[15:00] <Laney> !dmb-ping
[15:00] <xnox> yo
[15:00] <bdmurray> hi
[15:02] <Laney> pishuilu: just checking you are here for the DMB meeting?
[15:03] <pishuilu> Laney: hi, I am here.
[15:04] <Laney> ok, we will be with you shortly
[15:04] <Laney> let's go
[15:04] <pishuilu> ok
[15:04] <Laney> #startmeeting DMB 2015-09-28
[15:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 28 15:04:26 2015 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:04] <Laney> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:04] <Laney> #subtopic bdmurray to setup a pad for the dmb to collaborate on response for noskcaj
[15:05] <Laney> any news?
[15:05] <bdmurray> I ended up creating a bzr branch
[15:05] <Laney> I missed that
[15:05] <Laney> does it have anything useful in?
[15:06] <bdmurray> I don't think so.
[15:06] <Laney> what's next then?
[15:06] <bdmurray> Nope, nothing in it.
[15:08] <bdmurray> I think "micahg to get Noskcaj feedback"
[15:08] <Laney> bit concerned that this drags on
[15:09] <bdmurray> well we could start adding our own feedback then
[15:09] <Laney> right
[15:09] <Laney> I didn't -1 the application but those who did could start to work on it...
[15:10] <Laney> xnox: that includes you
[15:11] <Laney> #subtopic Laney to start an onboarding page for new dmb members
[15:11] <Laney> I didn't do this yet :(
[15:11] <Laney> I am kind of annoyed at myself for not getting around to it
[15:11] <Laney> and I will put it on my calendar for friday afternoon
[15:12] <Laney> done
[15:12] <Laney> #action laney stop slacking and write onboarding page
[15:12] <meetingology> ACTION: laney stop slacking and write onboarding page
[15:12] <Laney> #subtopic michag to confirm if mozc packageset change happened
[15:13] <Laney> did, yes?
[15:13] <Laney> Archive Upload Rights for ubuntu-input-methods-dev: archive 'primary', package set 'input-methods' in wily
[15:13] <Laney> #subtopic michag to follow up with Unit193 about their application and a meeting date
[15:13] <Laney> NFI
[15:13] <Laney> #action michag to follow up with Unit193 about their application and a meeting date
[15:13] <meetingology> ACTION: michag to follow up with Unit193 about their application and a meeting date
[15:14] <bdmurray> I seem to recall that happening but not the outcome.
[15:16] <Laney> can't find any mail anyway
[15:16] <Laney> #topic PPU application: ShuiLu Pi for ubuntukylin-default-settings
[15:16] <Laney> pishuilu: hey, it's now your turn
[15:16] <Laney> can you introduce yourself and your application?
[15:16] <pishuilu> ok
[15:16] <Laney> #chair bdmurray
[15:16] <meetingology> Current chairs: Laney bdmurray
[15:16] <Laney> (brb)
[15:17] <pishuilu> I am a member of Ubuntu Kylin team.
[15:17] <pishuilu> I maintain ubuntukylin-default-settings package.
[15:18] <pishuilu> This package contains a number of system configurations.
[15:19] <pishuilu> For example, firefox search engine and start page, default language for installer images, fix zip fie display of garbage characters
[15:19] <pishuilu> etc
[15:20] <cyphermox> Do you have plans to start maintaining other packages in ubuntukylin, or other packages in general?
[15:20] <xnox> pishuilu: have you come across something that you wanted to customize, but it wasn't in fact customizable at all? Ie. impossible to set some kind of a setting, cause there is no such setting. And how did you resolve such requests?
[15:21] <pishuilu> cyphermox: Now I maintain ubuntukylin-default-settings and ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntukylin package
[15:22] <pishuilu> Later will also maintain other Ubuntu Kylin packages
[15:24] <bdmurray> pishuilu: Could you answer xnox's question?
[15:24] <pishuilu> xnox: Sometimes I should create a script to execute
[15:25] <pishuilu> shell script
[15:26] <pishuilu> Like fix bug LP: #1462848 (fix zip file display of garbage characters)
[15:30] <bdmurray> pishuilu: Have you followed the work in bug 1422290 which seems like it may be a proper fix?
[15:30]  * xnox ponders if my question got through
[15:30] <xnox> pishuilu: have you come across something that you wanted to customize, but it wasn't in fact customizable at all? Ie. impossible to set some kind of a setting, cause there is no such setting. And how did you resolve such requests?
[15:30] <pishuilu> cyphermox: But I can't maintain all Ubuntu Kylin packages. some packages will be maintained by other colleagues.
