sethjerm, how is this a Unity bug?00:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1166124 in unity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu minimum system requirements needs to be updated" [Undecided,Confirmed]00:36
robert_ancellbye all04:12
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didrocksgood morning06:06
seb128hey didrocks & desktopers06:10
didrocksre seb128!06:11
seb128re :-)06:11
larsugood morning didrocks and seb128! How were your weekends?06:18
seb128hey larsu!06:18
seb128excellent, thanks! what about you?06:18
larsuseb128: great thanks! Went to the movies, met with my sisters, had some beer. All in all pretty relaxing :)06:21
seb128we were in France for the w.e, was nice, though spent a bit of time on the road06:23
seb128we even managed to do a have a bbq yesterday06:23
seb12819°C and sunny, felt like 25°C ;-)06:23
didrocksgood morning larsu! we stayed mostly at home and sneezing :)06:24
didrocksbut feeling way better now06:25
didrocksstill not 100% "fixed" but better06:25
larsuat least it's better now06:25
pittiBonjour tout le monde !06:30
seb128hey pitti06:30
seb128pitti, comment ça va ?06:30
didrocksbonjour pitti !06:30
seb128pitti, on a reçu le stollen samedi, merci beaucoup !06:31
larsuguten morgen pitti!06:31
pittiseb128: c'est grand !06:35
* pitti waves from Budapest06:35
didrockspitti: first meeting soon?06:35
pittididrocks: intro meeting now, yes06:35
seb128pitti, I hope the budapest week isn't going to be too stressing!06:35
didrockspitti: ah, I know that the next one will be """my""" topic06:36
didrockslet's see how it goes06:36
pittididrocks: how do you mean?06:40
didrockspitti: the thing I worked on last week, snappy dev experience06:42
didrocksyou will see, tell me how much olli is sweating :p06:42
Sweet5harkmoin all!06:49
didrockshey Sweet5hark06:49
Sweet5harkdidrocks: heya there06:50
larsumorning Sweet5hark06:51
seb128hey Sweet5hark06:57
seb128how are you?06:58
Sweet5harkseb128: survived LibreOffice conference. All feeling rather well, by biggest worry is us not getting complacent now (which usually is a good sign) ...06:59
seb128still lot to do on libreoffice though07:00
seb128get it smaller, split the component, make it fit for mobile :-)07:00
Sweet5harkseb128: yeah, yeah. you first, where's your patch?07:01
seb128well; you are the one who said that you can get complacent :p07:01
Sweet5harkseb128: lol, indeed. thanks for the help then!07:02
hikikoTrevinho, andyrock if you have some time later could you take a look here: https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/compiz/compiz.fix-811591/+merge/272359 ?07:16
seb128hey hikiko07:33
hikikohi seb128 :)07:34
seb128hey Trevinho, how are you?07:39
Trevinhoseb128: good! You?07:40
seb128good as well, thanks07:40
Trevinhohikiko: Mh I've looked at it but not tried and checked the internals07:41
larsumorning Trevinho and hikiko!07:42
hikikohi Trevinho larsu07:45
willcookeGood morning you fine fellows07:50
larsuhi willcooke07:51
larsuhappy Monday07:51
didrocksgood morning willcooke07:51
willcookehey didrocks07:51
willcookelarsu, saw this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/149436107:52
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1494361 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Wily: ubi-timezone consistently crashes from certain IP addresses" [Undecided,Confirmed]07:52
willcookelarsu, is that likely related to the stuff you've been working on?07:52
larsuwillcooke: vaguely07:54
larsugreat. Let's make a screenshot of the dialog box that says the error is described in a log07:54
larsuah, log is attached as well. /me ranted too quickly07:54
larsuunable to resolve host. This should be easy07:55
willcookeyeah, just saw that right at the end07:55
larsuwho maintains ubiquity?07:55
Sweet5harkseb128: just for completeness -- coming back for your goals for LibreOffice: get it smaller => ongoing, split the components => wont happen really beyond what we have, make it fit for mobile => ongoing. I would add: add more testing and continue stability and filter quality improvements (ongoing) and ... implement collaboration (ongoing).07:56
seb128hey willcooke07:56
willcookelarsu, looks like cyphermox has the most commits07:56
seb128larsu, cyphermox does07:57
willcookemorning seb128, thanks for updating that greeter bug already07:57
larsuthanks. I'll have a chat with him when he's around07:57
seb128willcooke, yw07:57
larsuTrevinho, didrocks: speaking of bugs - did you see my comment on that accelgrab patch?07:58
larsuI tried making it subscribe multiple times, to no avail07:58
didrockslarsu: oh, I didn't, let me have a look07:58
larsuI can imagine two other scenarios: (1) u-s-d crashes but there's no log (2) something other than u-s-d races with grabbing those accels for didrocks07:59
