[00:24] <daftykins> 2.5hrs later, lubuntu installed and booted
[00:25] <daftykins> haha 4MB RAM free on boot
[00:25] <diddledan> yey?
[00:25] <diddledan> 4MB!!
[00:25] <diddledan> that's awesome!
[00:25] <diddledan> I wish I had 4MB
[00:41] <daftykins> 90MB free if i stop X :)
[00:41] <diddledan> who needs guis anyway
[00:42] <daftykins> ikr
[00:42] <daftykins> i essentially did all this because another helper got on my back about saying it was a waste of time supporting the suggestion to put lubuntu on a 1GHz celeron with 256MB RAM
[00:42] <daftykins> i said it would be unusable
[00:43] <diddledan> haha
[00:43] <diddledan> he must be an eejit :-p
[00:43] <daftykins> just a bit optimistic ^_^
[00:52] <daftykins> poor little thing is slugging its' guts out doing a dist-upgrade
[00:52] <diddledan> ouch
[00:53] <diddledan> I think you might need to consider euthanasia
[00:53] <daftykins> :)
[01:18] <diddledan> I wonder why I disconnected at bang-on 02:00:01
[01:20]  * daftykins whistles
[01:21] <diddledan> you didn't take me up on the euthanasia idea and kill my connection, did you?
[01:21] <daftykins> maaaaaybe, it was the closest thing!
[01:21] <diddledan> lol
[01:22] <diddledan> I think google should do one of these type of things: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Echo
[02:14] <daftykins> heeeey, interesting that says Lab126
[02:15] <daftykins> if i look at the hardware page under systeminfo, in Kodi... on the amazon FireTV, it says "HARDWARE: LAB126 BUELLER"
[02:15] <daftykins> :>
[02:15] <daftykins> coincidence as i just looked at that
[02:27] <ali12341> diddledan: every android phone is one of those type of things
[02:28] <ali12341> with M, they listen for "ok google" all the time, even when turned off (standby)
[02:29] <daftykins> you have to be really into those gimmicky features :D
[02:29] <ali12341> also, one time i installed ubuntu on a 486 with 64MB of RAM
[02:30] <ali12341> it took over an hour to boot up
[02:30] <daftykins> :)
[02:30] <daftykins> this ones screen dissolves into a mess of artefacting after a couple of minutes at the desktop
[02:30] <daftykins> someone claims it's heat but it doesn't even get that warm
[02:31] <ali12341> could be thermal expansion causing breaks in the PCB traces
[02:32] <ali12341> if the board has gone bad, it wouldn't even need to get that warm to cause problems
[07:25] <Moodoo> morning all
[07:32] <diplo> Morning Moodoo / all :)
[07:56] <Moodoo> :)
[07:59] <TwistedLucidity> We're almost halfway there, we can survive the next two-and-a-bit days!
[08:01] <Moodoo> I don't know, i want to sit at my desk and cry lol
[08:06] <davmor2> popey: I'm on 5.1 and lollipop here
[08:06] <davmor2> morning all
[08:15] <Myrtti> really don't know what to do with the new Nexuses
[08:18] <davmor2> Myrtti: flash ubuntu and have a party?
[08:19] <Myrtti> davmor2: it's not Android I'm having trouble with
[08:19] <davmor2> Myrtti: what's up
[08:19] <Myrtti> the new ones don't have Qi :-(
[08:22] <Myrtti> we've got a grand total of 7 Qi chargers now, latest two we bought from IKEA bargain corner for 18 quid just a week or so ago
[08:23] <Myrtti> well, 5 devices and 7 charging spots
[08:25] <davmor2> Myrtti: then don't buy the new ones
[08:25] <Myrtti> but new phones!
