[02:36] <hypermist> well ubuntu-touch offically froze my nexus 4
[02:46] <hypermist> Greaat so adb doesnt detect my phone
[02:46] <hypermist> can't power off or anything
[02:46] <hypermist> YAY
[02:47] <hypermist> well that was luck
[02:47] <hypermist> thanks google
[02:48] <hypermist> xD
[03:36] <hypermist> Adb. or fastboot wont detect
[03:37] <hypermist> nvm
[05:57] <tathhu_> ... something like that happened on my n7 yesterday
[05:59] <hypermist> tathhu_, yea i changed back to android now
[05:59] <hypermist> xD
[05:59] <hypermist> I only lasted 24hrs with ubuntu-touch xD
[05:59] <tathhu_> lol
[05:59] <hypermist> its a nice feel
[05:59] <tathhu_> it froze, hold power n secs, rebooted and now it seems to works
[06:00] <hypermist> yea
[06:00] <hypermist> Funny thing is though
[06:00] <hypermist> The automatic brightness control was still working
[06:01] <tathhu_> I was on lock screen and clock just updated
[06:01] <tathhu_> lololo
[06:01]  * tathhu_ afks for a while, school ->
[06:35] <guest42315> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> good morning
[06:58] <hypermist> if i pulled my phone out in class if i were at school tathhu_ i'd be insta snapped and i probalby wouldn't hand it over and end up being sent to the principle
[06:58] <hypermist> xD
[07:02] <dholbach> good morning
[07:03] <hypermist> afternoon dholbach :P
[07:03] <dholbach> hi hypermist
[07:04] <hypermist> how is you
[07:05] <dholbach> good good, how about yourself?
[07:05] <hypermist> Doing reasonably good thanks for asking ;)
[07:06] <dholbach> :)
[08:01] <guest42315> ogra_, do you know what they  are talking about? https://www.glasswall.nl/ubuntu-phone-security-we-zijn-er-nog-niet/
[08:04] <nhaines> I thought the browser was unconfined.
[08:05] <Stanley00> and... the got a bug report about that browser permission too
[08:05] <Stanley00> s/the got/we had/
[08:17] <ogra_> guest42315, well,  apps cant look at anything outside of their work environment, the browser is an exception because it supports the file:// protocol and runs unconfined ... any app from the sotre cant do that
[08:17] <ogra_> *store
[08:18] <guest42315> ogra_, thanks :D
[08:18] <ogra_> guest42315, for that particular issue they describe there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/webbrowser-app/+bug/1393515
[08:19] <ogra_> so yes, they are right ... but only for the browser (and indeed the phone needs to be handed unlocked by you to the hacker
[08:19] <ogra_> )
[08:19] <nhaines> Diabolical!
[08:20] <guest42315> i am not giving my phone to anyone!
[08:21] <guest42315> :D
[08:23] <Stanley00> well, but I have my phone allows access via adb even in locked state... <= I will have to set this config back after I finish with the keyboard layout :(
[08:24] <Stanley00> by the way, do I need to fire a bug report to add a new keyboard layout, or just a merge request is enough?
[08:29] <_morphis> rsalveti: ping
[08:32] <ogra_> Stanley00, if you want it secure, yes, you should switch that back ... why not use ssh instead ? it only allows key auth so nobody who doesnt have your key can in ... locked or unlocked
[08:32] <ogra_> *can get in
[08:33] <Stanley00> ogra_: oh, I don't know about that ssh thing. Thanks for the hint, I'll look for it now :3
[08:34] <ogra_> android-gadget-service enable ssh
[08:35] <ogra_> then copy your .pub key in place in /home/phablet/.ssh via adb (make sure the permissions are correct for the file and dir) and then you can use ssh
[08:35] <ogra_> (and disable unlocked adb access)
[08:35] <Stanley00> ogra_: yeah, thank you very much.
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Drink Beer Day! 😃
[09:03] <ogra_> isnt that every day ?
[10:18] <ogra_> dbarth, oSoMoN, are there plans to make tabs closeable again in the browser ? since you guys moved the tab close button to the other side i need like ten attaemps to get a tab closed
[10:19] <ogra_> *attempts
[10:19] <ogra_> the active area of the close button seems to be really tiny now
[10:19] <jibel> ogra_, bug 1500339
[10:20] <ogra_> perfect
[10:20]  * ogra_ me-too's
[10:20] <ogra_> super annoying if you play a game that has ads inbetween
[10:20] <ogra_> (and accidentially tap the ad)
[10:21] <ogra_> hah, and such a simple fix
[10:27] <hypermist> I changed back to android and it nearly failed so hard. today cause i thought i lost my backup of my bitcoin wallet stuff
[10:27] <hypermist> :(
[10:35] <dbarth> nice fix indeed; we can problably test and land as-is; oSoMoN ^^
[10:39] <oSoMoN> dbarth, will test and land soon, yes
[10:55] <lesamourai> clues on daemonising an app in ubuntu touch or a non GUI app?