didrocksI guess it's clearly 2 for me07:59
didrockswe would have the .crash file otherwise (and I didn't see anything in gnome-session logs/upstart…)07:59
larsuwe could find out who that is by logging the d-bus traffic on login08:00
seb128larsu, didrocks, Trevinho, I read the irclog from friday afternoon, did you get to a conclusion on the issue/what to do to fix it?08:00
didrocksseb128: we know what state it's in and so why it doesn't respond08:00
larsuseb128: ish. We definitely understand the issue now, but are unsure of the cause08:00
didrocksseb128: we don't know how it goes to that state though08:00
seb128is that enough to know how to make the code more robust to the situation?08:01
didrocksso, it's possible at least to have Unity being more resilient08:01
seb128k, that's something08:01
didrocksbut you know what I think about bugs we don't understand fully…08:01
didrocksit will strick back in other way later and be worse…08:01
larsuseb128: the Best Way would be to change the interface08:01
seb128ideally we would still understand what's going on08:01
larsuit's remarkably bad08:01
seb128did gnome-shell change theirs?08:02
seb128or are we still using the same one?08:02
seb128in practice I don't think we need to be compatible there08:02
larsuprobably gnome-shell implements it with less bugs than unity08:02
seb128I doubt anyone mix components from g-s and unity08:02
didrockslarsu: or we need transactions over dbus! :-)08:02
larsuwhich is why they don't see issues (that often?!)08:02
larsuseb128: I agree, I think we should change it, but we decided against it because we need to backport, too and don't want a large changeset08:03
seb128didrocks, you seem to be able to reproduce easy?08:03
seb128larsu, right08:03
larsudidrocks: you can do transactions if you do it ... right08:03
didrocksseb128: yeah… now once every 4 logins…08:03
larsudidrocks: anyway. how do we log your session start?08:03
lan3yOH WEIRD NICJ08:03
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seb128didrocks, http://gould.cx/ted/blog/Bustle_Boot_Log_Under_Upstart08:04
seb128that's a nice hack to get login dbus activity08:04
seb128hey Laney08:04
larsuLaney: happy Monday! How are you?08:04
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seb128didrocks, might be useful to get info on what is doing the registration08:04
didrockshey Guest61035 -ney ;)08:04
Guest61035at lest you tab completed right this time :)08:05
didrocksseb128: yeah, not as of now, I spent too much time and lagging behind on Ubuntu make, but at least, Trevinho won't block on that and can implement the fix in between08:05
didrocksGuest61035: that's copy and paste! :)08:05
larsularsu: why are  you changing your nick all the time?08:05
larsuah shit, now it happened to me08:05
seb128is it friday yet?08:05
larsuit's always Friday in some part of the world08:06
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* larsu goes away reading about time zones work again08:06
seb128is desrt around those days?08:06
seb128we seem to have several glib update issues :-/08:06
seb128bug #149894508:06
ubot5bug 1498945 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "[libglib2.0] evolution + evolution-ews" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149894508:06
seb128bug #1495943 could be as well, gvfs didn't change this cycle08:07
larsushe's at openhelp iirc08:07
ubot5bug 1495943 in gvfs (Ubuntu) "gvfs-trash doesn't add "trash::" attrs to file which is moved to Trash" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/149594308:07
seb128larsu, are you the backup glib hacker? ;-)08:07
seb128also did attente go anywhere with the assert issue?08:07
* larsu whistles08:07
LaneyI filed those glib bugs upstream08:07
seb128Laney, bug watches on launchpad man :-)08:07
Laneyway before those08:08
Laneythis was like 4 months ago08:08
larsugotta love it when everyone is triaging08:08
seb128we should file them on launchpad and rls-w-incoming them08:08
seb128I would have started nagging desrt earlier08:08
seb128in the cycle08:08
LaneyI already told him about them08:08
Laneyand pinged in #gtk a couple of weeks ago08:09
seb128seems he doesn't have cycle to work on them then?08:09
seb128what's plan B?08:09
Laneyplan b if nobody fixes a bug?08:10
Laney...have the bug?08:10
larsuuh oh08:10
seb128revert to a version no thaving the regression?08:10
seb128well at least the ews issue started between .7 and .808:10
seb128so shouldn't be too difficult to bisect/find the commit08:10
* seb128 looks at the git commit log08:11
seb128we might need https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=2d7817887a9f0624f73492d04b2a992545f0beb908:15
seb128that's pointed as creating issues on at least https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75560908:15
ubot5Gnome bug 755609 in gio "glib 2.46.0 breaks Sun Java JVM" [Normal,New]08:15
