[00:00] <bluesabre> bbiab
[00:00] <knome> hf
[00:33] <bluesabre> sed
[00:33] <bluesabre> s/sed/sed/
[00:33] <SwissBot> bluesabre: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[00:33] <bluesabre> boo
[00:34] <knome> help sed
[00:34] <knome> SwissBot, help sed!
[00:34] <SwissBot> no help for topic sed!
[00:34] <knome> ;)
[00:34] <Unit193> I need a banana.
[00:34] <Unit193> s/banana/coffee/
[00:34] <SwissBot> Unit193 meant: "I need a coffee."
[00:35] <bluesabre> no, Unit193 needs a banana
[00:35] <bluesabre> silly bot
[00:57] <knome> too easy to become annoyed at a bot giving nutritional advice, we don't need one :P
[00:57] <knome> though the fact that Unit193 needs a banana is true, it IS his payday
[05:45] <pleia2> g+ and fb the final beta post
[05:51] <Unit193> \o/
[05:53] <flocculant> I see the release announcement got screwed up for us yet again
[05:53] <flocculant> does no-one ever check these things :|
[12:42] <flocculant> given one person's confusion - I didn't mean *our stuff* but the one on the release m/l ;)
[15:33] <drc> Quick question...with 15.10 (b1 and b2) I keep getting a "_usr_lib_x86_64-linux-gnu_xfce4_panel_wrapper-1.0.1000.crash" in /var/crash on boot.  Nothing bad happens and it doesn't try to get me to report it, but happens every boot.
[15:35] <drc> OK, just reported it, says it already known.
[18:11] <flocculant> yep - saw that reported 
[18:18] <drc> It was just strange, if I hadn't checked /var/crash , I'd never have know about it.
[18:18] <flocculant> yep - that's what crash does afaik
[18:19] <flocculant> or rather I think it's an error - which reports directly without human intervention 
[18:22] <drc> Well, some problems (such as thunar and calibre errors) result in a popup asking if you want to report something.  If yes, there are 2 additional files (one for gathering data and one showing what was uploaded) placed in /var/crash showing the error report)s).  Clicking on the *.crash and reporting will also place those files there,
[18:23] <drc> So, no, I don't think it was an auto-report.
[18:23] <flocculant> yes - if you see no popup - it's just been reported to errors.ubuntu.com I think 
[18:25] <drc> It would be a Good Thing (tm) if it was :)
[18:43] <flocculant> ali1234 I think is the one to ask :)
[18:44] <flocculant> but I'm pretty sure it gets turned off for released versions 
[20:05] <Nairwolf> Hi, I've missed the test before the release of xubuntu beta @
[20:05] <Nairwolf> beta2
[20:05] <Nairwolf> so, now if i want to test, it's better to use the daily, right ? 
[20:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: idea: expand xfpanel-switch in the next release to save/restore more settings, more like a profile manager. so it would not just change panel layout but also gtk/xfwm theme etc. so redmond would look even more like redmond and gnome2 even more like gnome2 (that sorta implies we ship befitting themes ofc)
[20:10] <knome> Nairwolf, yes; practically, you have no other option
[20:12] <Nairwolf> okay ;)
[20:12] <Nairwolf> I'm donwloading it right now ;)
[20:13] <knome> Nairwolf, if you downloaded the beta, you could zsync to the daily, so you wouldn't need to download it all again
[20:14] <drc> knome: But then are you really testing the (live) iso?
[20:14] <drc> For testing an install, I'd agree.
[20:14] <knome> i don't understand how it'd be any different for the live ISO?
[20:14] <knome> zsyncing isn't magical updating of packages inside the ISO
[20:15] <knome> it's just getting a newer version of it
[20:15] <knome> as if you'd download it all again
[20:15] <knome> except that you only download "new" parts
[20:17] <drc> I'll defer you your knowledge (that's why I asked the question...I didn't know)
[20:17] <knome> np - now you know
[20:18] <flocculant> I use zsync all the time
[20:18] <drc> yup...knowledge is a dangerous comodity though :)
[20:18] <knome> as is spelling
[20:18]  * flocculant really must finish his testing for xubuntu post - with all those niceties listed out
[20:19] <drc> I wouldn't know about that :)
[20:19] <flocculant> evening ochosi 
[20:24] <ochosi> evening flocculant 
[20:25] <flocculant> ochosi: wouldn't that make for a huge number of versions? if we have 5 presets and a bunch of themes? 
