[00:00] <TJ-> Mycroft appears in several of the stories
[00:01] <lotuspsychje> first i hear of :p
[00:01] <philipballew> lotuspsychje, hey there
[00:01] <lotuspsychje> 38 users, we have a new record
[00:03] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Yeah. with snappy - my bell is rung on respect to mycroft . Some move'n anda shake'n comin up .
[00:03] <lotuspsychje> imagine android would run it, bad nightmare
[00:04] <lotuspsychje> hackers taking over your home
[00:04] <TJ-> Ironic how they write "Mycroft is always listening" in the same sentence as saying it needs to be constantly connected to 'the cloud' ... so any slight outage, its dumb
[00:05] <Bashing-om> I am going to keep and use my desk top !
[00:05] <lotuspsychje> i really dont like clouds and internet of things
[00:05] <lotuspsychje> same here Bashing-om
[00:06] <TJ-> I don't mind IoT in the sense of having devices able to pass data and perform tasks under my control; I don't agree with the expectation of them being able to connect outside the local network
[00:06] <lotuspsychje> yeah thats always a security flaw
[00:06] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: and lets say the kid branches infected usb to the 'internet of things'-device, local net also infected
[00:07] <TJ-> I don't understand the mind-set of the majority that don't realise 'cloud' is such a threat to their personal information - until after they've been compromised
[00:08] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: did you hear about the siri ios9 flaw
[00:09] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I don't may much attention to Apple specifics, but I vaguely recall a few mentions over the years
[00:09] <lotuspsychje> its recent security flaw for ios9
[00:10] <lotuspsychje> to be able to browse all content on the users phone
[00:11] <TJ-> Doesn't surprise me. Any remote link is a threat and and attach vector
[00:11] <lotuspsychje> <°)))))-< n chips mmmmm
[00:11] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: so true
[00:13] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: good evening mate
[00:13] <TJ-> I've spent the last 6 months focusing on security from boot-time onwards, trying to develop an installation process that is user-friendly but extremely secure. It really brings the attack vectors into focus
[00:13] <lotuspsychje> lil less crowdy here HackerII
[00:13] <HackerII> evnin
[00:13] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: extreme security intersts me :p
[00:14] <lotuspsychje> few nice distro focus on security aswell these days
[00:14] <TJ-> I'm currently adding detached LUKS header and other crypt-disk support in GRUB
[00:14] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: the idea behind it is, we always doing support but never have real chance to talk 2 each other, so here wer are mate
[00:14] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: lordievader also playing with that
[00:14] <HackerII> excellent
[00:15] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: add to your favs or idle as you wish :p
[00:15] <HackerII> sure
[00:15] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: wich distro you running?
[00:15] <HackerII> 12 + 14  04
[00:16] <lotuspsychje> cool
[00:16] <lotuspsychje> trusty 64bit here
[00:16] <HackerII> havent gotten around  to loading 64 bit yet, any tips ?
[00:16] <TJ-> Dog-fooding 15.10 on my primary and secondary PCs here
[00:17] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: download the 64bit iso and install
[00:17] <HackerII> i might in a couple days
[00:17] <HackerII> i am a electronics tech and am swamped , need to find time
[00:17] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | HackerII and install this aswell for a boost
[00:18] <HackerII> does that use alot of ram ?
[00:18] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: it helps pre-load things
[00:18] <HackerII> ic  sure will
[00:19] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I *think* systemd includes a readahead function itself
[00:19] <HackerII> by default ?
[00:19] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: would it conflict with preload you think?
[00:20] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: preload is optional, so needs install
[00:20] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: I'm not sure what preload does.
[00:20] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: try it out :p
[00:20] <HackerII> i clock the hell out of  my systems, maybe preload will let them breath lol
[00:20] <HackerII> Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-90-generic-pae CPU[1]: AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 270 Processor@4164.869 MHz CPU[2]: AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 270 Processor@4164.869 MHz Mem/Use:   3865064 kB/  1047028 kB XInfo:  Screen #0: @ 1600x900 pixels (423x238 millimeters) /24 bit Uptime: 14:27
[00:20] <lotuspsychje> DESCRIPTION
[00:20] <lotuspsychje>        preload is an adaptive readahead daemon that prefetches files mapped by
[00:20] <lotuspsychje>        applications from the disk to reduce application startup time.
