[00:02] <diddledan> roll-on october. I want my virgin!
[00:02] <diddledan> (speed bump)
[00:03] <zmoylan-pi> yeah that did need a qualifier :-P
[00:03] <daftykins> this the 300Mb jump i've heard about?
[00:03] <diddledan> aye
[00:03] <diddledan> prolly some silly figure like 304
[00:03] <daftykins> pretty impressive doing a doubling when it's already that high
[00:04] <diddledan> apparently BT's plans for G.Fast will mean that by 2020 they might have fttc running at 300
[00:05] <diddledan> virgin pretty much blows that out of the water if they're doing 300 now. the only competition would be fttp
[00:05] <zmoylan-pi> and sneakernet :-)
[00:05] <diddledan> (currently BT runs fttp at 300 max - dad has it at standard 40/10 tho 'cos he doesn't want to pay the high cost - his only option was fttp due to the weird setup they have over there)
[00:08] <diddledan> t'was a bit of a farce getting them enabled anyway - they won a bt comp back along called "race to infinity" by getting 100% of the population to say they wanted fibre (supposedly 100% according to the figure quoted by BT) but it took YEARS to actually get installed. they have their own exchange but the fibre network runs from the andover exchange about 8 miles away
[00:08] <diddledan> so BT dug the road up all the way from andover instead of using the infrastructure they had in place in whitchurch already
[00:08] <zmoylan-pi> sounds a bit of a cock up
[00:08] <diddledan> it was
[00:09] <zmoylan-pi> aiming for deliberate failure so that they can keep pushing old/slower for longer?
[00:10] <diddledan> it actually seems like real-honest-to-goodness idiocy
[00:10]  * zmoylan-pi remembers ireland flogging isdn when rest of world was on dsl
[00:11] <daftykins> i'm confused, they put fiber in so surely that's better?
[00:11] <diddledan> http://whitchurch.org.uk/news/fibre-finally-lights-up-but-some-still-in-the-dark/
[00:11] <diddledan> who remembers homehighway?
[00:11] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like they made a meal of the installation.  more work than necessary
[00:12] <diddledan> it took over 5 years to actually get what was promised
[00:12] <zmoylan-pi> sounds very bt :-)
[00:14] <diddledan> that was from 2014 - here's one from 2013: https://recombu.com/digital/article/bts-fibre-broadband-infinity-slow-whitchurch_M11160.html
[00:14] <diddledan> and here they claim it will be active by 2012: http://www.marketingmagazine.co.uk/article/1047736/bt-names-winners-race-infinity-campaign
[02:24] <daftykins> nice lunar eclipse there
[02:24] <daftykins> just walked down to the seafront to see
[03:43] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOL-_lXp5ZQ
[03:43] <daftykins> wow that's... that's how to fail
[03:48] <zmoylan-pi> comes across as someone who doesn't use tech themselves
[03:48] <daftykins> indeed :S
[03:49] <daftykins> and they wonder why they're in trouble :)
[03:49] <zmoylan-pi> for a lot of people who want a keybord they'll look past the crappy salesman and buy it anyway
[03:49] <zmoylan-pi> and a *lot* of people want a keyboard
[03:49] <daftykins> *nod* got a client who hangs onto a blackberry solely for it
[03:50] <daftykins> i don't get it personally
[03:50] <zmoylan-pi> it may be a small % of overall users but if they can claim that % it's a lot of phones
[03:50] <zmoylan-pi> i prefer keyboards
[03:51] <zmoylan-pi> typing on virtual keyboard would drive me nuts at more than >1k per day
[03:52] <daftykins> ah i think if you try enough of the virtual apps ones you can find one that'll work well :>
[03:52] <zmoylan-pi> i've tried many, they fail on so many levels.
[03:52] <zmoylan-pi> when i type on real keyboard i can use muscle memory to type
[03:53] <zmoylan-pi> i can rest fingers on keyboard
[03:53] <zmoylan-pi> i know what i've type without looking at screen
[03:56] <zmoylan-pi> and i flippin hate the smudges on screens from touching them.  they can end up manky.
[03:56] <daftykins> mmm definitely not ones to be shared
[03:57] <zmoylan-pi> i've been handed touchscreen devices and my first impulse was to drop them in boiling water to sterilise the buggers
[03:57] <daftykins> even other folks keyboards and rodents are a bit unpleasant
[03:58] <zmoylan-pi> so i like to have something were i touch one part and look at another.  so keyboard AND screen. thank you very much :-)
[03:59] <zmoylan-pi> it's great that others can get on with virtual keyboards but the real keyboard is not going away
[04:00] <daftykins> it almost entirely has though oddly, can't think of any phones with one as standard that are new
[04:08] <zmoylan-pi> and back...