[10:57] <ogra_> not via an officially confined app from the store
[10:57] <ogra_> you can build an unconfined app for your personal use that you can sideload via adb ... with that iit might be possible
[10:57] <lesamourai> hello ogra_ , app is running in unconfined mode
[10:59] <ogra_> but if you do that anyway you could as well just have a script that gets started via a session service
[10:59] <ogra_> no need to roll an actual app for it
[10:59] <Mirv> ogra_: hmm, where does the /etc/environment come from on touch, it wasn't lxc-android-config?
[11:00] <lesamourai> sorry im not aware of making it work through a script
[11:00] <ogra_> Mirv, thats a leftover from the OEM team hackage in live-build/livecd-rootfs
[11:00] <lesamourai> basically im building a client server app
[11:01] <ogra_> lesamourai, you put the binary somewhere into /home/phabllet and create an upstart job for it that you put into /home/phablet/.init or so
[11:01] <Mirv> ogra_: thanks, I see it's still being hacked/updated
[11:01] <ogra_> (not sure thats the right location you have to read up about it)
[11:02] <lesamourai> i see , thanks , and also thanks for tips you gave other day about that shell scripting it pretty much solved the issue
[11:02] <ogra_> Mirv, yes, it should be completely empty except for PATH ... but someone needs to test each of these options to see if they can be dropped or need to be moved
[11:02] <ogra_> thats a little time consuming, which is why nobdy ever did that cleanup yet
[11:02] <Mirv> ogra_: I'm just planning to add a new one ;)
[11:02] <ogra_> NO !
[11:02] <ogra_> definitely not
[11:03] <Mirv> hehe, ok. where would one set for example the existing QT_SELECT in the future?
[11:03] <ogra_> Mirv, isnt that enough in the session ?
[11:03] <ogra_> add it to /etc/profile.d then
[11:03] <ogra_> there is some Qt stuff already
[11:04] <ogra_> (and ubuntu-touch-session sources it)
[11:04] <Mirv> ogra_: it might be so. thanks for keeping the line on sanity!
[11:04] <ogra_> /etc/environment is definitely the wrong place
[11:07] <ogra_> Mirv, hmm i thought we have a bug open about it but i cant find one
[11:07] <ogra_> (about cleaning up the file)
[11:07] <ogra_> perhaps worth filing a new one and pointing pmcgowan to it for his collection
[11:10] <lesamourai> ogra_ , non GUI app is possible , on touch?
[11:10] <ogra_> not via the store
[11:10] <lesamourai> i mmean in unconfined mode
[11:10] <ogra_> you can indeed run scripts etc from commandline
[11:11] <ogra_> and you could as well package that in a click package ...
[11:11] <ogra_> but you wouldnt be able to start it from a .desktop file or so
[11:12] <ogra_> that would have to happen from a script you run from the terminal or adb or ssh
[11:12] <ogra_> which makes having a click package rather useless ...
[11:12] <ogra_> so you could as well just use a tarball
[11:12] <Mirv> ogra_: filed
[11:12] <ogra_> thx
[11:13] <lesamourai> thought touch only supports click installer
[11:13] <ogra_> Mirv, i guess that requires some joined effort from QA and whoever will remove the hack to make sure dropping the mess doesnt cause regressions
[11:14] <ogra_> lesamourai, well, via adb, ssh or the terminal-app it is a normal ubuntu
[11:14] <ogra_> you wouldnt be able to do it via any official way ...
[11:14] <lesamourai> ohk , i will look them up
[11:15] <ogra_> yes, officially only click packages are supported
[11:15] <lesamourai> since app is using dbus , official way seems impossible
[11:16] <ogra_> well, apps can use dbus i think ... for services that are in the rootfs
[11:16] <lesamourai> and last issue ( hopefully) im stuck is running server part as a daemon or  gui less background process :)
[11:16] <ogra_> i.e. client side shoudl always work
[11:16] <lesamourai> i need to register my own service as well..
[11:16] <ogra_> you are not able to add a new service though
[11:16] <lesamourai> client side is np
[11:17] <lesamourai> yep , thats why unconfined mode comes to rescue
[11:17] <ogra_> not really, since no official packaging mechanism could install your service
[11:17] <ogra_> it would have to be included in the rootfs by default to have it officially available
[11:18] <lesamourai> i will look up for rootfs
[11:18] <ogra_> (and note that we dont allow long running daemons there without a very valid reason (since it drains your battery) .... it should be activated by the dbus call only
[11:19] <lesamourai> i see
[12:27] <maggots> any cool console apps that are useful that i could install?
[12:31] <jgdx> !faq
[12:31] <jgdx> maggots, clickapps are graphical apps, so not really.
[12:32] <maggots> well i reflashed the phone in write mode so regular console apps
[12:33] <tathhu> moo :P
[12:33] <tathhu> ... eh no
[12:33] <tathhu> nvm :P
[12:41] <maggots> is it a big job to re flash the phone?
