=== JanC_ is now known as JanC [03:56] bye all [05:21] hello [06:03] good morning === hikiko-lpt is now known as hikiko [06:19] good morning didrocks & desktopers [06:19] Indeed. Morning humans & didrocks [06:19] (superhuman) [06:21] re seb128, evening duflu :) [06:21] hey duflu [06:21] Hey seb128 [06:21] how are things down there? [06:22] seb128: Sunny, green and spring-y [06:22] good :-) [06:31] good morning, desktoppers! [06:31] hey Sweet5hark [06:32] didrocks: heya [06:33] Good morning [06:33] bonjour pitti [06:33] hey Sweet5hark pitti [06:34] pitti, seb128: heya [06:35] pitti, how is the sprint? not too stressful? [06:35] ça va didrocks et seb128 ! [06:35] moin moin Sweet5hark [06:35] seb128: fyi, Im gonna finalize the libreoffice 5.0.2 FFE today, I guess. [06:35] Sweet5hark, great [06:35] seb128: lots of spec sessions, running over, still waiting for "mine" :) [06:36] pitti, what's your topic? [06:36] seb128: snappy classic dimension, i. e. having a dpkg/apt chroot/container for development and debugging [06:37] nice [07:28] bonjour! [07:29] hey larsu, wie gehts? [07:30] seb128: gut danke! Et toi? [07:30] larsu, bien, merci! [07:31] * larsu was at a pub quiz last night [07:31] one of the questions: what does http stand for [07:32] lol [07:32] did you win the quiz? ;-) [07:32] no, they had other, harder questions [07:32] we came in 3rd [07:33] hey larsu! [07:33] bonjour didrocks! ça va? [07:33] larsu: in a hate relationship with python for now, otherwise good :) [07:33] haha [07:33] stable release upgrade adding features, potentially breaking me [07:34] * didrocks asks launchpad politely to publish his ppa [07:34] "please please please" [07:48] morning [07:50] hey Trevinho [07:50] how are you? [07:52] hey Trevinho [07:55] seb128: allright, thanks :) [07:56] I hope to finis the key grabbing fix today, as yesteday I spent some hours fighting with some memory oddness :/ [07:57] ah, nice [07:57] what's the status of the scrollbars work? is that going to land in wily? [08:00] seb128: i've to cleanup the branch. they're done. BUt i've put them in hold because of this. I hope to wrap these up in these days [08:00] k [08:01] yo [08:02] morning [08:02] didrocks has some how emailed me his cold [08:02] \o/ [08:02] that's future-proof technology [08:03] hey Laney, feeling better willcooke or not? [08:03] practice safe hangouts [08:03] didrocks, worse [08:03] :( [08:03] didrocks, going to sort out my email and then bed until this afternoon I think [08:03] Sweet5hark, mind if we skip 1:1? ^^ [08:04] have a good rest [08:04] willcooke: fine for me [08:04] hey Laney willcooke [08:05] oh no! [08:05] hi hi [08:09] got to take my bike to the shop at lunchtime [08:10] I left it in the city centre on friday night and when I got back the wheel was all bent... [08:10] :| [08:10] :( [08:11] Last time I left a bike in Nottingham town centre I came back and it only had 1 wheel [08:11] my fault for not locking it properly I guess [08:11] haha [08:11] I replaced the quick release stuff years ago [08:12] but stamping on a wheel is a real dick move [08:12] once had to ride from jubilee campus to west bridgford with no seat [08:12] hah! [08:12] that was in the uni's "secure" storage too [08:12] I guess all the freshers are in town now, getting drunk on watered down Ritzy lager and smashing the place up [08:15] indeed they are back [08:16] was on a bus past Rock City on Sunday night [08:16] dear lord [08:16] XD [09:06] Laney, there a gvfs bugfix update out for some time, I'm going to have a look if you didn't yet/it's not on your list [09:09] go for it [09:09] thanks [09:09] larsu, are you still working on the eog fixes? I guess we shouldn't try to land the theme fixes for the previous/next buttons until you look at the toolbar issue as well? [09:10] seb128: I actually have a terminal window open for a couple of days now with a finished patch [09:10] * larsu should probably push that [09:10] I'll be with you in a min [09:10] (or two) [09:10] larsu, thanks [09:12] bah, why didn't I see an email on wily-changes about Laney's aptdaemon upload [09:13] * Laney operates in the dark [09:13] Laney, you didn't include the 3 chunck