[20:25] <ochosi> nah, i'd do them in a very focused way
[20:25] <ochosi> not endless combinations
[20:25] <ochosi> but yeah, maybe that's a different app, i'm not sure
[20:26] <ochosi> there were plans for doing such a profile manager upstream a few years ago
[20:26] <ochosi> but sarts never finished it
[20:26] <flocculant> mmm - not sure how I feel about that - seems to give the appearance that we don't actually like our defaults :)
[20:26] <ochosi> nah, not really
[20:26] <flocculant> I can understand panels 
[20:26] <ochosi> it's just another way of easing in new users and showing them how customizable xfce is
[20:26] <flocculant> mmm
[20:27] <ochosi> same as with the gmusicbrowser layouts
[20:27] <flocculant> I could understand having an accessibility one perhaps
[20:27] <flocculant> refusing to get into *any* sort of gmb discussion :D
[20:28] <ochosi> heh
[20:28] <ochosi> well not necessary really, just saying that we've done this sort of thing before
[20:29] <flocculant> :)
[20:29] <flocculant> yes - but gmb is one thing with x versions
[20:30] <flocculant> you start fiddling with panels and themes - if you had 5 panels and 5 themes - without cutting down - that's over 100 different perms
[20:31] <ochosi> no wait, the idea is to have fixed combinations and give users a way of backing up or sharing their settings easily
[20:31] <ochosi> i don't want 5*5 presets
[20:31] <ochosi> just 5
[20:31] <flocculant> ok
[20:32] <flocculant> oic - that's a huge difference obviously :)
[20:32] <flocculant> that I'd not have a problem with - though I would suggest adding an accessibility one in to the mix 
[20:32] <ochosi> so if you select gnome2, you'd get adwaita, the gnome icons and the gnome2 panel layout and font set to cantarell (or whatever their default is these days)
[20:33] <flocculant> yep - I see what you mean now 
[20:33] <ochosi> if you select redmond, you'd get maybe bluebird and some win7 like xfwm4 theme etc
[20:33] <flocculant> ack
[20:33] <ochosi> ideally though those things should end up as containers, carrying everything you need
[20:34] <ochosi> so the themes and fonts would be inside the tarball as well
[20:34] <ochosi> otherwise you select a preset and you're missing a depend
[20:34] <ochosi> and you end up with something that looks messed up
[20:34] <ochosi> or alternatively we could check whether all depends are installed and show a warning in case it's not the case
[20:35] <flocculant> yep - that all sounds sensible 
[20:35]  * ochosi is happy he's finally making *some* sense
[20:35] <flocculant> with my hat on - I'd not be very amused if it all turned up in March :D
[20:36] <flocculant> ochosi: yea - long day here - and typed before I'd thought more :) 
[20:37] <flocculant> sean's reply to the mail "one thing I would like to see are more non-critical bug reports.  Usability bugs, missing icons, inconsistent functionality" covers this idea :)
[20:37] <ochosi> not even sure we'll implement many new features for 16.04
[20:37] <ochosi> yup
[20:37] <ochosi> i'd prefer to focus on polishing too
[20:38] <flocculant> yea 
[20:38] <ochosi> we'll likely have to fix some stuff anyway, with new gtk3 version and potentially other new things floating in
[20:38] <flocculant> 6 months of making sure we're rock solid will be 6 months well spent 
[20:38] <flocculant> yep - understand that 
[20:39] <ochosi> so anyway, you might have to start training your eyes for those elliptical circles after all...
[20:40] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[20:40] <ochosi> ;)
[20:42] <flocculant> I can see the difference when they're like this http://bit.ly/1JuapXL
[20:42] <ochosi> alt + mousewheel is your friend
[20:43] <ochosi> (also, i love that mushroom!)
[20:43] <flocculant> absolutely it is :D
[20:43] <flocculant> oh yes - I can see that now ... 
[20:47] <flocculant> bluesabre: re bug 1497170 you comment about xfce, but this is also seen on ubuntu - thought I'd make that plain if I hadn't previously
[21:51] <flocculant> that thing's really nosy :p
[21:54] <knome> heh
[23:27] <pleia2> knome: still awake for a bit?
[23:28] <flocculant> I think he ran away all scared of Friday 
[23:31] <drc> Bah...knome ain't 'friad of nuthin; !
[23:32] <flocculant> pleia2: I assume you did fb and g+ - thanks :)
[23:32] <pleia2> flocculant: final beta announcement? yep!
[23:32] <flocculant> :)
[23:33] <flocculant> the m/l announcement failed to list our wiki notes - not a big deal - but I do wish they'd get a pair of other eyes on it 
[23:34] <pleia2> agreed
[23:34] <flocculant> though as someone in offtopic said - at least we weren't Mate Xubuntu this time :D
[23:34] <pleia2> Xbuntu? :)
[23:34] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[23:35] <flocculant> on the other hand don't want to moan given the help they do give us when it's needed ;)
[23:35]  * pleia2 nods
[23:36] <flocculant> I'll help when it's final release ... 
[23:37] <pleia2> I won't
[23:37] <flocculant> I mean - I'll help with the release notes :D
[23:38] <pleia2> hehe
[23:38] <pleia2> I'm going to be wandering around japan that day
[23:38] <flocculant> oh nice :)
[23:39] <flocculant> I'd love to be in a position to wander the globe working 
[23:39] <flocculant> bit offtopic ... 
[23:43] <drc> Not if pleia2 takes some stickers with her :)
[23:44] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[23:45] <flocculant> pleia2: got to say - I like to see (and read ofc) the Xubuntu at ... posts 
[23:46] <pleia2> I'm glad :)
[23:46] <pleia2> they keep me motivated
[23:47] <flocculant> yep I bet :)
[23:47] <flocculant> should use those as an example on the comm m/l 
[23:48] <pleia2> good idea
[23:48] <flocculant> \o/ 
[23:48] <flocculant> still got it ... 
[23:48] <pleia2> hehe
[23:49] <flocculant> make sure to add an emojii or two 
[23:49] <flocculant> :p
[23:49] <pleia2> x_x
[23:50] <flocculant> :D