[01:17] my upgrade went well [01:17] and son fixed the wireless key problem which probably was pebkac === Guest75773 is now known as adrian === adrian is now known as Guest32345 [03:10] * ahoneybun makes a new post for mparillo [03:13] does beta 2 not have 15.08.1 applications? [03:13] Riddell: [03:18] no, they weren 't uploaded quite in time [03:19] I guess part of them are in, part are not [03:19] launchpad fail [03:20] mm [03:20] ok [03:20] so I have a draft [03:21] valorie: http://imgur.com/I6X5Bt3 [03:24] mm looks like the Window Decorations KCM does not work [03:25] ohhh [03:25] I was not using it right [03:25] such a great banner [03:26] andrea in the telegram group made that [03:28] valorie: +1 about the hangouts for release and road ahead [03:29] :-) [03:29] nice to see things moving along [03:30] I'll try the beta 2 tomorrow during lunch [03:30] I'm not sure how ovidiu-florin turns off the comments on posts [03:32] and it's live [03:32] http://kubuntu.org/news/ [03:32] well.. http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15-10-beta-2/ [03:32] I upgraded both my laptops today without incident [03:32] nice [03:33] I just got like 200 updates on my desktop (this one) but have not rebooted yet [03:34] valorie: I think andrea has almost earned membership tbh [03:34] he has done awesome artwork and always ready to help and throw around ideas [03:34] I submitted a comment [03:34] we'll see if it shows up [03:34] yea I have to approve it [03:35] andrea needs to be on -devel ML [03:35] at least [03:35] yea [03:35] I love telegram, but that is entirely extra [03:35] ML is core [03:35] also, you turned off your bot! [03:36] bot was super [03:36] right that [03:36] I rebuild the server as I messed the backup system up [03:36] plus ovidiu-florin thought it would be better to have it on a kubuntu server then my own [03:38] I need to have it run all the time on my server till it gets setup on another one maybe [03:40] we have a new server though [03:40] check that email from Riddell about it [03:40] if you don't have a login ask for one [03:40] certainly it should be on the kub. server [03:41] yea I need to work out somethings with ovidiu-florin on it [03:41] also need to get docs.kubuntu.org/co.uk backup [03:43] : super [03:43] : test test [03:43] KubuntuSuperBot: test [03:44] wait what... [03:44] that works now? [03:44] KubuntuSuperBot: hola @valorie [03:44] well then [03:44] no idea why that works now [03:44] XD [03:45] : Holy spam batman [03:45] haha neat [03:45] KubuntuSuperBot: hello sgclark [03:45] hey sgclark [03:46] : Doesnt go back to telegram? [03:46] KubuntuSuperBot: looks like it does sgclark [03:47] : Oh. Somehow I am sgclark2 here [03:47] : Hmm [03:47] yea [03:47] the nickname thing could be a issue [03:47] or bump really [03:48] yep, seem someone snagged my nick [03:49] I took my own but its locked with my old number [03:49] so... lol [03:49] KubuntuSuperBot: hello telegram people from IRC! [03:50] mm [03:50] KubuntuSuperBot: /time [03:50] damn [03:50] \o/ [03:50] : /time [03:51] damn I can't do that [03:51] : /time@KubuntuBot [03:52] : @kubuntubot, would be nice to have the telegram app in the archive, since there is a package for it from Telegram [03:53] mm [03:53] I can't download it [03:53] keeps failing [03:54] KubuntuSuperBot: keeps failing valorie [03:56] anyway I'm heading off [03:57] ugh, it's in a PPA [03:57] I filed a bug last night because it's not packaged [03:58] too late for wily [03:58] should have done it in August [03:58] niters [03:58] night [03:58] KubuntuSuperBot: night all [04:38] ahoneybun: why didn't you make the beta 2 announcement the same as the wiki page? [04:41] ahoneybun: I've made a few small adjustments to the release announcement page. === tazz_ is now known as tazz [07:16] Good morning [07:20] Riddell: kamoso_3.0+git20150925.0303+15.04-0.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 3.0+git20150925.0303+15.04-0 <= 3.0.0~rc1+git20150924.0208+15.04-0 [07:21] I think upstream needs to get nicer versioning :) [07:22] Clivejo was fixing that [07:22] I'm away today [07:31] kaccounts stable is broken [07:31] -- The following OPTIONAL packages have not been found: [07:31] * KF5Akonadi [07:31] http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_stable_kaccounts-integration/29/changes#detail [07:32] Remove akonadi build-dep on advise of upstream author the code [07:32] is so outdated that I don't even believe it works these days [07:32] mck182: isn't that the thing you wanted to do upstream? [07:32] ah, he's in the past now [08:29] Good Morning friends [08:30] I remember on my way into work this morning, that I hadn't got Konversation auto starting [08:30] Hence why you haven't seen me in here for a while [08:34] {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}} [08:42] valorie: Ah shucks!! thank you ;-D [08:43] gotta have konvi autostart! [08:43] actually, I just don't shut down, so all my *buntu ISOs can keep seeding while I sleep [08:44] but gotta go to sleep now, before 2am! [09:17] Nite valorie [09:20] sddm-greeter is broken: with multiple X screens and Xinerama enabled it hangs (with blank monitors) even when sddm is stopped. [09:43] don't do that then [09:43] What? [09:44] unfortunately, kde5 seems to be badly broken with multiple X screens whichever way they're configured [10:02] When kwin_x11 is running, is it supposed to launch an additional program to manage the desktop and taskbar, if so, what program is launched? [10:04] deskotp and taskbar is plasmashell [10:11] Does it start plasmashell via Dbus itself, or is it via KScreen? I've trying to debuyg a regression vs 14.04 with 4 X screens. With 15.10 only the first x screen is getting a shell. The other 3 X screens are active and the mouse moves through them, but there's no user interface, no right-click, etc. [10:12] .xsession-errors is next to useless without timestamps and facility prefixes. Can't tell where the messages came from or what the timings are, so can't correlate to other system logs [10:14] (although, someone should look at the messages there, it indicates many bugs with themes and QT properties missing) [10:26] Looks look kde5 has completely broken the multi-screen support. Using separate X screens (as with 14.04) "konsole --display :0.2" puts an instance on :0.0 with broken/incomplete graphics [10:29] There is no KDE is a community. The product is Plasma 5 [10:30] and on that note you are in the wrong channel -> #plasma [10:31] I'll stick with 14.04; I can't afford another 2 months trying to fix breakages [10:33] TJ-: what is broken? I use dual monitors on wily with no problems? [10:35] clivejo: My setup is 6 monitors across 3 GPUs and 4 X screens. On Trusty/KDE4 it was mostly ok (except for the screenlock bug that didn't lock anything but :0.0, but 15.10/KDE5 seems to be totally broken [10:36] * clivejo gulps [10:37] well plasma is the best place to ask [10:38] clivejo: KDE has always been great with it. It's a laptop with an external Quadro NVS420 attached via ExpressCard. [10:39] TJ-: but you gotta understand plasma 5 is new, there are going to be bugs. Best way to make it better is to talk to the guys writing the code and get it working :) [10:40] sitter: do I have a personal git I can use? [10:41] clivejo: what do you mean and for what do you want to use it? [10:42] TJ-: you can talk in here all day long. you have to go to #plasma if you want this to change and/or file bug reports on bugs.kde.org [10:42] clivejo: I will do once I've figured out what order things start. I'm not convinced its getting to Plasma that's the thing - it looks like it goes kdeint5 > ksmserver > kwin_x11 > plasmashell, but I'm having difficulty figuring out how to capture what is happening [10:43] sitter: There's no point doing that until I understand how to capture some useful logs. I'll check in #plasma later on once I've read the source code [10:44] one would think people there can tell you how to get useful logs for them [10:44] I've got 4 kwin_x11 processes, which seems to match what kde4 shows, so if that process is responsible for starting plasmashell via Dbus I can start there. [10:45] sitter: Ack. I'll do that later; my Huskies need a long run around the farm right now :) [10:45] sitter: Im trying to package calligra, the source I grabbed yesterday is broken, so I want to push my calligra kf5 packaging into a git archive [10:45] clivejo: are you kde dev yet? [10:45] no idea [10:46] probably not then [10:46] I have KDE login [10:46] you need special permissions to push stuff though [10:46] clivejo: anyway, gitlab or github is where you want to put it until you get commit access [10:46] Ive got a github account [10:46] although TBH unless your disk explodes you can simply create local clones [10:47] sitter: ovidiu-florin wanted to have calligra in CI, is that possible? [10:47] only when ported and only when it is approaching a release [10:48] any possiblity to creating packaging on Alioth? [10:51] why isn't it there? [10:51] clivejo: you can push to alioth no? [10:52] I can, but not sure on the strtucture yet [10:52] or how to create new projects on it [10:52] clivejo: push kubuntu_wily_archive into kde-std/calligra.git [10:52] you don't need a new project [10:53] in fact what you should do is... branch master into kubuntu_wily_archive [10:53] and then copy our changes ontop of that [10:53] is calligra there? [10:54] ah, found it [11:03] sitter: so I create a new branch - git checkout -b kubuntu_wily_archive [11:03] and then git push to the archive? [11:03] clivejo: yeah. but when applying our packaging on top of that you'll want to entirely review the diff [11:04] and possibly throw away what isn't absolutely