[00:00] <_codepoet> looking like 1:2.3.2-2ubuntu1 is there
[00:00] <TJ-> _codepoet: because trusty has a later version of the audit package, which has added it
[00:00] <mustmodify> I have two machines which, other than graphics cards, are exactly similar. The one with the graphics card is running WIndows 10. The other Ubuntu (onboard graphics.) I installed extra RAM in both, leaving 24 GB in each. Both had problems initially until I upgraded the BIOS version to latest. The windows machine now seems fine. The linux machine restarts intermittently. syslog doesn't seem to say anything helpful as it goes down. I don't know what to make
[00:01] <agliodbs> Jordan_U: capturing debug outpu
[00:01] <daftykins> mustmodify: what to make...?
[00:01] <TJ-> _codepoet: I'm pulling in the upstream svn repo (to git) to find out which release added the symbol
[00:01] <mustmodify> daftykins: ???
[00:02] <mustmodify> oh
[00:02] <daftykins> mustmodify: was there more to that message?
[00:02] <_codepoet> TJ-: sure enough, _S(303, "name_to_handle_at")
[00:02] <mustmodify> I don't know what to make of the messages as it comes up. Any thoughts about how to troubleshoot?
[00:02] <_codepoet> _S(304, "open_by_handle_at")
[00:02] <_codepoet> _S(305, "clock_adjtime")
[00:02] <agliodbs> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.com/HbVQtAuy
[00:02] <mustmodify> sorry, my client cuts me off sometimes. :(
[00:02] <_codepoet> bah, multi line again. Apologies everyone
[00:02] <agliodbs> and no file /var/log/patroni.log is created
[00:02] <daftykins> mustmodify: np, common. are these systems that are meant to have up to 32GB RAM fine?
[00:02] <_codepoet> alright, well I think this will be definitive proof that the issue is with the client
[00:03] <mustmodify> daftykins: they max out at 32.
[00:03] <agliodbs> I think this is the issue: main process (17522) exited normally
[00:03] <mustmodify> sorry
[00:03] <mustmodify> yes
[00:03] <TJ-> _codepoet: yes. You could build a later version of the package that includes the correct symbols
[00:03] <mustmodify> The have three 8gb sticks instead of 4.
[00:03] <daftykins> mustmodify: are they both on the same updated BIOS now?
[00:03] <agliodbs> somehow I'm getting a handoff to another process?
[00:03] <daftykins> three, mmm that's less than ideal
[00:03] <mustmodify> yes
[00:03] <korsakof_> mustmodify: if they are exactly the same, I would switch harddisk to test if it is a hardware issue... Maybe the RAM
[00:04] <daftykins> mustmodify: does it function ok with just two?
[00:04] <daftykins> i'd only like two or four personally, for matched dual channel operation
[00:04] <mustmodify> daftykins: hm... it worked fine with one.
[00:04] <mustmodify> I don't guess I've tried two.
[00:05] <daftykins> and i take it memtest can go all day without issue?
[00:05] <mustmodify> daftykins: I was just trying to run a memory test. Can't find one in my BIOS which is werid.
[00:06] <TJ-> _codepoet: I must say I'm surprised; having the symbols hard-coded makes auditd very brittle since it needs to be kept tightly in-step with the kernel. It'd be better to do a dynamic name check via /proc/kallsyms
[00:06] <daftykins> mustmodify: you likely wouldn't, bootable memtest86+ is ideal
[00:06] <mustmodify> daftykins: I read something about pressing shift and seeing that come up but I didn't have that as an option.
[00:06] <_codepoet> TJ-: I agree! I assumed it inherited from the kernel headers , but that’s what I get for assuming,. Also check your PMs please
[00:07] <mustmodify> daftykins: So I guess I'll try to figure out how to make that work.
[00:07] <daftykins> mustmodify: mmm usually should be under advanced on the GRUB menu, you could grab an ISO direct otherwise
[00:07] <tachibana> I am 100% lost
[00:08] <tachibana> aptonCD is just the complete worst backup utility ever
[00:08] <tachibana> =[
[00:08] <muka_> why I can "ntfs-3g ....." but can't "mount -t ntfs-3g ..." ?
