[01:17] <valorie> my upgrade went well
[01:17] <valorie> and son fixed the wireless key problem which probably was pebkac
[03:10]  * ahoneybun makes a new post for mparillo
[03:13] <ahoneybun> does beta 2 not have 15.08.1 applications?
[03:13] <ahoneybun> Riddell:  
[03:18] <valorie> no, they weren 't uploaded quite in time
[03:19] <valorie> I guess part of them are in, part are not
[03:19] <valorie> launchpad fail
[03:20] <ahoneybun> mm
[03:20] <ahoneybun> ok
[03:20] <ahoneybun> so I have a draft
[03:21] <ahoneybun> valorie: http://imgur.com/I6X5Bt3
[03:24] <ahoneybun> mm looks like the Window Decorations KCM does not work
[03:25] <ahoneybun> ohhh
[03:25] <ahoneybun> I was not using it right
[03:25] <valorie> such a great banner
[03:26] <ahoneybun> andrea in the telegram group made that
[03:28] <ahoneybun> valorie: +1 about the hangouts for release and road ahead
[03:29] <valorie> :-)
[03:29] <valorie> nice to see things moving along
[03:30] <ahoneybun> I'll try the beta 2 tomorrow during lunch
[03:30] <ahoneybun> I'm not sure how ovidiu-florin turns off the comments on posts
[03:32] <ahoneybun> and it's live 
[03:32] <ahoneybun> http://kubuntu.org/news/
[03:32] <ahoneybun> well.. http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-15-10-beta-2/
[03:32] <valorie> I upgraded both my laptops today without incident
[03:32] <ahoneybun> nice
[03:33] <ahoneybun> I just got like 200 updates on my desktop (this one) but have not rebooted yet
[03:34] <ahoneybun> valorie: I think andrea has almost earned membership tbh
[03:34] <ahoneybun> he has done awesome artwork and always ready to help and throw around ideas
[03:34] <valorie> I submitted a comment
[03:34] <valorie> we'll see if it shows up
[03:34] <ahoneybun> yea I have to approve it
[03:35] <valorie> andrea needs to be on -devel ML
[03:35] <valorie> at least
[03:35] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:35] <valorie> I love telegram, but that is entirely extra
[03:35] <valorie> ML is core
[03:35] <valorie> also, you turned off your bot!
[03:36] <valorie> bot was super
[03:36] <ahoneybun> right that
[03:36] <ahoneybun> I rebuild the server as I messed the backup system up
[03:36] <ahoneybun> plus ovidiu-florin thought it would be better to have it on a kubuntu server then my own
[03:38] <ahoneybun> I need to have it run all the time on my server till it gets setup on another one maybe
[03:40] <valorie> we have a new server though
[03:40] <valorie> check that email from Riddell about it
[03:40] <valorie> if you don't have a login ask for one
[03:40] <valorie> certainly it should be on the kub. server
[03:41] <ahoneybun> yea I need to work out somethings with ovidiu-florin on it
[03:41] <ahoneybun> also need to get docs.kubuntu.org/co.uk backup
 super
 test test
[03:43] <ahoneybun> KubuntuSuperBot: test
[03:44] <ahoneybun> wait what...
[03:44] <ahoneybun> that works now?
[03:44] <ahoneybun> KubuntuSuperBot: hola @valorie
[03:44] <ahoneybun> well then
[03:44] <ahoneybun> no idea why that works now
[03:44] <ahoneybun> XD
 Holy spam batman
[03:45] <sgclark> haha neat
[03:45] <ahoneybun> KubuntuSuperBot: hello sgclark
[03:45] <ahoneybun> hey sgclark
 Doesnt go back to telegram?
[03:46] <ahoneybun> KubuntuSuperBot: looks like it does sgclark
 Oh. Somehow I am sgclark2 here
 Hmm
[03:47] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:47] <ahoneybun> the nickname thing could be a issue
[03:47] <ahoneybun> or bump really
[03:48] <sgclark> yep, seem someone snagged my nick
[03:49] <ahoneybun> I took my own but its locked with my old number
[03:49] <ahoneybun> so... lol
[03:49] <ahoneybun> KubuntuSuperBot: hello telegram people from IRC!
