[00:03] Good morning, darkxst :) is there any chance the current images will have a re-spin? [06:59] amjjawad, there was a respin today I believe [06:59] though now I see your emails, so you already know that! [07:19] morning [08:01] darkxst, can I mark that plymouth initramfs bug report as invalid? I am unable to reproduce on my end. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/+bug/1494201 [08:01] Ubuntu bug 1494201 in Ubuntu GNOME "update initramfs when installing plymouth theme" [High,In progress] [08:50] darkxst you here? [09:03] darkxst, yes, that's the beauty of being on IRC when it's the milestone release day hehe [09:04] hello octoquad and Inoki ;) [09:04] Hi Ali, replying to your mail. [09:04] Hi Inoki, which email? guess I'll wait then :D [09:05] hi amjjawad how are you? [09:05] hi octoquad, not very good but not too bad either .. how about you? [09:05] yeah i'm ok thanks. :) [09:06] that's good to know, octoquad [09:06] it seems that only very few of us are testing and using the ISO tracker :( [09:06] you, me, Lance and someone else not sure who [09:07] I fail to understand what's so hard about ISO tracker that people avoid it? :/ [09:08] hmm, it was a bit confusing when first starting, but I think over time it gets easier. [09:10] indeed but still sad that only very few are using it .. [09:11] the problem is, we can't tell who is testing and who is not unless using the ISO Tracker. Well, I know bugs report is kind of a way to know but it won't give you accurate data at all. [09:11] For example, there might be 10 people testing and none of them find any bug. [09:11] might be related to free time people don't have when testing is required, I think reminders a 2 weeks before hand, if possible might get people prepared if they are interested in testing. [09:11] How would we know that? without using the ISO tracker? I don't think we can. [09:12] yes, that makes sense as well. [09:12] octoquad, that's useless if you ask me. Beta 2 images are ready only 48horus before it's released [09:12] sure, but we have a good idea when they will arrive. [09:13] unless you mean only a reminder, that's something else. In fact, the best way ever is to keep sending this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases [09:13] I always check this link [09:14] Yes, a friendly reminder, maybe a week before looking at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule [09:14] just throwing ideas out there :) [09:15] you're right [09:15] I was fighting with: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1462688 [09:15] Ubuntu bug 1462688 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Wily) "ubi-timezone failed exit code 1 error when installing UbuntuStudio Wily-15.10 32bit version" [Critical,In progress] [09:15] I left some notes [09:17] amjjawad, interesting, I didn't hit that bug with three installs today. [09:17] some people still can't produce it so I understand where you're coming from [09:20] Inoki, that's why I hate written communications :D [09:20] If it was possible otherwise... [09:20] always and I mean always people will get you wrong, no matter how hard you try ;) [09:21] Yes, it is possible but YOU ALL disagreed. [09:21] About? [09:21] I have asked you all to do Google hangout just like what Ubuntu tea does [09:21] team* [09:21] but then again, you guys refused :) [09:21] I am not going to reply that email [09:21] It's not that I disagreed, I cannot because of borked hardwared. [09:21] I am going to write here [09:21] hardware [09:21] You misunderstood me big time! [09:21] I only replied to what I read. [09:22] It was stated there directly, plain and clear. [09:22] I was NOT accusing you, I was actually AGREEING with your approach. By not asking the public for their opinion and ONLY ask those who are decision makers ;) [09:22] That's the reasonable approach to take. [09:22] you misunderstood what I wrote ;) [09:22] and I was AGREEING with it :) [09:23] not the way you understood it [09:23] Perhaps, a bit, but then again I couldn't help it. I am quite a sensitivite one and things like these I often, even unwillingly, take personally. [09:23] I know [09:23] can I be