[00:15] hm, so what is the briefest recommended way to check whether a service is running from a script (preinst actually)? I guess 'service status | grep -q running'? [00:15] (in systemd you can just check return value of service $service status, but not in upstart) [00:19] hallyn: isn't there an initctl option with upstart? I seem to recall something [00:23] TJ-: yeah but not with systemd [00:23] i'm looking for one cmd to work anywhere. [00:23] heck i don't know what 'service libvirt-bin status' will do on sysvinit offhand [00:26] I can't help with libvirt-bin, but on 12.04 I see this: [00:26] my concern with service x status | grep running is that 'running' might show up inthe fail log for x [00:26] service tomcat7 status [00:26] * Tomcat servlet engine is running with pid 5618y [00:27] right, but if it's not running, then "service tomcat7 status && echo running" will show "running" right? whic his different from with systemd [00:28] Yeah; service/initctl return 0 [00:28] so i might just have to use a helper which checks whether upstart is init. but i'd like to avoid that [00:28] I'm sure I found a tool that changes exit value [00:35] probably it was for sysvinit [00:43] actually now i'm second-guessing what i'm doing it all. this is something to think about inthe morning, not sat night. thanks for rapping :) [03:11] hm, when is hte next freeze? [03:12] phew, oct 8 looks like === athairus is now known as athairuzzz [16:16] the installer now downloads prop. graphics drivers before starting to work? [16:17] besides that I have not been asked about that, it also downloads for 10 minutes without any feedback [16:17] giving the impression that its stuck === fginther` is now known as fginther [17:14] apw: ping [17:16] hi , can anybody guide me how is archlinux created ? I have read linux from scratch , and want to see the same process for Ubuntu ... thanks [17:25] You'd have to ask an Arch channel how Arch Linux is created. [18:18] Hey, can anyone help me in uploading a package? I am at the step where I have run debdiff. Do i need to change anything in the files? [18:40] please let me know how is ubuntu linux created .... from scratch [18:54] Hey everyone, I'm dabbling a bit in code for a VPN reconnect script. This is my first attempt and I would love if someone could have a look and tell me if I got it right http://pastebin.com/MNniCb6u [19:46] node1_: Perhaps https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment is the best place to start for open-ended questions like that === athairuzzz is now known as athairus [20:39] so, I'm about to upload a package (scribus) to debian sid. is there a way to "be sure" nobody is going to sync it? it's somewhat experimental (but not so experimental to deserve a exp upload), and even if it might very well fix something I'd prefer a stable thing like wily not to ship it. [20:40] mapreri: I can put it on the sync-blacklist [20:41] mapreri: is it safe to say it can be unblacklisted for the X cycle? [20:43] cjwatson: yeah, sure [20:44] Any ubiquity experts around can look at bug 1500110 ? [20:44] bug 1500110 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "mount point /tmp/tmp.${RANDOM}/var does not exist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500110 [20:45] mapreri: done [20:46] cjwatson: ♥ this week you're saving my days :) guess just for this you gained a beer at the next DC :) [20:46] do i need to poke somebody to get it removed once wily's out? [20:55] mapreri: heh. it won't be removed automatically - somebody may notice, or there's an outside chance I'll remember, otherwise poke somebody [20:55] mapreri: or you could set up an at job to mail me :) [20:56] or I could try to break lp, till I get access to the ubuntu archive and sync it myself :> [20:57] cjwatson: ok, I'm pretty sure I'll notice there is something wrong and remember this :) which team is managing that list? [21:00] mapreri: ~ubuntu-archive [21:00] ack [21:05] cjwatson: say, do you have any idea how these got linked? (and how to unlink them?) https://launchpad.net/freediag/+packages (freediag != scantool) [21:05] it does weird things like shows freediag's project description on the ubuntu scantool package page, etc. [21:05] kees: there is '-' sign on the right? [21:06] kees: also, you can go https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/scantool and hit the same sign [21:06] mapreri: sure, but how did it _happen_? (will it happen again by the same means after I click the '-', etc?) [21:06] the thing is, everybody (i think) can link them [21:06] right [21:06] I assume it's related to freediag's binary being named "scantool" [21:07] that doesn't help make things clear ;) [21:07] yeah, a lot of people can link them [21:07] let me unlink [21:07] well, freediag isn't in ubuntu, which is funny [21:07] kees: is the Debian diagnostics package also unrelated? [21:07] cjwatson: "a lot" => ? [21:07] er let me unlink these first and then check [21:08] sure [21:08] but generally it's in the category of things that LP makes fairly open to encourage people to garden it (decision from waaaay before my time) [21:08] cjwatson: I think so, but I'll check [21:08] I only noticed because the freediag author contacted me, confused about ubuntu and scantool [21:09] ha, look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scantool now [21:09] the suggestion is probably there because of scantool in the description, I'm guessing [21:09] [09:06:33 PM] I assume it's related to freediag's binary being named "scantool" [21:09] yes I don't agree with that being likely [21:10] description is more likely to be a thing LP has noticed [21:10] again, will check in a moment [21:10] (OK, the description is because the binary is named scantool; what I mean is that LP is not going to have been hunting about in branches or tarballs or whatever for names to suggest) [21:10] looks like "diagnostics" is a third scanning tool unrelated [21:11] right, +edit-packaging is literally usable by anyone who's logged in [21:12] that's open! [21:12] cjwatson: thanks for poking at it! :) [21:14] and basically what the suggestion widget does is the equivalent of https://launchpad.net/projects/+index?text=scantool [21:15] so I think the suggestion makes sense but it's unfortunate there's no way to blacklist [21:31] Hello, any kernel maintainer here? I want to achieve something but I'm following the wrong direction, pretty sure about that. :) [22:41] Guys, how can I sent a package to a ppa that I dont have upload rights for sponsorship/upload? [22:42] you ask the owner [22:52] ogra_ thank you.