning guys :) [09:30] morning attente ;) [09:30] hey happyaron, you around! :) [09:31] attente, seems there is a patch on bug #1226962 , do you know if that's still an issue/maybe you could have a look to the change to see if it makes sense? [09:31] bug 1226962 in unity-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Hotkeys not functional in non-latin keyboard layout" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1226962 [09:36] seb128: sure, i think one of those is from the ppa that we couldn't add to archive because holding shift would change the layout back if the switching shortcut used shift [09:36] attente, oh, ok [09:45] morning attente [10:05] larsu: as per bug 1446081, do you think we should always use GTK_ICON_LOOKUP_FORCE_SIZE in unity? As we currently do it in /some/ places... While it seems that it changed its behavior recently [10:05] bug 1446081 in unity (Ubuntu) "Incorrect scaling of launcher icons" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1446081 [10:05] going for lunch with my sister in mitte, might be gone for a bit longer than usual [10:05] Trevinho: sorry about the timing. I'll have look when I'm back [10:05] Trevinho: have you noticed that d-feet's icon in the dash is weird? [10:06] you get the top left quarter or so [10:06] Laney: yeah, no worries [10:06] HA [10:06] Laney: it might be the same thing [10:06] Laney: we use it /somewhere/ [10:06] Trevinho: short answer: we should for application icons [10:06] and fix the theme for others [10:06] actually this only happens on my laptop but not desktop [10:06] weird [10:06] larsu: even for indicators? [10:06] Laney: your laptop is lying [10:07] clearly [10:07] Trevinho: indicators have app icons as well (messaging menu, sound) [10:07] ok, ok [10:07] * Trevinho puts it everywhere [10:07] So normal behavior is now that we try to get the icon with size that is closer to the one we requested, right? [10:08] (by using lookup with size) [10:08] Laney: my d-feet is fine, though [10:09] WOAH gnome-screenshot crashed [10:09] Laney, d-feet is fine here, your laptop is hidpi/use scaling? [10:10] ye [10:10] Laney: 2x? [10:10] maybe has to do with it? [10:10] 2× indeed [10:10] * Trevinho adds that [10:12] Laney: ok, that triggers it [10:16] if this same fix doesn't resolve it then I'll file a bug [10:16] not that urgent, I only notice it on d-feet [10:16] Laney: I guess it's a different thing [10:17] Laney: yeah, but it's caused by something else, so I'd like to know what [10:17] probably because gtk image use scaling for loading them... [10:17] while we do that by ourselves [10:17] if you right click it then the icon is correct there [10:17] like... load_at_scale... [10:17] yep, I saw it [10:18] alright, I'll file it, just for you :) [10:19] :) [10:20] * Trevinho opened unity at 2x in his non-hdpi monitor... and well, wow... How nice it is!?! [10:20] You should give a try to 4x to see the same thing :D [10:21] in dash we've just low quality "arrows", but they should be fixed soon [10:24] Laney: we've the same also with Trusty's gtk/gio... And, can you scroll your full app list to see if you see something else? [10:25] (that's the only one for me) [10:25] seems to be d-feet only [10:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1498712 look at all these bugs we don't have enough time to fix... :) willcooke Trevinho I guess that's important too isn't it? (accessibility + we have wrong position calculations when the desktop is transformed, in this case zoomed) [10:35] Ubuntu bug 1498712 in Compiz "Screenshot while zoom grab different area" [High,Confirmed] [10:36] I think the offset has the size of the scaled decoration from a first quick look [10:36] hikiko: maybe it's something good to have Kylin people involved on those bugs, too [10:37] yes :) if you could help in any way that would be great happyaron ! many thanks! [10:38] hikiko: I saw the meeting with them was canceled, would be nice to raise it in next one [10:38] sure happyaron :) will do! [10:39] hikiko, that bug... I think it's worth putting on the list, but low priority [10:44] ok willcooke changed to low [10:45] oh noes... [10:45] willcooke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1102024 [10:45] Ubuntu bug 1102024 in compiz (Ubuntu) "[regression] Restoring a maximized Gnome Terminal window with keybinding fails to restore the original geometry" [Medium,Triaged] [10:45] our window ordering... seems to be wrong [10:45] if I open gimp [10:46] (with toolbox) [10:46] and then press the ctrl+super+up/down as he says [10:46] the toolbox is on top of the maximized window [10:46] terminal works fine for me [10:46] lemme try gimp [10:47] happyaron: hey, we cancelled the next meeting because they told me there's a big national holiday during that time, not the next ones... [10:47] happyaron: I mentioned about that also in the past meetings, but they're quite busy in doing new stuff now, so I hope they'll find time for bugs as well [10:48] it's because you don't have many win per application willcooke [10:48] gimp has 3 windows [10:48] and doesn't work well with gnome terminal :/ [10:48] bug report says terminal [10:48] works fine for me [10:48] I'll try 15.10 [10:48] I'll upload the video in a minute [10:49] hikiko: so I'm getting that, however enhanced zoom is not enabled yet by default, and that's something we should actually do.... But We'd need the fix for launcher/dash before :) [10:52] I kno I kno... [10:52] :/ [10:52] btw willcooke Trevinho https://transfer.sh/qEy90/maximized-term.ogv [10:52] that's what I mean :/ [10:53] hikiko, opening behind gimp windows? [10:53] exactly willcooke [10:53] that's probably not a bug [10:53] although it's maximized [10:53] and it has the focus [10:53] and all windows are normal [10:53] gimp tool box windows are Utility Windows by default [10:53] (not always on top for example) [10:54] so utility windows are on top of the maximized ones? [10:54] hikiko: ahhhh... [10:54] no if I do the same on xfce [10:54] the maximized win covers everything [10:54] hikiko: I think that's a requirement of gimp, in order to be able to use it when the picture is maximzed [10:54] or not? [10:54] no, if you have a 2nd indow manager or DE [10:55] you can try to do the same [10:55] and the maximized win goes on top [10:55] Gimp -> Prefs -> Window Management (near the bottom) -> Hint for docks and toolbox -> Set to normal window -> try again [10:55] ! [10:55] ok [10:55] let me see [10:55] willcooke: what about making gimp to be default in single-window mode, btw? I guess people coming from other™ OS® would prefer that [10:55] oh, and re-load gimp [10:55] Trevinho, yeah, I use it it single window mode all the time [10:56] and it will be for pocket desktop I expect [10:56] indeed it's not installed by default, so it shouldn't be much under our radar, but I guess that forcing that would be a nice addition [10:56] Trevinho, for everyone who likes it, there will be someone who does not. I don't think it's worth changing, but I don't really mind either way [10:57] anyway, that bug says terminal max and terminal restore sets the window to be still full screen - which is not what we are seeing [10:57] Trevinho: yes Oct 1-7 will be National day holidays [10:57] indeed... But well, the thing is that: who already used it knows that can change things from settings. Instead the first-time user feeling that gets three windows opened is: "what the f....?!?" [10:58] happyaron: I love your holidays :D [10:58] Trevinho, fair point [10:59] I thought we had many national holidays here, but well... Chinese people beaten Italians again :) [10:59] (actually we've less NH than UK I think) [10:59] LOL [10:59] Trevinho: we only have like 9 days iirc [10:59] https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/china/ [11:00] SRSLY [11:00] willcooke, I changed to normal and I still get the bug [11:00] http://edge.alluremedia.com.au/uploads/businessinsider/2015/01/Wego.jpg [11:00] "bug" [11:00] maybe it's not [11:00] hikiko, ?!?!?! wmf :D [11:00] wfm [11:01] italy has 11, but it's flexible as we don't have bank days as in UK, so if an holiday is during the weekend we loose it :( (So I guess, it happens everywhere else) [11:01] hikiko, trying on 15.10 [11:01] urgh [11:01] downloading gimp @ 45k a sec [11:02] nice [11:02] no no [11:02] willcooke, [11:02] no [11:02] Laney: difference is iirc china get no other days off that is like our 25 plus national [11:02] pebcak! [11:02] \o/ [11:02] gimp needed reboot [11:02] restart [11:02] sorry [11:02] :p [11:02] nw [11:02] cool one bug less! [11:03] \m/ [11:03] * willcooke didn't know about utility windows until now [11:03] I wonder if u8 supports that [11:03] willcooke: I don't think so :) [11:03] I should speak to robert_ancell about them in xmir rootless [11:04] willcooke: there was a discussion IIRC and a doc about this (by JohnLea) [11:04] ah, kk [11:04] (i might find it if you want) [11:04] * Trevinho hopes in drive domain search [11:05] hikiko: I was looking at https://trello.com/b/9YvUSYqq/unity-7, it looks like you've three tasks in progress... I guess you can adjust them to reflect proper status [11:05] Trevinho, I remember reading it - it was about a million pages long [11:06] s/remember/read it but forgot all the content [11:06] willcooke: however, I don't think gimp will run natively there until we don't get the gtk3 port [11:07] (not sure what's its status) [11:07] yeah, it'll be Xmir, but maybe xmir rootless [11:07] *maybe* [11:07] It's funny that the GimpToolKit is at 3.0 (heading to 4.0), and gimp is still on 2 [11:08] urgh - gimp downloading at 17k sec now. I think my router needs a reboot [11:08] do you have fiber or what? [11:08] 2 x vdsl [11:08] ah, nice... I've VDSL as well. But just one :o [11:08] how much is the speed there? [11:08] in theory I should be able to download a from a single server @ 40 Mbps [11:08] ah, so... 40 x2.. [11:09] If I'm downloading from multiple servers (e.g. iso torrents of Ubuntu) then I should be able to hit 80 -> 100 Mbps [11:09] Mh, I've 30 Mbps, but they should be upgrade it to 50 at some point.... And next year FTTH finally (300Mbps). [11:09] * Trevinho dreams [11:10] I went from 8 Mbps x 2 to 40/50 (depending on the weather) x 2 [11:10] I thought that would be soooo much that I could drop one of the lines [11:10] but no [11:10] Ahah [11:10] MOAR GBS [11:10] Well, at the end if you end up in a server that is not responsive as it should, it doesn't matter [11:10] (as probably in this case) [11:11] * didrocks loves his FTTH at 1Gbps [11:11] ok Trevinho [11:11] HAHA [11:11] /o\ [11:11] I added some activity :p [11:11] i knew that didrocks was going to appear [11:11] ;) [11:11] \o/ [11:11] didrocks: don't troll us, 3rd world guys! [11:11] it's not kind [11:11] well, I'm using wifi thus, so the gig… :) [11:11] :) [11:12] didrocks: how much is that? [11:12] Trevinho: 30€/month (incl phone and tv) [11:12] wow [11:13] yeah, quite nice :) [11:13] most plans have 300Mbps for 38-39€ [11:13] I'm 34 times slower paying just 10€ less (but because I've a good deal, main operators gives you 30Mbps for 45€, and nothing else included) [11:14] didrocks: and is that symmetric? [11:14] Trevinho: no, but still 200Meg up [11:14] * Trevinho can now cry and go back to serious stuff [11:14] :p [11:15] think that when I'm at my parents' home (in countryside) I've just a crappy 6/0.5 Mbps ADSL -_- [11:16] well, my parents are at 2… so yeah, I know the feeling :) [11:16] Trevinho, remember the bandwith in Changsha when you used vpn etc and stop complaining! [11:16] your adsl is super fast :p [11:16] mh, right [11:16] well, that was super-fast... When you only needed Chinese stuff [11:16] heh :) [11:17] true === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [11:26] good morning [11:26] hey andyrock, how are you? [11:27] sleepy :D [11:31] good morning [11:34] hey andyrock, qengho! [11:44] hey qengho [11:45] * happyaron wants to write something that changes wallpaper automatically [11:45] * happyaron will do it [11:46] "gsettings set" ? [11:46] with some crawling functions [11:47] and I love KDE [11:48] or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SlideshowWallpapers ? [11:48] I know that and is dealing with the Kylin wallpapers... [11:49] but I want to crawl wallpapers from some Internet sites and change to those wallpapers automatically [11:49] Laney, desrt, larsu, could https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/284909f1836f8bba8cc9703066f408c7bee28de6 be a glib bug? [11:49] g_menu_exporter_menu_items_changed assertion failed: (position + removed <= g_sequence_get_length (menu->item_links)) [11:49] just have it when starting pidgin on my wily [11:50] we got a few recent similar reports [11:55]