[01:48] <ahoneybun> Darkwing_:  started following me on instagram :)
[06:22] <soee> good morning
[07:03] <sitter> yofel: http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_unstable_baloo/101/
[07:06] <sitter> Riddell: why did you merge kubuntu_unstable into kubuntu_stable for kaccounts-integration?
[07:06] <sitter> http://kci.pangea.pub/job/wily_stable_kaccounts-integration/28/
[07:39] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:55] <yofel> sitter: do we have a solution for adding CI stuff to the changelog yet?
[07:55] <yofel> i.e. how do say in the changelog that I removed the patches?
[07:56] <sitter> no solution yet
[07:56] <yofel> brrr
[07:57] <sitter> I'd imagine it needs separate files
[07:57] <sitter> changelog.stable
[07:57] <sitter> changelog.unstable
[07:57] <sitter> and they need to get merged by the merge script
[07:57] <sitter> latter is interestingly enough built into intiial upload because Riddell doesn't like my dedicated script...
[08:03] <yofel> did you try gbp dch yet?
[08:10] <sitter> yofel: considering the hoops we have to jump through with gbp already... no :P
[08:10] <sitter> I decide that I don't trust gbp anymore
[08:11] <sitter> yofel: possibility, our messages are mostly garbage though :P
[08:12] <yofel> I know, this is like choosing between poison and radioactive waste *-.-
[08:13] <sitter> it's not terribly complicated. just needs someone to work out a scheme. we could also require that all changeslog be documented in the commit with a CHANGELOG keyword and have the release script parse for that
[08:13] <sitter> i.e. like gbp dch but only with useful entries
[08:14] <sitter> putting the data in the commit for the most part also removes the problem of having two logs between stable and unstable as commits are by and large unique unless someone screws up
[09:21] <Nobofi> hello
[09:22] <Nobofi> ive been trying to install kubuntu 15.10 beta 2 in vmware, but have no idea on how to get the tools working.
[09:22] <Nobofi> can anyone help?
[09:26] <Nobofi> is this even the correct place to ask?
[09:58] <Nobofi> hi
[09:58] <Nobofi> is anyone there?
[10:08] <sitter> 15.10 support is in #ubuntu+1
[10:08] <Nobofi> oh
[10:08] <Nobofi> thx
[10:08] <Nobofi> anyway
[10:08] <Nobofi> somehow it worked
[11:30] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:50] <clivejo> Riddell sitter: you guys know anything about the new calligra?
[11:51] <Riddell> clivejo: nope, what's the gossip?
[11:51] <Riddell> clivejo: 2.9.7 is in wily
[11:52] <clivejo> Riddell: Im trying to package the new version 3 ported to KF5
[11:52] <Riddell> whee
[11:52] <Riddell> a beast of a task I expect
[11:52] <clivejo> but kexi seems to have been removed and main calligra relies on three new packages, kreport, kproperty and kdb
[11:53] <clivejo> kexi apparently renamed kdb
[11:54] <clivejo> I couldnt find any packages of those names on luanchpad, does that mean they havent been packaged for kubuntu yet?
[11:54] <Riddell> clivejo: how did you get on with purpose and kamoso?
[11:55] <Riddell> clivejo: are you packaging from git for calligra?
[11:55] <clivejo> Riddell: they built and worked on my machine
[11:55] <Riddell> clivejo: are they in a PPA?
[11:55] <clivejo> only problem is the kamoso version
[11:56] <clivejo> for the watch file to work correctly it needs to be 3.0
[11:56] <clivejo> but I had been using 3.0.0
[11:56] <yofel> as I said, nearly impossible, live with it until the next release
[11:57] <Riddell> am I marked as away?
[11:58] <Riddell> I've a feeling quassel is marking me as away but I've no idea how to unmark it
[11:58] <clivejo> Riddell: yes you are
[11:58] <clivejo> Riddell: LP complains "Version older than that in the archive. 3.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1 <= 3.0.0~rc1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu15.10~ppa1"
[11:59] <Riddell> right so reversion it to 3.0.0
[12:12] <Riddell> ah hah, no UI for it, just type /away
[12:13] <Riddell> clivejo: able to do that for purpose/kamoso? else just send me what you have and I'll play with it?
[12:15] <yofel> kdb will be a fun source of confusion. kerberos ships libkdb5.so.7, kdb ships libkdb.so.1.0
[12:17] <yofel> clivejo: so yeah, all of the 3 you mentioned seem to be new (even if forked out of koffice it seems). Enjoy the packaging
[12:20] <clivejo> I need help!
[12:22] <clivejo> Riddell: kamoso wont upload to LP
[12:22] <yofel> question is how calligra plans to ship those
[12:22] <clivejo> Riddell: File kamoso_3.0.0.orig.tar.xz already exists in Wily, but uploaded version has different contents. 