[15:31] <cyphermox> of course
[15:34] <bdmurray> pishuilu: have you seen the other questions asked of you by xnox and myself?
[15:34] <pishuilu> bdmurray: I don't follow  bug 1422290. I fix some questions which is not fixed by upstream. If upstream fix this bug ,I will undo this configuration.
[15:37] <pishuilu> xnox: sorry , I miss your question.
[15:37] <xnox> pishuilu: have you come across something that you wanted to customize, but it wasn't in fact customizable at all? Ie. impossible to set some kind of a setting, cause there is no such setting. And how did you resolve such requests?
[15:38] <pishuilu> ok
[15:38]  * stgraber waves (my phone lied to me)
[15:39] <pishuilu> xnox: I think if it wasn't in fact customizable at all, so this bug is not for this package.
[15:40] <pishuilu> xnox: This package function is system configuration.
[15:40] <xnox> pishuilu: so you never modified anything in ubuntu, or request to be modified in ubuntu to customize stuff??
[15:43] <pishuilu> xnox: I mean configuration is not modifying some package source.
[15:44] <pishuilu> xnox: For exmaple, replace the specific icon
[15:45] <pishuilu> configure defaults.list of applications etc.
[15:50] <bdmurray>  pishuilu: Could you comment on happyaron's caveat regarding a need "to be more careful"?
[15:51] <pishuilu> xnox: You mean that modify some package source and submit patches to upstream?
[15:52] <pishuilu> bdmurray: ok
[15:54] <pishuilu> bdmurray: happyaron's caveat mean : when I fix a bug ,I should consider a problem more comprehensively
[15:54] <bdmurray> pishuilu: And what steps are you taking to do that?
[15:57] <pishuilu> When I fix a bug , first I should think this bug's influence of the whole system
[15:58] <pishuilu> so I can consider a problem more comprehensively
[15:59] <bdmurray> Can you give us an example of how you've done that?
[16:00] <pishuilu> Details should be considered in all kinds of unexpected circumstances
[16:01] <pishuilu> For example , fix bug 1462848
[16:03] <Laney> (I have one when you're finished)
[16:03] <Laney> (then we should wrap up as we're over time already)
[16:03] <pishuilu> I didn't consider the previous zh_CN outside
[16:05] <pishuilu> Laney: I am sorry. Spent so much time !
[16:07] <Laney> It's okay
[16:07] <Laney> bdmurray: you want to ask more?
[16:07] <pishuilu> I should consider zh_CN,zh_TW,zh_HK etc.
[16:08] <bdmurray> Laney: no, that's okay
[16:09] <Laney> ty
[16:09] <Laney> pishuilu: What testing do you do on the package before asking for it to be uploaded?
[16:09] <Laney> Do you test it on a non Chinese system for example?
[16:11] <pishuilu> Laney: I test it on Chinese system.
[16:12] <pishuilu> Because Ubuntu Kylin provide for the use of Chinese users
[16:12] <Laney> I'm worried about cases where I have normal Ubuntu and Ubuntu Kylin installed at the same time
[16:12] <Laney> like if I have a Chinese friend who uses my computer
[16:13] <Laney> I don't want the Kylin settings to break anything on my account
[16:14] <pishuilu> Laney: I see what you mean
[16:16] <pishuilu> Laney: I should make some configurations  effect only in zh_CN.
[16:17] <Laney> yes, you can also look at the $DESKTOP_SESSION environment variable
[16:17] <Laney> it's also valid to be chinese and not use kylin :)
[16:18] <pishuilu> Laney:OK, I know.
[16:18] <pishuilu> Thanks.
[16:18] <Laney> ok, thanks
[16:18] <Laney> !dmb-ping
[16:18] <Laney> anyone else?
[16:18] <Laney> or vote?
[16:19] <xnox> i lost wifi
[16:19]  * xnox is back
[16:20] <Laney> hello?
[16:20] <bdmurray> I have no more questions.
[16:23] <Laney> #vote grant ShuiLu Pi upload rights for ubuntukylin-default-settings
[16:23] <meetingology> Please vote on: grant ShuiLu Pi upload rights for ubuntukylin-default-settings
[16:23] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[16:26] <xnox> +1
[16:26] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[16:27] <bdmurray> +1
[16:27] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[16:28] <Laney> +1
[16:28] <meetingology> +1 received from Laney
[16:28] <stgraber> +1 [happy to see that the package is no longer overwriting paths owned by other packages but doing clean diverts now, otherwise would have -1]
[16:28] <meetingology> +1 [happy to see that the package is no longer overwriting paths owned by other packages but doing clean diverts now, otherwise would have -1] received from stgraber
[16:29] <Laney> Would like to see a bit more consideration given to co-existing with other flavours
[16:30] <pishuilu> Laney: OK
[16:30] <Laney> and probably a review procedure
[16:30] <Laney> like, don't commit any changes without another team member approving them
[16:31] <Laney> anyway...
