[00:02] roll-on october. I want my virgin! [00:02] (speed bump) [00:03] yeah that did need a qualifier :-P [00:03] this the 300Mb jump i've heard about? [00:03] aye [00:03] prolly some silly figure like 304 [00:03] pretty impressive doing a doubling when it's already that high [00:04] apparently BT's plans for G.Fast will mean that by 2020 they might have fttc running at 300 [00:05] virgin pretty much blows that out of the water if they're doing 300 now. the only competition would be fttp [00:05] and sneakernet :-) [00:05] (currently BT runs fttp at 300 max - dad has it at standard 40/10 tho 'cos he doesn't want to pay the high cost - his only option was fttp due to the weird setup they have over there) [00:08] t'was a bit of a farce getting them enabled anyway - they won a bt comp back along called "race to infinity" by getting 100% of the population to say they wanted fibre (supposedly 100% according to the figure quoted by BT) but it took YEARS to actually get installed. they have their own exchange but the fibre network runs from the andover exchange about 8 miles away [00:08] so BT dug the road up all the way from andover instead of using the infrastructure they had in place in whitchurch already [00:08] sounds a bit of a cock up [00:08] it was [00:09] aiming for deliberate failure so that they can keep pushing old/slower for longer? [00:10] it actually seems like real-honest-to-goodness idiocy [00:10] * zmoylan-pi remembers ireland flogging isdn when rest of world was on dsl [00:11] i'm confused, they put fiber in so surely that's better? [00:11] http://whitchurch.org.uk/news/fibre-finally-lights-up-but-some-still-in-the-dark/ [00:11] who remembers homehighway? [00:11] sounds like they made a meal of the installation. more work than necessary [00:12] it took over 5 years to actually get what was promised [00:12] sounds very bt :-) [00:14] that was from 2014 - here's one from 2013: https://recombu.com/digital/article/bts-fibre-broadband-infinity-slow-whitchurch_M11160.html [00:14] and here they claim it will be active by 2012: http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/article/1047736/bt-names-winners-race-infinity-campaign === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [02:24] nice lunar eclipse there [02:24] just walked down to the seafront to see [03:43] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOL-_lXp5ZQ [03:43] wow that's... that's how to fail [03:48] comes across as someone who doesn't use tech themselves [03:48] indeed :S [03:49] and they wonder why they're in trouble :) [03:49] for a lot of people who want a keybord they'll look past the crappy salesman and buy it anyway [03:49] and a *lot* of people want a keyboard [03:49] *nod* got a client who hangs onto a blackberry solely for it [03:50] i don't get it personally [03:50] it may be a small % of overall users but if they can claim that % it's a lot of phones [03:50] i prefer keyboards [03:51] typing on virtual keyboard would drive me nuts at more than >1k per day [03:52] ah i think if you try enough of the virtual apps ones you can find one that'll work well :> [03:52] i've tried many, they fail on so many levels. [03:52] when i type on real keyboard i can use muscle memory to type [03:53] i can rest fingers on keyboard [03:53] i know what i've type without looking at screen [03:56] and i flippin hate the smudges on screens from touching them. they can end up manky. [03:56] mmm definitely not ones to be shared [03:57] i've been handed touchscreen devices and my first impulse was to drop them in boiling water to sterilise the buggers [03:57] even other folks keyboards and rodents are a bit unpleasant [03:58] so i like to have something were i touch one part and look at another. so keyboard AND screen. thank you very much :-) [03:59] it's great that others can get on with virtual keyboards but the real keyboard is not going away [04:00] it almost entirely has though oddly, can't think of any phones with one as standard that are new [04:08] and back... [04:08] wow 5am again :D [04:09] seemed like a good time to pick at the time :-) [04:10] ah i thought you had a regular issue that occurs then, you mentioned it the other day [04:12] it seems to have calmed down my adsl modem/ap from borking once a week that needed a phyiscal reset which is awkward as it's in landlords part of house [04:13] terrible leccy and i suspect the phone line is iffy too. an old house [04:13] ah [04:14] but free data i do tech support :-) [04:14] ah no the SeaMeWe-3 undersea cable has been cut! [04:16] so australia is offline? [04:17] just some slowdown [04:17] could take a while for the albatrosses to implement ip via avian... [04:20] you'd think by now they could retrench a repaired cable [04:22] indeed! [04:22] or threaten seafolk enough to be more careful ;) [04:22] reminds me, my folks said they were down Land's End the other day and saw the spot where all the links come in [04:23] i do like that when they laid the first transatlantic cable it came ashore on a sandy beach to protect the cable [04:24] really they just wanted to frolick on the beach ;) [04:25] i'm sure the telegraph operators were hackers and their cats appreciated the litter box :-) [07:08] morning all [07:42] Morning === lan3y is now known as Laney === Laney is now known as Guest61035 [08:05] Morning all === Guest61035 is now known as Laney === dogmatic69__ is now known as dogmatic69 [08:29] morning diplo [09:02] Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Drink Beer Day! 