[08:25] <Myrtti> ;___;
[08:26] <Myrtti> sad trombone, I got my first Nexus in a Google event for free in 2010
[08:27] <Myrtti> we've had almost all the nexuses bar Nexus S and Q
[08:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy International Translation Day! 😃
[08:40] <davmor2> Myrtti: ha I love it, USB C offers faster charging that even wireless charging which is why it was dropped :)
[08:40] <Myrtti> davmor2: faster charging isn't the point tho
[08:40] <Myrtti> atleast for me
[08:41] <davmor2> Myrtti: no but maybe it was for google
[08:41] <Myrtti> sure, I understand that
[08:41] <Myrtti> I understand it being the reason worth dropping it for many people
[08:41] <Myrtti> it doesn't help with my lamentation over the issue
[08:42] <davmor2> JamesTait: if your school was the same as mine then this will make you smile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM0UyNqrS0o
[08:44] <davmor2> Myrtti: maybe you can buy a case for it that has the qi bits in that can charge the device via the usb c, or maybe you can create one
[08:45] <davmor2> Myrtti: not as convenient but at least all you QI chargers don't go to waste
[08:52] <davmor2> So this morning head song starts Hey Girl, Hey Boy, Super Style DJ here we go.  Yet the song is called Hey Boy Hey Girl go figure
[08:56] <JamesTait> No, davmor2., this morning's head song is now Alouette, you git. 😝
[08:57] <davmor2> JamesTait: Song for every occasion that's me :) and you're welcome for that cultural trip down memory lane :)
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:08] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:08] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm
[09:55] <davmor2> Best bumper sticker eva! http://img.odometer.com/slides/3/6/6/3/0/1/3663014249/da2ad3c17a8dde4047ef1dca50eadcc0d2bd54ca.jpeg
[09:59] <foobarry> can anyone explain electronic prescriptions?
[09:59] <foobarry> how do they work/
[10:01] <DJones> Dr types the prescription into his computer & gets sent to the nominated pharmacy
[10:02] <DJones> Presumably using a secure system rather than just email
[10:02] <foobarry> i filled out a form at the chemist, do i have to fill out a form at the docs too?
[10:02] <zmoylan-pi> or... just email :-)
[10:02] <foobarry> "Ask any pharmacy or dispensing appliance contractor that offers EPS or your GP practice to add
[10:02] <foobarry> your nomination for you. You don’t need a computer to do this."
[10:03] <foobarry> sounds like i dont need to go to doc surgery to add it
[10:03] <DJones> Chemist will probably send the form to the Dr's, I filled in a form at the doctors nominating a chemist, didn't have to do it in both places
[10:03] <foobarry> thx guys
[10:26] <diplo> Anyone use web whatsapp ? I'm not sure about it.. use Telegram most of the time but one person won't use it and I am getting fed up of picking my phone up rather than using a desktop app :)
[10:53] <zmoylan-pi> set up a vnc server on your phone and vnc into it to send the message? :-)
[10:58] <foobarry> diplo: tried it out, yeah
[11:02] <diplo> Anygood foobarry ?
[11:02] <diplo> Read it had a security vuln but that's been fixed... but you had to click a vcard to do it which I wouldn't anyway
[11:09] <foobarry> its  bit meh
[11:09] <foobarry> but so is hangouts web page
[11:14] <zmoylan-pi> run android in vm on desktop and use app in that :-)
[11:17] <diplo>  Need a number though zmoylan-pi ? As it sends a text.. I guess I could sign up to something and do that... but web sounds easier :D
[11:17] <diplo> I'll give it a go  Iguess
[11:18] <zmoylan-pi> seems crazy when you can only get a mobile app...
[11:19] <diplo> I *WILL* get them on Telegram soon
[11:19] <diplo> :D
[11:20] <diplo> Less people on different chats the better
[11:20] <zmoylan-pi> email it is...
[11:21] <foobarry> you can run 1 android app on linux
[11:21] <foobarry> through chrome
[11:21] <diplo> Considering the profession I'm in, I seriously suck at email
[11:21] <diplo> I forget to reply or read it half the time
[11:22] <Seeker> you can read email now?
[11:23] <diplo> :)
[11:24] <Seeker> when did they start letting pople do that? I've been ignoring it for almost 20 years
[12:23]  * diddledan shivers
[12:24]  * zmoylan-pi walks over diddledan's grave...
[12:24] <diddledan> Seeker: email is meant to be ignored. why else would google give you a huge storage capacity?