necessary [11:04] I sat down with the CMake file and generated a new list of build-deps [11:05] but the source wouldnt build for me [11:05] I think the lastest source was broken when I grabbed it, so Im grabbing it again now [11:07] Hey folks [11:08] sitter: also, I keep getting a message when I push "warning: push.default is unset; its implicit value has changed in Git 2.0 from 'matching' to 'simple'. To squelch this message and maintain the traditional behaviour, use:" [11:08] which behaviour should I use? [11:08] hi BluesKajl [11:08] clivejo: have you managed to put it in Alitoth? [11:08] I dunno [11:09] clivejo: you should git push origin kubuntu_wily_archive [11:09] I'd highly advise against running git push without telling where you want to push explicitly [11:09] when not completely awake that can easily get you in trouble ^^ [11:09] sitter: Im going to use the command "git push --set-upstream origin kubuntu_wily_archive" [11:09] yep [11:10] but so far everytime I use push it gives me this choice [11:10] but I dont know what to choose! [11:10] Oo [11:10] Hey clivejo [11:10] you should only need to --set-upstream once [11:10] after that you have a tracking branch and git will know where to push [11:10] sitter: this message appears all the time [11:11] even when using the automation scripts [11:11] well, clearly your setup is wrong :P [11:11] LOL yeah, but do I pick simple or matching :P [11:12] I dunno what that even means [11:12] ovidiu-florin: Ive just created a kubuntu_wily_archive branch on Alioth - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-std/calligra.git/ [11:12] $ git config push.default [11:12] simple [11:12] clivejo: simple apparently [11:13] me neither, hence asking someone more knowledge in these matters ;) [11:13] ok simple it it [11:13] is [11:13] ovidiu-florin: did you get calligra to build? [11:14] I got to 34% and it failed :( [11:14] haven't worked on it anymore last night [11:14] saw that build-dep did not solve the issue [11:14] with the weekly CI [11:14] so I started complaining here [11:14] and worked on something else [11:15] but I'll finish it today [11:16] sitter: whats your opinion on this? calligra version is set(CALLIGRA_STABLE_VERSION_MAJOR 3) # 3 for 3.x, 4 for 4.x, etc. set(CALLIGRA_STABLE_VERSION_MINOR 0) # 0 for 3.0, 1 for 3.1, etc. set(CALLIGRA_VERSION_RELEASE 89) [11:17] should the debian version be 3.0.89 or 3.0.0~89 ? [11:18] or something else :/ [11:18] what's the package version? [11:18] the package not the software [11:18] ovidiu-florin: I dont know, thats what Im trying to determine [11:19] has this software release been packaged before? [11:19] yes [11:19] 2.9.7 is lastest I believe [11:19] what's the name of that previous package? [11:19] that's the software version [11:19] what's after the minus is the package version [11:20] I'm not sure what the ~ stands for [11:25] ~ is a local version that can be over-ridden by a published version at the same major.minor.revision [11:25] E.g. Given 1.2.3~4 and 1.2.3 apt will choose 1.2.3 as the later version [11:25] clivejo: surely the package version should be 2.9.7? [11:28] that was the last released version, but Im trying to package the lastest one which will be 3.0.0 [11:29] should it maybe have a git20150925 appended to it? [11:29] as thats the source? [11:30] clivejo: 2.9.7+git2000 [11:30] it's dangerous to make assumptions about versions numbers that have not been released [11:31] I know [11:31] got bit in the backside with kamoso [12:54] ovidiu-florin: getting anywhere with calligra? [12:54] Ive just started a build using sourcecode grabbed today [12:55] hopefully get past the 34% mark [13:03] sitter: right...stupid stable branches. [13:03] always getting forgotten [13:03] not sure why jon crippled stable anyway [13:24] how did he cripple it? [13:25] yippeee 36% [13:45] 48% === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [14:49] sitter: kaccounts-integration stable is w/o akonadi [14:54] I just noticed that today's Wily updates include libmir* Kubuntu does not need mir now (or ever?), right? [14:54] right [14:55] it is likely some libs will pull it though [15:04] 98% :D [17:32] probably because it was pulled in by qt or something [18:45] clivejo: it was compiling, got to 5% [18:45] then my battery died [18:45] I just got home [18:45] will restart it [18:53] ovidiu-florin: the bot seemed to work now [18:54] KubuntuSuperBot: test IRC -> Telegram [18:54] : Test telegram -> IRC [18:59] : Wow, how do you develop it? [19:00] : I found it on github [19:00] : Running it on my server atm [19:00]

: Awesome [19:00]

: Good jon Aaron [19:00] : I just installed it again and it worked [19:00]

: Awesome [19:01]

: please mark the bug report as fixed [19:01] KubuntuSuperBot: ok ovidiu [19:02]

