| diddledan | roll-on october. I want my virgin! | 00:02 |
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| diddledan | (speed bump) | 00:02 |
| zmoylan-pi | yeah that did need a qualifier :-P | 00:03 |
| daftykins | this the 300Mb jump i've heard about? | 00:03 |
| diddledan | aye | 00:03 |
| diddledan | prolly some silly figure like 304 | 00:03 |
| daftykins | pretty impressive doing a doubling when it's already that high | 00:03 |
| diddledan | apparently BT's plans for G.Fast will mean that by 2020 they might have fttc running at 300 | 00:04 |
| diddledan | virgin pretty much blows that out of the water if they're doing 300 now. the only competition would be fttp | 00:05 |
| zmoylan-pi | and sneakernet :-) | 00:05 |
| diddledan | (currently BT runs fttp at 300 max - dad has it at standard 40/10 tho 'cos he doesn't want to pay the high cost - his only option was fttp due to the weird setup they have over there) | 00:05 |
| diddledan | t'was a bit of a farce getting them enabled anyway - they won a bt comp back along called "race to infinity" by getting 100% of the population to say they wanted fibre (supposedly 100% according to the figure quoted by BT) but it took YEARS to actually get installed. they have their own exchange but the fibre network runs from the andover exchange about 8 miles away | 00:08 |
| diddledan | so BT dug the road up all the way from andover instead of using the infrastructure they had in place in whitchurch already | 00:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | sounds a bit of a cock up | 00:08 |
| diddledan | it was | 00:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | aiming for deliberate failure so that they can keep pushing old/slower for longer? | 00:09 |
| diddledan | it actually seems like real-honest-to-goodness idiocy | 00:10 |
| * zmoylan-pi remembers ireland flogging isdn when rest of world was on dsl | 00:10 | |
| daftykins | i'm confused, they put fiber in so surely that's better? | 00:11 |
| diddledan | http://whitchurch.org.uk/news/fibre-finally-lights-up-but-some-still-in-the-dark/ | 00:11 |
| diddledan | who remembers homehighway? | 00:11 |
| zmoylan-pi | sounds like they made a meal of the installation. more work than necessary | 00:11 |
| diddledan | it took over 5 years to actually get what was promised | 00:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | sounds very bt :-) | 00:12 |
| diddledan | that was from 2014 - here's one from 2013: https://recombu.com/digital/article/bts-fibre-broadband-infinity-slow-whitchurch_M11160.html | 00:14 |
| diddledan | and here they claim it will be active by 2012: http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/article/1047736/bt-names-winners-race-infinity-campaign | 00:14 |
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| daftykins | nice lunar eclipse there | 02:24 |
| daftykins | just walked down to the seafront to see | 02:24 |
| daftykins | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOL-_lXp5ZQ | 03:43 |
| daftykins | wow that's... that's how to fail | 03:43 |
| zmoylan-pi | comes across as someone who doesn't use tech themselves | 03:48 |
| daftykins | indeed :S | 03:48 |
| daftykins | and they wonder why they're in trouble :) | 03:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | for a lot of people who want a keybord they'll look past the crappy salesman and buy it anyway | 03:49 |
| zmoylan-pi | and a *lot* of people want a keyboard | 03:49 |
| daftykins | *nod* got a client who hangs onto a blackberry solely for it | 03:49 |
| daftykins | i don't get it personally | 03:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | it may be a small % of overall users but if they can claim that % it's a lot of phones | 03:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | i prefer keyboards | 03:50 |
| zmoylan-pi | typing on virtual keyboard would drive me nuts at more than >1k per day | 03:51 |
| daftykins | ah i think if you try enough of the virtual apps ones you can find one that'll work well :> | 03:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | i've tried many, they fail on so many levels. | 03:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | when i type on real keyboard i can use muscle memory to type | 03:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | i can rest fingers on keyboard | 03:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | i know what i've type without looking at screen | 03:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | and i flippin hate the smudges on screens from touching them. they can end up manky. | 03:56 |
| daftykins | mmm definitely not ones to be shared | 03:56 |
| zmoylan-pi | i've been handed touchscreen devices and my first impulse was to drop them in boiling water to sterilise the buggers | 03:57 |
| daftykins | even other folks keyboards and rodents are a bit unpleasant | 03:57 |
| zmoylan-pi | so i like to have something were i touch one part and look at another. so keyboard AND screen. thank you very much :-) | 03:58 |