[12:26] <zmoylan-pi> i'll have you know i get 5mb of storage from my email provider... :-P
[12:26] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: sounds like the competition when gmail launched :-p
[12:27] <diddledan> hotmail gave you 15MB IIRC while google started out at 1GB
[12:27] <diddledan> yoohoo now offer 1TB
[12:28] <zmoylan-pi> i spent a few mins flushing out old emails in gmail to get it below 90% capacity a few weeks back
[12:42] <TwistedLucidity> You only need 15mb, but the marketing cretins insist on sending bloated HTML.
[12:43] <diddledan> http://zacklive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/apple_blueprint-1280x800.jpg
[12:43] <diddledan> teehee
[14:31] <foobarry> best cd ripper for buntu?
[14:34] <diddledan> foobarry: for music?
[14:35] <diddledan> I tend to just use the rythmbox facility
[14:38] <TwistedLucidity> Handbrake for DVDs...CDs...be interested to hear about a good one.
[14:39] <davmor2> +1 for rhythmboxs own also sound juicer is is good still
[14:40] <davmor2> cli the best is abcde
[14:40] <davmor2> dvd/bluray makemkv
[14:40] <diddledan> yeah, makemkv is good for dvd/blurry
[14:41] <Moodoo> soundjuicer is another good on
[14:46] <davmor2> foobarry: I found that abcde gave crisper mp3's than rb or soundjuicer as they both use variable bit rate even though it says 128bit etc. however if you don't care about format or quality rb or soundjuicer are way easier to setup
[14:51] <foobarry> rhythmbox doesn't work really, the sound settings are non editable
[14:51] <foobarry> there's an old bug about it
[14:51] <foobarry> might have been fixed by now
[14:52] <davmor2> foobarry: you need to install the other backends
[14:52] <foobarry> hold the line, looking for bug #
[14:52]  * foobarry plays wind pipes
[14:52] <davmor2> pan pipes
[14:53] <foobarry> #945987
[14:53] <foobarry> bug 945987
[14:53] <lubotu3`> bug 945987 in transmageddon (Ubuntu Precise) "No Settings are available in "Preferred format", only preset defaults are used" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945987
[14:53] <foobarry> Sorry to bring this up again, but despite all fixes, it still doesn't work here.
[14:53] <foobarry> Rhythmbox will ignore all settings and invariably create a quality 0.3 vorbis file, no matter what I do.
[14:54] <foobarry> unclear as to the status of that actual bug
[14:59] <foobarry> soundjuicer has no editable mp3 bitrate settings
[15:03] <foobarry> it's in rhytmbox now, wonder if this works!
[15:05] <davmor2> foobarry: worked for me in wily
[15:05] <foobarry> look at you with your wily
[15:05] <foobarry> what's a good variable bit rate setting please?
[15:05] <diddledan> davmor2: wave that wily
[15:06] <foobarry> i.e 192 constant roughly = 6 ?
[15:06] <bigcalm> That's a terribly rude name
[15:06] <diddledan> bigcalm: yes. I am struggling to remain family friendly
[15:06] <foobarry> like the hairy hardon version
[15:06] <foobarry> woops
[15:06] <davmor2> bigcalm: I agree! diddledan stop saying wave as a name ;)
[15:13] <foobarry> ogg quality settings seem to be the reverse of mp3 vbr settings !
[15:17] <foobarry> davmor2: does a CD icon appear on the left hand list in rhythmbox?
[15:17] <davmor2> foobarry: did for me
[15:19] <foobarry> ah, i had to mount it
[15:20] <foobarry> is musicbrainz still going?
[15:21] <foobarry> i never get matches. maybe i'm too obscure (i tihnk not)
[15:22] <davmor2> foobarry: I think with stream less people are buying cd and so they are not being updated as often as they were
[15:36] <diplo> foobarry: I still use freedb ?
[15:36] <diplo> cdex does a good job of it for me
[15:38] <foobarry> diplo: cdex is windows or lin?