[00:21] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: ssd install, 64bit, and preload make a nicely match :p
[00:21] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: whats your current hd?
[00:21] <HackerII> ya, thats another thing i need to get, 250g ssd
[00:21] <daftykins> no point overclocking a museum piece :)
[00:21] <HackerII> ill bet thatl screem
[00:21] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: try the samsung 850 pro
[00:22] <HackerII> haha, museum piece
[00:22] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: i still have an amd 3200+ with ssd ubuntu 64bit
[00:22] <lotuspsychje> rocketfast!!!
[00:22] <HackerII> ya, ill get the pro model
[00:22] <daftykins> what a waste of time :P
[00:22] <lotuspsychje> looool
[00:22] <HackerII> already have it b-markt
[00:22] <HackerII> amazon
[00:22] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: ok give us your eyecandy atari specs :p
[00:23] <HackerII> i have tons of old amd chips
[00:23] <lotuspsychje> mmm chips
[00:23] <HackerII> D`oh!
[00:23] <lotuspsychje> lol
[00:23] <HackerII> i like your demeanor
[00:24] <lotuspsychje> de what
[00:24] <TJ-> My Huskies burned their mouths on my supper chips earlier :) Silver ended up burying 1 chip under the door mat :)
[00:24] <HackerII> attitude
[00:24] <lotuspsychje> lol TJ-
[00:24] <lotuspsychje> ahhh
[00:25] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: you've joined the right channel for great attitudes
[00:25] <daftykins> ;]
[00:25] <lotuspsychje> just be carefull with daftykins he's nasty
[00:25] <HackerII> ive been here before under another nic, ill let you figure that 1 out
[00:25] <lotuspsychje> loool
[00:25]  * daftykins sharpens his cat's claws
[00:26] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: incognito volunteer are you!
[00:26] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/t6ayu4ssdjnum9z/IMG_20150926_035008.jpg?dl=0
[00:26] <HackerII> na, observer, undercover
[00:26] <lotuspsychje> fooling around users :p
[00:26] <daftykins> vee have vays of making you talk
[00:26] <HackerII> lol
[00:26] <HackerII> yup
[00:26] <lotuspsychje> nice1 daftykins
[00:27] <HackerII> poor germany
[00:27] <HackerII> all those immagrnts
[00:27] <lotuspsychje> 800.000 of them
[00:27] <HackerII> doing damage
[00:27] <lotuspsychje> the world is chancing like nostradamus predicted
[00:27] <HackerII> pretty much
[00:28] <HackerII> and the pope is running it all through proxy
[00:28] <HackerII> hes here right now
[00:28] <lotuspsychje> here where
[00:28] <HackerII> telling us we need to take syrian refugees
[00:28] <HackerII> usa
[00:28] <lotuspsychje> yeah that poe mobile is real evil
[00:29] <lotuspsychje> pope
[00:29] <HackerII> the whole organization is
[00:29] <wileee> get the bobble head
[00:29] <HackerII> doe it come with battrries ?
[00:29] <lotuspsychje> but, there is hope, with ubuntu will take over the world underground!
[00:29] <HackerII> haha
[00:29] <lotuspsychje> we will grow our community
[00:29] <wileee> nah, just need a moving stand
[00:30] <lotuspsychje> and fight against big, evil corp
[00:30] <HackerII> microshaft is worse than cia
[00:30] <lotuspsychje> opensource is a style of living, we are all ment to be
[00:30] <HackerII> u got it
[00:30] <HackerII> 10 yrs for me
[00:30] <lotuspsychje> we all here with a reason
[00:30] <HackerII> ubuntu 6.06
[00:31] <lotuspsychje> same digital generation flows in our blood
[00:31] <TJ-> I'm not sure about MS being worse; at least they respect the F/OSS licenses, unlike say VMWare
[00:31] <HackerII> went from win2k pro to ubuntu
[00:31] <lotuspsychje> lol i had xp for dinner few years :p
[00:31] <HackerII> TJ-, , have you seen what you have to sign and allow them to do for usimg it ?