on purpose? [09:13] the one removing the trailing "," [09:13] 3rd [09:13] also I guess you didn't see my "if you upload please add a depends" line in the middle of the discussion yesterday? [09:14] said differently, we need another upload and I wonder if I should include the "," drop of if you discarded it for a reason [09:16] no I didn't see that, we should get a VCS for this really to avoid problems like that [09:17] Laney is a vampire quick everyone to the garlic and stake shops [09:17] I think that part of it could be included if you want, just didn't hit that case [09:17] Laney, aptdaemon has a vcs but it's an upstream project and I just don't commit without going through mps [09:17] ok, thanks [09:18] not a packaging one though, or? [09:18] indeed not [09:18] we should include the debian dir in the lp:aptdaemon ;-) [09:19] seb128: confirming the regression is in python: bug #1500768 [09:19] bug 1500768 in python3.4 (Ubuntu) "python3.4.3 SRU break requests" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500768 [09:19] didrocks, doookkoooo [09:19] pinged barry, let's see [09:20] yeah [09:20] if nothing happens on their side, I'll just ship new requests and httplib in the ppa [09:20] (and dep on them :/) [09:21] * didrocks wonders how it's possible that a SRU ships new features… [09:21] seb128: can you fix my patch header in fix-installation.patch please? :-) [09:21] should be Forwarded: and Bug-Ubuntu: the actual bug link [09:21] Laney, ok [09:21] thanks! [09:21] * Laney fail [09:23] Laney, is added a depends to gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 (<< 0.9) ok with you? [09:24] 0.9 was in wily-proposed and seems like quite some users got it from there and are having aptdaemon not working now, ideally that version would have add a Breaks on things it made not work, but it didn't [09:25] that would at least let those user know that there is some version mismatch they need to resolve [09:25] other option is to reupload packagekit with a version 0.9.is.0.8 [09:26] but since the version didn't hit wily proper I don't think that's needed [09:26] that would be terrible since >> 0.9 dependencies would satisfy it [09:26] k [09:26] << is probably ok, I'm not sure what apt would do in that situation though [09:26] so (<< 0.9) in aptdaemon it is [09:26] well, it might remove aptdaemon [09:27] people should stop using proposed :( [09:27] but at least it shows them that there is an issue to resolve [09:27] yeah, that would be nice [09:27] in practice it's in the top 10 wily e.u.c issues [09:27] so quite some users seems to have it enabled [09:27] yeah well [09:27] I made my proposal to make it NotAutomatic but nobody replied :( [09:29] :-( [09:39] seb128: [sorry was doing laundry] testing it right now with 3.16 and will upload in a bit [09:39] larsu, danke [09:39] somehow I forgot to push this [09:39] it's 100% done :/ [09:39] the problem other people have with browser tabs, I have with terminals [09:44] dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no upstream tarball found at ../eog_3.16.3.orig.tar.{bz2,gz,lzma,xz} [09:45] put the tarball there [09:46] bzr bd usually gets it [09:47] ya I'm wondering why it didn't get it automatically? [09:48] dunno, you only pasted the end result and not the previous attempts to find it :P [09:49] Laney: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12610228/ [09:49] debuild vs bzr bd ? [09:49] srsly? [09:49] probably... [09:50] * larsu tries [09:54] Laney: works indeed. thanks [09:54] kein problem [09:54] do germans say kp instead of np on the internets? [09:55] yes [09:55] sometimes [09:57] I always liked n8 too [09:57] 8ung, too [09:57] oh man [09:57] only young people say this, though [09:57] haven't seen it in ages [10:00] hm, seb128's patch doesn't like my patch on top of it [10:14] ah, that patch doesn't really do what it should anymore [10:31] dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address [10:32] $ update-maintainer [10:32] magic [10:32] thanks :) [10:38] Laney, seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/eog/menubar/+merge/272724 [10:40] thx, will look [10:40] * larsu ← lunch [10:42] what's the