[15:42] <diplo> Windows, but I use it in linux as well
[15:43] <diplo> Works perfectly well under Wine
[15:43] <diplo> I prefer it to a lot of the other linux apps
[15:43] <diplo> Also use mp3tag.de to fix stuff as well, also works well under wine
[15:45] <foobarry> not sure if rhythmbox allows it
[15:46] <diplo> Allows what ?
[15:46] <foobarry> anything other than musicbrainz?
[15:47] <diplo> You're changing the id3 tags I'm guessing ?
[15:47] <foobarry> some ripping apps i've used allow you to choose the db source
[15:48] <diplo> Or images to mp3's ? Sorry all I read was musicbrainz which last I heard was for tagging/name
[15:48] <diplo> Ah right, sorry these are seperate ripping programs
[15:48] <foobarry> yep, this is for tagging when i rip tem
[15:48] <diplo> Can't believe theyt don't use freedb anymore ?
[15:48] <diplo> I had so many issues with Linux progs I tried the ones I used on windows on it and never looked back
[15:48] <diplo> :/
[15:49]  * foobarry checks for a rhythmbox plugin
[15:50] <foobarry> this is the linux desktop problem
[15:50] <foobarry> no one app that does it all well
[15:50] <davmor2> foobarry: abcde
[15:50] <foobarry> not wife friendly
[15:50] <diplo> Yep, although I don't use music players to tag my stuff in windows either
[15:50] <diplo> I use specific programs that do a job well
[15:51] <foobarry> a good ripper should tag at rip time
[15:53] <davmor2> foobarry: https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Rhythmbox/Plugins/ThirdParty
[15:54] <foobarry> davmor2: thanks, i was on that page, got scared off by the cddb plugin's age, and gnome2 mentioned
[15:55] <diplo> cdex does that for me foobarry :)
[15:55] <foobarry> is it free oSS diplo ?
[15:58] <diplo> Nope :/
[15:58] <davmor2> foobarry: https://github.com/HessiJames/soundkonverter/wiki and https://github.com/HessiJames/soundkonverter/wiki/Feature%20list might be worth a look at
[15:59] <foobarry> diplo: just gon ethru 3 screens of "install this malware?"
[15:59] <foobarry> to get cdex installed
[15:59] <diddledan> yey. malware!
[15:59] <diplo> I've not installed it in years, been on this machine for 5+~ years
[16:00] <diddledan> foobarry: I hope you selected "heck yes, I want evilwares!"
[16:00] <diddledan> I really hate that to get the ask toolbar I have to download java :-(
[16:01] <foobarry> hihihih
[16:07] <Laney> things you don't hear every day
[16:07] <Azelphur> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B012VFLIOI Interesting deal, does anyone know about the prohttp://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B012VFLIOIbability of getting Ubuntu running on it?
[16:08] <Azelphur> Haha, I love the good old delayed paste if your a multi x screen user bug, can't wait to be rid of multi X screens \o/
[16:09] <bigcalm> Where do peeps go for their packs of multiple network cables these days? Looking at something like these http://www.amazon.co.uk/Multi-cable-multi-coloured-Cat5e-cables/dp/B00IO0FI2S
[16:09] <foobarry> oh hooray rhythmbox crashed already
[16:11] <davmor2> foobarry: seriously take a look at sound konvertor :)
[16:12] <foobarry> davmor2: but all those kde libs :)
[16:15] <foobarry> 200mb :(
[16:15] <diddledan> \o/
[16:16] <foobarry> hope its less ugly than cdex
[16:21] <diddledan> it's kde. of course it's ugly.
[16:26] <foobarry> at least it matches CD tracks \o/
[16:29]  * TwistedLucidity quite likes KDE; just wish Plasma 5 was more stable.
[16:35] <foobarry> davmor2: do you use this soundkonverter regularly?
[16:36] <foobarry> seems to have good array of features
[16:36] <foobarry> wondering what "high" mp3 means. doesn't explain VBR etc
[16:36] <davmor2> foobarry: Not at all I was looking for a gui app that had the features of abcde that was top of the list
[16:53] <foobarry> does amazon prime streaming have anything good?
