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[14:07] <phillw> flexiondotorg: ping (Software center)
[14:07] <flexiondotorg> Hi
[14:07] <phillw> flexiondotorg: you involved with MATE?
[14:07] <flexiondotorg> Yes
[14:07] <flexiondotorg> MATE Desktop and Ubuntu MATE.
[14:09] <phillw> There was a sudden burst of activity regarding software center, where MATE was mentioned. Can I give you a summary of the discussion for you guys to have a think of?
[14:12] <flexiondotorg> Sure.
[14:21] <phillw> LSC (Lubuntu Software Center) can be easily renamed to Light Software Center, or Mate Software Center.... Jorn told me it is just a couple of changes to have it renamed. It is GTK and works perfectly in the desktop ISO installer. As it is python, it is easily amended to any other team. With lubuntu heading to Qt, a new Software center is being written. MATE may want to have a look at it and are welcome to use it <cont>
[14:22] <flexiondotorg> OK, thanks.
[14:22] <phillw> flexiondotorg: <cont> About App Grid, it needs an Ubuntu One account that sometimes it kicks  you out, so it's buggy. Ubuntu MATE is considering adopt it as their own Software Centre and dropping USC which is, in my opinion, a mistake, because the guys in Canonical are also improving USC for the Ubuntu Touch market and the forthcoming Snappy packages.
[14:23] <phillw> flexiondotorg: that comment is from the guy writing our software center. He is a good guy and it is worth listening to his research and views.
[14:24] <flexiondotorg> OK, so Ubuntu MATE is not adopting a software center as such.
[14:25] <flexiondotorg> We've removed USC from the default install.
[14:25] <flexiondotorg> I've create a Welcome app, which includes a highly currated (and very small) selection of application that can be installed via a single click.
[14:26] <flexiondotorg> So stuff like gimp, blender, inkscape, etc.
[14:26] <flexiondotorg> In Welcome there is the option to install a "software centre".
[14:26] <phillw> flexiondotorg: the only bug in LSC is the building of the data base when using the alternate installer (which you do not use). Other than that, it works fine and you can tweak it to suit MATE
[14:26] <flexiondotorg> USC and AppGrid are both in there, along with Synaptic for advanced users.
[14:27] <flexiondotorg> phillw, I did look at it.
[14:27] <flexiondotorg> I didn't have the time to take on a forking a software center last cycle.
[14:27] <flexiondotorg> It is something I might consider for 16.04.
[14:28] <flexiondotorg> Is the current master for LSC upto to with all pending changes/merges?
[14:29] <phillw> okies, I just wanted you to know that a rename is quite easy and the current babysitter was the one who mentioned that it was an easy tweak to fork it off.
[14:29] <flexiondotorg> phillw, Thanks for passing that along.
[14:31] <phillw> LSC's author left due to RL time contraints. I found / volunteered Jorn to babysit it and look at any bug fixes... Thankfully, it does not need any other than the issue with alternate installer which would be major re-write so we are sticking with the work around.
[14:34] <flexiondotorg> The work around being?
[14:34] <phillw> it's only fair to pass that on, as Jorn is thinking of using some of the ideas from MATE in the LXQt version :)
[14:34] <flexiondotorg> And what is special about the alternate build?
[14:35] <flexiondotorg> phillw, You mean a Welcome type thing in lubuntu-next? :-)
[14:35] <phillw> flexiondotorg: it does not require ubiquity. Ubiquity requires more RAM than lubuntu requires to run.
[14:35] <phillw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/1467517
[14:35] <ubot93> Launchpad bug 1467517 in lubuntu-software-center (Ubuntu) "LSC can only 'see' installed applications - Work around released." [Low,Won't fix]
[14:36] <phillw> thank you ubot :)
[14:37] <flexiondotorg> OK, understood. Thanks.
[14:37] <phillw> flexiondotorg: it is also our last line of protection to keep a CD sized ISO for the older computers that we are forsworn to support.
[14:37] <phillw> as you use desktop installer, this bug would not affect you.
[14:41] <phillw> flexiondotorg: also, how did you get the donation page bit set up and passed by Canonical? It is something we may consider again as in the past it was not possible
[14:41] <flexiondotorg> phillw, It is pre-existing from when Ubuntu MATE was not official.
[14:42] <phillw> ah, so it snook in... you have had no comments from adoption team about it?
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> No.
[14:43] <phillw> wonderful... I've just asked vikingredwolf to join
[14:43] <vikingredwolf> o/
[14:43] <vikingredwolf> O.o
[14:43] <phillw> vikingredwolf: (15:41:02) phillw: flexiondotorg: also, how did you get the donation page bit set up and passed by Canonical? It is something we may consider again as in the past it was not possible
[14:43] <phillw> (15:41:52) flexiondotorg: phillw, It is pre-existing from when Ubuntu MATE was not official.
[14:43] <phillw> (15:42:37) phillw: ah, so it snook in... you have had no comments from adoption team about it?
[14:43] <phillw> (15:43:00) flexiondotorg: No.