[00:32] <HackerII> you sign over your cam and mic
[00:32] <TJ-> HackerII: but you have a choice. VMware is actively stealing code from Linux kernel and refusing to abide by the GPL
[00:32] <HackerII> agreed
[00:33] <TJ-> I hope they lose in the court case; that'd really shake things up since with the GPL v2 any breach cancels the licence totally
[00:33] <HackerII> if the judge isnt bought off, they will
[00:35] <TJ-> Unlikely in Germany
[00:35] <lotuspsychje> im also member of a LETS group (local exchange trading system) in my region, bit like opensource trading for virtual coins
[00:35] <HackerII> huh
[00:35] <HackerII> interesting
[00:36] <lotuspsychje> saves a lot of money, and keeps the evil money system away
[00:36] <HackerII> what determines its value
[00:36] <HackerII> whats backing it
[00:36] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: do you have much in the way of FreeCyle/RealCycle groups ?
[00:36] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: 60 LETS coins for an hour
[00:36] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: what you mean in the way
[00:37] <HackerII> so, its basically  barter ?
[00:37] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: whats barter mean sorry, im not english native
[00:37] <HackerII> trade
[00:37] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: yes its trading, bt not one2one
[00:38] <HackerII> i c
[00:38] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: i bake bread for you: 60 coins, you use the 60 coins to buy apples from someone else
[00:38] <lotuspsychje> etc
[00:38] <HackerII> nice, the way the paper currency is going, barter will be the next currency
[00:38] <lotuspsychje> you can also go under the limit -2500 +2500
[00:39] <TJ-> lotuspsychje: In the UK we have vey active local groups that offer their unwanted property free of charge rather than dumping it.
[00:39] <HackerII> same here
[00:39] <TJ-> s/vey/very/
[00:39] <HackerII> from cars to computers
[00:39] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: ah nice! its like transition
[00:40] <TJ-> I've cleared out lots of unwanted 'stuff' that way
[00:40] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: i saved alot of $$$ already with this system
[00:40] <HackerII> who pays shipping
[00:40] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: its local system
[00:40] <HackerII> ahhh
[00:40] <HackerII> ok
[00:40] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: the one that grabs, comes get it
[00:41] <HackerII> does it come with a life time warranty ?
[00:41] <HackerII> j/k
[00:41] <HackerII> lol
[00:41] <lotuspsychje> lol
[00:41] <lotuspsychje> its also using elas opensource system
[00:41] <lotuspsychje> to keep your coins/transactions online in a list
[00:42] <lotuspsychje> so you can give/accept virtual coins
[00:42] <HackerII> basically, thats like the stock market, if you have 2 cats @ 50k a piece, and i have 1 dog @ 100k, we trade, and no one makes anything
[00:42] <lotuspsychje> yeah the business coprs do this system long time already
[00:42] <HackerII> im making fun of the stock market here
[00:42] <lotuspsychje> container potatoes trade container bikes
[00:43] <lotuspsychje> no $$$ for each
[00:43] <HackerII> unless your a congress member, then you get to rip off the general public with insider trading
[00:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[00:43] <lotuspsychje> politics..those guys need to be thought a hard life lesson
[00:44] <HackerII> its coming
[00:44] <lotuspsychje> we need to go all to basics again
[00:44] <HackerII> yep
[00:44] <lotuspsychje> did you know freenode has a basicincome channel
[00:44] <HackerII> no, b ut i know they have every channel imaginable
[00:45] <lotuspsychje> another great idea
[00:45] <HackerII> seems that would bring folks who like to argue economics
[00:45] <lotuspsychje> the thought everyone needs to work till 60 for small pension $$ is dead
[00:45] <lotuspsychje> everyone wants to combine quality life time now
[00:46] <HackerII> well,with paper with nothing backing it, it cant win anyway
[00:46] <HackerII> debt is the new currency
[00:46] <lotuspsychje> yep
[00:46] <lotuspsychje> they invented debt to keep us low
