[00:13] <daftykins> copying install logs O_O
[00:13] <TJ-> I used to run a 486DX-20 as a mail server, ssh server, web server and more
[00:14] <daftykins> how long ago did you retire it?
[00:14] <daftykins> ok that's 2.5hrs to install
[00:16] <daftykins> i'm typing from a VM :)
[00:16] <TJ-> Hmmm, probably around 2002
[00:17] <daftykins> waiting for the reboot atm
[00:17] <daftykins> i should've just unmounted the disk and powered down, way faster ;)
[00:25] <daftykins> haha 4MB RAM free on boot
[00:25] <daftykins> to me this proves my point, practically _any_ app post boot would be swapping
[01:20] <TJ-> It depends on what is running already though. Lots of cruft can be removed on most installs, especially GUI based.
[01:21] <daftykins> it's ok, the OS doesn't work on this laptop anymore XD
[01:21] <daftykins> on reboot it wouldn't get past the POST logo, then on a cold boot it has major graphical artefacting :)
[01:22] <TJ-> probably got a weird GPU
[01:22] <daftykins> yeah, pretty rare
[01:22] <daftykins> i did dist-upgrade though
[01:22] <TJ-> there used to be a variety but now there's only really 3 for x86 PCs
[01:22] <TJ-> matrox, S3, etc
[01:22] <daftykins> mmm hardware is my specialty
[01:23] <daftykins> impressive, now it doesn't POST
[01:24] <daftykins> i think lubuntu killed it
[01:40] <TJ-> overheated?
[01:49] <daftykins> nah
[01:50] <daftykins> though oddly some time unplugged from mains let it POST again
[01:50] <daftykins> (no battery fitted)
[01:50] <daftykins> i was just installing the b43 firmware package when the graphics went wonky again :D
[01:50] <TJ-> Sounds like dry thermal paste on the heatsinks. Older kit really does need the paste refreshing
[01:51] <daftykins> it's not even warm to the touch right now
[01:54] <TJ-> do you have your finger on the heatsink?
[01:58] <daftykins> the earlier kernel is working fine, i really don't see it being a temp issue
[02:10] <TJ-> hmmm, weird. I know i've seen about 40% of kit over 10 years old needing thermal paste replacing
[02:11] <TJ-> I'd best get off anyhow, it's 3am and I thought it was only just after midnight
[02:12] <daftykins> oops
[03:04] <pauljw> Hi everyone
[03:04] <daftykins> heya
[03:04] <pauljw> how ya doing daftykins :)
[03:05] <daftykins> mmm not bad ty, the odd slices of #ubuntu support today - how's you?
[03:06] <pauljw> doing well thx.
[03:07] <pauljw> finely got some much needed rain today, not enough, but some...
[03:08] <daftykins> ah-ha, you're not in the ravaged west coast US are you?
[03:08] <pauljw> no, southern indiana
[03:12] <daftykins> hrmm
[03:37] <pauljw> gnite all
[06:53] <lordievader> Good morning.
[14:46] <MonkeyDust> bleachbit freezes on my 14.04, that's not a good sign... bleachbit is supposed to improve performance ;)
[14:55] <lordievader> Wasn't use of bleachbit discouraged?
[15:17] <MonkeyDust> was it?
[15:17] <MonkeyDust> it's been a long time since i last used bleachbit
[15:17] <MonkeyDust> so that partly explains it, i guess
[15:18] <MonkeyDust> purged bleachbit...
[15:36] <lordievader> I thought I read that somewhere, but don't quote me on that.
[20:02] <daftykins> yeah definitely seen one or two users claiming it killed something or other
[20:03] <daftykins> but given #ubuntu is often a new user resource, you can't really tell whether that's them or the software...
[20:03] <lordievader> Hehe, more likely them :P
[20:05] <Bashing-om> Oh Boy, Holding hands in an attempt to promote our operating system of choice .
[20:06] <daftykins> :)
[20:13] <daftykins> what's the worst request you guys have had, in a 'support' style context?
[20:16] <lordievader> Today someone in #ubuntu-server, who clearly wasn't ready for server management, wanted to install phpmyadmin. It didn't work and he didn't have a clue on how to debug the problem. It ain't the worst but it is the freshest.
[20:16] <daftykins> :) sounds all too familiar
[20:17] <daftykins> at least it wasn't one of the ones that wants you to SSH in and set it all up for them
[20:18] <lordievader> Usually they offer teamviewer, I guess ssh is too advanced for many people...
[20:18] <daftykins> XD
[20:18] <lordievader> I mean setting up ssh that is way hard!
[20:18] <daftykins> yeah when they've got a server with a GUI that's already warning sign #1
[20:18] <lordievader> Ugh, those people...
[20:19] <daftykins> you must see it a lot in -server now, folks buying VPSs then installing a GUI, trying to VNC in to run minecraft servers... >_<
[20:19] <daftykins> bye bye RAM
[20:20] <lordievader> VNC must die. Just like FTP. <-- also something people still seem to use.
[20:20] <daftykins> ah yes
[20:23] <daftykins> well, a while back a client email'd to ask if i could change their homepage to google
[20:24] <lordievader> Hehe, wow.
[21:45] <MonkeyDust> even with a vm running, my laptop's temp stays under 70°C
[21:48] <TJ-> GPU or CPU?
[21:49] <TJ-> mine runs about 45C
[21:53] <daftykins> haha just assembling a new NAS with some spare old disks, both are dead
[21:53] <daftykins> 1191 pending sectors, 75 reallocated - no record breaker :)
[23:22] <Bashing-om> uys, things have come up, and I will be away from the keyboard for a spell.
[23:39] <daftykins> hope all is well