[04:08] <daftykins> wow 5am again :D
[04:09] <zmoylan-pi> seemed like a good time to pick at the time :-)
[04:10] <daftykins> ah i thought you had a regular issue that occurs then, you mentioned it the other day
[04:12] <zmoylan-pi> it seems to have calmed down my adsl modem/ap from borking once a week that needed a phyiscal reset which is awkward as it's in landlords part of house
[04:13] <zmoylan-pi> terrible leccy and i suspect the phone line is iffy too.  an old house
[04:13] <daftykins> ah
[04:14] <zmoylan-pi> but free data i do tech support :-)
[04:14] <daftykins> ah no the SeaMeWe-3 undersea cable has been cut!
[04:16] <zmoylan-pi> so australia is offline?
[04:17] <daftykins> just some slowdown
[04:17] <zmoylan-pi> could take a while for the albatrosses to implement ip via avian...
[04:20] <zmoylan-pi> you'd think by now they could retrench a repaired cable
[04:22] <daftykins> indeed!
[04:22] <daftykins> or threaten seafolk enough to be more careful ;)
[04:22] <daftykins> reminds me, my folks said they were down Land's End the other day and saw the spot where all the links come in
[04:23] <zmoylan-pi> i do like that when they laid the first transatlantic cable it came ashore on a sandy beach to protect the cable
[04:24] <daftykins> really they just wanted to frolick on the beach ;)
[04:25] <zmoylan-pi> i'm sure the telegraph operators were hackers and their cats appreciated the litter box :-)
[07:08] <Moodoo> morning all
[07:42] <DJones> Morning
[08:05] <diplo> Morning all
[08:29] <Moodoo> morning diplo
[09:02] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday, and happy Drink Beer Day! 😃
[09:25] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:28] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:29] <brobostigon> i have a question, is it possible to make dovecot/postfix thats on one server with one domain think its on another, and serve a different domain?
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: what do you mean exactly?
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> you can configure postfix to accept mail for any domain you want. And it'll work as long as you point an MX record at it
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> and dovecot will happily serve mailboxes for anything on the system too
[09:30] <brobostigon> i have dovecot/postfix setup on jabber.* would there be a way of making it serve my taylorworld domain without setting it up allover again?
[09:32] <brobostigon> so i just change the mx record on taylorworld* to point at jabber* ?
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yes. But you do need to tell postfix (in its config file) to accept mail for that domain too.
[09:33] <brobostigon> ah i see. ok.
[09:33] <brobostigon> ty.
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> I haven't configured postfix in a while, so I don't know exactly how to set it all up, but there's a ton of HOWTOs out there
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> also Postfix documentation, while a bit dense, is actually quite good
[09:34] <brobostigon> yes, should be easy enough to find out how.
[09:36] <JamesTait> IIRC there's a $mydomains setting that sets which domains Postfix will consider local.
[09:36]  * brobostigon makes notes.
[09:38] <JamesTait> But my setup (which I haven't needed to touch for years) just accepts mail for three separate domains and delivers to the same mailbox regardless of domain, i.e. foo@example.org and foo@example.com land in the same mailbox.
[09:38] <brobostigon> ah i see.
[09:39] <JamesTait> Not sure if that's what you're after, or if you want different mailboxes for taylorworld and jabber.*
[09:40] <brobostigon> i think it would nominally work having them all combined into the same box.
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> you can set up different "routing" for the different domains too so brobostigon@some_domain goes to one mailbox, and brobostigon@jabber.some_domain goes to another
[09:43] <brobostigon> cool.
[09:53] <TwistedLucidity> I want to configure email so that tl.foo@domain and tl.bar@domain go to the same mailbox.
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> A bit like how you can have tl+foo@gmail.com or tl+bar@gmail.com; but most sites reject the "+" as invalid.
[09:54] <TwistedLucidity> Heck, some sites even reject a hyphen as invalid!
[09:55] <jpds> TwistedLucidity: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
[09:57] <TwistedLucidity> jpds - I'm being thick, I don't follow how that document helps me
[09:58] <jpds> Ah, sorry, I read that you wanted another domain
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> Nah, same domain but with a wildcard kinda idea on the local part.