honest? [09:23] You have to [09:23] Even if it's bad [09:24] you're the most sensitive member within our family and I know I need to think twice and be very careful with you! [09:24] I can handle it, no problem but I am just trying to say that I know that fact about you :D [09:24] I often speak my mind, and sometimes it doesn't sound nice. But then again the world isn't nice either. [09:24] If you can't find nice people, be one [09:25] the world is nice, it's we who are making it worse [09:25] by we, I mean the entire human race [09:25] True that. Change yourself and the world might change too. [09:25] Yep [09:25] So, don't take it personally ;) [09:25] Roger that [09:25] I have nothing against anyone [09:25] Everyone knows me within Ubuntu [09:25] I hate no one [09:25] Ops, I lied. I hate Microsoft :D [09:25] haha [09:25] Scumbags :D [09:25] + Apple :D [09:25] hahah [09:26] How's progress with the teams btw? [09:26] Ah, that one [09:27] something is not going the way I want [09:27] I've been meaning to ask about the marketing + design merge, but haven't heard/read anything. [09:27] And again about meetings - I cannot attend audio/video, my microphone works only under Windows. [09:27] darkxst, is focusing on the names of the sub-teams while I focus on the function of each [09:28] Inoki, use Windows and I won't tell anyone :D [09:28] Ah, to be honest, I gave up :D Ubuntu GNOME is the only project I contributed to it and had only 2-3 meetings for 3 years :D [09:28] haha [09:28] My gf still uses Windows and I can't convince here despite the fact she loves Gnome, but she can't have Adobe, she can't have games she plays on it... [09:29] I am moving away from everything, I even got an Ubuntu Phone. [09:29] I understand and when I started StartUbuntu project, I learned and understood that GNU/Linux is not for everyone .. [09:29] Really? YAY :D [09:30] not sure when that will be available here in down under [09:30] Aquaris E5 HD, but it's not so good. [09:30] Oh :( [09:30] I mean design yes, HD yes, but it freezes a lot, hangs, not many apps, those that are are buggy. [09:30] But it has crystal clear sound on the phone. [09:31] I think they need more time until things start to be better [09:31] by the way Inoki :D hehe .. if you just waited and read my other reply, you would have understood what I was talking about :P heheh [09:31] but never mind, cased solved :D [09:32] What I dislike about Ubuntu is they release prematurely, which is not a wise strategy. People can be disappointed just as me. I wait for the next OTA and if it won't bring necessary improvements I'm afraid I'll have to revert back to Android for the time being. [09:32] Yeah, noticed that after I wrote the email... [09:32] bummer [09:32] hahaha [09:32] no worries ;) [09:33] I'd appreciate if you send another email saying that case solved after chatting with me on IRC :D [09:33] I will reply to the other one. [09:33] no problem [09:33] octoquad, all is good here :D how was your testing? [09:34] I won't mark them as ready yet. I'll do that before going to bed. It's 19:33 here [09:35] no problems on my end. [09:35] Don't have time for the i386 tests unfortunately. I hope someone can assist with those today *holds thumbs* [09:36] Hi Inoki, apologies for not greeting earlier [09:36] octoquad, refresh ;) [09:36] Hey octoquad, no worries, how's it going? [09:36] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/346/builds/102954/testcases [09:36] beautiful! [09:37] :D [09:37] octoquad glad to hear that :3 [09:37] I downloaded the ISO [09:37] that's as far as I got haha [09:37] xD [09:37] that's the beauty of Virtual Machines :d [09:37] :D [09:37] Haha [09:37] still you helped us :D thanks for testing amd64 :D [09:37] no problem [09:38] guys, did you see the youtube for GNOME 3.18? :D [09:38] Yeah, about that testing... I am yet to get my machine back. ricotz told me yesterday good news, that the latest AMD Catalyst will be a part of the fglrx bundle in Ubuntu, so I will get to use Wily after all :3 [09:38] I fell in love with 3.18 [09:39] I loved that YouTube video :D WOW [09:39] Inoki, how many machines (real) you have? [09:39] Absolutely amazing work done there [09:39] I'm on my gf's old machine now, running Vivid [09:39] Smooth n' slick [09:40] 3 laptops 1 tablet 2 phones [09:40] If we could just include that with 15.10 .. it would be super [09:40] One of my proposals as part of the merged marketing + design team would be to try and attract more developers to the cause. [09:40] I'd love that [09:40] I know the easiest part would be to offer money, wish I had so much >.