[00:33] <puff> What's the feeling on nvidia proprietary drivers, these days?
[00:33] <knome> feeling?
[00:34] <knome> i can't quite... grasp it
[00:34] <puff> knome: Do people recommend using them, or recommend against using them, etc.
[00:34] <puff> What is the general consensus on recommended use or non-use of nvidia proprietary drivers?
[00:34] <knome> if you are happy with the open source drivers and everything is working, then use them
[00:35] <knome> if you need something from the proprietary drivers, or they fix bugs or give you a better performance, then use them
[00:35] <puff> Yeah, I guess it's worth checking out, then.
[00:35] <puff> Backin abit.
[00:48] <puff> Well, that was no fun.
[00:48] <puff> So it looks like the nvidia drivers broke my system.
[00:49] <knome> in that case i would *drumroll* advice against using them
[00:49] <puff> I get the xubuntu blue splash page or login screen for a fraction of a second, then the screen goes dark.
[00:49] <puff> knome: You're a big help :-).
[00:49] <puff> So the question is, now that I can't see my screen in xubuntu, how do I remove the nvidia drivers?
[00:49] <knome> well, it really is that simple... they work for some (for example, me), not for others
[00:49] <Unit193> You get the splash?  Usually means not nvidia drivers.
[00:49] <puff> I'm booting into an old (shudder) centos partition at the moment.
[00:49] <puff> I get a glimpse of a blue screen.
[00:49] <puff> Looks like the splash screen.
[00:50] <Unit193> Append 'text' purge drivers from ttys.
[00:50] <puff> Unit193: Come again?
[00:52] <puff> Hello?
[00:53] <Unit193> hello.
[00:53] <puff> Unit193: Can you clarify what you were trying to say, when you said:  Append 'text' purge drivers from ttys.
[00:54] <Unit193> At the grub prompt, edit the line where it says 'quiet splash' and replace that with 'text', it'll drop you to a tty.  Then, after logging in, remove the nvidia drivers and reboot/start lightdm.
[00:55] <puff> Ah, thanks.
[00:55] <Unit193> !nox
[00:55] <puff> I'll try that.  Bsack in a sec.
[00:55] <Unit193> G'luck.
[00:55] <puff> Thanks.
[01:00] <puff> Okay, I'm in a tty now.
[01:01] <puff> Hm, it looks liek I have bumblebee-invidia.
[01:03] <knome> the bumblebee-stuff can be problematic, and in some cases, that's a harsh underestimation
[01:03] <puff> I don't remember installnig bumblebee, I'm surprised that ubuntu software center installed bumblebee when I selected nvidia proprietary drivers.
[01:04] <knome> if you have a GPU with both intel and nvidia parts, it's bumblebee
[01:04] <puff> As far as I can recall, I never did anything fancy with the drivers prior to today.
[01:04] <puff> Yeah, I have a thinkpad t520 with optimus.
[01:04] <puff> For my sins.
[01:05] <puff> so I guess I just purge bumblebee-nvidia.
[01:05] <knome> captain obvious to the rescue, but simply don't use them then
[01:05] <knome> and hope the open source drivers offer you a reasonably good experience
[01:06] <puff> knome: Yeah, at this point I'm just trying to undo this cleanly.
[01:06] <puff> knome: So if you have advice on how to do that...
[01:06] <puff> Looks like it purged bumblebee-nvidia without complication.s
[01:06] <puff> I guess I reboot and pray, now.
[01:06] <knome> :)
[01:10] <puff> Dammit.
[01:10] <puff> Okay, so I got the blue screen, xubuntu logo/name and spinning semi-circle both when I shutdown and when I rebooted.
[01:10] <puff> but then black screen.
[01:12] <bazhang> !crosspost | puff
[01:19] <puff> Okay, here goes again.  Back in a sec.
[01:22] <puff> Okay, that worked.
[01:22] <puff> I did sudo aptitude remove bbswitch-dkms bumblebee libcuda1-304 nvidia-304 nvidia-346 nvidia-libopencl1-304 nvidia-opencl-icd-304 nvidia-settings nvidia-settings-304 primus
[01:23] <puff> i.e. "sudo dpkg -l | fgrep -i nvidia" and added all of those packages to the  aptitude remove line.