😃 [09:25] morning boys and girls. [09:27] \o brobostigon [09:28] morning MartijnVdS [09:29] i have a question, is it possible to make dovecot/postfix thats on one server with one domain think its on another, and serve a different domain? [09:29] brobostigon: what do you mean exactly? [09:29] you can configure postfix to accept mail for any domain you want. And it'll work as long as you point an MX record at it [09:30] and dovecot will happily serve mailboxes for anything on the system too [09:30] i have dovecot/postfix setup on jabber.* would there be a way of making it serve my taylorworld domain without setting it up allover again? [09:32] so i just change the mx record on taylorworld* to point at jabber* ? [09:33] brobostigon: yes. But you do need to tell postfix (in its config file) to accept mail for that domain too. [09:33] ah i see. ok. [09:33] ty. [09:34] I haven't configured postfix in a while, so I don't know exactly how to set it all up, but there's a ton of HOWTOs out there [09:34] also Postfix documentation, while a bit dense, is actually quite good [09:34] yes, should be easy enough to find out how. [09:36] IIRC there's a $mydomains setting that sets which domains Postfix will consider local. [09:36] * brobostigon makes notes. [09:38] But my setup (which I haven't needed to touch for years) just accepts mail for three separate domains and delivers to the same mailbox regardless of domain, i.e. foo@example.org and foo@example.com land in the same mailbox. [09:38] ah i see. [09:39] Not sure if that's what you're after, or if you want different mailboxes for taylorworld and jabber.* [09:40] i think it would nominally work having them all combined into the same box. [09:41] you can set up different "routing" for the different domains too so brobostigon@some_domain goes to one mailbox, and brobostigon@jabber.some_domain goes to another [09:43] cool. [09:53] I want to configure email so that tl.foo@domain and tl.bar@domain go to the same mailbox. [09:54] A bit like how you can have tl+foo@gmail.com or tl+bar@gmail.com; but most sites reject the "+" as invalid. [09:54] Heck, some sites even reject a hyphen as invalid! [09:55] TwistedLucidity: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html [09:57] jpds - I'm being thick, I don't follow how that document helps me [09:58] Ah, sorry, I read that you wanted another domain [10:00] Nah, same domain but with a wildcard kinda idea on the local part. [10:00] Such a pain that so many websites can't validate an email address (I am aware of the complexities, but it is perfectly doable) [10:01] To every single one I submit a complaint. I doubt anyone listens. === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:51] Any of you guys in here used systemd in anger? [12:51] We're just learning service files, and moving all our stuff over [12:52] service files are horrors [12:52] We have a init script to stop and start a load of services at once, trying to google a way to do that with systemd to have 7 service files being able to be started or stopped by one command but still be able to use the seperate service files to stop each service individually [12:52] especially the magic overriding [12:53] you can make stuff depend on each other [12:53] We're finding that, but also like the way some of it works too [12:53] Yeah, that's what we're leaning towards atm MartijnVdS === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [15:08] mernin [15:57] liquid water on mars! [16:30] quiet in here this afternoon [16:51] I might do something family unfriendly to wake you all up! [16:51] * diddledan scrawls a big thingy on the wall [16:52] the pi is alive \o/ [16:52] \o/ [16:52] good pi, preciousssss pi [16:52] good pi, warm pi, little ball of furr [16:52] happy pi, err. purr purr purr. [16:52] I forget how it goes [16:53] happy pi, sleepy pi, purr purr purr [16:54] had to look it up :-) [16:54] aha [16:54] lol [16:54] just died at 1030 this morning, 2 rboots didn't happen as it didn't even try to access sd card, then it did but didn't allow web while allowing me to sms in... [16:55] walk away for 3 hours and it comes back all on it's own... [16:55] *me to ssh in [16:55] err, yey? [16:55] though irc has been laggy all day on freenode for some reason... [16:56] my other irc servers seem fine [16:57] random === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [21:27] cd [21:29] ls [21:29] oops [21:29] I wondered why that disappeared [21:29] :) [21:30] good job it wasn't an sudo followed by a password :-p [21:30] this could be a good reason for monotasking or cli-only [21:30] lolz. quite. [21:36] * diddledan wanders off in search of liquids [21:40] and back [21:42] * brobostigon has gin and tonic. [21:42] :-o [21:42] alcohol == evil :-p [21:43] :( [21:43] (only 'cos I don't drink much) [21:43] thats what my gf says as well. [21:43] I usually go months without drinking anything and then my brother drags me outside and I get bladdered :-p [21:44] usually, me and my gf go out for food every two weeks and then go to the pub afterwards, thats about it. [22:12] diddledan: i see, so you leave for your brother but not for your buddy shauno :( [22:12] :D [22:47] hungry [22:57] This is so strange, the guy who I bought my 4x 4k monitors off, I paid him and he stopped responding 10 days ago, issued a PayPal dispute and will get my money back if he doesn't reply within 7 days [22:59] o_O [23:00] why did you issue a dispute? are the monitors broken? [23:00] or did he not send anything? [23:00] diddledan: he stopped responding and didn't send the monitors [23:00] aah [23:00] sucky [23:01] bar steward! [23:01] well, either that or he stopped responding, sent them and they are in the post [23:01] impossible to know [23:01] :S [23:01] does seem odd that he's not replying tho [23:01] sounds like it might be scammish [23:03] diddledan: yea, except he has 12.5k ebay feedback and this was via paypal, the scam potential here is zero :s === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away