[00:04] <czajkowski> my new boss teaches kids how to program and minecraft stuff
[00:04] <czajkowski> he and his son have written a book
[00:04] <daftykins> o0
[00:04] <czajkowski> I feel like I need to go back and learn how to write code :)
[00:04] <czajkowski> he teaches kids from 7:30 -8:15am each morning to kids
[00:04] <czajkowski> daftykins: new boss is Arun Gupta
[00:04] <daftykins> that seems far less time than needed to get anything even started
[00:04] <daftykins> i don't know who that is
[00:05] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/arungupta
[00:07] <popey> https://twitter.com/popey/status/647561191854899200
[00:07] <popey> \o/ cats
[00:08] <popey> diddledan: I used to teach kids to code, you can get them up and running pretty quick
[00:08] <popey> After School code clu
[00:08] <popey> *club
[00:08] <popey> Time runs out quick though, the fast ones end up running out of stuff to do early on while the slower ones need help
[00:08] <popey> Tis good getting the fast ones to help the slow ones
[00:10] <daftykins> i'd think the first 30 mins is teething problems :>
[00:10] <daftykins> i've taught, hardware lessons too - those were painful
[00:10] <daftykins> 12-18 at once :(
[01:01] <zmoylan-pi> well depends on what size stick you use... >:-)
[01:08] <daftykins> :D
[01:54] <zmoylan-pi> you'd never have a cattle prod last the day for a class size of 12-18 :-P
[01:54] <daftykins> too true
[01:54] <daftykins> unless it were powered off the mains, one benefit of a fixed room to teach in
[02:11] <zmoylan-pi> yeah but stretching a power lead the length of a class. health and safety would be all over that :-)
[02:11] <daftykins> :D
[02:11]  * daftykins installs it at the door
[02:11] <daftykins> *tzzzt* welcome x n
[02:12] <daftykins> we never got shauno back after the fruity tech ribbing :(
[02:12] <zmoylan-pi> the rest of the school watching the flickering lights...
[02:13] <zmoylan-pi> he must have been stuck with a sticky problem, we've all had days like that, hope he comes back
[02:13] <diddledan> I'm not going to say anything about ribbed tech
[02:13] <daftykins> diddledan may know of his whereabouts
[02:13] <zmoylan-pi> fishing for condoms in canal again? :-)
[02:13] <daftykins> lol
[02:14] <daftykins> such classy talk we have, here in late night club
[02:14]  * daftykins fetches another Guinness
[02:14] <diddledan> tis 'cos popey doesn't chastise me
[02:15] <diddledan> I've got a nice new simple logo
[02:15] <diddledan> \o/
[02:15] <zmoylan-pi> it's a coffee ring on a printout? :-)
[02:16] <daftykins> bit of tractor feed era paper
[02:16] <diddledan> lol
[02:16] <diddledan> https://www.behance.net/wip/1385905/2393229
[02:17] <diddledan> much less embiggened and complex when compared to my old one: https://www.behance.net/wip/359537/671533
[02:17] <diddledan> I might use the old one as a mast-head tho
[02:51] <daftykins> i think my cat is high
[02:52] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/t6ayu4ssdjnum9z/IMG_20150926_035008.jpg?dl=0
[05:30] <mapppppp> Hi alk
[08:51] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:29] <m6lpi> Morning
[09:38] <popey> Morning
[09:38] <zmoylan-pi> i spi with my little pi another pi? :-)
[14:12] <dogmatic69_> anyone know how I can add wifi to a switch
[14:13] <dogmatic69_> my router + wifi is in the lounge, pc in garage via eth. phone is on 3G because no wifi
[14:13] <dogmatic69_> I have a range extender but it tries to connect to the existing wifi which is out of range, need something that can just plug into the switch
[14:24] <popey> dogmatic69_: i fixed this by having a second access point at the other end of the house, connnected to the first via devolo ethernet over power adapters
[14:24] <popey> works perfectly
[14:24] <popey> whole house is covered by two APs, one in my office which is near me, so yay, good speed, and one in the centre of the house for everyone else
[14:24] <dogmatic69_> well I have gigabit eth here, just no wifi
[14:25] <dogmatic69_> mainly looking for AP that is eth->wifi and not just a wifi repeater
[14:26] <popey> yeah, i have gbe in my office
[14:26] <popey> but not all devices have ethernet ports
[14:26]  * popey looks at 10 devices on his desk which don't
[14:26] <dogmatic69_> the one I bought has eth, but its out :/
[14:27] <dogmatic69_> the AP that is ^
[14:27] <diddledan> dogmatic69_, are you sure you can't switch the mode on your repeater to be a bridge?
[14:27] <diddledan> bridge/ap
[14:28] <dogmatic69_> I am looking, its a WN3000RP
[14:28] <popey> flash something else on it?
[14:29] <dogmatic69_> looking at that also
[14:29] <popey> Both my WNDR3700's have been flashed, one with ddwrt and the other with openwrt
[14:29] <diddledan> dang, the faq on netgear.com has the bad news as the first item: http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/19070/~/wn3000rp-faqs
[14:29] <popey> the openwrt one is a bridge
[14:29] <diddledan> specifically the stock firmware won't do it
[14:29] <dogmatic69_> aw, "No. Your extender is designed to work as an AP-client bridge, not an access point." on the site...
[14:31] <dogmatic69_> diddledan: ta, spotted that just at the same time... checking for new firmware now
[17:03] <Tammyton> Hey, is anyone around?
[17:05] <penguin42> imagine we were
[17:05] <Tammyton> my imagination isn't that great
[17:06] <Tammyton> jk.  I'm just about to install ubuntu. Are there any good getting started guides available? I've never used linux before.