[01:23] <puff> I'm not even sure what the heck I was trying to fix by trying out nvidia.  It's been a long day.
[05:17] <eurodance> how do I use F5 to refresh browser
[05:18] <holstein> eurodance: you press the f5 key, and, that refreshes the browser page
[05:18] <eurodance> nope
[05:18] <eurodance> it brings up display
[05:20] <holstein> eurodance: likely, you are not pressing the keys necessary to actually initiate the function keys.. on my keyboard, i actually press a "fn" key.. a modifier, like shift for caps..
[05:20] <cfhowlett> eurodance, what browser and what are you keyboard settings?
[05:20] <eurodance> firefox
[05:21] <cfhowlett> and your keyboard layout??
[05:21] <eurodance> uh
[05:21] <eurodance> qwert
[05:22] <cfhowlett> eurodance, keyboard model?  language??
[05:22] <eurodance> english
[05:22] <eurodance> compact laptop keyboard
[05:22] <holstein> what laptop, is the question
[05:23] <holstein> anyways, im sure you will find you have a key to press that will switch the function of the keys, such as on my keyboard.. have you tried it? do you have a function key?
[06:19] <xubuntu75w> hello, I am french and I research the way to change my operating system xubuntu 32 bits to a version xubuntu 64 bits, on line
[06:19] <cfhowlett> xubuntu75w, can 't be done.  you must install 64 bit.
[06:21] <xubuntu75w> there is no solution to install an operating system xubuntu 64 bits without an external support
[06:21] <cfhowlett> xubuntu75w, you cannot convert 32 >> 64.  if you want 64, you must install.
[06:22] <xubuntu75w> other question, is it possible to install grub2 on a disk operating
[06:26] <xubuntu75w> thank you for the answers, good morning
[06:27] <xubuntu75w> exit
[06:27] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[12:27] <Exo_> Hello, I have installed xubuntu 15.04 three times onto a Dell Mini 10 netbook and so far have not been able to get the network to work. Troubleshooting: Plugged cable into another Ubuntu desktop pc and confirmed network was coming through fine. I can't update it either.
[12:28] <Exo_> Ran ethtol -S on eth0 (<<newbie sorry) and got 0's on most items.
[12:28] <Exo_> ethtool*
[12:28] <cfhowlett> exo try lubuntu.  it's optimized for legacy hardware.
[12:29] <Exo_> ok, can I get an installer that will overlay on the core what I already installed?
[12:29] <Exo_> However, I am already running xubuntu 15.04 on another identical Mini, and it installed / worked / networked instantly and with no errors.
[12:29] <Exo_> So the difference must be something I can identify.
[12:29] <cfhowlett> sudo apt install -s lubuntu-desktop                will display the incoming packages.  same command without -s will execute
[12:30] <Exo_> that command requires a working network, though,
[12:30] <xubuntu327> help
[12:30] <cfhowlett> doh!  right. sorry
[12:30] <cfhowlett> !help | xubuntu327
[12:32] <Exo_> anyway, I could not find much help on the Web for checking the settings in the Network Connections dialog box, when editing the automatically-generated Wired Connection 1.
[12:32] <xubuntu327> lost a top toolbar, contained frequently used sites...can i get it back....new w/linux
[12:32] <Exo_> Is there a way I can check those settings against a standard / best option?
[12:33] <cfhowlett> Exo_, bring this to #ubuntu ... more eyes
[12:33] <Exo_> Thank you.
[12:34] <flocculant> Exo_: just fyi - eth0 is likely called something else now - check ifconfig
[12:34] <xubuntu327> anybody?
[12:34] <flocculant> Exo_: or not - possibly I'm looking at wily ...
[12:35] <flocculant> xubuntu327: in a browser do you mean?
[12:35] <Exo_> well it says similar to the oother info - rx packts 849 errors
[12:36] <Exo_> no collisions though,
[12:36] <Exo_> so this is probably not a case of another IP on the LAn same aaddress
[12:36] <xubuntu327> yes
[12:36] <flocculant> assuming firefox - https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/restore-bookmarks-from-backup-or-move-them#w_restoring-from-backups
[12:37] <xubuntu327> nope...google
[12:38] <Exo_> x327: chromium?