seb128well the commit is08:15
seb128that revert was after .4608:15
seb128https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755496 also08:16
ubot5Gnome bug 755496 in general "glib 2.46 fails GStreamer test suite" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]08:16
hikikoandyrock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/859273 I think you fixed this bug a few weeks ago isn't it?09:00
ubot5Ubuntu bug 859273 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Improvable interaction between notify-osd and compiz's expo" [Low,Confirmed]09:00
hikikoshould I change the status to fix released?09:00
hikiko(probably that was a duplicate that remained in the list)09:01
larsuhikiko: can this even be fixed without moving notifications into compiz itself?09:01
larsuor do they have some hint set?09:02
hikikolarsu, I think this is fixed already by andyrock09:02
hikikoI just want to make sure before I change the status09:02
hikikoI don't know how he fixed it tbh09:02
larsuhikiko: right, it's still an issue on W, so please don't close the (ubuntu) one yet09:05
hikikommm ok! but I can't reproduce it :s09:05
larsustill the same for me. Maybe you have a newer compiz installed?09:07
hikikolarsu, I don't think so, maybe I am not following the steps correctly, I ll try again09:13
* larsu just typed `git checkout gnome-3-61`09:14
hikikohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/732784 this one sucks too, my desktop "froze" (mouse is grabbed) and I think it's unity related :/ there are many mouse grabs when unity runs with expo/switcher/other plugins and I can't figure out why yet09:14
ubot5Ubuntu bug 732784 in unity (Ubuntu) "Moving window in Workspace Switcher doesn't work when gtk-recordmydesktop is running" [Medium,Confirmed]09:14
hikikoscreen grab sorry09:14
seb128Laney, is there any reason to not upload that glib "revert of unwanted change" directly to wily? it might not fix all the issues but it does fix some upstream reported bugs and might fix some other bugs on the way09:31
LaneyPackage: glib2.009:43
LaneyPackage-Time: 51409:43
LaneySource-Version: 2.46.0-209:43
LaneySpace: 64544809:43
LaneyStatus: successful09:43
seb128Laney, thanks ;-)09:44
larsuLaney is quicker than irc09:44
Laneydid you see that dezrt is apparently not here this week?09:45
seb128lol, yeah he just asked on the bug to test from a ppa so I was unsure if that was parallel actions or not09:45
seb128yeah, just saw that :-/09:45
Laneyfaster turnaround09:45
seb128well, let's see when attente gets online09:45
seb128the most annoying issue is the menu one09:45
larsudesrt is just at a conference, will probably be online anyway09:45
seb128like gedit segfault on start 70% of the time here09:45
Laneyprobably not working on bugs though09:46
Laneyor at least not much09:46
Laneywe'll see i guess09:46
seb128yeah, attente was going to bisect glib for the menu issue09:47
seb128so maybe he found the commit09:47
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Sweet5harkHappy 5th Birthday, LibreOffice! https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/09/28/five-years-of-libreoffice/10:04
willcookeSweet5hark, Cake??10:11
Sweet5harkwillcooke: https://plus.google.com/+FlorianEffenberger/posts/WkUMN1yg8bi10:11
willcookeSweet5hark, :)  I will expect a visit from the postman later on10:11
* Sweet5hark quietly remembers the awesome cake nomnomnoms having had at the LibreOffice conference ...10:19
willcookeLaney, can haz b&w wallpaper10:30
Laneysick blud10:30
* willcooke bigs up the Alconbury massive 10:31
* Laney pulls a doughnut around maypole square10:41
* larsu doesn't know wtf people are talking about10:42
* Laney blaps larsu up10:42
ogra_Laney, would that be a 1927, a 1937 or a 1948 doghnut ?10:43
larsuogra_: at this rate it must be an inverted doughnut by now10:45
Laneythe tighter the better10:45
* Laney hugs larsu 10:45
LaneyI'm just being UK yoof10:45
larsugoogling "inverted donut" is ... interesting10:45
larsupie charts, 3d donuts, hair styles, breasts, cake10:46
larsuand this: http://the-food-orb.wikia.com/wiki/Evil_Donut10:46
* larsu hugs Laney back10:46
willcookeMonday's working to be weird10:47
* larsu is out for lunch11:15
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desrtgood morning desktop11:53
hikiko|lngood morning desrt11:54
seb128hey desrt, how are you?11:54
desrti am well, thanks :)12:00
desrtbut i am being scurried along to walk to the venue now.  ciao :)12:00
didrockshey desrt!12:01
seb128desrt, have fun, and don't play too much with portals on the way ;-)12:02
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attenteseb128: Laney: unfortunately the bisection didn't work, i finished the bisect on some random irrelevant commit and found that i could only reproduce the crash randomly. then i tried it against glib 2.42.1 and still found it reproducing it so i'm not sure it's a glib bug any more :/12:19