> [09:41] haha [09:41] if we had money, none of us would be here :P [09:41] I haven't seen it. Please share the link [09:41] octoquad, one second [09:41] If I had money, I would back this project, fund developers. I know, sounds like kid dreams, but I know I would do it. [09:41] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu0VSKvfNEI [09:42] Inoki, I'd do the same without thinking twice [09:42] I've been helping FOSS world for 5 years now without getting one single $ [09:42] I was on Unity from long but privacy concerns drove me away from that desktop. It was also considerable slower on older machines. GNOME, on the other hand, runs like butter [09:42] among all the projects I contributed to, by far, Ubuntu GNOME is the best [09:43] funny that I hated GNOME 3 and Unity so I moved to Lubuntu. 2 years with Lubuntu then I joined Ubuntu GNOME. Since then, I didn't switched nor even thought about it .. I don't want to leave Ubuntu GNOME [09:43] yay [09:44] looks good! [09:44] :D [09:45] Inoki, that was my reason to move as well. [09:45] The way I see it, I do this for 2 reasons, 1) I love the project, 2) it helps me grow personally and as an artist. Many choose to do what they do solely for the money, designers included. I believe I have met some pretty f*cking generous and amazing people who donated a lot of their spare time to make the world a better place and I felt like giving back. [09:47] Linux has changed my personal life [09:47] I was totally different person 5 years ago [09:47] I would have never wasted 1 single second over any volunteer job [09:48] it's 180 degree the opposite after I started using Linux [09:48] Sometimes, I was working nearly 24/7 :D [09:48] that's how my health became bad [09:49] Now, the only thing that making my life hard within Ubuntu GNOME is the community version 2.0 [09:49] Yeah, about that, ever considered losing some weight on projects you carry? From my POV you're involved in far too much for one man, young man. [09:50] 34 years :P [09:50] Still, young man [09:50] 31 here, soon 32 [09:50] I dropped StartUbuntu [09:50] helping my own project ToriOS once a week and sometimes, once every 2 weeks [09:50] Funny I was thinking the same thing earlier Inoki [09:51] I am focusing on my real life more [09:51] octoquad there's certainly something about it [09:51] that's why I am less active [09:51] Balance Ali, it's all about Zen :D active, but with less projects [09:51] amjjawad, I am one to preach here, but I think we all need to try and achieve some balance in our life [09:52] Yes but I had to reduce everything before it's too late as my real life was at risk [09:52] I'm interested to go with the merge [09:52] I believe it might solve some unsolved issues [09:53] Personally, I would never take more than I know I could bear. That's why I focus solely on the design part and nothing else. Ok, I do volunteer translations for Smart Launcher and Mozilla even in the past, but only when I really know I have some spare time and the projects I chose dont' require my constant attention. [09:54] The merge definitely should. [09:55] If you feel like it's too much amjjawad, consider meditating. I know how it sounds, but far from what it seems, it actually really helps and it takes about 10 minutes a day. [09:55] wait, if you want to focus on the design only, then weren't you who suggested to step in for marketing? [09:56] Design + Marketing. Those are merged by definition. [09:56] You can't do marketing without some design. [09:56] Inoki, are you ready for writing news, updates, etc? [09:56] Of course. Did I mention I worked as an online journalist before? [09:56] Can't remember that at the moment [09:56] then all set [09:57] amjjawad, Inoki: http://www.newsweek.com/2015/08/14/meditation-and-being-quiet-359641.html [09:57] I just need to do some paper work and confuse our boss that the name doesn't matter :D [09:57] And use the pomodoro technique :) [09:57] These tasks aren't stressful, writing a news item from time to time and when there's really somethign worth mentioning it's not like we're running an outlet that has to publish every single day. [09:57] sudo apt-get install gnome-shell-pomodoro [09:57] I'll check that link octoquad [09:58] speaking of stress, aren't you guys at design/marketing willing to do something for the cover picture? :D [09:59] http://www.thedailyzen.org/ - my source (not the only one of course) of inspiration [09:59] The guy who runs the site has some amazing, insightful articles. [10:00] the link doesn't work for me octoquad, it says I reached my daily limit. [10:02] Inoki, how long it takes usually to do a cover picture? for Ubuntu GNOME? [10:03] Like everything, that depends. Any design work should be on topic, so you clearly communicate something. There are some, like wallpapers, which are often just doodles imo where you just play with gradients and effects and blend it all together and have no idea what you do and it turns out to be nice. [10:04] A simple poster shouldn't take long though. [10:04] I need to know what it should be about, what do you want to communicate through it. [10:04] Originally, I wanted 2 kind of cover pictures [10:05] one to work as a reminder before a milestone is released so people start to help us [10:05] and one is general just telling what page that is [10:05] for me, I use the cover picture as a way to advertise a message [10:06] my artwork skills are less than basic and so limited :'( [10:06] Do you have an example of how those milestone posters look? Has anyone done anything like that before? [10:06] If I just could do some artwork, I'd be in much different position [10:06] Inoki, Alfredo did a general one: help to test Ubuntu GNOME - I'll show you [10:07] About that personal project of yours, did you manage in the end? Sorry to tell you, but stuff like that really requires time. Basically what design is about is to say everything without saying a word, that's why it's so difficult, although it seems so easy. [10:07] https://www.facebook.com/UbuntuGNOME/photos/a.376216522491602.1073741827.363823107064277/672341469545771/?type=3&permPage=1 [10:08] Ok, that's nice, but we can change that so we have something more fresh. [10:09] Fore the milestone perhaps something like an infographic with a timeline. [10:10] A simple nice time line example https://dribbble.com/shots/600575-Timeline/attachments/48122 [10:10] Stuff like this can easily be adapted to fit a banner. [10:11] It's not exactly tech related, but serves as good inspiration. I picked it randomly from what I saw first. [10:13] if you could do a timeline (horizontal) that shows the milestones and when they're suppose to release, that would be super perfect [10:13] it's 2-in-1 banner :D [10:14] Nothing that cannot be done. [10:14] instead of doing 2, we could do 1 that shows everything we really need to show [10:14] :D [10:14] YAY [10:14] Now tell me where it will be displayed. Social media? Facebook, Twitter, Google+, what else? [10:15] Fb, T and G+ [10:15] Plus I need the info that should be on it. Exact text details, or if there is a direct source to use, link it [10:16] I'm afraid you need to start from scratch as all the files with Alfredo and I need something really different [10:16] Well, since we're on Beta 2 stage now, we need to show Beta 2, RC and the final release of 15.10 [10:16] Oh, so only for this cycle [10:17] For future releases, we need to show it all: A1, A2, B1, B2 [10:17] at least, only for this one for now [10:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule [10:17] for the next cycle, we can do something else [10:17] the next cycle is 16.04 which is LTS [10:20] Now I'll focus only on this, the next cycle can wait :D [10:20] Inoki, indeed :D haha [10:21] You already know the size of each site, right? because the cover for fb, tw and G+ is different from each other [10:22] fb=831x315 .. tw=1500x500 and not sure