[13:15] <akik> hi. i've got the meizu mx4 ubuntu edition. anybody have news when it's getting the convergence mode?
[13:15] <popey> akik: it isn't.
[13:15] <popey> AIUI
[13:16] <akik> why?
[13:16] <popey> I don't believe the hardware is capable.
[13:16] <akik> what's missing?
[13:16]  * ogra_ thinks the hardware is ... but the driver isnt
[13:16] <akik> i can't believe i spent 300 euros for it
[13:18] <pp__> Hello everybody
[13:19] <pp__> May anybody help me?
[13:19] <ogra_> how would anybody know ?
[13:19] <guest42315> akik, lucky you, it's sold out now... you can't even buy one
[13:19] <pp__> I would like to create an emulator in devel
[13:19] <pp__> unfortunatly after booting the new device
[13:19] <akik> guest42315: a friend got me the permission slip utilizing chrome's incognito windows
[13:20] <pp__> the sdk can not connect to it
[13:20] <ogra_> akik, permission slip ??
[13:20] <pp__> how to solve this?
[13:20] <akik> ogra_: the origami wall
[13:20] <guest42315> ah, yeah! i remember the wall game
[13:20] <ogra_> pp__, try #ubuntu-app-devel,  there are more SDK guys
[13:21] <pp__> ty ogra
[13:21] <pp__> for your nice help
[13:21] <ogra_> akik, ah, that was only for the first few weeks
[13:21] <pp__> I try
[13:21] <guest42315> akik, that was months ago, right?
[13:21] <akik> guest42315: yes
[13:21] <guest42315> akik, so how do you like the mx4?
[13:21] <akik> guest42315: well it's just a phone now. i bought it mainly because of convergence
[13:22] <ogra_> it was never promoted as convergence device
[13:22] <ogra_> in fact it was clearly said it would likely not ever get convergence mode
[13:22] <ogra_> what made you think it would ?
[13:22]  * guest42315 waiting for OTA7 :D
[13:22] <akik> because it is 2015 :)
[13:22] <ogra_> well, that doesnt make the HW or drivers any better :)
[13:23] <akik> so what hw feature is missing from mx4 ?
[13:23] <ogra_> a convergence device is announced for end of year,/ early next year
[13:23] <ogra_> display output to an external display
[13:24] <akik> it's got mhl tv-out
[13:24] <ogra_> i also doubt you would be happy with a 16G device for convergence
[13:24] <ogra_> the HW has
[13:24] <ogra_> the driver doesnt support it
[13:24] <akik> oh mi god. it's linux
[13:24] <guest42315> and the driver is closed source, right?
[13:24] <ogra_> the driver is closed source
[13:24] <guest42315> ewww
[13:24] <guest42315> EWWWW
[13:24] <akik> :( i feel like crying
[13:24] <ogra_> worse than nvidiaon desktops
[13:25] <ogra_> ( you wont find usable open drivers for phones)
[13:25] <akik> 16 gigs storage is just fine. it's not a deal breaker. missing hw support is
[13:26] <ogra_> well, if 8G would be taken by the OS, 16G is small :)
[13:26] <ogra_> the converged image will likely have a bigger footprint
[13:26] <akik> ogra_: you know, i mostly use a terminal and web browser
[13:26] <guest42315> 99.99% of the time
[13:30] <akik> i was at nokia when n900 came out in 2009
[13:30] <akik> that's 6 years ago
[13:31] <akik> cpu ti omap 3430 600 MHz
[13:33] <ogra_> that was an awesome device ... yet it also had to use closed source drivers for nearly everything
[13:33] <guest42315> ogra_,  uh :| so, woke up the phone, in network the wifi is on, and it's telling me that i'm connected to my router but the indicator is no signal and g+ does not load
[13:33]  * ogra_ has one collecting dust sitting on a shelf here ... got it in amsterdam 
[13:34] <guest42315> ogra_, i've tried tapping the wifi connection twice, still nothing
[13:34] <ogra_> (when nokia gave them for free to devs)
[13:34] <ogra_> guest42315, sounds liek a bug
[13:35] <guest42315> ogra_, yep, woa.. and now it can't find my router :D
[13:35] <guest42315> probably turnning off and then on wifi will fix it
[13:35] <guest42315> let's try
[13:35] <ogra_> wait for awe ... i bet there is a bug open about that
[13:36] <guest42315> ogra_, thanks :D
[13:36] <abeato> jhodapp, conflict fixed
[13:36] <jhodapp> abeato, cool thanks
[13:36] <abeato> np
[13:37] <ogra_> abeato, you diplomat you :)
[13:37] <guest42315> ogra_,  btw.. turning it off and on again didn't work
[13:37] <guest42315> ogra_,  awe_ i can adb into it and look for stuff if you tell me where
[13:37] <guest42315> else i'm gonna restart the phone
[13:37] <guest42315> ;D
[13:38] <ogra_> well, perhaps tell awe_ about your prob first :)
[13:38]  * ogra_ doesnt work on the phone anymore 
[13:38] <tathhu> still not thursday :(
[13:38] <guest42315> :(
[13:39] <tathhu> but soon!