[16:31] <Laney> #endvote
[16:31] <meetingology> Voting ended on: grant ShuiLu Pi upload rights for ubuntukylin-default-settings
[16:31] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[16:31] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:31] <Laney> stgraber: you ok to action?
[16:31] <stgraber> sure
[16:32] <stgraber> done
[16:32] <Laney> thanks
[16:33] <Laney> pishuilu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New <- good page to read
[16:33] <Laney> and please ask if you have any questions at all
[16:33] <pishuilu> OK ,I know. Thanks very much.
[16:35] <Laney> #topic AOB
[16:36] <Laney> can all of you please respond to this old thread?
[16:36] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-August/000815.html
[16:37] <Laney> #endmeeting
[16:37] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 16:37:28 2015 UTC.
[16:37] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-09-28-15.04.moin.txt
[16:37] <Laney> cheers
[16:39] <pishuilu> Thank you, goodbye!
[16:40] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:40] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:41] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[16:41] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Sep 28 16:41:07 2015 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:41] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:41] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:42] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:42] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:42] <jdstrand> this week I'm working on snappy documentation
[16:43] <jdstrand> when helping someone with framework policy for a snap, I discovered that snappy's dbus bus policy implementation is not sufficient (not surprising, but now we have details to move forward)
[16:43] <jdstrand> I need to file a bug with ideas on how to solve that so the snappy guys can get it fixed
[16:44] <jdstrand> I have a couple of review tools issues to fix
[16:44] <jdstrand> helping the golang, juju, and lxd MIRs along
[16:44] <jdstrand> and an embargoed issue
[16:46] <jdstrand> fyi, ty hicks is out this week sprinting
[16:46] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:46] <mdeslaur> I just released nvidia drivers
[16:46] <mdeslaur> and I'm working on php5 updates
[16:46] <mdeslaur> I have a few other updates to test
[16:46] <mdeslaur> and that's probably it for this week, as I'm on vacation for the next two weeks
[16:47] <mdeslaur> that's it from me, sbeattie
[16:47] <sbeattie> mdeslaur: nice!
[16:47] <sbeattie> I'm covering community for ty hicks this week while he's sprinting
[16:47] <sarnold> mdeslaur: nice :)
[16:47] <sbeattie> I have an embargoed issue this week
[16:48] <sbeattie> I'm also working on gcc-5 pie stuff
[16:48] <sbeattie> I have some outstanding apparmor patches to review.
[16:48] <sbeattie> that's pretty much my week.
[16:49] <sbeattie> jjohansen: I think you're up?
[16:49] <jjohansen> I am working on breaking the world
[16:50] <jdstrand> sbeattie: how close are we to putting gcc-5 pie to done?
[16:50] <jjohansen> that is kernel work on stacking and its related items
[16:51] <jjohansen> I have some bug fixes to pull together too, that need to get pushed out to various kernels
[16:51] <jdstrand> jjohansen: after the meeting can we sync super quick on that?
[16:51] <jjohansen> jdstrand: sure
[16:53] <jjohansen> should I pause for sbeattie, or just poke sarnold
[16:53] <jdstrand> I think moving ahead is fine
[16:53] <sarnold> I'm on bug  triage this week and working on the lxd MIR
[16:54] <sarnold> I'll try to poke at some apparmor patches for a change of pace
[16:54] <sarnold> I think that's it for me, chrisccoulson?
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> I shall be doing a thunderbird update this week. That's the only planned update I have :)
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> So I'll be hoping to make some progress on Oxide (I investigated some memory use issues last  week, and have just finished adding support for HTML notifications)
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> I would like to start figuring out what https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oxide/+spec/site-settings is going to look like
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> I think that's me done
[16:58] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:59] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:59] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:59] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/jabberd2.html
[16:59] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/revelation.html
[16:59] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/c-icap.html
[16:59] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/iscsitarget.html
[16:59] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/tpp.html
[17:00] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:00] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:03] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold and chrisccoulson: thanks!
[17:04] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Sep 28 17:04:01 2015 UTC.
[17:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-09-28-16.41.moin.txt
[17:04] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand
[17:04] <jjohansen> tanks jdstrand
[17:05] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[17:05] <sbeattie> thanks jdstrand