[17:06] <penguin42> hmm, I've not done that for a long long time, not sure what the current best things are
[17:07] <Tammyton> oh okay
[17:07] <Tammyton> someone's just directed me to the help page. thanks anyway
[17:08] <penguin42> Tammyton: One thing, try and mess with stuff - there's lots of stuff what ever you're interested
[17:09] <Tammyton> Will do :) I'll just be using a VM so I don't have to worry about breaking stuff
[17:09] <penguin42> oh you probably wont
[17:11] <Tammyton> Do you think 20GB will be enough to install the OS, and have a mess around with it?
[17:11] <penguin42> oh yes
[17:12] <Tammyton> oh great, thanks
[17:36] <penguin42> WH Smiths seems to be getting desperate on ice cream sales; 75% off in Manc, last magnum of the year for 47p
[18:00] <Tammyton> wow lol
[18:00] <Tammyton> Probably trying to sell them all before the winter
[18:03] <penguin42> nod
[18:07] <DJones> Or close to sell by date
[18:35] <penguin42> DJones: This was the whole unit with a mix of different icecreams, so I suspect they want to move it out of the way
[19:32]  * brobostigon just had to explain to his gf, where the name dalek comes from, and that it is just a simple anagram.
[19:36]  * penguin42 admits he doesn't know
[19:37] <brobostigon> davros who created the daleksbeing a kaled?
[19:37] <brobostigon> davros who created the daleks being a kaled?
[19:39] <penguin42> see I haven't really watched Dr. Who since the Tom Baker days
[19:42] <brobostigon> i believe the fact was known way back when william hartnell was the doctor.
[19:52] <penguin42> well it was more of an indication of how long I'd been not paying attention to it
[19:53] <brobostigon> i see.
[21:43] <Tammyton> reaaaally late reply, but I haven't really watched it since Matt smith's first season
[22:21] <ali1234> my mum bought a pack of three usb flash drives
[22:21] <daftykins> mmhmm?
[22:21] <ali1234> they are all identical of course
[22:22] <ali1234> but in windows, one of them shows as a removable drive, the other two show as local fixed drives
[22:22] <ali1234> why?
[22:22] <daftykins> well, there is that option for having drives optimised for quick removal or not, i wonder if that's related
[22:23] <ali1234> i checked that, setting is identical on all three
[22:23] <penguin42> hmm weird
[22:24] <ali1234> the software she uses, brother PE design, uses flash drives to transfer patterns to her sewing machine
[22:25] <daftykins> oh right
[22:25] <daftykins> so one's working and two aren't?
[22:25] <ali1234> right
[22:25] <ali1234> because the software has a menu item "send to flash drive"
[22:25] <penguin42> ali1234: If you plug it into a linux system and look at /sys/class/block/sd???/removable what does it say?
[22:25] <daftykins> tried a 'clean' with diskpart?
[22:25] <ali1234> so it doesn't recognize that two of them are flash drives because of this
[22:25] <daftykins> though i don't really see my idea having any effect
[22:25] <ali1234> you can still "save as" and select the drive manually and it does the same thing
[22:27] <ali1234> penguin42: it matches the observed behaviour in windows
[22:28] <daftykins> oh so it's lower level for sure
[22:28] <daftykins> obviously cheap tat :)
[22:28] <penguin42> ali1234: Weird
[22:28] <ali1234> they're sandisk
[22:28] <penguin42> oh
[22:28] <penguin42> hmm
[22:28] <daftykins> i think sandisk are the #1 target of fakes
[22:28] <ali1234> also weirdly the one that is removable appears to have an activity LED, the other two don't
[22:29] <ali1234> bought from PC world
[22:29] <penguin42> ali1234: 2 possibilities, 1) They're not really sandisk  2) Sandisk used to have this weird thing where some drives would present both a flashdrive and a cd with some installation software to do something weird
[22:29] <penguin42> ali1234: What does /proc/scsi/scsi show for the 2 different types of drives?
[22:30] <ali1234> identical except the removable has a different revision number
[22:31] <penguin42> were these in a 3 pack?
[22:31] <ali1234> yes
[22:31] <ali1234> cruzer facet 8GB
[22:31] <penguin42> double weird
[22:33] <daftykins> ah yeah perhaps penguin42 speaks of the 'U3' drives
[22:33] <penguin42> possibly; my dad had some that were a pain
[22:34] <penguin42> ali1234: Perhaps you should try usb_modeswitch on them - although that shouldn't happen for a thumb drive
[22:34] <ali1234> i doubt that would do anything really
[22:34] <penguin42> agrres, although I'm out of ideas
[22:34] <ali1234> maybe if i install the sandisk software
[22:35] <ali1234> i reckon that they've manufactured a load of flash drives in different colours
[22:35] <daftykins> i'd return 'em
[22:35] <ali1234> then taken the ones that didn't sell, and repackaged them with newer models in different colours as a three pack
[22:36] <ali1234> the odd one out has a lower revision number
[22:37] <ali1234> these were bought ages ago so we can't return them
[22:37] <ali1234> they seem to work fine
[22:38] <daftykins> ah
[22:40] <daftykins> i've decided cheap flash drives are a false economy :) despite seeing a £24.99 128GB USB 3.0 with 90MB/sec read recently
[22:40] <daftykins> i ignored it :>
[22:41] <penguin42> well the problem though is you say 'cheap' but generally would thing a sandisk drive would work
[22:42] <daftykins> i just mean in general there
[22:42] <daftykins> yeah their rep used to be good
[22:42] <penguin42> but I mean it's more potluck than being able to make a judgement on cost or brand
[22:43] <daftykins> i'm not so sure it's that wildly open
[22:44] <ali1234> they do work tho