[00:09] <daftykins> tachibana: i don't even consider it backup
[00:09] <_denis_> tachibana what do you need?
[00:09] <daftykins> muka_: it's just been 'ntfs' for years
[00:09] <tachibana> what backup is good again? remastersys?
[00:10] <daftykins> i don't think you mean backup, i think you're trying to make some kind of weird "install my distro with the packages i use from the get-go" method
[00:10] <maxtimbo> daftykins, I altered my fstab. Did I do it wrong? http://pastebin.com/8zxiBQdc
[00:10] <mustmodify> daftykins: ok I have grub version 2.02~beta2~9ubuntu1 so I should be able to get memtest86+ to work with that, shouldn't I?
[00:10] <daftykins> maxtimbo: yes, because none of those exist
[00:11] <_denis_> remastersys works pretty well in my experience but it backup a distro, not data
[00:11] <daftykins> mustmodify: yep maybe check if it's installed even
[00:11] <daftykins> mustmodify: "dpkg -l | grep memtest"
[00:11] <maxtimbo> daftykins, they are files within the hdd
[00:11] <TJ-> _codepoet: I've found it in the upstream, the commit that introduced it: "593acd8b (sgrubb 2011-06-25 15:25:46 +0000 327) _S(304, "open_by_handle_at")"
[00:12] <daftykins> maxtimbo: you essentially ignored all the advice from earlier and carried on with that guide you found
[00:12] <TJ-> _codepoet: I have PMs disabled (/umode +g)
[00:12] <maxtimbo> daftykins, I thought I was taking your advice -_-
[00:12] <maxtimbo> I did it wrong
[00:12] <daftykins> maxtimbo: not even vaguely
[00:13] <maxtimbo> Well now I feel nice and dumb.
[00:13] <Glouglou> mustmodify: I think that the ubuntu livecd has the memtest
[00:14] <_codepoet> TJ-: ah, well, I was going to send you a token of apprciation and need an email to do so!
[00:14] <mustmodify> The memory test isn't available because of the following: "We need 16-bit boot, which isn't available on EFI"
[00:15] <daftykins> hmm
[00:16] <mustmodify> So I have a super-awesome system. I can't believe there is anything here that is substandard.
[00:16] <mustmodify> Maybe I have something configured wrong?
[00:16] <Glouglou> mustmodify: you cannot disable efi and use legacy when you boot on the cd?
[00:16] <TJ-> _codepoet: no worries, we come here to be tested :)
[00:16] <_codepoet> TJ-: what you’ve given me is perfect. I can just point to the table in verion 1.7 and the one in 2.x and be like ‘see? not our problem’
[00:16] <mustmodify> Glouglou: tell me more about that.
[00:16] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: That message isn't about anything being substandard (except possibly memtest86+ for still not supporting UEFI :)
[00:17] <mustmodify> Jordan_U: Oh, I read it backwards.
[00:17] <maxtimbo> daftykins, you said:  "mount it in fstab then make the symlinks" so I first mounted the drive with fstab
[00:17] <mustmodify> Need 16, possibly have > 16.
[00:17] <mustmodify> duh
[00:17] <daftykins> maxtimbo: where? i don't see it in there
[00:17] <TJ-> _codepoet: I'm disappointed it wasn't kept up to date. That's part of the problem with packages in Universe though, they're not core, not in the 'main' pocket, so its up to interested volunteers to maintain them
[00:17] <daftykins> oh now i do, i should try opening my eyes
[00:18] <maxtimbo> It's the first line
[00:18] <_codepoet> TJ-: necessity is the mother of all invention, and I guess no one really needed that syscall
[00:18] <TJ-> _codepoet: audit is a RedHat package too, so it's not so important on Debian/Ubuntu
[00:18] <_codepoet> or maybe they did and just monkey patched thosr constants
[00:18] <daftykins> maxtimbo: ok so get rid of all your bind mount directory crap
[00:18] <TJ-> _codepoet: you could quickly patch in those missing syscalls into an updated package
[00:18] <daftykins> maxtimbo: they just need to be symlinked on disk, no need for all that
[00:18] <_codepoet> tj-: anyway I’d like to shoot you a thank you via http://www.giftly.com , but I neeed an email to do it. If you don’t want to give me one, I understand, but just understand I will feel indebted to you for a long time if not
[00:19] <maxtimbo> daftykins, so I did, at least vaguely, follow directions...