[00:46] <HackerII> they socially re-engineered folks to accept that, if you dont have credit (debt) you are a no body
[00:47] <lotuspsychje> but they didnt think we have the powers to turn the system
[00:47] <HackerII> thats what created the housing bubble
[00:47] <HackerII> all bubbles to be truthful
[00:47] <lotuspsychje> in few years the old thinking generation will die
[00:47] <lotuspsychje> and we will stand up
[00:47] <HackerII> almost gone now
[00:48] <lotuspsychje> thats the biggest illusion for politics power
[00:48] <HackerII> im 55, and i have studied economics for a long time, most of this generation have no idea
[00:48] <lotuspsychje> they just live 80 years on this earth, and die after
[00:48] <HackerII> its conditioning through public schooling and tv
[00:48] <lotuspsychje> yep
[00:49] <lotuspsychje> alot of nice docu's waking us all up now
[00:49] <HackerII> the people who own the printing press, own those institutions that engineer society
[00:49] <lotuspsychje> cant hide the truth anymore in the aquarius age
[00:49] <HackerII> rothchilds said, " give me control of a nations money, and i care not who writes their laws"
[00:50] <TJ-> I find the youngsters in university right now are actually pretty clued up about the problems; the folks wilfully ignoring them seem to be 40+ and happy with their personal status-quo
[00:51] <HackerII> well, the 401k and retirin g pention funds are next to go
[00:51] <HackerII> most deprtments have gotton rid of them already
[00:51] <lotuspsychje> we are really living a big lie
[00:51] <HackerII> u got it
[00:51] <lotuspsychje> no wonder the matrix was so popular
[00:52] <HackerII> paper only has the value it is given
[00:52] <TJ-> Living on an overdraft the youngsters have to clear
[00:52] <wileee> myth underlies many areas old and new
[00:52] <TJ-> Both monetarily, and environmentally
[00:53] <HackerII> loaning paper with interest which is printed out of nothing, creates debt that can not go away, its  by design, the imf is the long arm of the federal reserve which is foreign banks, private companies
[00:53] <lotuspsychje> zeitgeist
[00:55] <lotuspsychje> http://www.eburon.nl/ending_the_global_casino_ebook?language_code=en
[00:55] <lotuspsychje> this guy from holland describes it very nicely
[00:55] <lotuspsychje> ex-banker reveals how it all works
[00:56] <HackerII> the goal is a world currency
[00:56] <lotuspsychje> yeah and its comming soon
[00:56] <HackerII> yep
[00:56] <lotuspsychje> maybe the pope will lead
[00:56] <HackerII> thats why they are dropping the dollar incrmemently
[00:56] <HackerII> exactly
[00:56] <lotuspsychje> and bill orchester the smartphone addicted herd
[00:57] <HackerII> yep
[00:57] <lotuspsychje> all slaves of technology will follow
[00:57] <HackerII> your on the ball
[00:57] <lotuspsychje> same 2 u :p
[00:57] <TJ-> As long as enough people believe... it works :)
[00:57] <lotuspsychje> true
[00:57] <HackerII> typically, 54% of high school grads here, cant read
[00:58] <lotuspsychje> school, another evil corp
[00:58] <HackerII> owned by the same people who own the printing press
[00:58] <lotuspsychje> bringin big ego's to simple human
[00:58] <HackerII> nailed
[00:59] <lotuspsychje> once you live 'your title' your nailed for life indeed
[00:59] <HackerII> must be linux
[00:59] <lotuspsychje> it is us, the underground opensourcers that make the difference thinking
[00:59] <HackerII> ive never met a more smart people who use it
[01:00] <lotuspsychje> like i said, we are born to do this
[01:00] <lotuspsychje> this is real out of the box thinking
[01:00] <HackerII> i remember my windoze days, everything in life became a mouse click
[01:00] <lotuspsychje> lol
[01:01] <HackerII> its the hegalien dialect
[01:02] <HackerII> wow, its 9pm here already
[01:02] <lotuspsychje> :p
[01:03] <lotuspsychje> time flys in the world of the mind
[01:03] <HackerII> sure does
[01:03] <lotuspsychje> lucky us we have a soul too
[01:03] <HackerII> exactly
[01:03] <lotuspsychje> timeless and immortal
[01:03] <HackerII> most tho, only have to pennies for an intellect, one cant find the other
[01:04] <lotuspsychje> we will use whats beyond the intellect aswell
[01:04] <lotuspsychje> both become 1
[01:05] <lotuspsychje> !life
[01:05] <lotuspsychje> :p
[01:05] <HackerII> D`oh!