[03:50] <ahoneybun> mm
[03:50] <ahoneybun> KubuntuSuperBot: /time
[03:50] <ahoneybun> damn
[03:50] <valorie> \o/
 /time
[03:51] <ahoneybun> damn I can't do that
 /time@KubuntuBot
 @kubuntubot, would be nice to have the telegram app in the archive, since there is a package for it from Telegram
[03:53] <ahoneybun> mm
[03:53] <ahoneybun> I can't download it
[03:53] <ahoneybun> keeps failing
[03:54] <ahoneybun> KubuntuSuperBot: keeps failing valorie
[03:56] <ahoneybun> anyway I'm heading off
[03:57] <valorie> ugh, it's in a PPA
[03:57] <valorie> I filed a bug last night because it's not packaged
[03:58] <valorie> too late for wily
[03:58] <valorie> should have done it in August
[03:58] <valorie> niters
[03:58] <ahoneybun> night
[03:58] <ahoneybun> KubuntuSuperBot: night all
[04:38] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: why didn't you make the beta 2 announcement the same as the wiki page?
[04:41] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: I've made a few small adjustments to the release announcement page.
[07:16] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:20] <sitter> Riddell: kamoso_3.0+git20150925.0303+15.04-0.dsc: Version older than that in the archive. 3.0+git20150925.0303+15.04-0 <= 3.0.0~rc1+git20150924.0208+15.04-0
[07:21] <Riddell> I think upstream needs to get nicer versioning :)
[07:22] <Riddell> Clivejo was fixing that
[07:22] <Riddell> I'm away today
[07:31] <sitter> kaccounts stable is broken
[07:31] <sitter> -- The following OPTIONAL packages have not been found:
[07:31] <sitter>  * KF5Akonadi
[07:31] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_stable_kaccounts-integration/29/changes#detail
[07:32] <sitter> Remove akonadi build-dep on advise of upstream author <mck182> the code
[07:32] <sitter> is so outdated that I don't even believe it works these days
[07:32] <sitter> mck182: isn't that the thing you wanted to do upstream?
[07:32] <sitter> ah, he's in the past now
[08:29] <sick_rimmit> Good Morning friends
[08:30] <sick_rimmit> I remember on my way into work this morning, that I hadn't got Konversation auto starting
[08:30] <sick_rimmit> Hence why you haven't seen me in here for a while
[08:34] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[08:42] <sick_rimmit> valorie: Ah shucks!! thank you ;-D
[08:43] <valorie> gotta have konvi autostart!
[08:43] <valorie> actually, I just don't shut down, so all my *buntu ISOs can keep seeding while I sleep
[08:44] <valorie> but gotta go to sleep now, before 2am!
[09:17] <sick_rimmit> Nite valorie
[09:20] <TJ-> sddm-greeter is broken: with multiple X screens and Xinerama enabled it hangs (with blank monitors) even when sddm is stopped.
[09:43] <sitter> don't do that then
[09:43] <TJ-> What?
[09:44] <TJ-> unfortunately, kde5 seems to be badly broken with multiple X screens whichever way they're configured
[10:02] <TJ-> When kwin_x11 is running, is it supposed to launch an additional program to manage the desktop and taskbar, if so, what program is launched?
[10:04] <yofel> deskotp and taskbar is plasmashell
[10:11] <TJ-> Does it start plasmashell via Dbus itself, or is it via KScreen? I've trying to debuyg a regression vs 14.04 with 4 X screens. With 15.10 only the first x screen is getting a shell. The other 3 X screens are active and the mouse moves through them, but there's no user interface, no right-click, etc.