[00:19] <daftykins> maxtimbo: not quite.
[00:19] <TJ-> _codepoet: hang on a mo
[00:19] <_codepoet> ok
[00:22] <Glouglou> mustmodify: sometimes in the bios you can disable EFI boot. Disable EFI will allow you to boot the livecd and do the test
[00:22] <onezuff> how can i start learning about email servers?
[00:23] <daftykins> onezuff: try setting one up
[00:23] <nemith> run your own
[00:23] <onezuff> what do i need to use? postmail ?
[00:23] <onezuff> sendmail*?
[00:23] <nemith> sendmail.. in case you lose your root password and you need back into your server
[00:24] <daftykins> you might want to research a bit around to answer that
[00:24] <nemith> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer <-- may help
[00:25] <_codepoet> TJ-: kicks ass. Thanks so much for your help. Goodnight all!
[00:25] <mustmodify> Glouglou: ok I'll check it out.
[00:25] <onezuff> sendmail or postfix?
[00:26] <Glouglou> brb
[00:29] <Jordan_U> !memtester | mustmodify
[00:29] <Jordan_U> !info memtester | mustmodify
[00:30] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: That will allow you to check your memory from within a booted Ubuntu system. It's technically not able to check *all* of RAM, because the kernel is taking up some RAM and doesn't like being moved, but it should catch most memory problems.
[00:32] <mustmodify> Glouglou: ok I have two options in "Boot mode select": "Legacy+UEFI" or "UEFI" so I guess disabling it is out.
[00:32] <mustmodify> (and I already have the first one selected.)
[00:33] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: memtest86+ can unfortunately sometimes give false positives when booted via CSM on UEFI hardware. I'd recommend either memtester or a UEFI based memory tester (though I'm not aware of any such memory tester that is Free software).
[00:34] <mustmodify> here's what Ubuntu writes to the log on startup. Anyone able to glance through this for me to see if anything sticks out? https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/0fa59bfa323fabc1bc1e
[00:37] <daftykins> mustmodify: it speaks of a BIOS 1.11, yet the website for the MSI 7759 speaks of 1.B being the latest?
[00:37] <mustmodify> hex B = decimal 11
[00:38] <daftykins> but are you sure that's the latest? i wouldn't expect such conversion but i guess it could be.
[00:39] <daftykins> still seems to be 2013 :)
[00:39] <mustmodify> I wouldn't either. I asked on some other linux channel... they sneered at me and said it seemed right. But I'd be happy to dig further.
[00:40] <daftykins> well, you can still download a memtest ISO, throw it on a flash drive and boot that drive legacy.
[00:43] <mustmodify> what does this mean? https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/0fa59bfa323fabc1bc1e#file-gistfile1-txt-L1067-L1072
[00:44] <daftykins> i don't think it bears any relevance
[00:44] <mustmodify> ok
[00:49] <Glouglou> mustmodify: did you try to boot the livecd in legacy mode? you dvd should be list under 2 entry, legacy and uefi...
[00:50] <daftykins> mustmodify: you got the latest firmware on that intel SSD?
[00:53] <tb_> sss
[00:53] <tb_> 怎么
[00:53] <daftykins> tb_: english only
[00:56] <mustmodify> daftykins: no, I haven't updated the firmware on the ssd, but I wasn't having issues before I installed the ram... I can give it a shot.
[00:56] <daftykins> nah too vague
[00:57] <daftykins> i don't see any point in doing anything other than pursuing the memtest angle
[00:58] <mustmodify> well I will try to boot from the CD and get the memtest86 thing going.
