[07:01] <hypermist> Man the phones ubuntu sell have some pretty hefty price
[07:01] <hypermist> xD
[08:55] <hypermist> I so wanna try ubuntu-touch but i can't ;(
[09:02] <hypermist> is there an emu to run android apps on ubuntu-touch ?
[09:15] <dhbiker> negative.
[09:26] <hypermist> Damn.
[09:26] <hypermist> is there any possible way to run apps from android on it dhbiker ?
[10:23] <NwS> Heya guys a quick question. Any ideas if a new Ubuntu phone will come before 2016?
[11:02] <untuser> hello i really would like to know if ubuntu 15.04(nexus7 2013) is still available, and if the "touch-variante" could do exactly the same as ubuntu on a regular pc
[11:03] <maggots> what the esiest way to make the phone r/w?
[11:03] <untuser> iam basically looking for a possibility to use all the (foss) apps i'am used to use on a regular ubuntu-install just on a smaller size nexus 7(2013 wifi)
[11:04] <untuser> or would you recall that there would be a better option in achieving my goal (other tablet?)
[11:04] <maggots> untuser you can do it but you need to make the phone r/w
[11:05] <untuser> maggots: which means?
[11:06] <maggots> the phone is setup in read mode only so you have to make the phone writeable also so you can use apt-get and install things like git
[11:07] <maggots> http://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone
[11:07] <untuser> the thing that came into my attention is, that it seems like regular ubuntu isn't developed (therefore only 13.04) and i really don't know what to make up off "ubuntu touch" meaning is it just an optimized UI with full linux-programmsupport (firefox/chrome/jdownloader etc...) or more like a stripped down ubuntu which lacks functionality compared to regular ubuntu :)
[11:08] <maggots> i coulden't get chroot to work following the instructions above
[11:09] <untuser> so it isn't by any means sure that it will work, and most likely only by trial&error if at all?
[11:11] <maggots> it also might reck your system down the line, but no you cant install google chrome and all those app mainly only command line tools and .debs that are built for arm!
[11:12] <maggots> anyone else in here help me with chroot /bin/bash/ permission denied error
[11:12] <untuser> well there goes my interesst in a nexus7 :D
[11:13] <maggots> they are still developing the phone more cool stuff will some along shortly.
[11:14] <maggots> need help creating chroot inside home directory
[11:14] <untuser> are there any tablets that would be capable to run full-blown ubuntu or one of it's lighter variants?
[11:15] <untuser> a x86-tab maybe
[11:16] <maggots> anything with an atom processor should although drivers could be an issue
[11:18] <untuser> there was an "hp 8inch"-tablet i recall but it seemed like it had major drivers-issues
[11:22] <untuser> it seems like there is an project for just what i need ubuntu-desktop for the nexus9
[11:23] <jgdx> mandel, what's the problem?
[11:23] <jgdx> maggots, ^
[11:24] <maggots> i get a /bin/bash error with chroom into home directory it says permission denied
[11:24] <maggots> chroot*
[11:25] <maggots> i was following this http://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone
[11:25] <jgdx> maggots, you can't chroot without elevated privileges
[11:26] <maggots> but i was root i typed sudo befor the command, can you give me easy to follow instructions please
[11:27] <jgdx> maggots, you have a vivid-chroot in your $HOME directory, with the tar extracted into it?
[11:28] <maggots> yes exactly
[11:28] <jgdx> maggots, and you do $ sudo chroot vivid-chroot # or something similar?
[11:28] <maggots> yes
[11:29] <jgdx> maggots, could you copy that terminal output and paste it here: http://pastebin.ubuntu-com
[11:29] <jgdx> ubuntu.com
[11:30] <Isotop7> Hello, i switched from ubuntu to flyme just to give it a try and now i want to go back but there is an error when running ubuntu-device-flash while device is trying to update in the recovery (i used akextu's) image. I started system-image-upgrade manually with the created ubuntu_commands file and there is the following output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12589849/
[11:30] <Isotop7> Any ideas?
[11:30] <Isotop7> device is arale
[11:31] <Isotop7> isnt there a way to get stock arale as it was when i got it?
[11:31] <jgdx> Isotop7, I'd go to askubuntu or re-ask on Monday around European afternoon.
