[08:12] <nlsthzn> o/
[09:25] <magespawn> good day
[10:14] <gremble> Good morning
[10:21] <magespawn> hi gremble 
[10:21] <gremble> How are you magespawn?
[10:25] <magespawn> good and you?
[10:25] <gremble> I am well thank you
[10:26] <gremble> Trying to decide on an editor to use. I have to re-setup both my emacs and vim if I want to use them, and not very keen at the moment
[10:27] <magespawn> i use the stock vim, no custom settings
[10:27] <magespawn> or what ever is on the system i am using at the moment
[10:28] <gremble> Yes, you're right. I should probably just use it. haha.
[10:30] <magespawn> i am trying to set up a cisco 837 router
[10:30] <gremble> And? Successful?
[10:32] <magespawn> well i have managed to connect to it through a console cable and minicom, but that is all so far
[10:32] <magespawn> i have to learn the cisco commands
[10:34] <gremble> Ah alright
[10:35] <gremble> Not a lot of fun to have to work on a public holiday though :<
[10:36] <magespawn> no this is not work, but education
[10:36] <gremble> Oh alright
[10:36] <gremble> That is not as bad
[10:37] <magespawn> yup cisco manuals are rather large
[10:37] <magespawn> looks like the preferred way is through the console
[10:38] <gremble> This book is quite hostile to python 3 -_-
[10:38] <kulelu88> python3, the mistake
[10:39] <magespawn> kulelu88: why is that/
[10:39] <magespawn> ?
[10:39] <gremble> Might be the mistake, but that is what you will be using
[10:41] <kulelu88> don't mind me, I'm just fuelling flames. py3 is like systemd
[10:42] <gremble> Everyone hates it for no apparent reason?
[10:43] <kulelu88> the problem with py3 is that it doesn't bring major benefits while so many libs are still py2
[10:43] <gremble> A lot of them have been ported. Most of those that haven't are orphaned anyway
[10:44] <gremble> The syntax for python3 is so far much nicer for me than python2. So I don't complain too much
[10:47] <kulelu88> i still use py2
[10:47] <gremble> and I 3
[10:47] <gremble> :P
[10:47] <kulelu88> I like stability
[10:47] <gremble> But I don't use python a lot
[10:47] <gremble> so it doesn't phase me
[10:48] <gremble> My friend wants me to build a quick statistical model, so I am playing around 
[10:48] <kulelu88> what kind of model? 
[10:49] <gremble> Card draw model. So I'll probably do hypergeometric or derive a similar model based on his theoretical parameters
[10:49] <magespawn> brb
[10:50] <gremble> He is really into Magic the Gathering, so he wants me to help him theory craft a deck
[11:01] <magespawn> back
[11:06] <gremble> Welcome back
[11:08] <magespawn> looks like there is a web interface for the 837, but it has to be enabled first
[11:33] <magespawn> okay got the web interface up and running
[11:34] <gremble> web interfaces on routers always make me worry that they are easily configurable from the outside. 
[11:35] <magespawn> you can set so much on this one, the security seems quite high
[11:35] <gremble> Ah alright
[14:29] <magespawn> update: the webpage is refusing to load
[14:30] <gremble> Have you been waiting for it to load for the last 3 hours?
[14:30] <gremble> O.o
[14:33] <magespawn> yes, but in my defense i did also going shopping and take a nap
[14:35] <gremble> Haha
[14:35] <gremble> I should take a nap
[14:38] <magespawn> it does wonders for my outlook
[14:41] <gremble> It is true. If only it wasn't as hot 
[14:43] <gremble> evil in emacs is amazing. I am not even going to lie
[14:57] <Kilos> hi magespawn inetpro thatgraemeguy gremble and others as well
[15:03] <gremble> Hey Kilos 
[15:03] <gremble> how are you doing
[15:04] <Kilos> good ty and you
[15:04] <gremble> I'm well thank you
[15:53] <magespawn>  hi Kilos 
[16:16] <inetpro> good mornings 
[16:18] <inetpro> magespawn: don't do the web thingy, learn to do it the right way on the cli 
[16:44] <inetpro> ai! 
[16:54] <magespawn> inetpro: looks like at least in this case there is no option
[16:56] <magespawn> it does take longer usually but does provide flexibility 
[17:27] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[17:40] <magespawn> back like boomarang
[17:51] <Kilos> haha
[17:52] <Kilos> so where the clever telegram peeps
[17:52] <magespawn> superfly?
[17:54] <Kilos> i have an app called org.callgram.messenger.apk but dont know how to install it in telegram or run it
[17:54] <Kilos> http://apkforubuntu.xyz/download/communication/org.callgram.messenger.html
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: really!>
[18:03] <inetpro> ?