[01:01] <Glouglou> mustmodify: if it does not work, maybe you could google on the error "*BAD*gran_size" found in your syslog. good luck
[01:09] <badkitty> kitty
[01:09] <badkitty> I'm a Ubuntu person
[01:09] <bazhang> !ask | badkitty
[01:12] <mustmodify> What's the process for updating the drivers for my nic card?
[01:12] <daftykins> ...what does that have to do with memtest?
[01:13] <mustmodify> I'm watching the LiveCD download at the speed of like 0 per second.
[01:14] <mustmodify> seriously it's like 1k / s
[01:14] <mustmodify> and since it's sister machine can download at like 5mbps I'm thinking that's not right.
[01:14] <mustmodify> sure sure, it could be the server.
[01:14] <mustmodify> the remote server
[01:14] <mustmodify> I just thought I would ask.
[01:15] <daftykins> try another mirror
[01:15] <daftykins> or torrent it instead
[01:16] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: Why are you downloading a LiveCD? If it's for memtest86+, then why have you (seemingly) ignored my messages to you about using memtester instead?
[01:16] <mustmodify> Jordan_U: Just got a bunch of suggestions and had to pick one.
[01:16] <mustmodify> Oh
[01:17] <mustmodify> and I got an error when installing memtester
[01:17] <RB2> Hi, I can't find the init script for vsftpd
[01:17] <mustmodify> though actually it's working now
[01:17] <mustmodify> here it is: "Package linux-signed-image-generic is not configured yet. "
[01:18] <lamba> if unattended-upgrades has been running (according to the logfile) but the kernel hasn't been updated (not installed, not just not rebooted onto it), is there an obvious place to look ? I couldn't find any evidence of apt pinning on it or such, though i'm more centos savvy then ubuntu.
[01:22] <wileee> lamba, desktop, server, end goal?
[01:24] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: You said "though it's working now". Does that mean you're currently running memtester?
[01:25] <daftykins> looks like package management issues
[01:26] <mustmodify> Jordan_U: No, I thought it was working but then it failed.
[01:26] <mustmodify> Jordan_U: so I'm tracking that down now.
[01:26] <mustmodify> "Package linux-signed-image-3.13.0-65-generic is not configured yet"
[01:29] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: Please pastebin the full output of "sudo apt-get install memtester".
[01:30] <mustmodify> Jordan_U: Now I really have it installed. :)
[01:31] <mustmodify> but I'm trying to figure out the correct parameters.
[01:31] <mustmodify> Shouldn't it just assume I want to test all the available memory? I mean, if I say, test 2GB, which 2GB will be tested? Crazy.
[01:34] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: Due to it running in userland it doesn't (safely) have knowledge of which physical areas of memory linux is giving it.
[01:35] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: If you use a large value it should test most of your RAM. For example, you could close most other applications and pass as much RAM as you have free.
[01:36] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: For example, close all other apps, run "free -G", look at the number second down under "Free", and pass that like "sudo memtester nnG" where "nn" is the number of GiB free you have on your system (including space currently used for caching only).
[01:37] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: Note that this will likely make your system perform poorly while memetester is running.
[01:38] <lamba> wileee: server
[01:39] <lamba> wileee: its not a server i've touche before, but it's on our network. we just noticed it was on an old kernel and it appears that while everything else has been installed, the kernel wasn't getting updated
[01:41] <teward> lamba: kernel might need manual intervention (because it'll need rebooted to take effect), not 100% sure though
[01:42] <lamba> Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "true";
[01:42] <lamba> so i thought it would.
[01:42] <lamba> Automatic-Reboot-Time is 02:00.
[01:46] <wileee> lamba, standard cli is dist-upgrade for kernels, not sure in this context.
[01:46] <metrostation> hi
[01:47] <liquidsnake> hello
[01:47] <metrostation> how can I install and configure a smtp server on ubuntu
[01:48] <lamba> yeah me either. kind of hoping someone in #ubuntu might know the 'this is what's meant to happen'. so i guess the question is does unattended-upgrades do kernels normally ? maybe it doesn't ?