[13:39] <guest42315> awe_, o, woke up the phone, in network the wifi is on, and it's telling me that i'm connected to my router but the indicator is no signal and g+ does not load, i've tried tapping the wifi connection twice, still nothing
[13:39] <guest42315> awe_, turning the wifi off and on again does nothing
[13:39] <guest42315> awe_, mx4 ota6
[13:39] <abeato> ogra_, :P
[13:40] <awe_> guest42315, any non-std software installed?
[13:40] <guest42315> this will be my 3 restart today, it locked up/self restarted (unity?) twice before todat
[13:40] <guest42315> today
[13:40] <guest42315> awe_, nope
[13:40] <awe_> ( ie. did you make the phone writable? )
[13:40] <awe_> k
[13:41] <guest42315> awe_, i just have the open store
[13:41] <awe_> can you run a few commands for me?
[13:41] <guest42315> is that non standard?
[13:41] <awe_> welll... ogra_^^?
[13:41] <guest42315> and from open store i have tweak geek
[13:41] <awe_> ogra_, does the open store require writable permissing?
[13:41] <awe_> hmmm
[13:42] <ogra_> awe_, no idea, i never used it, thats a mzanetti toy
[13:42] <awe_> no guarantees with tweak-geek installed.  From what I know, that works around certain touch policies, and therefore *could* interefere with networking.
[13:42] <guest42315> i don't think it does mzanetti
[13:43] <guest42315> awe_, i just use that to go into windowed mode, because i'm too lazy to write stuff in the terminal
[13:43] <awe_> ok
[13:44] <awe_> if you go to system settings / WiFi
[13:44] <awe_> can you find your AP in the list?
[13:44] <awe_> Is it checked?
[13:44] <guest42315> yep, wifi on
[13:45] <guest42315> and it doesn't show my router
[13:45] <guest42315> it shows me that i'm connected to a random dlink router
[13:45] <guest42315> now i can see mine
[13:45] <guest42315> and is gone again
[13:46] <guest42315> it just pops in and out
[13:46] <awe_> is the random dlink router secure?
[13:46] <awe_> ( ie. is there a lock icon present? )
[13:46] <guest42315> awe_, yep
[13:46] <awe_> hmmm, and you don't recall every typing in the pw?
[13:46] <guest42315> and now the list is empty
[13:46] <guest42315> usually there are at least 6 router there
[13:47] <awe_> this is system-settings, correct?
[13:47] <guest42315> system settings \ wi-fi
[13:47] <awe_> If it showed dlink as connected, what you need to do is make the device forget that AP
[13:48] <awe_> so if you see the dlink AP come up again, click the arrow next to it, and then click the "forget" button
[13:48] <guest42315> awe_, i can restart the phone and it will probably fix it :D
[13:48] <awe_> not is there's a connection
[13:48] <awe_> s/is/if/
[13:48] <awe_> another thing you can do to manually get rid of it
[13:49] <guest42315> ok, clicked on forget this network, and now the list is empty again :D
[13:49] <awe_> is cd /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections as root, and rm the associated connection file
[13:49] <guest42315> and now i have a tenda and ubuntu :D
[13:49] <awe_> but you probably want to stop network-manager first
[13:49] <awe_> then start it again
[13:49] <guest42315> awe_, i don't want to fix it :D a restart will do that
[13:50] <guest42315> awe_,  hm.. let's restart
[13:50] <awe_> can you please check system-connections first?
[13:51] <awe_> If you have a bad connection file in there, it's always going to try to re-connect to that AP
[13:51] <awe_> and will cause problems
[13:51] <guest42315> rebooted :(
[13:51] <awe_> well check after it restarts
[13:51] <guest42315> ok
[13:52] <awe_> also, please check /var/crash to see if there's any NM crash files present
[13:52] <guest42315> awe_, hm.. restarting didn't fix it :\
[13:52] <guest42315> ok.. lemme connect to the desktop
[13:52] <awe_> guest42315, please try my suggestions then
[13:53] <awe_> I have a mtg in 5m, so will be unavailable for awhile
[13:53] <guest42315> awe_, i'm trying right now, just a sec to connect the cable
[13:56] <guest42315> awe_, /var/crash http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12602769/
[13:56] <guest42315> i don't see any nm crash files
[13:57] <awe_> yea, but plenty of other crash files...  ;(-
[13:57] <guest42315> it usually crashes 2 or 3 times / day :D
[13:57] <guest42315> mx4 ota6
[13:57] <guest42315> i got used to :D
[13:57] <guest42315> hehe
[13:58] <rsalveti> morphis: pong
[13:58] <awe_> well... I'd recommend uninstalling tweak geek and see if your phone fixes itself.  Anyways, I have to jump into a mtg now
[13:59]  * awe_ falls over
[13:59] <guest42315> awe_, thank :D go
[13:59] <awe_> it's rsalveti!  w00t!