seb128hey attente12:20
seb128weird, it was consistent here and ld_preloading old glib fixed it12:20
attentei'm going to look at it some more today though12:20
seb128also the bug started showing up on e.u.c recently12:20
Laneyit's not random for me if I toggle that plugin12:20
seb128could be some other component change12:20
seb128but glib seems the more likely12:21
attenteLaney: i'll try it again with your gedit reproducer12:21
Laneysorry it's not git bisect run-able12:21
attentebut i didn't understand why it would still reproduce with 2.4212:21
seb128are you sure you installed/loaded that version correctly?12:22
attenteseb128: yeah, i was LD_LIBRARY_PATHing into my jhbuild build tree, and checked with ldd to make sure12:23
attentebut the bug only started appearing in vivid right? when 2.42 is the version from utopic12:24
seb128right, also I'm unsure if there are several issues12:24
seb128for sure something changed that make that issue more likely to be hit for a week or so12:24
Laneyseb128: you know... this might be that gsequence fix12:28
LaneyGLib-GIO:ERROR:/build/glib2.0-h3kZN2/glib2.0-2.46.0/./gio/gmenuexporter.c:256:g_menu_exporter_menu_items_changed: assertion failed: (position + removed <= g_sequence_get_length (menu->item_links))12:28
seb128Laney, yeah, which is why I asked if you uploaded to the archive, so we can see what issues get resolved with it12:29
Laneyyou didn't mention this bug then12:29
Laneybut you can also try with the ppa12:29
seb128no, I just said that I wanted to see it in the archive so we can see which ones for the glib issues we discussed recently are resolved12:30
seb128right, going to do that in a bit12:30
Laneyfixes it for me12:31
* Laney lets attente off the hook12:31
seb128it's a bit puzzling that we had reports from the assert in vivid though12:31
seb128but there might be less frequent conditions leading to the same assert12:31
Laneymust be something else12:31
attentewhat's the gsequence fix?12:32
seb128attente, https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=2d7817887a9f0624f73492d04b2a992545f0beb912:33
seb128hey qengho12:36
andyrockgood morning!12:36
qenghoHowdy. seb128, I think I'll have a chromium upload to fix failing autopkg test in a few hours.12:37
seb128qengho, oh, excellent, I was going to ask about that ;-)12:37
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cyphermoxlarsu: hey! are you hitting that ubiquity timezone bug?13:05
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seb128Trevinho, andyrock, who is likely the best person to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1499133 ?14:06
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1499133 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_menu_tracker_remove_items()" [High,Confirmed]14:06
andyrockseb128: Trevinho :D14:07
Trevinhoseb128: I might be14:07
seb128it's likely triggered as a side effect of the applications crashing on start due the glib bug we discussed earlier14:07
seb128but it's older than this14:07
seb128so the glib issue might just lead to a sequence that triggers that ups issue14:07
Trevinhoseb128: yeah, I was looking at the stacktrace in fact...14:08
seb128I can reproduce easily by running pidgin with bonjour enabled and exiting it, so if you need debug info...14:08
Trevinhoseb128: and I don't see any unity source involved, but well.. This doesn't meant there's anything wrong in indicator-appmenu or in unity-gtk-module14:08
Trevinhoseb128: ok, let me know if glib changes affect this14:09
seb128well, they are going to do by the fact that ups doesn't like apps crashing14:09
seb128and the glib fix is going to fix apps14:10
seb128but it doesn't made the segfault case is not still thee14:10
seb128https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/fb90c5cd261c59daee2e455c7e2445e2787affde shows that users hit that case14:10
seb128invalid read in valgrind14:12
seb128no unity code in there, could be a gtk bug14:13
andyrockseb128: Trevinho  I'm actually seeing similar invalid reads in appmenu-indicator14:19
andyrockI'm trying to fix the memory leaks in hud and panel services14:20
andyrockthere is no unity code involved14:20
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Trevinhoandyrock: cool14:47
Trevinhoandyrock: any progress in finding where the leak might be?14:47
andyrocknot cool at all ;D14:47
andyrocknot yet14:47
seb128does somebody who speaks python review https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-properties/except_variable_name/+merge/272617 ?14:59
seb128didrocks, thanks ;-)15:16
didrocksyw ;-)15:16
* didrocks is really hitting a bottle neck in this "interesting" test story :p15:17