[01:49] <TJ-> lamba: you say the kernel version was older than the current published version? Is the "linux-generic" package installed (sorry if you've already answered; I've only just looked in)
[01:51] <lamba> dpkg --get-selections | grep -i linux-generic dosen't show it
[01:52] <lapinozz> is there a way to extract a file of any type? (i found unp and dtrx but i cant choose in what folder to extract)
[01:52] <TJ-> lamba: the way the kernels stay up-to-date is that the linux-generic package Depends on the current version
[01:53] <fear> I have a quick question, I'm running ubuntu mate on raspberry pi with 32gb of storage but it only seems to see 4gb worth, can I expand this in anyway?
[01:53] <lamba> TJ-: oh. so without that, it wont auto-update. interesting
[01:53] <TJ-> lamba: assuming the system is using the -generic flavour, not -lowlatency, then "sudo apt-get install linux-generic" should fix it
[01:53] <daftykins> fear: #ubuntu-arm might be useful
[01:54] <TJ-> lamba it is possible that package was removed deliberately to maintain the system on a particular version
[01:55] <fear> daftykins I'll try that, it makes sense since it's a arm processor :)
[01:56] <lamba> TJ-: yeah it is possible. It's also possible an engineer did it by being an idiot. Knowing this place, i know where my money is going.
[01:56] <TJ-> lamba: got to be a very deliberate step to remove the package. You could check when it happened in the /var/log/apt/ logs
[02:00] <lamba> thanks. super useful information.
[02:00] <lapinozz> is there a way to extract a file of any type? (i found unp and dtrx but i cant choose in what folder to extract)
[02:04] <tb__> j
[02:05] <LambdaComplex> lapinozz: I think 7zip supports most things
[02:05] <lapinozz> can i use it from terminal?
[02:07] <LambdaComplex> Yep
[02:07] <lapinozz> can i install it from repo?
[02:08] <LambdaComplex> Should be the p7zip package
[02:09] <lapinozz> p7zip dosnt let me choose where to extract
[02:09] <aarobc> Anyone do video editing on ubuntu? What software do you use?
[02:09] <lapinozz> what kind of editing?
[02:09] <lapinozz> for montage i used Pitivi
[02:09] <LambdaComplex> lapinozz: Hm, is file roller installed?
[02:09] <lapinozz> nautilus?
[02:10] <lapinozz> yes
[02:10] <lapinozz> didnt think of that, thx :)
[02:13] <razrlele> hi~
[02:14] <wafflejock1> hello razrlele
[02:15] <wafflejock1> aarobc: kdenlive is decent
[02:17] <wafflejock1> aarobc: for live streaming stuff OBS is cross platform and works pretty well in my limited experience with it, can feed in multiple inputs from different cameras or load in image or video overlays, doesn't handle animated transitions easily but pretty nice anyway if you want to do something live streaming to YouTube or something
[02:18] <aarobc> wafflejock1: looks nice, haven't tried this one yet. Tried blender and a few other ones I didn't like, hopefully this does the trick
[02:18] <wafflejock1> aarobc: one last option I've heard other people use is Blender, have only used it for basic 3d modeling and animation but apparently it can be used as a regular 2D video editor as well
[02:18] <wafflejock1> hmm k gotcha
[02:19] <designbybeck> Orca screen reading settings,under Settings, is it missing some options? Is there a way to show more?
[02:34] <redban> hi, I need help
[02:34] <redban> firefox won't play mp3 files
[02:34] <redban> i have installed ubuntu-restricted-extra
[02:35] <redban> anyone?
[02:35] <redban> any ideas?
[02:36] <daftykins> redban: so it only offers to download them?
[02:36] <daftykins> gotta be honest, why do you want a browser to play mp3?
[02:36] <Xff> install audio codecs
[02:36] <Xff> vlc etc
[02:38] <redban> i have installed ubntu-restricted-extras. what other codecs do I have to install?
