[08:30] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:28] <rmg51> Morning
[12:22] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[19:24] <WorkingTurkey1> Holt's Cigar Company is looking for an entry level PHP developer with a 1-3 years of experience to do web development. anyone looking?
[19:27] <KyleYankan> Are cigars included in the compensation?
[19:27] <WorkingTurkey1> lol
[19:27] <WorkingTurkey1> had a long ass argument about that today
[19:27] <WorkingTurkey1> we get cigars left and right
[19:27] <WorkingTurkey1> but it is not a 'perk';
[19:29] <KyleYankan> heh
[19:29] <KyleYankan> Nah, I'd rather not deal in PHP all day
[19:30] <jthan> What about cancer? Lol
[19:36] <WorkingTurkey1> cancer++
[19:36] <WorkingTurkey1> jthan--
[19:38] <KyleYankan> What about it?
[19:38] <KyleYankan> Do you not have any vices?
[19:39] <jthan> Sure. But I imagine working in a place where people smoke all day would potentially cause more stress than... you know.. someone who smokes once a week
[19:39] <WorkingTurkey1> smoking, drinking, cursing, being a filthy athiest
[19:39] <WorkingTurkey1> jthan: i smoke probably 2 cigars a week
[19:39] <KyleYankan> Yeah, no-one said chain-smoking cigars
[19:39] <jthan> RIght, but do you work there? and do people smoke at the place?
[19:42] <jthan> But also, When did I say anything about anyone's vices?!
[19:42] <WorkingTurkey1> yes... i do
[19:42] <WorkingTurkey1> and we have giant fucking ventilators and big ass AC systems
[19:42] <WorkingTurkey1> it's like asking someone who works in a kitchen if they have a fan or just sit in the smoke all day
[19:43] <jthan> I... don't think it's even a little the same, because 1) if you know how to cook there isn't smoke anyway and 2) it isn't nearly as caustic.
[19:43] <jthan> But also, I think you missed the entire point
[19:43] <jthan> and you're just getting defensive.
[19:43] <WorkingTurkey1> lol
[19:43] <WorkingTurkey1> i am bored
[19:43] <WorkingTurkey1> 1) ok
[19:44] <WorkingTurkey1> 2) really? 3rd work lung deaths are literally because of shitty ovens and stoves
[19:46] <KyleYankan> I think that's illegal
[19:46] <KyleYankan> I mean, maybe they have a smoking-area
[19:47] <WorkingTurkey1> there is in fact an exception for cigar companies in philadelphia
[19:47] <WorkingTurkey1> as well as just a few bars in the city.
[19:55] <r00t^2> jthan: to be fair, if you're smoking meat, and you have smoke, you're definitely on the path to doing it the right way. ;) see also, blackened fish
[19:56] <r00t^2> oh wait. y'all are yankees, you don't eat blackened stuff
[19:56] <jthan> r00t^2: I don't really care. The point was, I was asking if the cancer was a "perk"
[19:56] <jthan> lol
[19:56] <jthan> I guarantee someone who works at a cigar / smoke shop is more exposed to chemicals over time than someone who doesn't
[19:56] <r00t^2> no, but i bet the health insurance plan is awesome
[19:56] <jthan> and that's it
[20:00] <lazypower> well this conversation escalated quickly
[20:01] <WorkingTurkey1> jthan: i agree
[20:02] <lazypower> how is everyone?
[20:02] <lazypower> I don't think I got the pleasure of meeting any of you at fosscon :(
[20:03] <WorkingTurkey1> good, skipped fosscon this year.
[20:06] <jthan> lazypower: live across the country now
[20:06] <jthan> lol
[20:07] <lazypower> I recall that
[20:07] <lazypower> you moved to SF?
[20:07] <jthan> Boulder, CO
[20:08] <lazypower> Ah, nice. I sprint near there occasionally in Breckinridge and Dillon
[20:09] <jthan> Beautiful areas
[20:09] <lazypower> Indeed. Sprinting from a Ski Lodge is quite enjoyable
[20:10] <lazypower> they typically have a nice conference area to seat ~ 12 people. Accomplish round-table work, then go explore the local venues in the evening
[20:14] <jthan> All of the ski resorts here are awesome.
[20:14] <jthan> Have you ventured to Aspen?
[20:23] <jthan> WorkingTurkey1: Btw - I smoke cigar and pipe as well, but enjoy my time "off" between sessions to let my lungs recover :-p
[20:23] <jthan> That was not my criticism / point