[13:59]  * ogra_ quickly shoves a pillow under awe_ 
[14:00] <tathhu> anyone can pop bug report about rando mfreezes on bq devices? (random aand gotta reboot)
[14:00] <guest42315> rm * in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections as root
[14:00] <guest42315> now
[14:00] <rsalveti> awe_: hey hey :-)
[14:00] <guest42315> ok, all clean
[14:00] <ogra_> awe_, he's a top manager now !
[14:01] <guest42315> still can't see my router :D
[14:01] <guest42315> pff :(
[14:04] <pixel_> ogra_, yay! restarted the phone and the router and now wifi works again
[14:04] <tathhu> \o/
[14:05] <pixel_> now i'm wondering what fixed it? the router or the phone restart :))
[14:05] <ogra_> well, if you'd done proper debugging you would only have restarted one of them at a time :)
[14:05] <ogra_> ... next time then
[14:05] <tathhu> :D
[14:05] <pixel_> ogra_, :D haha yes :D
[14:05] <pixel_> noted :D
[14:05] <abeato> xavigarcia, indicator-sound and media-hub updated in silo 55
[14:06] <xavigarcia> abeato: cool, thanks!
[14:06] <abeato> np
[14:10] <mterry> oSoMoN, re: bug 1500444.  my setting is fine -- it should be saving the session.  My session.json file does seem to be stuck at the old session that wasn't restored correctly.  So I guess it is corrupted somehow.  I could send it to you, but would want to know exactly what is in the savedState base64 field, before I can tell how sensitive the data is  :)
[14:12] <oSoMoN> mterry, savedState contains a (base64-encoded) binary state of the page, that includes form data, current scroll offsets, navigation (back/forward) history, and maybe other things, so it is potentially sensitive
[14:12] <xavigarcia> abeato: I've tested it and seems to be OK now...
[14:12] <mterry> oSoMoN, yeah...  I had a lastpass vault open.  So maybe too sensitive to hand around.  Can I help figure this out another way?
[14:12] <mterry> oSoMoN, I will point out that this was the session that was open when I rebooted
[14:12] <mterry> Don't know if that's a clue
[14:13] <abeato> xavigarcia, good, but I guess we need to address/explain the other 2 issuesç
[14:13] <abeato> jhodapp, have you seen rvr's comments in https://trello.com/c/BWPvIkY7/2276-269-ubuntu-landing-055-qtubuntu-media-media-hub-jhodapp ?
[14:13] <abeato> jhodapp, there are 3 issues mentioned, the first one is solved now in indicator-sound
[14:13] <jhodapp> no
[14:14] <abeato> the second might be music-app
[14:14] <abeato> the third is a design issue according to xavigarcia
[14:14] <oSoMoN> mterry, you’d need to instrument the code that loads the last session, see where it blows up, the entry point is there: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~phablet-team/webbrowser-app/trunk/view/head:/src/app/webbrowser/Browser.qml#L1383
[14:15] <jhodapp> abeato, yes indeed, and #2 is how the current app chooses to handle hitting the start of the tracklist or the end of the tracklist
[14:15] <xavigarcia> abeato: I think the 3rd is just a known issue, as the media role changes when the music is paused
[14:15] <oSoMoN> mterry, it would also be interesting to see if it fails with a trimmed session.json file where the savedState blobs are removed
[14:15] <oSoMoN> mterry, if it does, then you could hand me the trimmed file, with no sensitive data
[14:15] <mterry> oSoMoN, ok, will experiment
[14:16] <abeato> jhodapp, xavigarcia, so
[14:16] <oSoMoN> thanks
[14:16] <xavigarcia> abeato: it happens any time the audio role changes, (for example at the end of a playlist.... the music stops and the role changes back to ringtone)
[14:16] <jhodapp> xavigarcia, yes, that's how it's supposed to work
[14:16] <jhodapp> at least by design
[14:16] <abeato> jhodapp, xavigarcia, I see, so what do we do with the silo? is it good enough? do we need to land music-app at the same time?
[14:16] <xavigarcia> jhodapp: yup
[14:17] <jhodapp> abeato, we can't land music-app at the same time...there's a lot of other things that need work both in music-app and media-hub
[14:17] <mterry> oSoMoN, ah...  the lock file was still there
[14:17] <mterry> oSoMoN, moving the lock file out of the way fixed it
[14:17] <jhodapp> abeato, we might be able to get the music-app guys to release a new version that just handles the end of tracklist/beginning of tracklist better
[14:18] <oSoMoN> mterry, interesting, that would be a bug in QLockFile, it should have discarded the stale lock
[14:18] <abeato> popey, jhodapp who can be ping about music-app?
[14:18] <jhodapp> abeato, ahayzen
[14:18] <jhodapp> or victorp
[14:19] <jhodapp> err, victor
[14:19] <jhodapp> t
[14:19] <popey> abeato: what do you need?