| zmoylan-pi | it's great that others can get on with virtual keyboards but the real keyboard is not going away | 03:59 |
| daftykins | it almost entirely has though oddly, can't think of any phones with one as standard that are new | 04:00 |
| zmoylan-pi | and back... | 04:08 |
| daftykins | wow 5am again :D | 04:08 |
| zmoylan-pi | seemed like a good time to pick at the time :-) | 04:09 |
| daftykins | ah i thought you had a regular issue that occurs then, you mentioned it the other day | 04:10 |
| zmoylan-pi | it seems to have calmed down my adsl modem/ap from borking once a week that needed a phyiscal reset which is awkward as it's in landlords part of house | 04:12 |
| zmoylan-pi | terrible leccy and i suspect the phone line is iffy too. an old house | 04:13 |
| daftykins | ah | 04:13 |
| zmoylan-pi | but free data i do tech support :-) | 04:14 |
| daftykins | ah no the SeaMeWe-3 undersea cable has been cut! | 04:14 |
| zmoylan-pi | so australia is offline? | 04:16 |
| daftykins | just some slowdown | 04:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | could take a while for the albatrosses to implement ip via avian... | 04:17 |
| zmoylan-pi | you'd think by now they could retrench a repaired cable | 04:20 |
| daftykins | indeed! | 04:22 |
| daftykins | or threaten seafolk enough to be more careful ;) | 04:22 |
| daftykins | reminds me, my folks said they were down Land's End the other day and saw the spot where all the links come in | 04:22 |
| zmoylan-pi | i do like that when they laid the first transatlantic cable it came ashore on a sandy beach to protect the cable | 04:23 |
| daftykins | really they just wanted to frolick on the beach ;) | 04:24 |
| zmoylan-pi | i'm sure the telegraph operators were hackers and their cats appreciated the litter box :-) | 04:25 |
| Moodoo | morning all | 07:08 |
| DJones | Morning | 07:42 |
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| diplo | Morning all | 08:05 |
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| Moodoo | morning diplo | 08:29 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Drink Beer Day! 😃 | 09:02 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 09:25 |
| MartijnVdS | \o brobostigon | 09:27 |
| brobostigon | morning MartijnVdS | 09:28 |
| brobostigon | i have a question, is it possible to make dovecot/postfix thats on one server with one domain think its on another, and serve a different domain? | 09:29 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: what do you mean exactly? | 09:29 |
| MartijnVdS | you can configure postfix to accept mail for any domain you want. And it'll work as long as you point an MX record at it | 09:29 |
| MartijnVdS | and dovecot will happily serve mailboxes for anything on the system too | 09:30 |
| brobostigon | i have dovecot/postfix setup on jabber.* would there be a way of making it serve my taylorworld domain without setting it up allover again? | 09:30 |
| brobostigon | so i just change the mx record on taylorworld* to point at jabber* ? | 09:32 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: yes. But you do need to tell postfix (in its config file) to accept mail for that domain too. | 09:33 |
| brobostigon | ah i see. ok. | 09:33 |
| brobostigon | ty. | 09:33 |
| MartijnVdS | I haven't configured postfix in a while, so I don't know exactly how to set it all up, but there's a ton of HOWTOs out there | 09:34 |
| MartijnVdS | also Postfix documentation, while a bit dense, is actually quite good | 09:34 |
| brobostigon | yes, should be easy enough to find out how. | 09:34 |
| JamesTait | IIRC there's a $mydomains setting that sets which domains Postfix will consider local. | 09:36 |
| * brobostigon makes notes. | 09:36 | |
| JamesTait | But my setup (which I haven't needed to touch for years) just accepts mail for three separate domains and delivers to the same mailbox regardless of domain, i.e. foo@example.org and foo@example.com land in the same mailbox. | 09:38 |
| brobostigon | ah i see. | 09:38 |
| JamesTait | Not sure if that's what you're after, or if you want different mailboxes for taylorworld and jabber.* | 09:39 |
| brobostigon | i think it would nominally work having them all combined into the same box. | 09:40 |
| MartijnVdS | you can set up different "routing" for the different domains too so brobostigon@some_domain goes to one mailbox, and brobostigon@jabber.some_domain goes to another | 09:41 |
| brobostigon | cool. | 09:43 |
| TwistedLucidity | I want to configure email so that tl.foo@domain and tl.bar@domain go to the same mailbox. | 09:53 |
| TwistedLucidity | A bit like how you can have tl+foo@gmail.com or tl+bar@gmail.com; but most sites reject the "+" as invalid. | 09:54 |
| TwistedLucidity | Heck, some sites even reject a hyphen as invalid! | 09:54 |
| jpds | TwistedLucidity: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html | 09:55 |
| TwistedLucidity | jpds - I'm being thick, I don't follow how that document helps me | 09:57 |
