[00:00] bbiab [00:00] hf [00:33] sed [00:33] s/sed/sed/ [00:33] bluesabre: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [00:33] boo [00:34] help sed [00:34] SwissBot, help sed! [00:34] no help for topic sed! [00:34] ;) [00:34] I need a banana. [00:34] s/banana/coffee/ [00:34] Unit193 meant: "I need a coffee." [00:35] no, Unit193 needs a banana [00:35] silly bot [00:57] too easy to become annoyed at a bot giving nutritional advice, we don't need one :P [00:57] though the fact that Unit193 needs a banana is true, it IS his payday [05:45] g+ and fb the final beta post [05:51] \o/ [05:53] I see the release announcement got screwed up for us yet again [05:53] does no-one ever check these things :| [12:42] given one person's confusion - I didn't mean *our stuff* but the one on the release m/l ;) [15:33] Quick question...with 15.10 (b1 and b2) I keep getting a "_usr_lib_x86_64-linux-gnu_xfce4_panel_wrapper-1.0.1000.crash" in /var/crash on boot. Nothing bad happens and it doesn't try to get me to report it, but happens every boot. [15:35] OK, just reported it, says it already known. [18:11] yep - saw that reported [18:18] It was just strange, if I hadn't checked /var/crash , I'd never have know about it. [18:18] yep - that's what crash does afaik [18:19] or rather I think it's an error - which reports directly without human intervention [18:22] Well, some problems (such as thunar and calibre errors) result in a popup asking if you want to report something. If yes, there are 2 additional files (one for gathering data and one showing what was uploaded) placed in /var/crash showing the error report)s). Clicking on the *.crash and reporting will also place those files there, [18:23] So, no, I don't think it was an auto-report. [18:23] yes - if you see no popup - it's just been reported to errors.ubuntu.com I think [18:25] It would be a Good Thing (tm) if it was :) [18:43] ali1234 I think is the one to ask :) [18:44] but I'm pretty sure it gets turned off for released versions [20:05] Hi, I've missed the test before the release of xubuntu beta @ [20:05] beta2 [20:05] so, now if i want to test, it's better to use the daily, right ? [20:08] bluesabre: idea: expand xfpanel-switch in the next release to save/restore more settings, more like a profile manager. so it would not just change panel layout but also gtk/xfwm theme etc. so redmond would look even more like redmond and gnome2 even more like gnome2 (that sorta implies we ship befitting themes ofc) [20:10] Nairwolf, yes; practically, you have no other option [20:12] okay ;) [20:12] I'm donwloading it right now ;) [20:13] Nairwolf, if you downloaded the beta, you could zsync to the daily, so you wouldn't need to download it all again [20:14] knome: But then are you really testing the (live) iso? [20:14] For testing an install, I'd agree. [20:14] i don't understand how it'd be any different for the live ISO? [20:14] zsyncing isn't magical updating of packages inside the ISO [20:15] it's just getting a newer version of it [20:15] as if you'd download it all again [20:15] except that you only download "new" parts [20:17] I'll defer you your knowledge (that's why I asked the question...I didn't know) [20:17] np - now you know [20:18] I use zsync all the time [20:18] yup...knowledge is a dangerous comodity though :) [20:18] as is spelling [20:18] * flocculant really must finish his testing for xubuntu post - with all those niceties listed out [20:19] I wouldn't know about that :) [20:19] evening ochosi [20:24] evening flocculant [20:25] ochosi: wouldn't that make for a huge number of versions? if we have 5 presets and a bunch of themes? [20:25] nah, i'd do them in a very focused way [20:25] not endless combinations [20:25] but yeah, maybe that's a different app, i'm not sure [20:26] there were plans for doing such a profile manager upstream a few years ago [20:26] but sarts never finished it [20:26] mmm - not sure how I feel about that - seems to give the appearance that we don't actually like our defaults :) [20:26] nah, not really [20:26] I can understand panels [20:26] it's just another way of easing in new users and showing them how customizable xfce is [20:26] mmm [20:27] same as with the gmusicbrowser layouts [20:27] I could understand having an accessibility