didrocksgood news is that I found a real bug while digging, so…15:17
seb128well, at least that's something15:19
didrocksyeah, but it's still not fully solved though :p15:21
seb128Laney, on https://code.launchpad.net/~justinmcp/aptdaemon/1352654/+merge/243354 you said you would review/upload, is that still on your list?16:15
Laneyno I forgot16:15
Laneycan do, or you can if you want16:15
seb128I already looked at it but I don't really understand the second chunck/why data is not needed/missing16:16
seb128I think I tried to ping mvo for a review back then but I guess he's too busy16:17
seb128that was added in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/main/revision/955.2.1416:21
larsucyphermox: no, but I' in the process of making timezone selection work without hitting geonames.ubuntu.com16:21
larsucyphermox: and I think ubiquity ought to use that as well (it's using libtimezonemap now, too, right?)16:22
cyphermoxlarsu: I'm pretty sure if geoip.ubuntu.com isn't in the picture there would be no crash.16:22
seb128larsu, cyphermox, we should probably use the new lib, but that's not going to be for wily, so we need to debug/fix the current issue as well16:22
larsucyphermox: ah, this is not about geoname-lookup.ubuntu.com, but about the ip lookup stuff?16:24
cyphermoxso far I think there's something out of date on geoip, maybe. That could explain timezones not matching. I was going to do an upload to add some extra logs when we get the response from geoip so I could then match the timezone it reports with whatever is in tzsetup16:24
larsuanyway, I'm not hitting that issue here16:24
didrockshave a good evening everyone!16:24
seb128Laney, I don't understand why glatzor did that change so I'm not sure I want to undo it, but if you think it's fine please do (otherwise I'm going to try to ping mvo again) ... if you do upload, could you make python3-aptdaemon depends on gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 (<< 0.9) as well (to fix 1496292)16:25
seb128didrocks, thanks, you too16:25
cyphermoxlarsu: IP lookup should return you some XML with the location, timezone, etc.16:25
larsuwillcooke just made me aware of it because he knew I'm working on timezone selection stuff16:25
larsucyphermox: ah, this is different then16:25
Laneyseb128: well the 'data' is apparently supposed to be the release but it is actually "Ubuntu"16:28
seb128Laney, so the right fix might be to figure out why it use Ubuntu and make it be the release instead?16:29
Laneygo for it!16:30
seb128I see what you are doing16:30
Sweet5harkwillcooke: Hah, there are even pics of the LibreOffice cake: https://twitter.com/ThisIsSebi/status/647416600178610176 (well, one of three).16:33
seb128Laney, fine, let's apply the change as suggestion and drop the /Ubuntu, until somebody who knows that stack better do the better changes16:33
willcookeSweet5hark, :)16:33
Sweet5harkwillcooke: there is also at least one pic of me with a happy winner of a raspberry pi, though I cannot find it right now ...16:37
Sweet5harkanyway, EOD16:37
willcookeSweet5hark, that would be handy when you find it.  cya16:38
* qengho afk lunch16:46
Laneyseb128: I found some docs and it seems that data is usually the repository16:54
Laneynot the release16:54
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seb128Laney, repository using which format?17:11
Laneyit's like "Ubuntu"17:15
qenghodesrt: Do you mind advising me? A XDG desktop file can have one or more sections, some of which have Exec lines? That is: more than one "Exec...=" line if there are more than one sections for other Actions?17:55
qenghoBut only one Exec per section.17:56
larsuqengho: ya. the main section is when activating an application from the launcher (or similar), the other ones are named actions that appear in the right click menu of the launcher18:07
* larsu jumps in for desrt, who is at openhelp right now18:08
qengholarsu: Okay, thank you. Of those other sections, there can be an Exec line in them?  That is "grep -c ^Exec foo.desktop" can return greater than 1, and it's not an error?18:13
larsuqengho: yes, actions also have exec lines (for example, thunderbird's "Contacts" actions simply calls the main binary with a -addressbook switch)18:16
qengholarsu: thanks! The spec seems obvious, but I'm checking assumptions to track a weird problem.18:17
larsuah, good luck!18:17
willcookeg'night all18:20
willcookefeeling a bit coldly this afternoon, sure I will be around tomorrow but will email if not18:21
larsuwillcooke: get better!18:21
TrevinhoMh, after fighting with vector reallocation it's time to leave for some futsal...18:25
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seb128Laney, yeah, "format" I meant what is a repository? like is it "Ubuntu" or "main/universe" or ...19:22

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