[11:32] <Isotop7> okay, thanks :)
[11:33] <hypermist> I wanted to try ubuntu-touch but none of my apps taht are on android will work for ubuntu
[11:33] <hypermist> so xD
[11:33] <galeido> Hi, I have small issue with my BQ E5 HD. I am trying to reflash it back to Ubuntu Touch. But end up situation that I can't boot Ubuntu or back to Android at all. Ubuntu flash device tool says "Cache formatting not successful, flashing may fail, check your partition on device" and "Can't boot recovery image". Is there way to force flash it?
[11:35] <ogra_> galeido, Isotop7, ubuntu uses a different partitioning to android ... if you flahsed android on your device you need to use some mtk flash tool with the right partition table to actually make ubunu installable again
[11:35] <maggots> ok i uploaded the pastebin
[11:35] <maggots> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12589870/
[11:36] <ogra_> untuser, the dekstop install was never an actual project, it was an experimental image in preparation for ubuntu-touch and was dropped in 2013
[11:36] <galeido> ogra_: Ok
[11:37] <jgdx> maggots, don't know if this is significant, but you're meant to have the folder “vivid-chroot” inside the “phablet” folder.
[11:37] <ogra_> i thinnk for the bq that tool is available somewhere on the bq site for download
[11:37] <ogra_> no idea for the arale though
[11:37] <jgdx> maggots, so $ sudo mv /home/vivid-chroot /home/phablet/
[11:41] <untuser> ogra_: yea i know, yet iam still looking for a possibility to get full-blown ubuntu (or $linuxdistribution that is) on a pocketable yet full-blown tablet :)
[11:41] <jgdx> maggots, also, permissions might be screwed up. Check what they are. /bin/bash needs +x etc
[11:41] <maggots> no it can't overwrite it i'll just delete the stuff and start agin what folder exactly does /vivid-chroot need to be in whats the path?
[11:41] <ogra_> hypermist, why do you actually need these specific apps ? how about instead trying to focus on functionality istead of app names ... i.e. like i tried to point out yesterday already, there is a native bitcoin java client that is based on the official one that most likely offers you all the functions you need
[11:42] <hypermist> Does it support about 20 different coins
[11:42] <hypermist> xD
[11:42] <hypermist> No thats why. xD
[11:42] <jgdx> maggots, /home/phablet/my-favorite-chroots/vivid-chroot
[11:42] <hypermist> and have my tech around me right now is bluetooth app powered
[11:42] <hypermist> and its only built for ios and android
[11:42] <ogra_> well, then ubuntu is probably not for you yet until these apps exist
[11:43] <jgdx> maggots, why don't you make the system writable (warning: this may screw your phone), create the chroot with tools, and then re-flash your phone to make it readonly?
[11:43] <ogra_> if you are really hard depending on all their functions
[11:43] <hypermist> I just want to have the feel on ubuntu. I only use my phone for skype. irc and not texting but not much else
[11:43] <maggots> ok thanks for your help jgxd i'll give it a try again
[11:44] <hypermist> I guess if i can backup my whole android before hand ogra_ i'd try ubuntu-touch
[11:44] <ogra_> sure, if you have a compatible device you can indeed do that ...
[11:44] <hypermist> I have a nexus 4
[11:45] <ogra_> just note that ubuntu on phones is still young, so you will have to make compromises
[11:45] <ogra_> yeah, that will work just fine
[11:45] <untuser> hypermist: yea but ubuntu (touch/phones) is probably going to take ages if at all to reach the popularity and therefore app-developer support that android enjoys
[11:45] <untuser> i personally dont believe that that will (sadly) ever happen :(
[11:46] <hypermist> I feel scarse as about doing this
[11:46] <hypermist> xD
[11:47] <ogra_> untuser, it took android something like 4 years too to win over devs to port their IOS apps
[11:47] <hypermist> Its just about trust and coding habits mostly right ogra_ ?
[11:47] <ogra_> well, also about userbase indeed
[11:48] <ogra_> if you have a billion devs are morelikely to port than if you have 10 millions :)
[11:48] <hypermist> haha
[11:48]  * hypermist doesnt wanna fail and brick
[11:48] <hypermist> xD
[11:48] <untuser> ogra_: yea the problem is, is there really any need for a third player? i guess for some yes but "some" ain't really enough to make something as popular as android :)
[11:48] <ogra_> you cant really brick a nexus :)
[11:49] <hypermist> I know, but there is a chance im a failure and brick the phone and then have no phone
[11:49] <hypermist> Q>Q
[11:49] <jgdx> untuser, there something to be said for being allowed to write one app for the phone, tablet, laptop and desktop.