[18:03] <Kilos> really? inetpro 
[18:03] <Kilos> what you mean?
[18:04] <inetpro> why try funny things like that?
[18:04] <Kilos> well i dont want to use skype
[18:04] <inetpro> have you tried https://desktop.telegram.org/ ?
[18:04] <magespawn> that does not seem to be from the makers of telegram though
[18:04] <Kilos> what other voip thing works on ubuntu and android
[18:05] <magespawn> and there is an automatic download on that page
[18:05] <magespawn> that looks highly suspicious
[18:05] <Kilos> ai!
[18:05]  * inetpro agrees with magespawn
[18:06] <Kilos> inetpro i have telegram
[18:06] <inetpro> what the problem is?
[18:06] <Kilos> but typing when you on your back is hard on the neck
[18:06] <Kilos> hehe
[18:06] <Kilos> easy to talk to debs than type to her
[18:07] <inetpro> another very easy option is google hangouts
[18:07] <Kilos> im trying to get away from all google stuffs
[18:09] <inetpro> audio and video takes bandwidth anyway
[18:09] <inetpro> audio less so but still more than text
[18:10] <inetpro> and Telegram does not yet support the calling feature as others do
[18:10] <Kilos> yes but i am prepared to use some to be able to voip
[18:10] <inetpro> at least not that I'm aware of
[18:10] <Kilos> oh i thought callgram was part of telegram peeps
[18:11] <inetpro> if you want telegram stuff then you go to https://telegram.org/
[18:12] <Kilos> ive read that and many other pages over and over
[18:12] <Kilos> een looked for them on irc
[18:12] <Kilos> even
[18:13] <inetpro> one day when we all grow up we will have a seemless cross-platform calling feature no matter what you use
[18:13] <inetpro> in fact we already have it
[18:13] <inetpro> it's called firefox hello
[18:16] <inetpro> see https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/hello/
[18:20] <inetpro> wb octoquad
[18:20] <octoquad> hi inetpro 
[18:24] <inetpro> Kilos: you gave up now already?
[18:25] <Kilos> nope man was reading everywhere
[18:27] <Kilos> haha and you know i really love firefox
[18:28] <Kilos> oh i saw some sip thing
[18:28] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:29] <Kilos> sipwitch
[18:29] <Kilos> in the repos
[18:29] <inetpro> ai!
[18:29] <Kilos> what ai!
[18:30] <Kilos> secure peer-to-peer VoIP server for the SIP protocol
[18:30] <Kilos> what does that mean
[18:30] <inetpro> use the easy stuff that just works
[18:30] <Kilos> hahaha jy word oud
[18:31] <Kilos> nono anything involve with google is not for me
[18:31] <inetpro> firefox works
[18:32] <inetpro> and is fully open source
[18:32] <Kilos> iya but through a browser first
[18:32] <inetpro> what is wrong with the browser?
[18:33] <Kilos> well
[18:33] <Kilos> one can irs from a browser but we use ifrc clients rather, why is that
[18:33] <Kilos> irc
[18:34] <Kilos> whew hrad to type like this
[18:34] <Kilos> hard
[18:35] <inetpro> you wanted an easy way to talk, that doesn't involve google or skype
[18:35] <Kilos> lol
[18:35] <Kilos> ai!
[18:36] <Kilos> so now you want me to install firefox aain
[18:36] <Kilos> sigh
[18:36] <Kilos> ai ai ai ai ai
[18:36] <inetpro> no, go ahead, build your own thingymajig
[18:36] <Kilos> ne man
[18:36] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel
[18:46] <inetpro> uh oh!
[18:47] <inetpro> who stole my cheese?
[18:48] <superfly> That's what you get for messing with oom Kilos 
[18:49] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:49] <Kilos> superfly ++
[18:49] <inetpro> ai!
[18:50] <Kilos> rofl
[18:50] <Kilos> ty i needed that
[18:50] <inetpro> superfly: you have another solution for audio calls for him?
[18:51] <inetpro> sorry oom Kilos
[18:51] <Kilos> np man
[18:51] <Kilos> haha
[18:52]  * inetpro still trying to recover from a migraine
[18:52] <Kilos> you have earned the right to mess with me
[18:52] <Kilos> ai! sorry man
[18:52] <superfly> inetpro: when we call MrsFly's family we use Skype 
[18:52] <inetpro> yikes!