[10:12] <TJ-> .xsession-errors is next to useless without timestamps and facility prefixes. Can't tell where the messages came from or what the timings are, so can't correlate to other system logs
[10:14] <TJ-> (although, someone should look at the messages there, it indicates many bugs with themes and QT properties missing)
[10:26] <TJ-> Looks look kde5 has completely broken the multi-screen support. Using separate X screens (as with 14.04) "konsole --display :0.2" puts an instance on :0.0 with broken/incomplete graphics
[10:29] <sitter> There is no KDE is a community. The product is Plasma 5
[10:30] <sitter> and on that note you are in the wrong channel -> #plasma
[10:31] <TJ-> I'll stick with 14.04; I can't afford another 2 months trying to fix breakages
[10:33] <clivejo> TJ-: what is broken?  I use dual monitors on wily with no problems? 
[10:35] <TJ-> clivejo: My setup is 6 monitors across 3 GPUs and 4 X screens. On Trusty/KDE4 it was mostly ok (except for the screenlock bug that didn't lock anything but :0.0, but 15.10/KDE5 seems to be totally broken
[10:36]  * clivejo gulps
[10:37] <clivejo> well plasma is the best place to ask
[10:38] <TJ-> clivejo: KDE has always been great with it. It's a laptop with an external Quadro NVS420 attached via ExpressCard.
[10:39] <clivejo> TJ-: but you gotta understand plasma 5 is new, there are going to be bugs.  Best way to make it better is to talk to the guys writing the code and get it working :)
[10:40] <clivejo> sitter: do I have a personal git I can use?
[10:41] <sitter> clivejo: what do you mean and for what do you want to use it?
[10:42] <sitter> TJ-: you can talk in here all day long. you have to go to #plasma if you want this to change and/or file bug reports on bugs.kde.org
[10:42] <TJ-> clivejo: I will do once I've figured out what order things start. I'm not convinced its getting to Plasma that's the thing - it looks like it goes kdeint5 > ksmserver > kwin_x11 > plasmashell, but I'm having difficulty figuring out how to capture what is happening
[10:43] <TJ-> sitter: There's no point doing that until I understand how to capture some useful logs. I'll check in #plasma later on once I've read the source code 
[10:44] <sitter> one would think people there can tell you how to get useful logs for them
[10:44] <TJ-> I've got 4 kwin_x11 processes, which seems to match what kde4 shows, so if that process is responsible for starting plasmashell via Dbus I can start there. 
[10:45] <TJ-> sitter: Ack. I'll do that later; my Huskies need a long run around the farm right now :)
[10:45] <clivejo> sitter: Im trying to package calligra, the source I grabbed yesterday is broken, so I want to push my calligra kf5 packaging into a git archive 
[10:45] <sitter> clivejo: are you kde dev yet?
[10:45] <clivejo> no idea
[10:46] <sitter> probably not then
[10:46] <clivejo> I have KDE login
[10:46] <sitter> you need special permissions to push stuff though
[10:46] <sitter> clivejo: anyway, gitlab or github is where you want to put it until you get commit access
[10:46] <clivejo> Ive got a github account
[10:46] <sitter> although TBH unless your disk explodes you can simply create local clones
[10:47] <clivejo> sitter: ovidiu-florin wanted to have calligra in CI, is that possible?
[10:47] <sitter> only when ported and only when it is approaching a release
[10:48] <clivejo> any possiblity to creating packaging on Alioth?
[10:51] <sitter> why isn't it there?
[10:51] <sitter> clivejo: you can push to alioth no?
[10:52] <clivejo> I can, but not sure on the strtucture yet
[10:52] <clivejo> or how to create new projects on it
[10:52] <sitter> clivejo: push kubuntu_wily_archive into kde-std/calligra.git
[10:52] <sitter> you don't need a new project
[10:53] <sitter> in fact what you should do is... branch master into kubuntu_wily_archive
[10:53] <sitter> and then copy our changes ontop of that
[10:53] <clivejo> is calligra there?
[10:54] <clivejo> ah, found it
[11:03] <clivejo> sitter: so I create a new branch - git checkout -b kubuntu_wily_archive
[11:03] <clivejo> and then git push to the archive?