upstream bug link? [10:42] there is none [10:43] other than the old bug about the title bar [10:43] we'll need a slightly different approach going forward [10:43] planning to talk to desrt about that in London [10:44] can you stop it getting lost somehow? [10:44] getting lost? [10:44] oh, the patch? [10:45] it's in bzr, no? [10:45] the discussion, fixing and upstreaming of this patchset :) [10:48] Laney: added it to the sprint blueprint [10:48] thx [10:48] larsu, thank you! [10:48] and now actually going to lunch [10:48] I just worry about "we need to talk about that" turning into oh shit we forgot, sorry, let's just fix this patch up again [10:48] or otherwise not happening and us carrying the patch [10:48] either way [10:49] happy lunch === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [11:25] larsu: I changed the label for opening help to Contents [11:25] and does the "accel" there do anything other than control what is shown in the menubar? [11:26] ugh [11:26] http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201509/2015092901-ubuntu-broke-java-because-of-unity.html [11:26] because it seems to be (and should be?) F1 not ctrl-f1 [11:27] ogra_: upstream is already pinged about it [11:27] (today) [11:27] ah [11:28] it's weird they mention android studio, it's working well here [11:29] well, he doesnt even mention on which release [11:29] yeah [11:30] I wonder if this happens with oracle jdk now [11:30] if its wily ... shrug ... if its trusty ... omg ... [11:30] (with a $random_upgrade) [11:32] not even in the repo for trusty [11:33] ogra_: confirmed that you don't trigger it? [11:33] i dont have any java apps :P [11:33] but i can confirm that apt doesnt find it in trusty ... but finds it in vivid ... [11:33] ogra_: mind trying one? :) (intellij) [11:33] ogra_: ah, it's in trusty if you use ubuntu make [11:33] (with the ppa) [11:33] ouch [11:34] as you have a trusty machine, that would be great if you can give it a try [11:34] i'm not close to that machine atm (ssh'ed in) [11:34] i will if i'm back in the office [11:35] thanks [11:37] didrocks, btw bug 1441487 [11:37] bug 1441487 in jayatana (Ubuntu) "Running any Java program produces messages in the terminal, while rendering many Java applications broken" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1441487 [11:37] (in case you havent seen that yet) [11:37] (open since april ... ugh) [11:38] ogra_: well… look at the last comment [11:44] seb128: do you know if anything runs msgmerge on translations during a normal pkg build? [11:44] for this eog patch there are some strings which are brought back [11:44] they are commented out in the po files but if you intltool-update and msgmerge then they come back [11:44] but if I do a normal build the strings aren't translated [11:44] Laney, no, but it shouldn't matter [11:44] that's fine [11:44] they are in launchpad [11:44] it's going to autoresurect those [11:44] even the old ones? [11:44] yes [11:44] series are shared [11:45] no manual work? [11:45] no [11:45] ok [11:45] it's magic [11:45] there are no new strings if I fix Manual → Contents [11:45] so don't need to ask translators [11:45] no you don't [11:45] :-) [11:46] what would upstream do? [11:46] msgmerge for all languages? [11:46] maybe that's part of making a release or something [11:46] some upstreams would try that [11:46] some others would let translators do it [11:46] well they would probably not change a string in a stable serie [11:47] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/vivid/+source/eog/+pots/eog/fr/259/+translate [11:47] so yeah, that string is in vivid/translated [11:47] it's going to just work [11:47] looks like intltool does this [11:47] if you make update-po [11:47] that sounds about right [11:48] nice [11:49] Good morning. [11:51] seb128: also did you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubuntu-themes/eog-overlay-buttons/+merge/269482 ? [11:51] hey qengho [11:51] Laney, no I didn't, can do now though [11:51] qengho, hey [11:51] thx [11:51] there is also https://code.launchpad.net/~tiheum/ubuntu-themes/vpn-indicator/+merge/272371 which is approved, dunno if you want to upload that