[01:05] <lotuspsychje> this was an interesting quality ubuntu discussion for sure :p
[01:06] <HackerII> its hard to have like minded folks, agreed, not on every level, as we are individuls, on purpose.
[01:07] <HackerII> einstein was right tho
[01:07] <HackerII> he said
[01:07] <HackerII> when technology overlaps with humanity, we will only have a generation of idiots
[01:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[01:07] <lotuspsychje> and its so true
[01:08] <lotuspsychje> did you hear about transhumanism HackerII
[01:08] <HackerII> i study that too
[01:08] <lotuspsychje> this is the digital cage their preparing for us
[01:08] <HackerII> geo engineering thumanity
[01:08] <lotuspsychje> yep
[01:08] <HackerII> they have been doing that since the 40's
[01:09] <HackerII> i can only imagine whats laying for us behind closed doors
[01:09] <HackerII> including chimera
[01:09] <lotuspsychje> slowly this snake flowing inside the lifes of human
[01:09] <lotuspsychje> bit by bit, its taking over
[01:09] <HackerII> yep
[01:09] <lotuspsychje> smartphone zombies cant wake up anymore
[01:09] <HackerII> right now, the pentagon is trnshumaning soldiers
[01:09] <lotuspsychje> its everywhere
[01:10] <HackerII> yeah
[01:10] <lotuspsychje> robots taking over work
[01:10] <lotuspsychje> taking over your fantasy with virtual reality
[01:10] <HackerII> merging the mind with computers, gates is heading it
[01:10] <lotuspsychje> yepp
[01:10] <HackerII> ever hear tom horn ?
[01:10] <lotuspsychje> no?
[01:11] <HackerII> google, tom horn transhumanism. he is right on it
[01:11] <lotuspsychje> ill do
[01:11] <HackerII> many vids on it
[01:12] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[01:12] <HackerII> yaman
[01:12] <HackerII> kavilar
[01:12] <HackerII> mixed dna from goats and spiders
[01:13] <lotuspsychje> yeah ive went to a reading with marcel messing explaining about his books
[01:13] <HackerII> googles marcel
[01:14] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: http://www.projectavalon.net/lang/en/marcel_messing_en.html
[01:14] <lotuspsychje> HackerII: deep guy, knows alot and helped alot of ppl wake
[01:14] <HackerII> nice
[01:14] <HackerII> looks
[01:16] <HackerII> i have to use another browser, i have ff pretty locked up with security
[01:16] <HackerII> ah
[01:16] <lotuspsychje> :p
[01:17] <HackerII> so you are aware fo vaccines
[01:17] <lotuspsychje> yep
[01:17] <HackerII> good job
[01:17] <HackerII> thimerisol
[01:17] <HackerII> aluminum
[01:17] <lotuspsychje> im not sick, why would i need
[01:17] <lotuspsychje> alot of ppl die with this coktails
[01:17] <HackerII> its a live virus
[01:17] <lotuspsychje> baby's in my country get like 6 shots of those
[01:17] <HackerII> 50 yrs ago, autism was unherd of, now its 1 in 50
[01:18] <lotuspsychje> before their 6months old
[01:18] <HackerII> here, they drop like flies at 18 months, they get up to 60
[01:18] <daftykins> i looked away for a few minutes after the antique hardware and now you guys have turned it into #ubuntu-conspiracy-theories
[01:18] <lotuspsychje> soon the world will see that 'conspiracy thinkers' all were right about it
[01:18] <daftykins> D:
[01:19] <HackerII> yeah lotuspsychje , were kooks for now, but, many are waking up
[01:19] <lotuspsychje> ^
[01:19] <lotuspsychje> daftykins still sleepin :p
[01:19] <HackerII> they ignore it, till it comes to their front poarch
[01:19] <lotuspsychje> yeppers
[01:19] <daftykins> well i didn't really read anything of what you said :D
[01:19] <daftykins> but it's all pretty pointless at the end of the day :)
[01:20] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: better scroll up for quality hahaha
[01:20] <HackerII> public schooler you
[01:20] <HackerII> lol
[01:20] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: and your just jaleous of our hardware
[01:20] <HackerII> i am a asus man here
[01:20] <lotuspsychje> bling blind -=AMD=-
[01:21] <HackerII> who knows what they are putting in intel chips any more
[01:21] <daftykins> i'm typing from an asus laptop :)
[01:21] <HackerII> nice
[01:21] <daftykins> better stuff than AMD sadly :(
[01:21] <HackerII> noway
[01:21] <daftykins> explain why AMD are so far behind then
[01:21] <HackerII> i7 ?