[11:03] <sitter> clivejo: yeah. but when applying our packaging on top of that you'll want to entirely review the diff
[11:04] <sitter> and possibly throw away what isn't absolutely necessary
[11:04] <clivejo> I sat down with the CMake file and generated a new list of build-deps
[11:05] <clivejo> but the source wouldnt build for me
[11:05] <clivejo> I think the lastest source was broken when I grabbed it, so Im grabbing it again now
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:08] <clivejo> sitter: also, I keep getting a message when I push "warning: push.default is unset; its implicit value has changed in Git 2.0 from 'matching' to 'simple'. To squelch this message and maintain the traditional behaviour, use:"
[11:08] <clivejo> which behaviour should I use?
[11:08] <clivejo> hi BluesKajl
[11:08] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: have you managed to put it in Alitoth?
[11:08] <sitter> I dunno
[11:09] <sitter> clivejo: you should git push origin kubuntu_wily_archive
[11:09] <sitter> I'd highly advise against running git push without telling where you want to push explicitly
[11:09] <sitter> when not completely awake that can easily get you in trouble ^^
[11:09] <clivejo> sitter: Im going to use the command "git push --set-upstream origin kubuntu_wily_archive"
[11:09] <sitter> yep
[11:10] <clivejo> but so far everytime I use push it gives me this choice
[11:10] <clivejo> but I dont know what to choose!
[11:10] <sitter> Oo
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hey clivejo
[11:10] <sitter> you should only need to --set-upstream once
[11:10] <sitter> after that you have a tracking branch and git will know where to push
[11:10] <clivejo> sitter: this message appears all the time
[11:11] <clivejo> even when using the automation scripts
[11:11] <sitter> well, clearly your setup is wrong :P
[11:11] <clivejo> LOL yeah, but do I pick simple or matching :P
[11:12] <sitter> I dunno what that even means
[11:12] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: Ive just created a kubuntu_wily_archive branch on Alioth - http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/kde-std/calligra.git/
[11:12] <sitter> $ git config push.default     
[11:12] <sitter> simple
[11:12] <sitter> clivejo: simple apparently
[11:13] <clivejo> me neither, hence asking someone more knowledge in these matters ;)
[11:13] <clivejo> ok simple it it
[11:13] <clivejo> is
[11:13] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: did you get calligra to build?
[11:14] <clivejo> I got to 34% and it failed :(
[11:14] <ovidiu-florin> haven't worked on it anymore last night
[11:14] <ovidiu-florin> saw that build-dep did not solve the issue
[11:14] <ovidiu-florin> with the weekly CI
[11:14] <ovidiu-florin> so I started complaining here
[11:14] <ovidiu-florin> and worked on something else
[11:15] <ovidiu-florin> but I'll finish it today
[11:16] <clivejo> sitter: whats your opinion on this? calligra version is set(CALLIGRA_STABLE_VERSION_MAJOR 3) # 3 for 3.x, 4 for 4.x, etc. set(CALLIGRA_STABLE_VERSION_MINOR 0) # 0 for 3.0, 1 for 3.1, etc. set(CALLIGRA_VERSION_RELEASE 89) 
[11:17] <clivejo> should the debian version be 3.0.89 or 3.0.0~89 ?
[11:18] <clivejo> or something else :/
[11:18] <ovidiu-florin> what's the package version?
[11:18] <ovidiu-florin> the package not the software
[11:18] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: I dont know, thats what Im trying to determine
[11:19] <ovidiu-florin> has this software release been packaged before?
[11:19] <clivejo> yes
[11:19] <clivejo> 2.9.7 is lastest I believe
[11:19] <ovidiu-florin> what's the name of that previous package?
[11:19] <ovidiu-florin> that's the software version
[11:19] <ovidiu-florin> what's after the minus is the package version
[11:20] <ovidiu-florin> I'm not sure what the ~ stands for
[11:25] <TJ-> ~ is a local version that can be over-ridden by a published version at the same major.minor.revision
[11:25] <TJ-> E.g. Given  1.2.3~4 and 1.2.3 apt will choose 1.2.3 as the later version
[11:25] <sitter> clivejo: surely the package version should be 2.9.7?