about G+ [10:22] All of them always need larger images. Facebook especially handles images very badly. [10:24] tell me about it .. that's why I call it failbook :D [10:24] We all call it different, I call it Fakebook :3 [10:24] haha [10:24] Nice name :D [10:24] That's what it mostly is. Everyone wants to be your friend... on the internet only. [10:25] Ok, I'm gonna do some homework before my gf arrives and then I'll start looking into that banner. [10:26] Later ya'll [10:27] Cheers Inoki [10:28] amjjawad, I'm out for the rest of the day. Public holiday today :) [10:28] amjjawad, keep well [10:29] Take care Inoki [10:29] I was awake, didn't say cyc to octoquad [10:29] away* [10:43] Inoki, am now [10:52] back for a bit, have a nice day octo and Tim, Ali, it'd be nice if you guys had Telegram for instance. I know I know, but Telegram is different in it being secure, private, free and most of all, you can reach any of us any time by leaving a message and we respond when we can. On IRC people can often miss a lot by not being here. It's good for group chat. [10:53] And you can reach people on the go when you need. [10:54] If you reconsider, drop us a mail and we can even add you to our group so you see how we work if you're curious. [10:54] And back to the kitchen I go again... [10:55] Inoki, I don't know what your spat was about over on email, but really don't take it personally [10:57] Inoki, UIFe approved, will upload as soon as the final beta ISO's are out the door [10:58] darkxst, we solve it :D Inoki got the wrong message and the next email explained everything so it's all solved :D hehe [10:58] Inoki, how can I join that Telegram of yours? [10:58] and you won't find me on telegram, if you want asynchronous comms, email me [10:58] yes, we know that Mr. Email only :P hehe [11:00] Inoki, I guess by username, right? [11:01] amjjawad, I'm connected to IRC 24/7 also [11:01] darkxst, yes, that too haha [11:01] emails are the best of all. No need to scroll down a lot [11:01] but for a quick chat, etc .. such applications are good too [11:03] IRC works for that also! [11:05] how can you jump to the line that you were tagged at? [11:05] back, well, [11:06] Telegram works with Phone numbers, but once registered, you can search for people by nicknames [11:06] Yep, I know that but how to find you now? [11:06] It's cross platform. FYI Fedora started including it in their repos [11:06] really? nice [11:06] Yup [11:07] When you search for contacts, just type in Inoki [11:07] It has a very nice, easy to use, portable client for Linux [11:08] http://fedoramagazine.org/telegram-in-fedora/ [11:09] darkxst, have you seen https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/1481798 [11:09] Ubuntu bug 1481798 in modemmanager (Ubuntu) "package:modemmanager:1.4.10-1:subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 100" [Critical,Triaged] [11:09] Inoki, I'll check now [11:10] amjjawad, no [11:11] as per Lance and the bug report, upgrading from vivid to wily is failing [11:11] and I need to be packing, not arguing about whether irc or telgram is better, off to the mountains tomorrow [11:12] Never mind that chat ;) [11:12] how's the weather over there?! [11:12] it's back to be cold here [11:13] amjjawad, that is partly why I am headed to mountains ;) [11:14] darkxst, I'll send you to the south pole one day :P [11:14] amjjawad, don't worry I'll be back in the french alps soon enough [11:17] don't like cold weather nor very hot one [11:17] I think the images are good to go but I won't mark them as ready yet ... I'll do that before going to bed [11:18] hi all [11:19] Hello LinDol [11:19] amjjawad, Hi. :) How are you? [11:19] darkxst, do you use IRC on a smart phone? [11:19] Thanks for asking LinDol :) not too bad, not too good. You? [11:20] I am pretty tired haha :) [11:20] Thank you. [11:20] amjjawad, sometimes when I am away [11:20] Oh, sorry about that LinDol [11:20] darkxst, but it's much better on a keyboard, right? :D [11:20] amjjawad, haha that is OK :) [11:21] amjjawad, everything is better on a keyboard [11:21] darkxst, Indeed [11:21] thats why a drag a laptop around with me most of the time [11:23] That's