[01:21] <lotuspsychje> oh-oh the amd vs intel war
[01:22] <daftykins> nah that line was at your comment regarding what's in intels
[01:22] <HackerII> ooo,  your on an atom 1.6 gig, i c
[01:22] <daftykins> i think you're more confused than i am about what your point is XD
[01:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[01:22] <HackerII> na
[01:23] <daftykins> i'd love for AMD to come back and be competitive, but it's a bit of a dream
[01:23] <HackerII> intel = hot dogs... amd = real hamburger
[01:23] <lotuspsychje> they way i see it, running ubuntu every machine is value
[01:23] <HackerII> agreed
[01:23] <lotuspsychje> even if its a tandy
[01:23] <daftykins> HackerII: how can you have such a flawed opinion when the benchmarks speak for themselves 0o
[01:23] <lotuspsychje> or c64
[01:23] <TJ-> The new micro-x86 architecture might help them, but once they sold off the fabs they lost control of their own destiny
[01:24] <daftykins> TJ-: yeah, destined to play catch up now :(
[01:24] <HackerII> the reason i dont use intel is, what they do and are doing
[01:24] <TJ-> and reliant on the Fabs giving them capacity and R&D resources, and doing the investment for process shrink
[01:26] <TJ-> HackerII: what are you referring to?
[01:26] <HackerII> the evilness of microsoft
[01:27] <daftykins> we're talking about intel and AMD, you can't swing it around to MS :P
[01:27] <HackerII> well, it was my initial intent if you were here 10 mins ago
[01:27] <daftykins> right but the topic changed
[01:28] <HackerII> ok you win einstein
[01:28]  * daftykins blinks
[01:28] <lotuspsychje> lol
[01:28]  * HackerII coughs
[01:28] <lotuspsychje> maybe we should keep truth and hardware seperated for now
[01:29] <daftykins> i rejoined the channel but there are no questions! :O
[01:29] <daftykins> a quiet Sunday night, well Monday morning
[01:30] <HackerII> i will credit intel on getting me to work back in 92, i had a ps2 that was so huge , all i did was put a set of tires on it and drove it to work
[01:31] <lotuspsychje> !find intel
[01:32] <daftykins> intel having something to do with the PS2?
[01:32]  * daftykins blinks again
[01:32] <HackerII> consult your local doctor
[01:33] <daftykins> no need.
[01:33] <daftykins> you seem to be taking offense from what i'm saying
[01:34] <HackerII> na, just going with the flo
[01:38] <TJ-> I think his AMD SMM got him :)
[01:38] <lotuspsychje> lol
[01:41] <TJ-> One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them - in this case, ring -2 :D
[01:43]  * lotuspsychje draws his blade
[01:46] <daftykins> lotuspsychje: no more collecting nutjobs ;)
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: he's allright mate
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> give him some credit for me
[01:49] <daftykins> lol
[01:49] <daftykins> saying intel worked on the PS2? nah
[03:55] <daftykins> this guy can't even retype the website right :(
[04:05] <Bashing-om> daftykins: Some peoples' children !
[04:05] <daftykins> :D
[07:38] <lordievader> Good morning.
[13:02] <MonkeyDust> hello, what is the best linax distro?
[13:28] <lordievader> That is very subjective.
[13:32] <lordievader> Some like Ubuntu, others Debian, still others Arch, etc, etc.