[11:49] <hypermist> So afaik ubuntu apps are html ?
[11:49] <ogra_> untuser, well for canonical it doesnt really matter in the end (for the users it will) ... thanks to the convergence story the phone wont be dropped
[11:50] <ogra_> i mean . indeed it matters for canonical to have many phone users ... but even if not,  the phone image is the core of the convergence idea
[11:50] <ogra_> a converged desktop install will essentially use the same tecnology
[11:50] <hypermist> Can i remote desktop my windows pc with Ubuntu-touch xD?
[11:51] <Isotop7> ogra_: any futher infos on where to find it? only for windows=
[11:51] <untuser> the only chance there is, is a system that manages to complettly emulate the android apps as good as natively, than there would definetelly be the possibility that it could be "a thing"
[11:51] <ogra_> Isotop7, sorry, no idea
[11:51] <Isotop7> ogra_ : okay thanks :)
[11:51] <ogra_> untuser, god forbid ! ... surely not
[11:51] <ogra_> untuser, that would be called android then :)
[11:52] <hypermist> So question how does one backup his android os and all before he starts ubuntu-touch
[11:52] <untuser> but building a app-community as large as that of the playstore&"apple"-store i sadly think thats not  every gonna happen :)
[11:52] <ogra_> untuser, if you would want to run an android app today you could indeed bundle your execution env together with the apk in a click package for ubuntu ... but it would not be able to accress HW or system data the same way it can on android ... the UI concept wouldnt work etc etc
[11:53] <ogra_> it would be an awful experience
[11:53] <hypermist> I guess i could be smart and install an android emu on my computer xD
[11:53] <hypermist> if i still need to use android apps
[11:53] <hypermist> Just wont be able to use bluetooth ones
[11:54] <untuser> ogra_: and those major things are what stopped me in believing there would ever be something comparable to android in its community-size yet fully free in the sense of FOSS
[11:54] <hypermist> ogra_, can you point me in the right direction for. backing up my android before hand
[11:54] <hypermist> xD
[11:55] <ogra_> hypermist, nops, but i bet google can help you there
[11:55] <hypermist> xD
[11:55] <untuser> i mean look at maemo/meego/joola/sailfish all absolutelly nice projects that are ether dead or in a catatonic state (sailfish anyone :P?)
[11:55]  * ogra_ hasnt actually touched android in nearly two years 
[11:55] <hypermist> Or the wiki might help me ;)
[11:55] <ogra_> untuser, well, ubuntu is close to enter the chinese market, just give it more time ;)
[11:56] <untuser> ogra_: "the chinese will fix it" :D
[11:56] <ogra_> well, they will surely bring a different and larger userbase
[11:56] <hypermist> Chinese always bring stuff to a larger base
[11:56] <hypermist> xD
[11:57] <hypermist> Even with their knockoff phones
[11:57] <hypermist> ^_^
[11:57] <untuser> hey maybe, but is their usebase and their needs therefore so much different than "ours" meaning would they really want something that the western-userbase isn't interested in (android&ios alternative)
[11:58] <ogra_> if the biggest telco in the country sells it ? sure, why not
[11:58] <untuser> ogra_: you're talking about meizu right? :P
[11:58] <ogra_> meizu is a manufacturer
[11:58] <ogra_> i'm talking about china mobile
[11:59] <ogra_> (teh cooperation has been announced several times ... )
[12:00] <untuser> ogra_: iam not so much up to date in that regard and  just check on it every 1-2 years as the progress in that matter hasn't been that fast-paced lately :P
[12:00] <ogra_> there is a difference between having the phone on sale via some online store of having it offered by a carrier
[12:02] <untuser> ogra_: yet there has to be a reason to use it in favor or some well established "android-tive", and that difference is what is missing atm
[12:02] <untuser> of*
[12:03] <ogra_> not sure what you mean by 1-2 years ... the first official release was only beginning of the year
[12:03] <ogra_> and even that is still "for enhusiasts"
[12:04] <hypermist> well the ubuntu-touch wiki was helpful
[12:04]  * hypermist slowly backs up his phone
[12:04] <ogra_> as i said, it took google several years to even get remotely up to speed vs IOS
[12:04] <untuser> ogra_: the whole "a true linux-phone" idea that's been ghosting around for atleast the time since maemo came out :)
[12:05] <ogra_> well and it is there :)
[12:05] <ogra_> in several variations
[12:05] <ogra_> and ubuntu phone wont go away ... as i said, it is the base of the future desktop and convergence
[12:05] <untuser> ogra_: ubuntu touch is just another one in the still-standing boot hoping for a fresh breeeze to push them forward :P
[12:06] <ogra_> even if it doesnt sell much, the next gen desktop is based on it
[12:06] <hypermist> i feel like this back up is gunna take forever Hahha
[12:07] <hypermist> 4.05gb free out of 12.9gb.