too [11:52] that's probably a good idea [11:52] is there a branch for the toolbar issue? [11:52] or is that on the eog side? [11:53] also that eog mp could have a lp: # in the changelog [11:53] larsu, ^ [11:53] I added one [11:53] will be there when uploaded [11:53] great ;-) [11:54] which toolbar issue? [11:54] the big icons? [11:54] big icons and no bg [11:54] or was the no bg wanted? [11:55] ah yes, that's not fixed yet [11:55] hum [11:55] pete-woods has an ubuntu-themes dual landing in a silo for the vpn thing === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [12:26] needs the uife anyway [12:26] just asked for it [12:29] ok I'm off out for lunch, might be a bit longer today [12:29] walking for miles and miles and miles to ye olde bike shoppe [12:30] good luck Laney! [12:31] Laney, have fun! === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:34] Laney, unsure those eog changes need an UIFe, they are a bugfix, not an UI change [12:34] UIF doesn't restrict fixes to thing that are obviously buggy [12:34] just changes for the sake of having a different result [13:18] dobey, nessita, hey, did you see errors like http://paste.ubuntu.com/12519695/ before? who would be the right person to look at that? (ubuntusso error in s-c helper) [13:22] seb128, checking! [13:22] and hi :-) [13:23] seb128: hi. i've not seen that before, no. seems like maybe the token is invalid or there's a server side issue perhaps [13:24] seb128, right, token seems invalid. Have any more data for this user? I can try to see his account details and se if there is something odd [13:24] nessita, it's on my laptop [13:24] I guess the token is invalid [13:24] but should something deal with it by requesting a new one? [13:27] maybe. i'm not exactly sure what code path got you to that point. generally, a new token should only be requested in the event of unexpected failures like that, as a result of direct user action, so it's something the apps need to handle, rather than the account provider [13:29] dobey, "/usr/share/software-center/piston_generic_helper.py --datadir /usr/share/software-center/ --needs-auth --no-relogin SoftwareCenterAgentAPI subscriptions_for_me" triggers the error [13:30] which s-c seems to try to call in backend [13:30] seb128, did you happen to invalidate u1 tokens in the keyring? [13:31] nessita, not that I can remember [13:32] seb128, let me check your account [13:33] seb128: "--no-relogin" [13:33] nessita, it works from other machines [13:33] other machines will have differen tokens [13:33] seb128, right, but I would hope your other machines have a different token [13:33] unless you named your machines all the same hostname [13:33] nessita, I guess so [13:35] dobey, softwarecenter/backend/spawn_helper.py: cmd.append("--no-relogin") [13:37] seems to use --no-relogin by default [13:37] is that wrong? [13:37] seb128: do you have handy the bug # for the shortcuts issue? [13:38] Trevinho, no, but maybe didrocks has [13:38] ah, got it.. [13:38] :P [13:39] it's 1459571 fyi [13:39] seb128, hey, I see only one V1 token for you (V1 is the token that ubuntu-sso-client creates). Any chance you have changed your password recently? [13:39] nessita, I probably did since it started requesting stronger passwords [13:40] seb128, around beginning of July? [13:40] yes [13:40] July 8th is your older token [13:40] that's probably when I changed my password [13:40] seb128, so, on password reset all tokens are invaldited [13:40] Laney: sure, that can go in as well [13:40] Laney: thanks for adding the missing stuff [13:40] seb128, and right now you have none for the V1 format, so no SC would work for you [13:40] * larsu takes long lunch breaks these days because SUN [13:41] larsu, it's nice isn't it :-) [13:41] seb128: i don't know if it's wrong or not. is that helper being called as a result of a direct user action? [13:42] nessita, shouldn't s-c warn about that/prompt through some UI? [13:42] seb128: perfect! Is there anything left for me to do on that MR or is Laney on it? [13:43] seb128: it depends on when it failed. if it was the result of a direct user action, yes; if it just happens as a matter of start-up, possibly