: Also, can you please edit the bot so that it appends a TLG to the username, so the people that have the same nick don't get pinged on IRC everytime they say something [19:02] ? [19:02] KubuntuSuperBot: how do I do that ovidiu? [19:03] find where the message to IRC is composed [19:03] there's a mention of the username there [19:03] append a "TLG" [19:04] TLG? [19:05] irc.on('message', function(user, channel, message) { ? [19:06] ovidiu-florin: It compiled for me, but a lot of files changed [19:06] Im fixing the .install files at the moment [19:07] ahoneybun: Can you show me the code again? [19:07] give me the repo link [19:07] hangout? [19:07] can't now [19:07] ok [19:08] your talking about teleirc.js right [19:08] ? [19:17] I don't know the filenames nor the code by heart === rdieter is now known as rdieter_work [19:52] clivejo: this is the bug @ akregator i posted stack trace and is confirmed by other users [19:52] clivejo: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352512 [19:52] KDE bug 352512 in general "5.0.xx after a crash, the restore session pops up twice then akregator crashes" [Crash,Unconfirmed] [19:53] thanks soee [21:13] what is this: Maximum number of clients reachedQXcbConnection: Could not connect to display :0 [21:13] when trying to run ksysguard [21:35] https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-announce-apps/2015-September/005215.html [21:36] anybody up for packaging rsibreak? [21:36] no chance of getting it into wily if it ain't packaged [23:00] valorie: Im fighting with calligra [23:00] I'll write to the list [23:01] sitter says archive is in freeze right now anyway [23:01] so no hurry [23:06] valorie: are you on latets apps version in wily? [23:07] I think so [23:07] didn't do updates today, but otherwise.... [23:07] although I'm not on CI or anything exotic [23:07] why? [23:08] valorie: can you check if you can select multiple items in Dolphin ? [23:09] if i try to do this, i have in temrinal: Segmentation fault (zrzut pamięci) [23:09] zrzut pamięci = memory dump [23:09] 4 folders selected [23:09] :/ [23:09] do I need to do anything with them besides select? [23:10] nope [23:10] like, what view are you in? [23:10] i just can't select anythin more than 1 item :/ [23:10] interesting [23:10] i is default view mode [23:11] all the major menu items work with 4 folders selected [23:11] in all views [23:14] why when I add a bunch of files into not-installed is dh_install --list-missing still complaining about them?!? [23:15] valorie: https://youtu.be/OLch3QM3j5A [23:17] huh [23:17] soee can you do the same and select a picture file, do you see a thumbnail? [23:17] I did that identical thing with no problem [23:17] thumbnails work too [23:17] clivejo: file type doesn't matter [23:21] valorie: ok this is known as they told me on kde-devel [23:21] [01:20] soee: going to be fixed in kde-frameworks/baloo-5.15 or in a distro near you if you bug its package maintainer [23:22] Riddell: ^ can we get that fix into Wily ? [23:24] soee: please drop a note to kubuntu-devel ML so this doesn't get lost [23:25] valorie: i do not know how to use this ML :D - i never did [23:26] ! [23:27] just send a post to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com [23:27] I'll make sure it gets in [23:27] although everybody should be subbed, really [23:28] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel [23:29] IRC is fabulous when people are around, and you can get issues fixed immediately/soon [23:29] but the ML is there for everyone, whether or not they have access to IRC [23:34] And many workplaces (at least in the USA) block IRC ports [23:34] valorie: done [23:34] \o/ [23:35] mparillo: exactly [23:35] and many people are on crappy connections, etc. [23:35] I've never been successful at using IRC at big meetings, or even small ones like Randa [23:35] just impossible [23:36] slack ... :) [23:41] right, and telegram works [23:41] our slack test lacks a slack <> IRC bot [23:43] valorie: it doesn't :) [23:43] bot was working fine, just some users dodn't want to use non opensourced softwere [23:43] well, for sure [23:43] and I don't really, either [23:44] however, that doesn't prevent me from testing it [23:48] I thought slack was great, but yeah it being non free is going to make it rather unpopular in these parts [23:49] not much chance of them open-sourcing it either [23:49] it's a money maker for them in tech firms [23:49] yeah [23:50] money is cool [23:52] sort of necessary for eating and other stuff [23:53] :-) [23:53] indeed. I am rather short heh [23:54] may have to turn to the dark side =p [23:54] best of luck in your interviews [23:54] thanks [23:54] well but they support opensource projects but increasing plan for free :) [23:54] *by [23:54] right, and I appreciate that [23:55] there is this alternative for example https://rocket.chat/ [23:55] pizza now, though! [23:56] or this http://www.mattermost.org/ :)