[12:07] <untuser> ogra_: i digged the "converge-idea" totally  when the kickstarter-campaign presented it, totally backed it as long as it was truely "one" in the sense of a desktop-replacement
[12:07] <hypermist> Hmmm yea thats gunna take a bit to backup haha
[12:08] <ogra_> untuser, yeah, sadly it failed ... else there would have been more people hired and the development would have been way way faster
[12:08] <ogra_> but you can see the direction was right by seeing microsoft copy the concept ;)
[12:09] <ogra_> (like many UI ideas from ubuntu phone can suddenly be found in latest IOS)
[12:10] <untuser> and i still think that that is a thing that could be a "hit" and i will hate if microsoft is going to be the first one to get the "convergence"-idea up&running
[12:11] <ogra_> well ...
[12:11] <ogra_> canonical have ~600 employees ... only a small fraction of them works on the phone
[12:11] <untuser> ogra_: the didn't yet i hope? :P
[12:11] <ogra_> MS has a few more people it can throw at the problem :)
[12:12] <ogra_> s/canonical have/canonical has/
[12:12] <untuser> ogra_: yea probably the same number, but only for that specific  problem
[12:12] <untuser> ;)
[12:13] <ogra_> i'd probably put one digit more in ... but who knows :)
[12:13]  * hypermist tries to paitently wait for my phone to backup
[12:14] <untuser> hypermist: bootloop & failed backup up ahead! ;)
[12:14] <untuser> hypermist: just kidding ;)
[12:14] <hypermist> I know the risk of changing roms
[12:14] <hypermist> xD
[12:14] <hypermist> So how well does skype work on ubuntu-touch ?
[12:14] <ogra_> not at all yet
[12:15] <hypermist> Crep
[12:15] <hypermist> Super crap
[12:15] <hypermist> xD
[12:15] <ogra_> tell microsoft :)
[12:15] <hypermist> Why would it be in the app store if it didn't work xD?
[12:15] <ogra_> ask the guy who uploaded it
[12:15] <ogra_> i think it is a webapp ...
[12:16] <ogra_> might work for messaging
[12:16] <hypermist> yea thats all i need
[12:16]  * ogra_ has nno skype account
[12:16] <hypermist> Haha
[12:16] <DanChapman> I think it loads the desktop UI so it's not mobile friendly
[12:16] <untuser> hypermist: there are 3 rules: 1) back it the f. up before proceeding 2) have a spare nokai 3210 at hand just in case 3) follow rule 1&2
[12:17] <hypermist> untuser, i dont have a spare phone
[12:17] <hypermist> Xd
[12:18] <untuser> thats never a good thing as we all know, whatever could go wrong will possibly go wrong :P
[12:18] <hypermist> xD
[12:19] <hypermist> If that happens
[12:19] <hypermist> it looks like its saving time xD
[12:19] <hypermist> saving money that is
[12:19] <hypermist> xD
[12:20] <untuser> does "ubuntu touch" even run okay-ish on the n4? the only thing i remember about the n4 was it's glittery-backsite and that it broke already when you looked too long too focused at it :D
[12:21] <untuser> i personally know about 5 blokes including me that had their n4-backsite cracked :P
[12:23]  * ogra_ only had the from cracked on his 
[12:23] <ogra_> *front
[12:23] <hypermist> untuser, with what you said about the whatever could go wrong reminded me of a kevin bloody wilson song
[12:25] <Isotop7> untuser : make it six!