[12:22] <Riddell> uh oh!
[12:23] <Riddell> clivejo: send them over to me somehow and I'll take a look
[12:23] <clivejo> I hate versions!
[12:26] <clivejo> how is 3.0.0 bigger than 3.0?
[12:28] <yofel> "" is smaller than ".0"
[12:29] <yofel> you can try the algorithm yourself with dpkg --compare-versions (see manpage)
[12:43] <mparillo> What would be a good channel to ask about mirrors? http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/15.04/release/ is down according https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1500010 But is that even a valid mirror?
[12:49] <sitter> kubuntu ci down for maintenance
[12:52] <sitter> sebas: btw, did your kmail improve in .1?
[12:52] <sebas> sitter: .1 what?
[12:52] <sitter> actually
[12:52] <sitter> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim
[12:52] <sitter> why is that at .0?
[12:52] <sitter> sebas: apps, which apaprently wasn't landed
[12:52] <sitter> it's not like 15.08.0 was entirely broken
[12:53] <sebas> it's dysfunctional with all updates installed
[12:53] <sebas> (wily)
[12:53] <sebas> that is, akonadi and kmail start, but kmail says akonadi is not operational
[12:53] <sitter> *nod*
[12:53] <sebas> same issue as last weeks
[12:54] <sitter> sebas: nothing changed, for some reason kdepim is still at 15.08.0 but should be at .1
[12:54] <sebas> k
[12:54] <sebas> let me know when I should try again
[12:54] <sebas> (I don't really like claws)
[12:55] <sitter> 🐼 kubuntu ci maintenance done 🐼
[12:55] <Riddell> hmm, good question, I'll see what else isn't 15.08.1
[12:55]  * Riddell fluffles sitter's panda
[12:56] <sitter> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html
[12:56] <sitter> for some reason that thing reports 15.08.0 on the watches
[13:09] <sitter> mck182: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=351805
[13:09] <bshah> sitter: mobile CI also down for maintainance?
[13:11] <sitter> no
[13:11] <sitter> or maybe 
[13:11] <bshah> mmm : http://mobile.kci.pangea.pub:8080/ ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
[13:11] <sitter> Riddell: ^
[13:13] <ricktimmis> mparillo: While your looking at mirrors, might be worth noting that torrents don't seem to be seeding and propogating correctly
[13:18] <BluesKaj> had problems with zsync finishing it's download with the dailiies a few days ago, same for the http ,oddly enough I had  had to zsync the image to finish the wget download 
[13:35] <Riddell> bshah: http://mobile.kci.pangea.pub:8080/ working for me currently
[13:36] <bshah> yep.. was giving error fe wminutes ago
[14:37] <Riddell> clivejo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kamoso/3.0.0-0ubuntu1 !
[14:40] <Riddell> clivejo: you might want to e-mail upstream and suggest they follow a sequential version number scheme with 3 parts to it in future
[14:50] <Riddell> clivejo: you know if calligra is too much of a beast that rsibreak applications is in need of packaging I read
[14:50] <sitter> in fact, tell kamoso to read the readme of their release script :P
[14:50] <sitter> in particualr the section going 'best practise'
[15:05] <sitter> Riddell: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/kdepim.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_wily_archive NONONONONOCI
[15:52] <ronnoc> Riddell: Is there any kind of direct benefit to Kubuntu if I join the Ubuntu Testers team? 
[15:52] <Riddell> ronnoc: I don't know what that team does
[15:53] <sgclark> hi all
[15:54] <ronnoc> Riddell: Similar to the QT we do here but a little more involved. You create a standardized hardware profile on GitHub, then so ISO testing and file bugs as neeed. Not sure if they'd be keen on Kubuntu ISO testing though. 
[15:55] <ronnoc> I just figured maybe there'd be some kind of synergistic overlap perhaps
[15:55]  * Riddell fluffles sgclark
[15:57] <sgclark> anything needing attention?
[15:57] <Riddell> ronnoc: I heard of automated ISO tests that ubuntu have which would be interesting for kubuntu, is that it?
[15:57] <Riddell> sgclark: valorie posted about rsibreak packaging
[15:57] <sgclark> that sounds cool.
[15:57] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, I will give it a shot
[15:59] <ronnoc> Riddell: Nope. See http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker and then  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Hardware. I uploaded a hardware profile already just as an excercise to see if it worked. 