[14:20] <jhodapp> popey, music-app to handle the second point made by vruiz here: https://trello.com/c/BWPvIkY7/2276-269-ubuntu-landing-055-qtubuntu-media-media-hub-jhodapp
[14:21] <popey> which build of music did they use?
[14:21] <jhodapp> popey, not sure the specific version, but should be the latest stable version
[14:21] <popey> is https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xzI4D6knVJ6VmXxqJ2gyGSMowbtVVoNPgQl1fywim_U/edit up to date (not touched since sept 11)
[14:23] <jhodapp> popey, #4 is probably fixed now
[14:23] <jhodapp> popey, so mostly up to date, but definitely needs some updating
[14:23] <mterry> oSoMoN, maybe because the pid listed in the lockfile is an actual process upon the reboot?  (an indicator-printers-service process)
[14:23] <jhodapp> popey, but that's using the development version of music-app that is using background playlists
[14:24] <mterry> oSoMoN, oh wait, I see it saves the process name
[14:24] <oSoMoN> mterry, I don’t remember the internals of QLockFile
[14:24] <popey> abeato: can you file a bug in lp:music-app ?
[14:24] <popey> I'll point the guys at it (and they'll see the bug mail)
[14:25] <akik> still hope for meizu mx4? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvEWAz-iFfg "it's a good demonstration of convergence"
[14:25] <abeato> popey, sure
[14:25] <jhodapp> popey, have you seen ahayzen since he started back to university?
[14:26] <popey> jhodapp: yup, we spoke on friday.
[14:26] <popey> I said I'd pounce on you today :)
[14:26] <jhodapp> popey, ha!
[14:26] <jhodapp> popey, cool, I'm sure I'll catch him online soon then and will discuss this with him
[14:27] <popey> jhodapp: lets pounce on him when he's around
[14:27] <jhodapp> popey, sounds good
[14:27] <abeato> jhodapp, popey https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1500457
[14:27] <popey> thanks abeato
[14:28] <jhodapp> thanks abeato
[14:30] <oSoMoN> where does the code for the video scope live?
[14:33] <jhodapp> oSoMoN, check with dednick on that
[14:34] <dednick> oSoMoN: what part of the video scope? the content of the UI?
[14:36] <oSoMoN> dednick, I want to know with which URL the scope invokes the browser when opening a popular youtube video
[14:37] <dednick> tsdgeos: ^
[14:38] <tsdgeos> pstolowski: that's probably you right? ↑↑
[14:38] <davidcalle> oSoMoN, https://code.launchpad.net/unity-scope-youtube
[14:39] <davidcalle> (oSoMoN, there are several Youtube scopes on launchpad, this is the one used on Unity8)
[14:39] <jhodapp> abeato, reviewed the MR, some comments
[14:39] <oSoMoN> davidcalle, thanks!
[14:40] <davidcalle> oSoMoN, np
[14:40] <abeato> jhodapp, ok, taking a look
[14:41] <davidcalle> oSoMoN, and to answer your question directly, it's using "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=" + id
[14:48] <pstolowski> oSoMoN, lemme check
[14:49] <pstolowski> oSoMoN, ah, davidcalle already replied
[14:56] <mterry> oSoMoN, indeed, seems a bug in QLockFile.  The unix implementation of QLockFilePrivate::isApparentlyStale() does not use the appname information at all -- merely checks if the pid exists
[14:59] <tsdgeos> mterry: it does, maybe not in our version?
[15:01] <tsdgeos> at least 5.6 uses appname in there
[15:02] <mterry> tsdgeos, indeed
[15:16] <mterry> oSoMoN, this stale lock issue would affect the phone too, eh?  Not just the desktop
[15:16] <oSoMoN> mterry, most probably yes
[15:16] <mterry> oSoMoN, ick.  That might be worth backporting then
[15:17] <mterry> oSoMoN, there's a patch sitting in qt, doesn't seem too gross
[15:19] <oSoMoN> mterry, agreed
[16:23] <gerlowskija> Hi all, quick question about Ubuntu Touch perf.  I'll occasionally see some solid lag when unlocking my phone and doing other various tasks.  I'm familiar with the process for reporting bugs in core-apps and other parts of the OS, but I'm not aware of anywhere to go to discuss/help with perf issues.  Is there any place I should be looking?  I'm more than willing to report issues when I see see them, gather logs, etc, but I'm not sure w
[16:23] <gerlowskija> here to go.  Does anyone have any pointers/suggestions?
[16:31] <morphis> rsalveti: sorry for the late re-ping
[16:32] <morphis> rsalveti: wanted to check with you on how the audio routing is implemented in touch for HFP
[16:32] <morphis> I am coming along with porting that to bluez5 but just want to recap if you have a short moment if I got things right
[17:01] <jgdx> gerlowskija, it's a known issue, if I'm not mistaken.
[17:02] <jgdx> gerlowskija, if I
[17:03] <jgdx> gerlowskija, if I'm not, it's bug 1480877 and will be fixed in OTA7 (next major update).