[12:25] <untuser> hypermist: kevin bloody wilson doesn't ring a bell, but it's usally best to take that as a given and therefore take as many as possible safety procussions just in case, to be on the safe-site
[12:26] <untuser> Isotop7: don't make direct eye-contact or it's gonna crack!
[12:26] <untuser> ;)
[12:26] <hypermist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao5Kq0hJwzY all i have his the link i didn't open it so it could be horrible untuser
[12:27] <hypermist> Bad words in the song btw
[12:27] <hypermist> xD
[12:33] <untuser> i will check it asap, gtgn :)
[12:33] <untuser> good luck with your n4!
[12:43] <bkchr> Hi, i need to debug on ubuntu touch, but everytime my gdb prints "Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?)". Any ideas? The program didn't crash, so the stack should be corrupt^^
[12:44] <hypermist> still backing up
[12:44] <hypermist> xD
[12:52] <Isotop7> ogra_ : omg, its back alive...thank you very very much :)
[13:10] <hypermist> god damnit i open a game.
[13:11] <hypermist> and now my backup stopped
[13:11] <hypermist> >_>
[13:12] <hypermist> now i dont know if i got all my apk's and stuff
[13:18] <hypermist> had to restart the command
[13:18] <hypermist> :\
[13:19] <tathhu> morning..:D
[13:19] <hypermist> Morning tathhu
[13:43] <hypermist> i have a feeling my backup stopped
[13:43] <hypermist> :
[13:43] <tathhu> don't do it :P
[13:44] <hypermist> no but seriously i think cause it stopped before
[13:44] <hypermist> It just rekt my backup
[13:44] <hypermist> what do you know.. it did
[13:44] <hypermist> GAH
[13:44] <tathhu> Rip in pepperonis
[13:44] <hypermist> Lol xD
[13:45] <hypermist> annoying thing each time it stops it has to restart...
[16:26] <hypermist> wish it wasnt 5:26am..
[16:28] <popey> Good news! It isn't (here)
[16:28] <jgdx> yeah, that would've sucked
[16:30] <hypermist> Im so tired
[16:30] <hypermist> But i ahve to get ubuntu-touch installed first
[16:30] <hypermist> xD
[16:33] <hypermist> its gunna be 6am in no time ;(
[16:48] <tathhu> lol
[16:48] <tathhu> :D
[16:52] <hypermist> im that tired i feel sick
[16:52] <hypermist> :(
[16:55] <hypermist> Well thats a good thing its booting ubuntu touch
[16:55] <hypermist> and i feel like im going to collapse
[17:07] <hypermist> its installed skype is installed and thats all im worried about
[17:07] <hypermist> GOodnight im so god damn tired
[17:40] <phablet> hello world
[17:42] <tathhu> return 0;
[17:44] <maggots> this phone is actually really cool once you enable r/w
[17:44] <tathhu> test for me if you can really use livestreamer :P
[20:18] <wilque> ubuntu no brasil
[20:19] <wilque> ubuntu phone in brazil ?
[20:20] <wilque> já existe um pacote de tradução do ubuntu phone para o brasil
[20:22] <wilque> já existe um pacote de tradução do ubuntu phone para o brasil ?
[20:51] <lakitu> hey - is ubuntu touch ready for a touchscreen desktop monitor?
[20:57] <lakitu> got my answer, i think
[20:57] <lakitu> best to all here - take care
[21:29] <phablet> quit
[21:29] <phablet> exit
[22:43] <mariogrip> is the dev files from /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/dev used? do android use them?
[22:44] <ogra_> yes, these are the container dev files (dont touch them)
[22:45] <ogra_> if you want to fiddle with them do it from lxc-console ... not from outside the container
[22:48] <mariogrip> okey, thanks
[22:56] <nyl> hi, any nexus phone users here?
[22:57] <nyl> i have a small issue with installing ubuntu touch
[23:04] <nyl> stuck at google logo on mako
[23:52] <lotuspsychje> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Phone-Estimate-25k
[23:52] <lotuspsychje> good work devs!!!
[23:52] <lotuspsychje> you guys have changed the world already