why you could use Telegram darkxst on your phone! :3 [11:24] Inoki, is telegram going to write code for me? I don't think so [11:24] Neither does IRC :D [11:24] hahaha [11:24] and IRC has nothing to do with me dragging a laptop everywhere I go! [11:25] Anyways, it's up to you. Ali is there with us, you feel like you need to reach us, you can, even on the go. [11:25] but really, I should pack, then service car in the morning, and off to the mountains [11:25] Don't forget your keys, your wallet, don't forget to eat! :D [11:26] enjoy darkxst ;) [11:26] Inoki has a Mum Complex ;) [11:26] xD [11:27] I'll be AFK [11:27] Cya everyone [11:28] amjjawad, just deal with infinity, and images! [11:29] hang in #ubuntu-release [11:29] btw darkxst, everyone said it's ok in the UIFE [11:29] So what now. You just upload them right? [11:30] YES, i said that a while back [11:30] OK! :D [11:31] I'll upload as soon as final beta is done [12:29] darkxst, this is what I've been doing for 2 days now! [12:30] amjjawad, I'll be away for a few days [12:31] No problem, just enjoy it darkxst ;) [12:31] when you come back, Ubuntu GNOME will move to another DE and we will change the name and logo :P :P :P [12:32] or I don't come back then ;) [12:32] darkxst, who's the 2nd in charge for bugs/codes? [12:32] or nothing is needed? [12:33] amjjawad, bruce for bugs, Jackson for pacjaging [12:33] I hope nothing is needed [12:34] after all, Beta 2 will be out in 12 hours or less [12:34] nothing can be fixed now unless super critical [12:34] nothing can be done anyway [12:34] indeed [12:34] and from the testing results, all is good [12:35] will the wallpaper and the lock screen be changed or that's after beta2? [12:35] after [12:36] I'll upload Monday [12:36] did you see the logo when it's visible on both the wallpaper and lock screen even when there is a window on the top? [12:36] I noticed when I was browsing the default applications, the logo seemed 'above' the list of applications [12:36] yes it was crap, but should have tested before uploading [12:36] same on the lock screen [12:37] I assumed artwork team had tested, but appparently not [12:37] :( [12:37] is there a bug report for that? [12:37] I guess we need to include that on the notes [12:37] there is a UIFe bug somewhere [12:37] Ah, that one [12:37] acked by release team [12:38] can't remember where did I see it .. will have a look around .. [12:38] so all good to go, but not going to waste a respin on it [12:38] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/1498929 [12:38] Ubuntu bug 1498929 in Ubuntu Translations "[Ubuntu GNOME] UIFe for Wily: change of default wallpapers" [Undecided,New] [12:38] yup that one [12:38] no re-spin is needed [12:39] UIFe stands for what? [12:39] and no packing had happened yet ;( [12:39] User interface Freeze Exception [12:40] I see [12:40] should I mention the issue in details on that bug? [12:41] no its all approved [12:41] it seems a different one from what I was describing [12:41] no its the same [12:41] I mean it does not say the logo has problems and it appears on the top of the screen [12:42] we remove the logo [12:42] it can't appear anywhere [12:42] all good [12:42] * darkxst goes, be back monday, maybe [12:42] I thought we need to explain why but no worries [12:42] haha [12:42] enjoy [12:43] take care and send me some pics [12:44] will do, txt me if anything urgent, but otherwise I will mostly be staying out of things [12:47] hi everyone [12:47] darkxst, no worries [12:47] i have some trouble installing ubuntu gnome on my pc [12:48] it stuck at creating ext4 file system [12:49] gergo, which version? [12:49] 14.10 [12:49] i dont have hw issues [12:49] and the console prints [12:50] gergo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases [12:50] 14.10 is dead. [12:50] You should not use it :) [12:51] i know, but i cant use newer release because of compatibility issues [12:51] 14.04 is still supported [12:51] oh [12:51] (it's a long-term support release) [12:51] well [12:51] i didnt know that [12:52] that's what IRC is for: learning new stuff :) [12:52] i thought 14.10 is newer [12:52] thx [12:52] 14.10 is newer, yes [12:52]