[17:11] <taiebot> Waouh you guys are going to be busy or is it just a redesign of the first set up of the phone ? http://design.canonical.com/2015/09/why-the-first-impression-matters/
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/more-ubuntu-phones-coming-soon-says-official-site-492973.shtml
[17:20] <gerlowskija> Ok, thanks jgdx.  If a similar perf issue crops up in the future, is there anywhere particular to report it, or do I have to actually know the package responsible to report/discuss the bug?  (The bug you mentioned above it tied to network-manager and dbus at least).
[17:27] <dobey> so much white
[17:28] <dobey> gerlowskija: to know exactly which package to report against, you'd need to do a little debugging and find out what is causing the issue; ie, is something using 100+% CPU, is something flooding dbus, etc…
[17:29] <pixel_> gerlowskija, https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image
[17:40] <taiebot> awe_ Sorry to bother you. Any progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1323837  ? Just coming back from holidays abroad and due to the above did not have any network.
[17:40] <awe_> taiebot, we have no plans currently to support SIM toolkit
[17:40] <awe_> what phone are you using? BQ?
[17:41] <awe_> also next time you go abroad, you should consider purchasing a local SIM
[17:42] <taiebot> awe_ nexus 4 well that is bad that means UT will depend completely of the network carrier.
[17:43] <awe_> taiebot, patches are always welcome
[17:43] <awe_> ;)-
[17:43] <awe_> that said, SIM toolkit requires UI work, and that's not my area
[17:44] <awe_> if you really want SIM toolkit, you need to convince our product team of the need.  There's not much I can do about it
[17:44] <taiebot> awe_ who is the product team
[17:45] <awe_> the people at Canonical who make decisions about the product
[17:45] <awe_> feel free to start an email thread
[17:45] <awe_> on the mailing list
[17:45] <taiebot> awe_ it was done a year ago and bumped it 3month ago with no reply
[17:46] <awe_> taiebot, that's probably because nobody else has asked for it
[17:46] <awe_> it actually is pretty old-school tech
[17:46] <awe_> and therefore hasn't been considered critical to the product.  If it was, we'd probably head about it from Meizu or BQ
[17:46] <awe_> but we haven't
[17:46] <awe_> I'm sorry, but as mentioned there's not much I can do about it
[17:49] <taiebot> awe_ I understand will try to convince more people to make this happens. :-D
[17:52] <taiebot> awe_ thank you for your answers
[17:54] <awe_> taiebot, your welcome
[18:16] <Kinoko> Is posible to the ubuntu adms change my user@id: from my phone remotely?
[18:17] <ogra_> you mean your PIN ?
[18:17] <Kinoko> I am curious about that. Seriously
[18:17] <Kinoko> ogra_: no, my user@id linux terminal
[18:17] <ogra_> the user account is hardoded .... the user is "phablet" everywhere
[18:18] <ogra_> and no, there is no way ro change that remotely :)
[18:18] <ogra_> *to
[18:18] <ogra_> (well, technically there probably would be with a lot of scriptery ... but that doesnt exist)
[18:19] <Kinoko> ogra_; no way? How my user@host: changed 3 times in 2 days without usermod or some another app?
[18:19] <ogra_> given that a lot on the phone is bound to that phablet user, a lot would break if that would be changed
[18:21] <ogra_> (it is still not clear to me what you mean by user@host ... the "phablet@localhost" you see in the terminal app or via adb or ssh ??)
[18:22] <ogra_> (or rather phablet@ubuntu-phablet)
[18:23] <Kinoko> ogra_: today is my bizarre user@id
[18:24] <Kinoko> ogra_: today is my bizarre user@id
[18:24]  * ogra_ doesnt really get what you mean ... there is only one user on the pühone that is called phablet, and the password DB is readonly 
[18:24] <ogra_> (and neither adduser nor any other tool work with that setup currently)
[18:25] <Kinoko> ogra_: today is my bizarre user@id
[18:25]  * ogra_ gives up
[18:26] <tathhu> ogra_, <3
[18:26] <tathhu> :P
[18:26] <Kinoko> ogra_: i really don't understand
[18:26] <ogra_> Kinoko, i dont understand what you mean by user@host
[18:27] <ogra_> there is exactly one user on an ubuntu phone ... and that user is called pahblet ...
[18:27] <Kinoko> This id is the third. Changed alone without advice
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> Kinoko: maybe you should explain wich device and Os your on
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> Kinoko: wnad what your trying to do with this
[18:28] <Kinoko> ogra_: if i becxame root? Mi id change or not?
[18:28] <ogra_> Kinoko, on the ubuntu  phone ?
[18:29] <Kinoko> ogra_: yes...
[18:29] <ogra_> sure, if you do something like "sudo -s" or "sudo -i" it prints root@ubuntu-phablet at the terminal prompt
[18:30] <ogra_> but generally that should just be ohablet@
[18:30] <ogra_> err
[18:30] <ogra_> phablet@
[18:30] <ogra_> and there are no other users
[18:30] <ogra_> and since the filesystem is readonly the password db cant just change back and forth
[18:31] <Kinoko> ogra_: ok. Now i will change the phone to android. What you think?