not [13:43] seb128: likewise, the push client daemon on the phone doesn't pop up login windows randomly, because it's a background process with no UI [13:43] larsu, I think Laney is on it [13:43] coolio [13:44] * larsu makes tea, then [13:45] seb128, I'm not sure if SC has support to do that... [13:45] the U1 control panel did [13:46] dobey, nessita, ok, so where the error is visible in the UI is if I try to write a software review it gives me an error dialog "authentificaiton failed" [13:46] with no way/suggestion on how to fix it [13:46] seb128: and does it let you log in again there? [13:47] ok, that's an issue in software-center then [13:47] seb128, you can remove the token from the keyring [13:47] and the SC will ask you to login again [13:47] nessita, right, I know how to"fix" it [13:47] but normal users wouldn't [13:48] so I wanted to keep it in the buggy state and see if we can fix it for our users as well [13:48] seb128, yeah, I get your point. Thing is if SC does not have the support for that (asking the local, invalid token to be removed) no one will remove it for you. Long time ago U1 control panel will do so [13:49] and SC would implicitely benefit from that [13:49] and U1 would try to use the token every day [13:49] ok, so basically "known issue/s-c limitation" and not an easy fix but rather it would need feature dev in s-c? [13:49] seb128, correct [13:50] i have no idea how much work it would need in s-c to fix [13:50] ok, fine then, it is it what it is [13:50] seb128, sorry I can not give your a better answer [13:50] nessita, no worry, thanks for replying ;-) [13:50] dobey, thanks as well [13:50] it could be a few lines, or a larger feature [13:50] dobey, I guess it's not something you could check on in a few minutes? [13:52] no [13:53] fine, topic closed then [13:53] thanks ;-) [13:53] no problem :) [13:54] dobey, oh, speaking of which, you said you would merge https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-center/gtk-has-icon and https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-center/gtkgrid-deprecated-nrow [13:54] is that still on your list? ;-) [13:54] those are in the distro so no problem [13:54] but would be nice to have them in the vcs has well [13:54] has->as [13:54] seb128: yeah, i just haven't been able to get around to setting up the ci train stuff to do that yet :-/ [13:54] ok, no worry === davidcalle_ is now known as davidcalle [14:04] good morning #desktop [14:05] hey desrt [14:05] kat and dave say hi [14:06] hey desrt [14:06] word up [14:06] morning desrt [14:06] i love the new system :D [14:06] say hi to kat and dave [14:06] how's openhelp? [14:06] the usual goodness [14:07] had a lot of talk this year about how to properly deal with noobs [14:07] had a cool talk about "how to successfully turn 'total noob' into 'noob'" [14:07] desrt, do you any time for glib hacking this week? [14:07] seb128: heh... [14:07] file monitors, huh? [14:08] starting to be increasingly clear that we will need some stable release cleanups :/ [14:08] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749314 [14:08] Gnome bug 749314 in gio "Cannot restore a just-trashed file" [Normal,New] [14:08] ya [14:08] i figured out this bug already [14:08] which I'm unsure is a file monitor issue [14:08] it _is_ a file monitor issue [14:08] k [14:08] _and_ it is a bug in glib [14:08] is it going to be fixed before wily? ;-) [14:08] but the bug is not in the file monitoring code -- it's in the trashing code :) [14:08] i think i know how to fix it already [14:09] see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755335 [14:09] great [14:09] Gnome bug 755335 in Trash "Restoring from Trash doesn't work" [Normal,New] [14:09] maybe you can comment on the bug? ;-) [14:09] i commented in the dup bug :) [14:09] yeah, I didn't know you ignored Laney and commented on a duplicate ;-) [14:10] anyway seems you are on it, thanks [14:11] the docs people found the bug yesterday :) [14:12] they're running through the new release and making sure everything "works as documented" [14:12] and either filing bugs or fixing docs [14:12] wow that's pretty awesome of them [14:12] yup [14:17]