one perhaps [20:27] refusing to get into *any* sort of gmb discussion :D [20:28] heh [20:28] well not necessary really, just saying that we've done this sort of thing before [20:29] :) [20:29] yes - but gmb is one thing with x versions [20:30] you start fiddling with panels and themes - if you had 5 panels and 5 themes - without cutting down - that's over 100 different perms [20:31] no wait, the idea is to have fixed combinations and give users a way of backing up or sharing their settings easily [20:31] i don't want 5*5 presets [20:31] just 5 [20:31] ok [20:32] oic - that's a huge difference obviously :) [20:32] that I'd not have a problem with - though I would suggest adding an accessibility one in to the mix [20:32] so if you select gnome2, you'd get adwaita, the gnome icons and the gnome2 panel layout and font set to cantarell (or whatever their default is these days) [20:33] yep - I see what you mean now [20:33] if you select redmond, you'd get maybe bluebird and some win7 like xfwm4 theme etc [20:33] ack [20:33] ideally though those things should end up as containers, carrying everything you need [20:34] so the themes and fonts would be inside the tarball as well [20:34] otherwise you select a preset and you're missing a depend [20:34] and you end up with something that looks messed up [20:34] or alternatively we could check whether all depends are installed and show a warning in case it's not the case [20:35] yep - that all sounds sensible [20:35] * ochosi is happy he's finally making *some* sense [20:35] with my hat on - I'd not be very amused if it all turned up in March :D [20:36] ochosi: yea - long day here - and typed before I'd thought more :) [20:37] sean's reply to the mail "one thing I would like to see are more non-critical bug reports. Usability bugs, missing icons, inconsistent functionality" covers this idea :) [20:37] not even sure we'll implement many new features for 16.04 [20:37] yup [20:37] i'd prefer to focus on polishing too [20:38] yea [20:38] we'll likely have to fix some stuff anyway, with new gtk3 version and potentially other new things floating in [20:38] 6 months of making sure we're rock solid will be 6 months well spent [20:38] yep - understand that [20:39] so anyway, you might have to start training your eyes for those elliptical circles after all... [20:40] ha ha ha [20:40] ;) [20:42] I can see the difference when they're like this http://bit.ly/1JuapXL [20:42] alt + mousewheel is your friend [20:43] (also, i love that mushroom!) [20:43] absolutely it is :D [20:43] oh yes - I can see that now ... [20:47] bluesabre: re bug 1497170 you comment about xfce, but this is also seen on ubuntu - thought I'd make that plain if I hadn't previously [20:47] bug 1497170 in xdg-utils (Ubuntu) "New file creation - not opening with file editor" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1497170 [21:51] that thing's really nosy :p [21:54] heh [23:27] knome: still awake for a bit? [23:28] I think he ran away all scared of Friday [23:31] Bah...knome ain't 'friad of nuthin; ! [23:32] pleia2: I assume you did fb and g+ - thanks :) [23:32] flocculant: final beta announcement? yep! [23:32] :) [23:33] the m/l announcement failed to list our wiki notes - not a big deal - but I do wish they'd get a pair of other eyes on it [23:34] agreed [23:34] though as someone in offtopic said - at least we weren't Mate Xubuntu this time :D [23:34] Xbuntu? :) [23:34] ha ha ha [23:35] on the other hand don't want to moan given the help they do give us when it's needed ;) [23:35] * pleia2 nods [23:36] I'll help when it's final release ... [23:37] I won't [23:37] I mean - I'll help with the release notes :D [23:38] hehe [23:38] I'm going to be wandering around japan that day [23:38] oh nice :) [23:39] I'd love to be in a position to wander the globe working [23:39] bit offtopic ... [23:43] Not if pleia2 takes some stickers with her :) [23:44] ha ha ha [23:45] pleia2: got to say - I like to see (and read ofc) the Xubuntu at ... posts [23:46] I'm glad :) [23:46] they keep me motivated [23:47] yep I bet :) [23:47] should use those as an example on the comm m/l [23:48] good idea [23:48] \o/ [23:48] still got it ... [23:48] hehe [23:49] make sure to add an emojii or two [23:49] :p [23:49] x_x [23:50] :D