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> lordievader  what is the best windows distro?
[13:40] <lordievader> Windows is an OS ;)
[13:40] <lordievader> What I usualy say: use the right tool for the job.
[13:41] <MonkeyDust> is linax a windows distro?
[13:41] <lordievader> Huh?
[13:48] <EriC^^> lordievader: you have to /join #ubuntu to get the joke
[13:55] <lordievader> Meh, the joke ain't worth that.
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon
[15:37] <lordievader> o/
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: evening mate
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> hi lordievader
[16:56] <EriC^^> evening lotuspsychje
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> anyone knows chipset of passport readers thats working by default on ubuntu?
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> identity card
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> good evening MonkeyDust
[17:02] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje
[17:03] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje  i looked for it too, there used to be a e-id app in the repos
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> yeah ive tested this eid for latest linux
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> but doesnt work with many cards
[17:03] <MonkeyDust> havent managed to get anything to work
[17:03] <lotuspsychje> me neither
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> would be nice to know at least 1 brand/chipset to work
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/more-ubuntu-phones-coming-soon-says-official-site-492973.shtml
[17:31] <MonkeyDust> fun hack of the day: cronjob... */30 * * * * saytime
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> hi Bashing-om
[18:16] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: I am back in .. refreshed and bushy tailed ! I miss anything exciting that warrents reading the log ?
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> it got bit n00by today with trolls
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> you can takeover slowly Bashing-om now
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> this fella will hit the feathers
[18:20] <MonkeyDust> resistance is futile, you will be assimilated
[18:20] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: good evening
[18:28] <TJ-> Hiya :)
[18:29] <TJ-> Been a good day - away from technology :)
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> great
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> same here, was pretty sunny too
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Ubiquity-New-UI
[18:36] <TJ-> Style over substance once again! They should devote some resources to fixing the bugs in ubiquity and debian-installer, and adding more functionality
[18:36] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Back in-channel. lemme look at the ailment :)
[18:37] <TJ-> My feet are tingling because I've been out with bare feet around the fields and stung by nettles; feels like they're thawing out on a cold day :)
[18:39] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Looks like it is going to be a Monday !
[18:42] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Practicing to become a "hill-biily" ?.. keep on bare foot'n, uou will develop immunity . I do speak from experience ( Qualified Arkansas ridge runner - I am expected to be bare footed ) .
[18:43] <TJ-> Bashing-om: I've been doing since I was a baby ... hot shower tends to make it more noticeable
[18:45] <TJ-> Most of the time there are too many thorns in the grass to go fully bare-foot, but I was mowing a path through the nettle patches around one of the fields where the dogs run - Pepper has sensitive feet and hates having them stung :)
[18:49] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I m still stuck at "  hot shower tends to make it more noticeable " it referring to the tingling feet ? Or --- what my mind conceives . We live on a black top road, had to put our dogs behind fences ... dang it !
[18:51] <TJ-> yeah... hot showers makes the tingling much more noticable :)
[18:52] <TJ-> Our Huskies aren't allowed out the yard without supervision, but we've got ~1000 acres and there's one 63 acre field they love to explore (rabbits, hares, mice, voles, foxes, badgers, Herons, gulls, etc.). We have a lane between the house and the field so I keep them on-leash to get to it.
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: you live in north pole? :p
[18:58] <TJ-> Haha fortunately not - they'd never come out the Igloo if we did, they're so comfort-seeking
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[19:12] <lotuspsychje>  ubottu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> you guys going to rough with that poor bot
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> bbl guys
[19:43] <Bashing-om> wileee: Good help has also arrived :)
[19:44] <wileee> hardly, heh
[19:45] <Bashing-om> Now now, give credit, where the credit is due ! It's a Monday !