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> The thing is. The Raspberry Pi 2 build of Ubuntu MATE is by far the most popular.
[14:43] <flexiondotorg> More downloads that all other archs put together.
[14:44] <vikingredwolf> amazing, I was looking at it 5 minutes ago
[14:44] <phillw> vikingredwolf: we were discussing them using LSC GTK as a fork
[14:44] <flexiondotorg> About 1,100 downloads per day.
[14:44] <vikingredwolf> yes
[14:44] <flexiondotorg> Which is costing hundreds of $ per month.
[14:44] <flexiondotorg> vikingredwolf, Yo
[14:44] <phillw> flexiondotorg: why costing?
[14:44] <flexiondotorg> Saw you in the #ubuntu-mate backlog earlier :-)
[14:44] <vikingredwolf> I was about to create a new page for that, of course preparing as a template, but digging into PayPal settings
[14:45] <vikingredwolf> and o/ flexiondotorg :)
[14:45] <flexiondotorg> phillw, Because it is not an "official" flavour.
[14:45] <vikingredwolf> yes, I think the MATE are doing a great job
[14:45] <flexiondotorg> flexiondotorg, I build that image myself.
[14:45] <flexiondotorg> vikingredwolf, Thanks for the kind words.
[14:45] <flexiondotorg> I'm really keen to see LXDE transformed to LXQt
[14:46] <phillw> flexiondotorg: you are new... so you do not know of http://phillw.net/isos/
[14:46] <vikingredwolf> :) it's looking nice
[14:46] <vikingredwolf> but still a bit of work to do
[14:46] <phillw> it has a 100 MB/s backbone and is not billed for traffic, should you like an account on it.
[14:46] <vikingredwolf> flexiondotorg, I was looking for you to ask why gnome-main-menu is crashing, but your team mates convinced me to use Mint's one
[14:46] <flexiondotorg> phillw, How much bandwidth can that site sustain?
[14:47] <flexiondotorg> Because I'm push 20TB per month right now.
[14:47] <phillw> flexiondotorg: 100 Mb/s
[14:47] <phillw> no data cap
[14:47] <flexiondotorg> phillw, Where are you getting that?
[14:47] <phillw> OVH
[14:47] <flexiondotorg> vikingredwolf, I've just pushed patched to Debian for gnome-main-menu earlier today.
[14:48] <flexiondotorg> vikingredwolf, Will sync with Ubuntu 15.10 when it hits unstable.
[14:48] <flexiondotorg> phillw, OVH are capped at 10TB.
[14:48] <vikingredwolf> flexiondotorg, nice!! I really love that launcher
[14:49] <phillw> flexiondotorg: not mine :) I have a legacy server. There was a time when we paid for extra data, but it was scrapped.... :D
[14:49] <flexiondotorg> vikingredwolf, Here is the test build with patches - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mate-dev/+archive/ubuntu/crazy-mate/+packages
[14:49] <vikingredwolf> "crazy" LOL
[14:50]  * vikingredwolf is installing now...
[14:50] <phillw> flexiondotorg: so, if you'd like a mirror let me know. It takes a few minutes to set up as I have to tell SEL to allow httpd access to your /home/mate area :)
[14:50] <vikingredwolf> now I only have to convince you to add a "hide menu" feature to Caja, but I'm sure people already asked about that
[14:52] <flexiondotorg> vikingredwolf, Patches welcome ;-)
[14:53] <vikingredwolf> :)
[14:54] <phillw> flexiondotorg say yes.....
[14:54] <vikingredwolf> omg, it works!
[14:55] <phillw> vikingredwolf: what else would you expect? :D
[14:56] <vikingredwolf> ^.^
[14:57] <phillw> flexiondotorg: have the release team sorted out the stalled cron job for the daily builds yet?
[14:58] <flexiondotorg> phillw, Err, no idea.
[15:00] <phillw> flexiondotorg: okies.. I asked w x l to chase it up, as since B2 came out it has not done any rebuilds. (Oh, and for the record in case you were not aware, I'm persona non gratis on that area after my fall out with them and resigning my ubuntu membership)
[15:07] <phillw> flexiondotorg: would you like the mirror setting up?
[15:10] <flexiondotorg> phillw, I'll follow up on builds.
[15:11] <flexiondotorg> phillw, No mirror required just now. But thanks for the offer and I'll bear it in mind for the future.
[15:11] <flexiondotorg> Why did you resign your memebership?
[15:12] <phillw> Ermmm.... I call a spade a spade, an idiot an idiot and berate someone who was tasked with a job and fails to even attempt it.
[15:12] <flexiondotorg> And regarding LXQt, I ran it far a month when 0.7 was released on Arch Linux. I even helped with some of the LXQt packaging on Arch and voted for the LXQt maintainer to join the Arch Linux TUs :-)
[15:12] <phillw> Evidently, this is not allowed
[15:14] <flexiondotorg> Just check the daily isos.
[15:15] <flexiondotorg> Ubuntu MATE and Xubuntu have builds from today. Lubuntus most recent is from yesterday.
[15:21] <phillw> flexiondotorg: good, that means they fixed it :D