| jpds | Ah, sorry, I read that you wanted another domain | 09:58 |
| TwistedLucidity | Nah, same domain but with a wildcard kinda idea on the local part. | 10:00 |
| TwistedLucidity | Such a pain that so many websites can't validate an email address (I am aware of the complexities, but it is perfectly doable) | 10:00 |
| TwistedLucidity | To every single one I submit a complaint. I doubt anyone listens. | 10:01 |
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| diplo | Any of you guys in here used systemd in anger? | 12:51 |
| diplo | We're just learning service files, and moving all our stuff over | 12:51 |
| MartijnVdS | service files are horrors | 12:52 |
| diplo | We have a init script to stop and start a load of services at once, trying to google a way to do that with systemd to have 7 service files being able to be started or stopped by one command but still be able to use the seperate service files to stop each service individually | 12:52 |
| MartijnVdS | especially the magic overriding | 12:52 |
| MartijnVdS | you can make stuff depend on each other | 12:53 |
| diplo | We're finding that, but also like the way some of it works too | 12:53 |
| diplo | Yeah, that's what we're leaning towards atm MartijnVdS | 12:53 |
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| diddledan | mernin | 15:08 |
| diddledan | liquid water on mars! | 15:57 |
| diddledan | quiet in here this afternoon | 16:30 |
| diddledan | I might do something family unfriendly to wake you all up! | 16:51 |
| * diddledan scrawls a big thingy on the wall | 16:51 | |
| zmoylan-pi | the pi is alive \o/ | 16:52 |
| diddledan | \o/ | 16:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | good pi, preciousssss pi | 16:52 |
| diddledan | good pi, warm pi, little ball of furr | 16:52 |
| diddledan | happy pi, err. purr purr purr. | 16:52 |
| diddledan | I forget how it goes | 16:52 |
| zmoylan-pi | happy pi, sleepy pi, purr purr purr | 16:53 |
| zmoylan-pi | had to look it up :-) | 16:54 |
| diddledan | aha | 16:54 |
| diddledan | lol | 16:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | just died at 1030 this morning, 2 rboots didn't happen as it didn't even try to access sd card, then it did but didn't allow web while allowing me to sms in... | 16:54 |
| zmoylan-pi | walk away for 3 hours and it comes back all on it's own... | 16:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | *me to ssh in | 16:55 |
| diddledan | err, yey? | 16:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | though irc has been laggy all day on freenode for some reason... | 16:55 |
| zmoylan-pi | my other irc servers seem fine | 16:56 |
| diddledan | random | 16:57 |
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| diddledan | cd | 21:27 |
| brobostigon | ls | 21:29 |
| diddledan | oops | 21:29 |
| diddledan | I wondered why that disappeared | 21:29 |
| brobostigon | :) | 21:29 |
| diddledan | good job it wasn't an sudo followed by a password :-p | 21:30 |
| diddledan | this could be a good reason for monotasking or cli-only | 21:30 |
| brobostigon | lolz. quite. | 21:30 |
| * diddledan wanders off in search of liquids | 21:36 | |
| diddledan | and back | 21:40 |
| * brobostigon has gin and tonic. | 21:42 | |
| diddledan | :-o | 21:42 |
| diddledan | alcohol == evil :-p | 21:42 |
| brobostigon | :( | 21:43 |
| diddledan | (only 'cos I don't drink much) | 21:43 |
| brobostigon | thats what my gf says as well. | 21:43 |
| diddledan | I usually go months without drinking anything and then my brother drags me outside and I get bladdered :-p | 21:43 |
| brobostigon | usually, me and my gf go out for food every two weeks and then go to the pub afterwards, thats about it. | 21:44 |
| daftykins | diddledan: i see, so you leave for your brother but not for your buddy shauno :( | 22:12 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:12 |
| diddledan | hungry | 22:47 |
| Azelphur | This is so strange, the guy who I bought my 4x 4k monitors off, I paid him and he stopped responding 10 days ago, issued a PayPal dispute and will get my money back if he doesn't reply within 7 days | 22:57 |
| diddledan | o_O | 22:59 |
| diddledan | why did you issue a dispute? are the monitors broken? | 23:00 |
| diddledan | or did he not send anything? | 23:00 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: he stopped responding and didn't send the monitors | 23:00 |
| diddledan | aah | 23:00 |
| diddledan | sucky | 23:00 |
| diddledan | bar steward! | 23:01 |
| Azelphur | well, either that or he stopped responding, sent them and they are in the post | 23:01 |
| Azelphur | impossible to know | 23:01 |
| daftykins | :S | 23:01 |
| diddledan | does seem odd that he's not replying tho | 23:01 |
| diddledan | sounds like it might be scammish | 23:01 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: yea, except he has 12.5k ebay feedback and this was via paypal, the scam potential here is zero :s | 23:03 |
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