[19:46] <wileee> :)
[21:02] <TJ-> FYI: Many Acer E15 UEFI systems have a firmware bug. The issue manifests as an installed Linux not being visible in the UEFI boot menu, despite the OS 'efibootmgr -v' showing an entry, and the boot files being in the EFI-SP. The cause is due to Acer introducing a concept of 'trusted' boot exectuables. In Setup, on the Security menu, is the option "Select an UEFI file as trusted for executing:" which
[21:02] <TJ-> brings up a file-chooser dialog. That needs to be used to select the grubx64.efi and/or shimx64.efi. To use the Chooser requires SecureBoot being enabled, and to have SecureBoot enabled requires a supoervisor password being set for UEFI Setup. Once the executables are set to be trusted SecureBoot can be disabled.
[21:05] <daftykins> TJ-: ah i spotted that one in that last guys screenshots!
[21:05] <daftykins> ugh Acer have made life very difficult
[21:06] <TJ-> Was it barjac? I was helping him last night in #grub and he's just reported back with success
[21:07] <daftykins> although that was an E11, hmm
[21:07] <daftykins> nah before the weekend at least
[21:07] <daftykins> i'm not good at the passage of time :D
[21:09] <TJ-> Yes, I recall that one too. This is another instance of the same issue.
[21:09] <TJ-> Nasty firmware bug too - Linux/GRUB gets the blame
[21:10] <daftykins> btw you guys traceroute'd 'bad.horse' yet? :)
[21:29] <TJ-> there used to be a 100-hop version for Star Wars
[22:14] <daftykins> :)
[22:38] <JanC> TJ-: I've seen a lot of worse firmware weirdness than that  :)
[22:39] <TJ-> JanC: yeah, me too, but this seems to be a recent phenomenon or else there's a rush of users repurposing them to Linux
[22:39] <JanC> like the internal NIC not being visible if you enable Secure Boot
[22:40] <JanC> not sure anyone found a way around that yet
[22:40] <JanC> it's on Toshiba laptops
[22:40] <TJ-> That makes sense of course
[22:41] <JanC> TJ-: I mean the internal NIC not being visible, even after booting :)
[22:41] <TJ-> JanC: oooo, that's neat!
[22:42] <TJ-> JanC: I'd have thought there'd be a method in the ACPI DSDT to enable it, but might only be available to Windows
[22:42] <JanC> and I would understand an external NIC not being visible, but an internal one could have a checksummed firmware or whatever
[22:42] <JanC> TJ-: possible
[22:43] <JanC> signed firmware
[22:44] <JanC> I haven't tested that one with the latest kernel
[22:44] <TJ-> It does sound like an oversight bug
[22:45] <TJ-> I usually disassemble the DSDT, look at the OSI strings and what the config flags value associated with each is (Windows 2012 usually has the most functions enabled), and then check the Methods to see whether the power-control methods are active when OSI=Linux
[22:46] <JanC> the Asus EEE PC 900 netbooks also had a nice "feature" where you had to enable a cryptic feature "First Boot" in the BIOS if you wanted to boot from any external drive
[22:47] <TJ-> I blame the Chinglese translations :)
[22:48] <JanC> like, you could put external USB devices before the internal SSD in the boot order, but it would just ignore that without that switch enabled  :)
[22:48] <JanC> TJ-: would have been nice if it came with Chinglese docs  :P
[22:49] <TJ-> :)
[22:49] <TJ-> I thought they mostly were already
[22:49] <JanC> most computers come without any firmware docs at all these days
[22:49] <TJ-> right! I'm going to get to bed before midnight... 5am was bad last night!
[22:50] <TJ-> JanC: yeah, the bane of my life.
[22:50] <JanC> so Chinglese would be an improvement
[22:50] <TJ-> Luckily most UEFI is based on EDK2 so its not too difficult to infer what's what
[22:51] <JanC> TJ-: haha, sounds like we went to sleep around the same time, except, I'm 1 hour ahead of you  ;-)
[22:51] <TJ-> I waited up to see the 'supermoon' eclipse... to find fog and 10 metre visibility here
[22:52] <JanC> :)
[22:52] <JanC> or :(
[22:52] <JanC> I was reading news sites and watching a couple of episodes of Humans
[22:52] <TJ-> Night night. I'm gone.
[22:53] <JanC> slaapwel!
[23:50] <daftykins> too many cooks ~
[23:50] <wileee> a bad one at that
[23:51] <daftykins> :D
[23:51] <wileee> I had the 2x4 right above their heads