[10:00] <TwistedLucidity> Such a pain that so many websites can't validate an email address (I am aware of the complexities, but it is perfectly doable)
[10:01] <TwistedLucidity> To every single one I submit a complaint. I doubt anyone listens.
[12:51] <diplo> Any of you guys in here used systemd in anger?
[12:51] <diplo> We're just learning service files, and moving all our stuff over
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> service files are horrors
[12:52] <diplo> We have a init script to stop and start a load of services at once, trying to google a way to do that with systemd to have 7 service files being able to be started or stopped by one command but still be able to use the seperate service files to stop each service individually
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> especially the magic overriding
[12:53] <MartijnVdS> you can make stuff depend on each other
[12:53] <diplo> We're finding that, but also like the way some of it works too
[12:53] <diplo> Yeah, that's what we're leaning towards atm MartijnVdS
[15:08] <diddledan> mernin
[15:57] <diddledan> liquid water on mars!
[16:30] <diddledan> quiet in here this afternoon
[16:51] <diddledan> I might do something family unfriendly to wake you all up!
[16:51]  * diddledan scrawls a big thingy on the wall
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> the pi is alive \o/
[16:52] <diddledan> \o/
[16:52] <zmoylan-pi> good pi, preciousssss pi
[16:52] <diddledan> good pi, warm pi, little ball of furr
[16:52] <diddledan> happy pi, err. purr purr purr.
[16:52] <diddledan> I forget how it goes
[16:53] <zmoylan-pi> happy pi, sleepy pi, purr purr purr
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> had to look it up :-)
[16:54] <diddledan> aha
[16:54] <diddledan> lol
[16:54] <zmoylan-pi> just died at 1030 this morning, 2 rboots didn't happen as it didn't even try to access sd card, then it did but didn't allow web while allowing me to sms in...
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> walk away for 3 hours and it comes back all on it's own...
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> *me to ssh in
[16:55] <diddledan> err, yey?
[16:55] <zmoylan-pi> though irc has been laggy all day on freenode for some reason...
[16:56] <zmoylan-pi> my other irc servers seem fine
[16:57] <diddledan> random
[21:27] <diddledan> cd
[21:29] <brobostigon> ls
[21:29] <diddledan> oops
[21:29] <diddledan> I wondered why that disappeared
[21:29] <brobostigon> :)
[21:30] <diddledan> good job it wasn't an sudo followed by a password :-p
[21:30] <diddledan> this could be a good reason for monotasking or cli-only
[21:30] <brobostigon> lolz. quite.
[21:36]  * diddledan wanders off in search of liquids
[21:40] <diddledan> and back
[21:42]  * brobostigon has gin and tonic.
[21:42] <diddledan> :-o
[21:42] <diddledan> alcohol == evil :-p
[21:43] <brobostigon> :(
[21:43] <diddledan> (only 'cos I don't drink much)
[21:43] <brobostigon> thats what my gf says as well.
[21:43] <diddledan> I usually go months without drinking anything and then my brother drags me outside and I get bladdered :-p
[21:44] <brobostigon> usually, me and my gf go out for food every two weeks and then go to the pub afterwards, thats about it.
[22:12] <daftykins> diddledan: i see, so you leave for your brother but not for your buddy shauno :(
[22:12] <daftykins> :D
[22:47] <diddledan> hungry
[22:57] <Azelphur> This is so strange, the guy who I bought my 4x 4k monitors off, I paid him and he stopped responding 10 days ago, issued a PayPal dispute and will get my money back if he doesn't reply within 7 days
[22:59] <diddledan> o_O
[23:00] <diddledan> why did you issue a dispute? are the monitors broken?
[23:00] <diddledan> or did he not send anything?
[23:00] <Azelphur> diddledan: he stopped responding and didn't send the monitors
[23:00] <diddledan> aah
[23:00] <diddledan> sucky
[23:01] <diddledan> bar steward!
[23:01] <Azelphur> well, either that or he stopped responding, sent them and they are in the post
[23:01] <Azelphur> impossible to know
[23:01] <daftykins> :S
[23:01] <diddledan> does seem odd that he's not replying tho
[23:01] <diddledan> sounds like it might be scammish
[23:03] <Azelphur> diddledan: yea, except he has 12.5k ebay feedback and this was via paypal, the scam potential here is zero :s