[00:15] <hallyn> hm, so what is the briefest recommended way to check whether a service is running from a script (preinst actually)?  I guess 'service <service> status | grep -q running'?
[00:15] <hallyn> (in systemd you can just check return value of service $service status, but not in upstart)
[00:19] <TJ-> hallyn: isn't there an initctl option with upstart? I seem to recall something
[00:23] <hallyn> TJ-: yeah but not with systemd
[00:23] <hallyn> i'm looking for one cmd to work anywhere.
[00:23] <hallyn> heck i don't know what 'service libvirt-bin status' will do on sysvinit offhand
[00:26] <TJ-> I can't help with libvirt-bin, but on 12.04 I see this:
[00:26] <hallyn> my concern with service x status | grep running is that 'running' might show up inthe fail log for x
[00:26] <TJ-> service tomcat7 status
[00:26] <TJ->  * Tomcat servlet engine is running with pid 5618y
[00:27] <hallyn> right, but if it's not running, then "service tomcat7 status && echo running" will show "running" right?  whic his different from with systemd
[00:28] <TJ-> Yeah; service/initctl return 0
[00:28] <hallyn> so i might just have to use a helper which checks whether upstart is init.  but i'd like to avoid that
[00:28] <TJ-> I'm sure I found a tool that changes exit value
[00:35] <TJ-> probably it was for sysvinit
[00:43] <hallyn> actually now i'm second-guessing what i'm doing it all.  this is something to think about inthe morning, not sat night.  thanks for rapping :)
[03:11] <hallyn> hm, when is hte next freeze?
[03:12] <hallyn> phew, oct 8 looks like
[16:16] <jtaylor> the installer now downloads prop. graphics drivers before starting to work?
[16:17] <jtaylor> besides that I have not been asked about that, it also downloads for 10 minutes without any feedback
[16:17] <jtaylor> giving the impression that its stuck
[17:14] <NikTh> apw: ping
[17:16] <node1_>  hi , can anybody guide me how is archlinux  created ? I have read linux from scratch , and want to see the same process for Ubuntu ... thanks
[17:25] <cjwatson> You'd have to ask an Arch channel how Arch Linux is created.
[18:18] <eliasps> Hey, can anyone help me in uploading a package? I am at the step where I have run debdiff. Do i need to change anything in the files?
[18:40] <node1_> please let me know how is ubuntu linux created .... from scratch
[18:54] <Inoki> Hey everyone, I'm dabbling a bit in code for a VPN reconnect script. This is my first attempt and I would love if someone could have a look and tell me if I got it right http://pastebin.com/MNniCb6u
[19:46] <cjwatson> node1_: Perhaps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment is the best place to start for open-ended questions like that
[20:39] <mapreri> so, I'm about to upload a package (scribus) to debian sid.  is there a way to "be sure" nobody is going to sync it?  it's somewhat experimental (but not so experimental to deserve a exp upload), and even if it might very well fix something I'd prefer a stable thing like wily not to ship it.
[20:40] <cjwatson> mapreri: I can put it on the sync-blacklist
[20:41] <cjwatson> mapreri: is it safe to say it can be unblacklisted for the X cycle?
[20:43] <mapreri> cjwatson: yeah, sure
[20:44] <TJ-> Any ubiquity experts around can look at bug 1500110 ?
[20:45] <cjwatson> mapreri: done
[20:46] <mapreri> cjwatson: ♥ this week you're saving my days :)  guess just for this you gained a beer at the next DC :)
[20:46] <mapreri> do i need to poke somebody to get it removed once wily's out?
[20:55] <cjwatson> mapreri: heh.  it won't be removed automatically - somebody may notice, or there's an outside chance I'll remember, otherwise poke somebody
[20:55] <cjwatson> mapreri: or you could set up an at job to mail me :)
[20:56] <mapreri> or I could try to break lp, till I get access to the ubuntu archive and sync it myself :>
[20:57] <mapreri> cjwatson: ok, I'm pretty sure I'll notice there is something wrong and remember this :)  which team is managing that list?
[21:00] <cjwatson> mapreri: ~ubuntu-archive
[21:00] <mapreri> ack
[21:05] <kees> cjwatson: say, do you have any idea how these got linked? (and how to unlink them?) https://launchpad.net/freediag/+packages (freediag != scantool)
[21:05] <kees> it does weird things like shows freediag's project description on the ubuntu scantool package page, etc.
[21:05] <mapreri> kees: there is '-' sign on the right?
[21:06] <mapreri> kees: also, you can go https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/scantool and hit the same sign
[21:06] <kees> mapreri: sure, but how did it _happen_? (will it happen again by the same means after I click the '-', etc?)
[21:06] <mapreri> the thing is, everybody (i think) can link them
[21:06] <kees> right
[21:06] <kees> I assume it's related to freediag's binary being named "scantool"
[21:07] <mapreri> that doesn't help make things clear ;)
[21:07] <cjwatson> yeah, a lot of people can link them
[21:07] <cjwatson> let me unlink
[21:07] <kees> well, freediag isn't in ubuntu, which is funny
[21:07] <cjwatson> kees: is the Debian diagnostics package also unrelated?
[21:07] <mapreri> cjwatson: "a lot" => ?
[21:07] <cjwatson> er let me unlink these first and then check
[21:08] <mapreri> sure
[21:08] <cjwatson> but generally it's in the category of things that LP makes fairly open to encourage people to garden it (decision from waaaay before my time)
[21:08] <kees> cjwatson: I think so, but I'll check
[21:08] <kees> I only noticed because the freediag author contacted me, confused about ubuntu and scantool
[21:09] <cjwatson> ha, look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scantool now
[21:09] <cjwatson> the suggestion is probably there because of scantool in the description, I'm guessing
[21:09] <mapreri> [09:06:33 PM] <kees> I assume it's related to freediag's binary being named "scantool"
[21:09] <cjwatson> yes I don't agree with that being likely
[21:10] <cjwatson> description is more likely to be a thing LP has noticed
[21:10] <cjwatson> again, will check in a moment
[21:10] <cjwatson> (OK, the description is because the binary is named scantool; what I mean is that LP is not going to have been hunting about in branches or tarballs or whatever for names to suggest)
[21:10] <kees> looks like "diagnostics" is a third scanning tool unrelated
[21:11] <cjwatson> right, +edit-packaging is literally usable by anyone who's logged in
[21:12] <mapreri> that's open!
[21:12] <kees> cjwatson: thanks for poking at it! :)
[21:14] <cjwatson> and basically what the suggestion widget does is the equivalent of https://launchpad.net/projects/+index?text=scantool
[21:15] <cjwatson> so I think the suggestion makes sense but it's unfortunate there's no way to blacklist
[21:31] <NikTh> Hello, any kernel maintainer here? I want to achieve something but I'm following the wrong direction, pretty sure about that. :)
[22:41] <eliasps> Guys, how can I sent a package to a ppa that I dont have upload rights for sponsorship/upload?
[22:42] <ogra_> you ask the owner
[22:52] <eliasps> ogra_ thank you.