[12:38] <xubuntu327> yes
[12:40] <flocculant> I'd guess that much like anything - if you've not backed them up - or possibly synced them (not sure, don't use chrom*) then I would suspect they're gone
[12:41] <Exo_> x327 this is a operating system help forum, please visit the Chromium help website or just press F1 for help in Chromium
[12:42] <xubuntu327> thanks guys...great site
[12:42] <flocculant> xubuntu327: well - if you've not backed things up - we're not going to be able to help find them
[12:43] <cfhowlett> sad but true ^^^
[12:44] <flocculant> but I would check the chrome configs - see if there is something there
[12:44] <xubuntu327> i wasn.t being facetious......you have been very helpful
[12:45] <flocculant> xubuntu327: go to .config - have a look - I do have chromium installed - just don't use it
[12:45] <flocculant> I have Bookmarks and Bookmarks.bak
[12:46] <flocculant> if you've similar - rename Bookmarks to Bookmarks.something and rename Bookmarks.bak to Bookmarks
[17:53] <mozart_> Gimp crashes immediately when use text tool.Open a document and select the text tool. When I use the tool gimp crash. I use Xubuntu 14.04.3 and have gimp 2.8.10 installed. I've tried the 2.8.14 version of the Otto PPA, but the same thing happens. I need to solve this and found nothing about it until now. For months I have this problem here. I reinstalled xubuntu and continues. In the terminal it appears that after the gimp crashes:
[17:53] <mozart_> (script-fu: 4167): WARNING ** LibGimpBase-: script-fu: gimp_wire_read (): error
[17:53] <mozart_> Segmentation fault (core image recorded) Please can anyone help?
[17:53] <mozart_> Sorry for my English. It is not my native language. I'm from Brazil. It is also the first time I am using this chat.
[17:53] <completelylost> can someone help me regarding geany?
[17:54] <completelylost> I'm running xubuntu 14.04 and everytime I try to compile and execute a c++ program, I just get an error
[17:54] <drc> !br | mozart_   If you would feel more comportable.
[17:54] <mozart_> thanks!
[17:55] <drc> mozart_: Not trying to push you away... :)
[17:55] <completelylost> someone? :(
[17:56] <drc> completelylost: You'd probably have more luck on #geany
[17:56] <completelylost> thanks! :D
[17:59] <completelylost> no one seems to be in there :(
[18:00] <completelylost> I really need to get this project done, windows screwed me over and deleted almost all my files with their stupid update. I can't recover them by any means so I switched over to linux hoping to not experience the same thing again
[18:01] <drc> completelylost: There are 39 users listed in that channel.  I'd advise asking you question and then having patience...not everyone (and evey channel) spends all day online :)
[18:02] <completelylost> sorry for that, :( been trying to search answers for days and now im pretty desperate on finding an answer
[18:02] <drc> Everyone here is a volunteer and thus has some form of Real life :)
[18:03] <drc> TBH, If you have been searching for a while and can't find an answer, my best advice would be to ask in #geany and just wait.
[18:05] <drc> There are also several C++ channels on freenode that might have an answer.
[19:18]  * m3n3chm0 nasZ
[21:21] <sorinello> Hello. Does xubuntu support OOB extended displays ? It seems I connect my external display, but it works as a mirror. I am unable to change it to extended
[21:23] <mrkramps> sorinello, settings → display
[21:23] <genii> sorinello: If this is on a laptop, check what key combination cycles through monitor possibilities like laptopscreen only/external only/mirrored/both
[21:24] <mrkramps> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/display
[21:24] <sorinello> mrkramps, yes, there I am. But the option to Mirror display is UNchecked and grayed out. even if it is unchecked, I still got mirror mode
[21:24] <genii> Usually FN-F5 on Acer, other laptops might be different.
[21:25] <sorinello> thanks for the help guys, I'll try it
[21:37] <tnk> Hi everyone - is there somene who could help me with bit of a weird problem with key mappings ?
