| Unit193 | thafreak: So, Docker, juju (not quite the same), lxc, and any others I'm forgetting? | 00:38 |
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| thafreak | Unit193: other what? Those are all tools with some things in common, but not normally all lumped together | 01:37 |
| thafreak | Like docker can use lxc | 01:37 |
| thafreak | juju is a provisioning thing, which I've never really used | 01:38 |
| thafreak | libcontainer, runc, lxc, openvz those all more or less go together i would say | 01:39 |
| Unit193 | Ah, I see. | 01:39 |
| thafreak | juju belongs more with things like puppet, chef, ansible, and saltstack | 01:39 |
| Unit193 | Was going loosely, as I've not played with them. | 01:40 |
| thafreak | what are you looking for? I just started reading about otto today | 01:40 |
| thafreak | otto is by the people who made vagrant, and it's what they're deeming as it's successor | 01:41 |
| thafreak | and it seems pretty neat, although it does a little too much for you. | 01:41 |
| thafreak | I get weirded out when some tool is doing things that I don't know how or why or what it's doing and can't do them manually | 01:41 |
| Unit193 | More just looking at the things to see what I'd like to poke, though of course not looking interestedly at juju. | 01:42 |
| thafreak | If you're looking for something to mess around with on linux, I would just look at docker and maybe docker compose | 01:42 |
| Unit193 | docker or lxc are the "hip" ones, and the latter may be interesting. | 01:43 |
| Unit193 | Basically, chroots you can "start" | 01:43 |
| thafreak | yeah, juju is kind of like if you combine docker, docker-compose, docker-machine together | 01:43 |
| thafreak | yeah, i started down the lxc road, but more or less abandonded it | 01:43 |
| thafreak | I didn't like how from inside an lxc container it didn't feel enough like a separate machine | 01:44 |
| Unit193 | Ah, well will look into it still I guess, but maybe not poke too much. | 01:44 |
| thafreak | for example, if you bind mounted a directory from the host to inside the lxc container, you still saw the host path in the container's mount output | 01:45 |
| thafreak | it's fine if you're just doing like package building/testing i would say, which is your interest correct? | 01:45 |
| thafreak | But so is docker, and docker is really much simpler to work with | 01:46 |
| thafreak | From a security stand point, like running containers to host stuff in my DMZ, I don't really like any of them | 01:46 |
| Unit193 | I use pbuilder/chroots for building, though I do need to use an amd64 ubuntu host to chroot in or something to amd64 stretch/sid to live-build something, when I get the motivation. ;P | 01:47 |
| thafreak | unless the host running the containers is also in the dmz, then i guess it doesn't matter | 01:47 |
| thafreak | ah yeah | 01:47 |
| thafreak | it's easier to just go with an amd64 host these days and use containers to run anything 32bit | 01:47 |
| Unit193 | My Debian host is i386, so I've done a few of those with the ISO, but I really need to get an amd64 one uploaded. | 01:47 |
| Unit193 | Meh, in this case, old hardware so no-go. | 01:48 |
| thafreak | yeah, that sucks | 01:48 |
| thafreak | the only real nice thing about 64bit hardware is it's more flexible. Can run either system in a container/chroot | 01:49 |
| Unit193 | But anywho, was thinking more to poke than actual help me on that project. | 01:49 |
| thafreak | ah... | 01:50 |
| thafreak | i would say docker is a bit more versatile right now. | 01:50 |
| Unit193 | And since you'd mentioned them... Got a few good pointers out of this. | 01:50 |
| thafreak | it's REALLY easy to install and just play with | 01:51 |
| thafreak | lxc the last time i used it, the tools to manage the containers weren't as nice | 01:51 |
| thafreak | plus docker has this registry, so you can download all kinds of stuff with a single pull command | 01:52 |
| thafreak | right now I'm fascinated with alpine linux...and am seeing wht all packages it has | 01:53 |
| thafreak | It's using musl libc | 01:54 |
| Unit193 | I do stuff with Debian packaging, such that it's harder to move away from a debian base. | 01:54 |
| Unit193 | I mean, doesn't everyone have a supplimental repo of their own these days? :P | 01:54 |
| thafreak | oh, I'm running debian jessie, but I have docker installed and I play with alpine in docker | 01:54 |
| thafreak | Yeah, I've been meaning to set up my own supplimental repo...sadly I just don't have the time to invest lately | 01:55 |
| Unit193 | (Meanwhile, I stay far away from Stable.) | 01:55 |
| thafreak | oh, ha, you on sid? | 01:56 |
| Unit193 | Even with Ubuntu current, development, or testing/unstable I need more. Well, no desktop is, but I do have a headless host/server on stretch. | 01:56 |
| Unit193 | (I'm an Xubuntu developer, so I tend to run it after all. :P ) | 01:57 |
| Unit193 | bbiab. | 01:57 |
| thafreak | ah, I'm down to basically just my laptop that I upgraded, and well, a server running VM's with KVM/libvirt for all my server needs | 01:57 |
| thafreak | np, I'm heading upstairs for the night anyway. I'll be lurking more tomorrow though | 01:58 |
| belkinsa | http://senseopenness.com/change-of-plans/ Sorry, I can't make it to OLF. | 11:48 |
| jenni | [ Change Of Plans… | Sense of Openness ] - https://j.mp/1KRfs6s | 11:48 |
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| dzho | I think I have A Plan for the OLF trip, more or less. | 22:20 |
| dzho | going to shoot for getting to the Mayfield Heights Microcenter on the way down Friday. | 22:20 |
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