[18:31] <ogra_> ??
[18:31] <tathhu> whaaaaat is going on
[18:31] <ogra_> yu mean you want to flash android on your ubuntu phone ?
[18:32]  * ogra_ wonders if Kinoko is a bot or just badly trying to troll ... or simply not capable of getting across what he meaans 
[18:32] <Kinoko> ogra_: is posible to someone hack ubuntu phone ontheair amd change the whoami name?
[18:32] <ogra_> no
[18:33] <ogra_> not if you didnt tinker with the phone
[18:33] <ogra_> if you made it writable, installed stuff on the commandline or some such, then no guarantees ... a default ubuntu phone is secure
[18:34] <Kinoko> ogra_: thanks. Now change to android. Is posible to someone hack android ontheair for change the whoami name?
[18:34] <ogra_> no idea
[18:34] <ogra_> probably ...
[18:34] <ogra_> androids security model isnt so particulary safe
[18:34] <jgdx> java!1
[18:35] <ogra_> well, not necessarily java ... simply the fact that any app can access any data
[18:35] <jgdx> java applets!
[18:35] <ogra_> but java adds to that indeed ;)
[18:35] <Kinoko> ogra_: i prove. That. My name from qhoami was changed 3 times in 2 days without any installed tool to do that on android...
[18:35] <jgdx> ogra_, that's true?
[18:36] <jgdx> ogra_, app A can read from app B's files?
[18:36] <ogra_> i think so ... how else would an app be able to read your addressbook :)
[18:36] <ogra_> without you knowing
[18:36] <ogra_> or to track your location
[18:36] <dobey> Kinoko: you are going to have to more explicitly state exactly what your problem is
[18:37] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ whoami
[18:37] <ogra_> phablet
[18:37] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$
[18:37] <dobey> your whoami isn't going to change unless you explicitly broke something
[18:37] <ogra_> ^^^^ that hasnt changed since i started using this phone about a year ago
[18:37] <tathhu> phabletception
[18:37] <Kinoko> dobey: is a simple question about remote exploits in ubuntu if someday i buy one
[18:38] <ogra_> tathhu, we definitely need to add more layers of phablet :)
[18:38] <dobey> Kinoko: no, your question was not simple. you stated that your whoami has changed 3 times without you doing anything. that isn't a question
[18:39] <tathhu> ogra_, I can put my bq when it arrives on top of my nexus :P
[18:39] <ogra_> oh, i could stack quite a few ubuntu phones onto each other ;)
[18:39] <dobey> Kinoko: there is a communications problem here. we do not understand what you are claiming, or wanting to know
[18:39] <ogra_> not sure you can call that inception if you dont fold them though ;)
[18:39] <Kinoko> dobey: not a question? Of course is a question: is posible to renotely someone change my username@host: in ubuntu phone?
[18:39] <ogra_> Kinoko, no
[18:40] <ogra_> it isnt even possible for an app to do that
[18:40] <ogra_> (i.e. locally)
[18:40] <pixel_> Kinoko, on mx4?
[18:41] <dobey> Kinoko: not unless they've gained root access to your phone and changed the root partition to read-write
[18:41] <Kinoko> pixel_: on anything that haves unix ubuntu linux...
[18:41] <pixel_> ok lol
[18:41] <dobey> ie, if you installed an insecure sshd and have it running on an open network or something like that
[18:42] <dobey> by default, the phone is secure though
[18:42] <Kinoko> dobey: if yes this, how to detect and prevent?
[18:42] <dobey> so you will have to explicitly do something to enable that, or some kernel exploit will have to be found that affects the specific kernel on the device (but then, that likely won't get you into the ubuntu side of the system)
[18:43] <dobey> Kinoko: don't break security of your phone and install the updates as they are available
[18:43] <Kinoko> allright... :D
[18:53] <ogra_> what a funny conversation
[18:53] <tathhu> ;D
[19:34] <pmcgowan> ogra_, where are the image manifests again
[19:34]  * pixel_ ping facebook o_O
[19:34]  * pixel_ he dead?
[19:34] <ogra_> pmcgowan, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/vivid/daily-preinstalled/current/
[19:34] <pmcgowan> ogra_, thanks much
[19:35] <ogra_> pmcgowan, interesting that the i386 rootfs is 40MB bigger btw ...
[19:36]  * ogra_ remembers they were never tthe same size ... but 40MB sounds like quite a diff)
[19:36] <pmcgowan> indeed
[19:40] <UbuntuUser|76726> hello
[23:51] <Sander^home> have anyone thought about implementing lxc containers for all apps in ubuntu touch?
[23:51] <Sander^home> That way you could isolate every app on the kernel level from eachother.
[23:51] <Sander^home> There is little memory footprint of it.
[23:54] <Sander^home> http://www.janoszen.com/2013/01/22/lxc-vs-openvz/ <-- Here is a overview of what type of isolation LXC have.