[21:37] <mrkramps> tnk, ask a question
[21:38] <tnk> ok I am missing the delete key on my keyboard
[21:38] <tnk> so I vanted to map rm -r on al+bckspace
[21:38] <tnk> bot is seems to do nothing despite me trying various combinations
[21:39] <tnk> so I guess my question is if this is even possible
[21:40] <knome> the way you describe it sounds a bit werid
[21:40] <knome> *weird
[21:40] <knome> rm -r to alt+backspace?
[21:40] <tnk> yes
[21:40] <knome> in what context?
[21:41] <tnk> well I just want it to work as delete button in the GUI
[21:41] <knome> you'll want to edit the Xmodmap
[21:41] <knome> but forget the "rm -r" part...
[21:41] <tnk> ok
[21:42] <knome> you'll just want to bind that key combo to the virtual delete key
[21:42] <tnk> yes
[21:42] <tnk> I'll have a look into the xmodmap - thanks
[21:43] <tnk> this keyboard is really troublesome
[21:44] <tnk> I have one more weird problem with this keyboard - it has no Function keys and it has multimedia keys instead
[21:45] <tnk> the installation resulted in mapping these all as function keys
[21:45] <tnk> but I can't find out how to assign them the original multimedia function
[21:45] <tnk> would that be also something in xmodmap ?
[21:48] <drc> Probably...I use exaile and use Xmodmap to map the precise exaile function to appropriate key, and then add to Settings->Keyboard.
[21:49] <tnk> ok I'll have a look into that thanks
[21:49] <drc> For example:  keycode 173 = XF86AudioPrev keycode 174 = XF86AudioStop keycode 172 = XF86AudioPlay and keycode 171 = XF86AudioNext are in my .Xmodmap.
[21:50] <tnk> thanks drc that is very helpful
[21:51] <drc> And then in Settings->Keyboard I add the exaile specific stuff  i.e., exaile -n to XF86AudioNext.
[21:52] <drc> There is a way to fnd out what keycode a particular key has, but I've forgotten it...google is your friend.
[21:52] <tnk> I think L've found that one - it seems to be something called xev
[21:53] <drc> All that should start you down the right path.
[21:53] <tnk> the one thing I am bit unclear on is that xfce uses various GUIs for the actions I want to do (e.g. xfce4-power-manager for brightness)
[21:54] <tnk> but they have no cli parameters
[21:54] <drc> Beyond my paygrade... :
[21:54] <tnk> but I guess with the xmodmap I can bind the keys to the virtual media keys
[21:55] <tnk> haha no problem thanks for the help
[21:56] <Pwnna> is 15.10's default background greyish?
[21:56] <Pwnna> instead of the blue that we are used to seeing?
[21:57] <drc> Daily, yes B2 No
[21:57] <drc> Or Daily yes, release no would be a better way of saying it.
[21:58] <Pwnna> also
[21:58] <Pwnna> i found a bug
[21:58] <Pwnna> "bug"
[21:58] <Pwnna> https://imgur.com/TyzTqjO
[21:59] <Pwnna> install "Xubuntu 15.04!"
[21:59] <Pwnna> should change that :)
[21:59] <knome> Pwnna, which daily are you using?
[21:59] <Pwnna> beta2
[21:59] <Pwnna> or final beta
[21:59] <Pwnna> is it fixed in daily?
[22:01] <Pwnna> knome, ^
[22:01] <drc> Pwnna: You are using 15.10b2 AND getting a "greyish default background"?
[22:01] <Pwnna> is b2 the final beta?
[22:01] <Pwnna> oh wtf
[22:01] <drc> yes )hopefully :)
[22:01] <Pwnna> i downloaded b1
[22:01] <Pwnna> >__>
[22:02] <Pwnna> can i just apt-get upgrade my way to b2?
[22:02] <flocculant> well
[22:02] <Pwnna> i mean yes you can but are there any issues with the update process or something
[22:03] <flocculant> personally the alphas/betas are all just snapshots and quite frankly - you should just daily
[22:03] <Pwnna> i suppose
[22:03] <knome> well that tells a lot...
[22:03] <Pwnna> when you apt-get upgrade it just goes to daily, right?
[22:03] <Pwnna> sorry guys
[22:03] <flocculant> yea - though might need dist-upgrade
[22:08] <flocculant> Pwnna: apt-get upgrade ANY milestone will make it a daily