[11:28] <clivejo> that was the last released version, but Im trying to package the lastest one which will be 3.0.0
[11:29] <clivejo> should it maybe have a git20150925 appended to it?
[11:29] <clivejo> as thats the source?
[11:30] <sitter> clivejo: 2.9.7+git2000
[11:30] <sitter> it's dangerous to make assumptions about versions numbers that have not been released
[11:31] <clivejo> I know
[11:31] <clivejo> got bit in the backside with kamoso
[12:54] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: getting anywhere with calligra?
[12:54] <clivejo> Ive just started a build using sourcecode grabbed today
[12:55] <clivejo> hopefully get past the 34% mark
[13:03] <mck182> sitter: right...stupid stable branches.
[13:03] <mck182> always getting forgotten
[13:03] <sitter> not sure why jon crippled stable anyway
[13:24] <clivejo> how did he cripple it?
[13:25] <clivejo> yippeee 36%
[13:45] <clivejo> 48%
[14:49] <mck182> sitter: kaccounts-integration stable is w/o akonadi
[14:54] <marco-parillo> I just noticed that today's Wily updates include libmir* Kubuntu does not need mir now (or ever?), right?
[14:54] <bshah> right
[14:55] <mck182> it is likely some libs will pull it though
[15:04] <clivejo> 98% :D
[17:32] <shadeslayer> probably because it was pulled in by qt or something
[18:45] <ovidiu-florin> clivejo: it was compiling, got to 5%
[18:45] <ovidiu-florin> then my battery died
[18:45] <ovidiu-florin> I just got home
[18:45] <ovidiu-florin> will restart it
[18:53] <ahoneybun> ovidiu-florin: the bot seemed to work now
[18:54] <ahoneybun> KubuntuSuperBot: test IRC -> Telegram
 Test telegram -> IRC
 Wow, how do you develop it?
 I found it on github
 Running it on my server atm
 Awesome
 Good jon Aaron
 I just installed it again and it worked
 Awesome
 please mark the bug report as fixed
[19:01] <ahoneybun> KubuntuSuperBot: ok ovidiu
 Also, can you please edit the bot so that it appends a TLG to the username, so the people that have the same nick don't get pinged on IRC everytime they say something
[19:02] <ahoneybun> ?
[19:02] <ahoneybun> KubuntuSuperBot: how do I do that ovidiu?
[19:03] <ovidiu-florin> find where the message to IRC is composed
[19:03] <ovidiu-florin> there's a mention of the username there
[19:03] <ovidiu-florin> append a "TLG"
[19:04] <ahoneybun> TLG?
[19:05] <ahoneybun> irc.on('message', function(user, channel, message) { ?
[19:06] <clivejo> ovidiu-florin: It compiled for me, but a lot of files changed
[19:06] <clivejo> Im fixing the .install files at the moment
[19:07] <ovidiu-florin> ahoneybun: Can you show me the code again?
[19:07] <ovidiu-florin> give me the repo link
[19:07] <ahoneybun> hangout?
[19:07] <ovidiu-florin> can't now
[19:07] <ahoneybun> ok
[19:08] <ahoneybun> your talking about teleirc.js right
[19:08] <ahoneybun> ?
[19:17] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know the filenames nor the code by heart
[19:52] <soee> clivejo: this is the bug @ akregator i posted stack trace and is confirmed by other users
[19:52] <soee> clivejo: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352512
[19:53] <clivejo> thanks soee
[21:13] <soee> what is this: Maximum number of clients reachedQXcbConnection: Could not connect to display :0
[21:13] <soee> when trying to run ksysguard
[21:35] <valorie> https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-announce-apps/2015-September/005215.html
[21:36] <valorie> anybody up for packaging rsibreak?
[21:36] <valorie> no chance of getting it into wily if it ain't packaged
[23:00] <clivejo> valorie: Im fighting with calligra
[23:00] <valorie> I'll write to the list
[23:01] <valorie> sitter says archive is in freeze right now anyway
[23:01] <valorie> so no hurry
[23:06] <soee> valorie: are you on latets apps version in wily?