[16:55] <foobarry> seems to be old tat that i would never dream of watching if it was on freeview
[17:06] <davmor2> foobarry: http://www.stuff.tv/features/netflix-vs-amazon-vs-now-tv-battle-streaming-services
[17:09] <foobarry> realised i only have 3 weeks left of the trial :S
[20:01] <diddledan> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2tupvuhukn0n2iv/Screenshot%202015-09-30%2021.01.20.png?dl=0
[20:01] <diddledan> teehee
[20:08] <zmoylan-pi> but the big javascript book will prop up a wobbly sofa... :-)
[20:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[20:52] <zleap> hi
[20:52] <diddledan> allo
[20:53] <daftykins> \o
[20:54] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[20:55] <daftykins> oy, setting up a new synology 2 bay NAS but it's beginning to seem like perhaps the disks aren't as healthy as they seem...
[21:03] <diddledan> daftykins: throw it at the wall and try again
[21:05] <daftykins> :)
[21:07] <zmoylan-pi> tried that approach with a nokia once... damaged the wall...
[21:12] <bigcalm> Given a hashed password from /etc/shadow, how easy is it to crack?
[21:13] <diddledan> bigcalm: hard
[21:13] <diddledan> bigcalm: you need to brute-force it
[21:13] <zmoylan-pi> do you have access to a lump hammer and the person who's password it is? :-P
[21:13] <bigcalm> Hard enough for it to be okay to store hashed passwords in a private git repo?
[21:15] <daftykins> isn't this one of those situations where someone could spin up an amazon instance to throw lots of work at it, if they cared enough - paying only a few pence for the time?
[21:15] <bigcalm> I'm provisioning some servers. If I store the password hashes, I can automate the user creation as well
[21:15] <popey> phew
[21:16]  * popey is pooped
[21:16] <bigcalm> Better than being poped
[21:16] <diddledan> popey: wb
[21:17] <popey> long day is long
[21:19] <daftykins> oh dear, and the culprit shows itself on delaying a desktop machines POST and boot...
[21:19] <daftykins> now to use the high tech piece of hardware - the ear - to pick the winner
[21:19] <diddledan> o_O
[21:21] <zmoylan-pi> i always found that resting hand on drive would let you feel the heads move.  handy in noisy environment.  good old vulcan drive meld :-)
[21:21] <daftykins> :D
[21:21] <daftykins> weird, the other one is still preventing boot
[21:21]  * diddledan melds with his computer
[21:22] <zmoylan-pi> and remember... my drive to your drive, your drive to my drive...
[21:22]  * diddledan is liquid metal
[21:23]  * diddledan makes a stabby finger
[21:27] <daftykins> holy moly this thing is still in warranty
[21:27] <daftykins> recertified on the 22nd may 2012 :D
[21:28] <diddledan> \o/ RMA
[21:28] <daftykins> it's itself a replacement
[21:32] <zmoylan-pi> the nas went back the very next year... ♪ ♫
[21:33] <daftykins> ah the unit was diskless thankfully, this was trying to put some old ones from that WD unit into a synology
[21:45] <daftykins> oh ok the other one is toast too 8D
[21:45] <daftykins> 1191 pending sectors, 75 reallocated
[21:45] <daftykins> diddledan: i am the disk reaper
[21:46] <zmoylan-pi> yay, i shall walk through the data recovery lab and i shall fear no data loss as i have 2 reliable backups
[21:48] <daftykins> only 2!?
[21:48] <daftykins> aww this other disk has no warranty
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> of the unimportant replaceable stuff... more of the important stuff
[21:59] <directhex> my phone is off for RMA
[21:59] <directhex> wonder if they'll piss & moan about liquid damage
[22:00] <daftykins> did you get annoyed and drown it? :)
[22:01] <daftykins> directhex + arsenip - someone purporting to be an old quakenet-er identified me yesterday, spoke of hanging out with arc and Rys over on some other server O_O
[22:02] <daftykins> i'm nipping up to England again on the 8th btw folks, if anyone is on the path between Gatwick airport, Hatfield and Brighton