[16:06] <yofel> FWIW, anyone here that does ISO/Upgrade QA might as well join the testers team, as that's what it's for
[16:07] <yofel> I think it's just a badge collector team anyway
[16:07] <sgclark> ooh badges
[16:12] <BluesKaj> "we don't need no stinkin' badges"  ... a widely quoted paraphrase of a line of dialogue from the 1948 film The Treasure of the Sierra Madre
[16:12] <BluesKaj> great old flick, that one
[16:19] <BluesKaj> somewhat offtopic , but due the above comments by yofel i couldn't resist :-)
[16:19] <yofel> heh
[16:28] <ronnoc> Riddell: If nothing else, having our own testers group make a hardware profile that is easily referenced (stored on a wiki page perhaps) might be of some value? I'm just thinking out loud a bit here.
[16:28] <ronnoc> yofel: That's the conclusion I was coming to as well ;)
[16:29] <sgclark> I uploaded my profile a long time ago
[16:29] <sgclark> though i am not on that team, perhaps I should join
[16:30] <yofel> ronnoc: the hardware profile should match whatever hardware you did the test on
[16:31] <ronnoc> yofel: Of course...otherwise it would be of little value. The trick long-term is to remember to update it whenever something changes on your system.
[16:31] <yofel> right
[16:32] <ronnoc> I was thinking if there were a recognized "Ku Testers Group" (official or not) it would be nice to have these HW profile links stored on a Wiki page somewhere for easy dev-checking when something comes up.
[16:33] <ronnoc> Perhaps it could save on some back-and-forth communication with a report or here on IRC. Just a thought though.
[16:34] <yofel> there is https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-testers which is dead because nobody cares about the documentation
[16:36] <ronnoc> yofel: I am already a member. Didn't even remember that. Do you mean Wiki pages for instructing users? I could probably handle that if there's interest.
[16:37] <ronnoc> Right now I beleive that anyone wanting to help with testing are generally just instructed to come here and bug someone. 
[16:38] <yofel> right, you'll see that there's a wiki page linked from the team page, which surprisingly actually exists and isn't in that bad of a shape
[16:39] <yofel> but yeah, we don't really have much testing documentation as we practically don't do any testing except ISO qa (which is somewhat ad-hoc) and KCI
[16:39] <BluesKaj> oh great that means I's have to keep 2 profiles since I run dev releases on a desktop and a laptop ;P
[16:40] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: If we wanted to utilize that feature, then yes :P
[16:41] <BluesKaj> then I'd probly just run the dev release on my desktop which is getting a bit long in the tooth
[16:42] <yofel> bbl
[16:42] <ronnoc> yofel: Excellent! Perhaps all that needs done really is fixing the broken link for Testing/Kubuntu/Current (https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Kubuntu/Current). I'll see what I can do to get that page in better shape.
[16:43] <BluesKaj> altho I'm looking at upgrading to a new pc in a yr or so
[16:44] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: All you ever have to do is re-run that shell script and you get an updated hardware profile URL to bookmark. Really couldn't be much simpler.
[16:48] <BluesKaj> ronnoc,  ok, seems fairly simple then 
[18:03] <Riddell> hmm I don't get that, it looks built
[18:36] <soee> yofel: thanks for taking care of this Dolphin bug
[18:36] <soee> looks like now it works fine :)
[18:36] <yofel> yw
[18:37] <clivejo> soee: what was the problem?
[18:37] <soee> clivejo: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2015-September/009945.html
[18:39] <clivejo> so, let me rephase it, what was the solution to the problem
[18:40] <soee> clivejo: you should ask yofel, he fixed it but updateign some packages i think
[18:41] <yofel> uh... something about not doing something without a db connection I think
[18:41] <yofel> would have to read the patches
[18:42] <yofel> (in baloo-kf5)
[18:49] <TJ-> Is that the package that brings in the mysqlserver-core ?
[18:50] <yofel> no, that would ba akonadi-backend-mysql
[18:50] <yofel> *be
[18:51] <soee> there is another annoying bug in Dolphin i just confrmed on #kde-devel :/
[18:58] <Riddell> soee: what's that?
[18:58] <soee> Riddell: what ?
[18:58] <Riddell> the annoying bug
[19:00] <soee> Riddell: ah, if we put some stuff in trash and click to empty it, the icon doesn't change and we can see all files in trash (but they were removed) and if we close dolphin and open it again we can see trash empty. But if we do not reopen Dolphin and try to remove manually some of those fiels in trash, we will see in systray indicator with endless loop
[19:01] <soee> this might be related to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352097
[19:01] <clivejo> Riddell: did you get kamoso files I sent?
[19:02] <Riddell> clivejo: yes thanks that got uploaded
[19:02] <clivejo> what was the issue?
[19:02] <clivejo> why wouldnt LP let me upload it?
[19:15] <soee> can someone of you mark it as confirmed https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352097 ?
[20:46] <Riddell> soee: done
[20:47] <soee> Riddell: thank you
[21:22] <clivejo> Riddell yofel: how do I indicate a 3.0.0 Alpha ?