[23:07] <valorie> I think so
[23:07] <valorie> didn't do updates today, but otherwise....
[23:07] <valorie> although I'm not on CI or anything exotic
[23:07] <valorie> why?
[23:08] <soee> valorie: can you check if you can select multiple items in Dolphin ?
[23:09] <soee> if i try to do this, i have in temrinal: Segmentation fault (zrzut pamięci)
[23:09] <soee> zrzut pamięci = memory dump
[23:09] <valorie> 4 folders selected
[23:09] <soee> :/
[23:09] <valorie> do I need to do anything with them besides select?
[23:10] <soee> nope
[23:10] <valorie> like, what view are you in?
[23:10] <soee> i just can't select anythin more than 1 item :/
[23:10] <valorie> interesting
[23:10] <soee> i is default view mode
[23:11] <valorie> all the major menu items work with 4 folders selected
[23:11] <valorie> in all views
[23:14] <clivejo> why when I add a bunch of files into not-installed is dh_install --list-missing still complaining about them?!?
[23:15] <soee> valorie: https://youtu.be/OLch3QM3j5A
[23:17] <valorie> huh
[23:17] <clivejo> soee can you do the same and select a picture file, do you see a thumbnail?
[23:17] <valorie> I did that identical thing with no problem
[23:17] <valorie> thumbnails work too
[23:17] <soee> clivejo: file type doesn't matter
[23:21] <soee> valorie: ok this is known as they told me on kde-devel
[23:21] <soee> [01:20] <genstorm> soee: going to be fixed in kde-frameworks/baloo-5.15 or in a distro near you if you bug its package maintainer
[23:22] <soee> Riddell: ^ can we get that fix into Wily ?
[23:24] <valorie> soee: please drop a note to kubuntu-devel ML so this doesn't get lost
[23:25] <soee> valorie: i do not know how to use this ML :D - i never did
[23:26] <valorie> !
[23:27] <valorie> just send a post to kubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[23:27] <valorie> I'll make sure it gets in
[23:27] <valorie> although everybody should be subbed, really
[23:28] <valorie> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[23:29] <valorie> IRC is fabulous when people are around, and you can get issues fixed immediately/soon
[23:29] <valorie> but the ML is there for everyone, whether or not they have access to IRC
[23:34] <mparillo> And many workplaces (at least in the USA) block IRC ports
[23:34] <soee> valorie: done
[23:34] <valorie> \o/
[23:35] <valorie> mparillo: exactly
[23:35] <valorie> and many people are on crappy connections, etc.
[23:35] <valorie> I've never been successful at using IRC at big meetings, or even small ones like Randa
[23:35] <valorie> just impossible
[23:36] <soee> slack ... :)
[23:41] <valorie> right, and telegram works
[23:41] <valorie> our slack test lacks a slack <> IRC bot
[23:43] <soee> valorie: it doesn't :)
[23:43] <soee> bot was working fine, just some users dodn't want to use non opensourced softwere
[23:43] <valorie> well, for sure
[23:43] <valorie> and I don't really, either
[23:44] <valorie> however, that doesn't prevent me from testing it
[23:48] <sgclark> I thought slack was great, but yeah it being non free is going to make it rather unpopular in these parts
[23:49] <valorie> not much chance of them open-sourcing it either
[23:49] <valorie> it's a money maker for them in tech firms
[23:49] <sgclark> yeah
[23:50] <sgclark> money is cool
[23:52] <valorie> sort of necessary for eating and other stuff
[23:53] <valorie> :-)
[23:53] <sgclark> indeed. I am rather short heh
[23:54] <sgclark> may have to turn to the dark side =p
[23:54] <valorie> best of luck in your interviews
[23:54] <sgclark> thanks
[23:54] <soee> well but they support opensource projects but increasing plan for free :)
[23:54] <soee> *by
[23:54] <valorie> right, and I appreciate that
[23:55] <soee> there is this alternative for example https://rocket.chat/
[23:55] <valorie> pizza now, though!
[23:56] <soee> or this http://www.mattermost.org/ :)