[00:38] <Unit193> thafreak: So, Docker, juju (not quite the same), lxc, and any others I'm forgetting?
[01:37] <thafreak> Unit193: other what? Those are all tools with some things in common, but not normally all lumped together
[01:37] <thafreak> Like docker can use lxc
[01:38] <thafreak> juju is a provisioning thing, which I've never really used
[01:39] <thafreak> libcontainer, runc, lxc, openvz those all more or less go together i would say
[01:39] <Unit193> Ah, I see.
[01:39] <thafreak> juju belongs more with things like puppet, chef, ansible, and saltstack
[01:40] <Unit193> Was going loosely, as I've not played with them.
[01:40] <thafreak> what are you looking for? I just started reading about otto today
[01:41] <thafreak> otto is by the people who made vagrant, and it's what they're deeming as it's successor
[01:41] <thafreak> and it seems pretty neat, although it does a little too much for you.
[01:41] <thafreak> I get weirded out when some tool is doing things that I don't know how or why or what it's doing and can't do them manually
[01:42] <Unit193> More just looking at the things to see what I'd like to poke, though of course not looking interestedly at juju.
[01:42] <thafreak> If you're looking for something to mess around with on linux, I would just look at docker and maybe docker compose
[01:43] <Unit193> docker or lxc are the "hip" ones, and the latter may be interesting.
[01:43] <Unit193> Basically, chroots you can "start"
[01:43] <thafreak> yeah, juju is kind of like if you combine docker, docker-compose, docker-machine together
[01:43] <thafreak> yeah, i started down the lxc road, but more or less abandonded it
[01:44] <thafreak> I didn't like how from inside an lxc container it didn't feel enough like a separate machine
[01:44] <Unit193> Ah, well will look into it still I guess, but maybe not poke too much.
[01:45] <thafreak> for example, if you bind mounted a directory from the host to inside the lxc container, you still saw the host path in the container's mount output
[01:45] <thafreak> it's fine if you're just doing like package building/testing i would say, which is your interest correct?
[01:46] <thafreak> But so is docker, and docker is really much simpler to work with
[01:46] <thafreak> From a security stand point, like running containers to host stuff in my DMZ, I don't really like any of them
[01:47] <Unit193> I use pbuilder/chroots for building, though I do need to use an amd64 ubuntu host to chroot in or something to amd64 stretch/sid to live-build something, when I get the motivation. ;P
[01:47] <thafreak> unless the host running the containers is also in the dmz, then i guess it doesn't matter
[01:47] <thafreak> ah yeah
[01:47] <thafreak> it's easier to just go with an amd64 host these days and use containers to run anything 32bit
[01:47] <Unit193> My Debian host is i386, so I've done a few of those with the ISO, but I really need to get an amd64 one uploaded.
[01:48] <Unit193> Meh, in this case, old hardware so no-go.
[01:48] <thafreak> yeah, that sucks
[01:49] <thafreak> the only real nice thing about 64bit hardware is it's more flexible. Can run either system in a container/chroot
[01:49] <Unit193> But anywho, was thinking more to poke than actual help me on that project.
[01:50] <thafreak> ah...
[01:50] <thafreak> i would say docker is a bit more versatile right now.
[01:50] <Unit193> And since you'd mentioned them...  Got a few good pointers out of this.
[01:51] <thafreak> it's REALLY easy to install and just play with
[01:51] <thafreak> lxc the last time i used it, the tools to manage the containers weren't as nice
[01:52] <thafreak> plus docker has this registry, so you can download all kinds of stuff with a single pull command
[01:53] <thafreak> right now I'm fascinated with alpine linux...and am seeing wht all packages it has
[01:54] <thafreak> It's using musl libc
[01:54] <Unit193> I do stuff with Debian packaging, such that it's harder to move away from a debian base.
[01:54] <Unit193> I mean, doesn't everyone have a supplimental repo of their own these days? :P
[01:54] <thafreak> oh, I'm running debian jessie, but I have docker installed and I play with alpine in docker
[01:55] <thafreak> Yeah, I've been meaning to set up my own supplimental repo...sadly I just don't have the time to invest lately
[01:55] <Unit193> (Meanwhile, I stay far away from Stable.)
[01:56] <thafreak> oh, ha, you on sid?
[01:56] <Unit193> Even with Ubuntu current, development, or testing/unstable I need more.  Well, no desktop is, but I do have a headless host/server on stretch.
[01:57] <Unit193> (I'm an Xubuntu developer, so I tend to run it after all. :P )
[01:57] <Unit193> bbiab.
[01:57] <thafreak> ah, I'm down to basically just my laptop that I upgraded, and well, a server running VM's with KVM/libvirt for all my server needs
[01:58] <thafreak> np, I'm heading upstairs for the night anyway. I'll be lurking more tomorrow though
[11:48] <belkinsa> http://senseopenness.com/change-of-plans/ Sorry, I can't make it to OLF.
[11:48] <jenni> [ Change Of Plans… | Sense of Openness ] - https://j.mp/1KRfs6s
[22:20] <dzho> I think I have A Plan for the OLF trip, more or less.
[22:20] <dzho> going to shoot for getting to the Mayfield Heights Microcenter on the way down Friday.