[18:52] <superfly> Apparently Viber is also good 
[18:54] <Kilos> its not serios ty guys  i have skype
[18:54] <Kilos> was just trying to keep you guys thinking maybe
[18:55] <Kilos> seius
[18:55] <Kilos> oh my
[18:55] <Kilos> serious
[18:56] <Kilos> hi Cryterion 
[18:56] <Cryterion> Hi Kilos
[18:57] <Cryterion> and everyone else
[18:57] <Kilos> inetpro 31 dec is 30 years, gotta end it now
[18:57] <Cryterion> huh?
[18:58] <Kilos> haha he knows
[18:58] <Kilos> you can get an inkling from 
[18:58] <Kilos> Maaz kilos.site
[18:58] <Maaz> Kilos: kilos.site is http://mileys-site.yolasite.com and https://sites.google.com/site/mileyssite
[18:59] <Kilos> top one
[18:59] <Kilos> cant remember what the second one was for
[19:00] <Cryterion> This website is not available. in 6 languages
[19:00] <Kilos> oh my
[19:00] <Cryterion> that's the top 1
[19:00] <Kilos> i wonder who killed it
[19:00] <Cryterion> bottom one seems to be working
[19:00]  * tumbleweed investigates who killed it
[19:01] <Kilos> hi tumbleweed 
[19:01] <tumbleweed> hi Kilos
[19:01] <Kilos> hope all well there
[19:01] <tumbleweed> hrm, there's no record of it being disabled
[19:01] <Kilos> oh my
[19:03] <Cryterion> bottom one only has 2 video's, one has been suspended due to copyright, the other is a Tara auditioning
[19:07] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I'm intrigued - we're trying ot figure out what happened
[19:07] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed i can get to the dashboard and it sees me as me 
[19:08] <magespawn> tumbleweed: not an area restriction because of the videos/
[19:08] <Kilos> but dont know what to fiddle with
[19:08] <tumbleweed> Kilos: yeah, it's disabled on the hosting side, but nowhere else
[19:08] <magespawn> ?
[19:08] <tumbleweed> Kilos: re-publish
[19:09] <Kilos> i have to find how to edit or something
[19:09] <Kilos> will see what i get ty
[19:10] <Kilos> i dont have a publish button anywahere
[19:10] <Kilos> sigh
[19:10] <tumbleweed> Kilos: go to sitebuilder
[19:11] <tumbleweed> "edit this site" gets you there
[19:12] <Kilos> publishing
[19:12] <Kilos> last update 1470 days ago
[19:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:13] <Kilos> yay ty tumbleweed 
[19:13] <Kilos> Cryterion its fixed
[19:14] <magespawn> yup up and running
[19:15] <tumbleweed> Kilos: sorry about that :(
[19:15] <Cryterion> ok, will look shortly
[19:15] <Kilos> np tumbleweed ty for the help
[19:15] <Kilos> smile man :D
[19:18] <Kilos> hi MaNI 
[19:29] <MaNL> hi
[19:30] <superfly> hi
[19:30] <superfly> MaNI: how's your solar power doing?
[19:32] <MaNI> heh, pretty good, been running pc off it since about a week ago
[19:32] <MaNI> but just a temporary ground setup still need to get it on the roof
[19:35] <superfly> ah, OK
[19:38] <MaNI> gets about 70% capacity on the ground even with partial shading which is better than I expected
[19:41] <Kilos> nice
[19:41] <Kilos> by the time its on the roof there wont be loadshedding anymore
[19:41] <Kilos> hehe
[19:47] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:54] <MaNI> heh - I've always said that once I get them load shedding will stop
[19:55] <MaNI> but realistically I'm pretty sure we haven't seen the last of it
[19:57] <MaNI> also last sunday we were off the whole day for maintenance, (this happens at least twice a year) was pretty cool not to care about that
[20:01] <magespawn> bed time, good night all
[20:02] <gremble> Good night magespawn 
[20:12] <gremble> Oh my. You can run haskell in a Jupyter notebook
[20:51] <tumbleweed> I think we figured out what happened to Kilos' site. A nice gnarley distributed-systems bug
[20:53] <gremble> oh?
[21:00] <tumbleweed> ancient site, wasn't on all the publishing clusters
[21:00] <tumbleweed> so a request comes it for it, it tries to automatically get it published to the cluster
[21:01] <tumbleweed> in the process, it sees that the enabled state is NULL, not True / False (yeah, shitty DB schema)
[21:01] <tumbleweed> and replicates that out to all the clusters as False, not True
[21:01] <tumbleweed> we recently cleaned up those NULLs to True, but this must have been before that
[21:02] <gremble> Was that the google one or the yolasite one?
[21:02] <tumbleweed> Yola
[21:05] <superfly> ah, one of those
[22:19] <gremble> python's matplotlib prings plots practically exactly like matlab. Quite interesting