[02:40] <daftykins> redban: you didn't respond
[02:41] <redban> no it doesn't even offer to download them . just audio cannot be played error
[02:42] <redban> when I do "about:plugins" I don't see audio plugins
[02:42] <daftykins> there wouldn't be
[02:42] <redban> sorry for fromating,
[03:02] <mustmodify> Jordan_U: So when I run 'memtester 32G 3' all I get is a ton of lines like this: got  21080MB (22104727552 bytes), trying mlock ...too many pages, reducing...
[03:03] <Geom> hi
[03:03] <Geom> hi
[03:03] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: Do you have 32 GiB of memory *free*?
[03:06] <mustmodify> Jordan_U: no, but it does the same thing with 5G
[03:06] <mustmodify> which I do have free.
[03:07] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: Are you using 32 bit Ubuntu rather than 64 bit?
[03:14] <mustmodify> Jordan_U: nope, 64
[03:21] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: Does 3 GiB work?
[03:22] <mustmodify> 100M doesn't work
[03:24] <Jordan_U> mustmodify: Did you run memtester as root?
[03:25] <n_blownapart> hi anyone know why I can't install vagrant on ubuntu ? I tried the cli and through a browser.
[03:35] <mustmodify> Jordan_U: d'Oh! That was it.
[03:35] <mustmodify> I would swear I had been doing that. Apparently not.
[03:46] <Twirl> Hi, why everytime i turn on my computer the sound is back at 100%?
[03:47] <axg> just got a new printer. Are there drivers for epson printers for linux?
[03:49] <whologin> Any chance of a multi-arch for ubuntu?
[03:51] <designbybeck> How do certs work locally? or do they in Ubuntu. I am trying to connect to a school FTP server. It works sometimes, and sometimes it doesn't with FileZilla and FireFTP
[03:51] <designbybeck> My settings haven't changed on my end
[03:52] <designbybeck> but I did restart since the last time I connected to that server. I don't know if it is up/down, or what the problem is, but I just know it is hit and miss
[03:52] <designbybeck> just didn't know if it was something on my Ubuntu 14.04 64bit side
[03:52] <designbybeck> i had to restart my modem and router recently as well
[03:55] <daftykins> designbybeck: read the log messaages, it should be pretty obvious what changes
[03:56] <designbybeck> yeah that is what is weird daftykins... nothing has change on my settings, but it says 530 use cannot log in
[03:56] <designbybeck> and looks like this is a microsoft server daftykins: <!doctype html>
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[03:57] <designbybeck> <a href="https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/Projects/Orca" target="_blank">Orca Screen Reader</a> - The Orca Screen Reader is an Open Source Screen Reading software project that is available for Linux Operating Systems. Orca Screen Reader is included by default as one accessibility option on many popular Linux Operating System. This is a great for visualy impared people in third-world contrires that can not afford other accessibility software.</p>
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[03:58] <designbybeck> TTS screen reader with automatic language recognition. Voice speed control. Integrated interface (compact & extended). Supports English, Spanish, German, Italian, French, Russian. Select text to speak it. (TTS: Text-To-Speech)
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[03:58] <designbybeck> that is easy to read and change the size and contrast of. This is more ideal for people with partial or strined eyesight. Depending on what operating system you are running, you might can use other screen readers with this as well.
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[03:59] <daftykins> designbybeck: don't paste here.
[03:59] <daftykins> !paste
[03:59] <designbybeck> daftykins, again, sorry, didn't mean to
[03:59] <designbybeck> it was the wrong thing I pasted
[04:01] <designbybeck> and looks like I had the wrong password daftykins ...didn't know the one password was used in both places
[04:01] <designbybeck> *sigh*... one of those days
[04:02] <daftykins> you're saying it was solely password?
[04:05]  * bet0x sup sup
[04:11] <designbybeck> looks that way daftykins
[04:12] <designbybeck> ...filezilla use to connect for a few mins, and then drop
[04:12] <designbybeck> ,but I'm using fireftp right now, and it is working fine it seems
[04:14] <daftykins> credentials seems a bit of a step 1 error?
[04:15] <ignacio> hello
[04:15] <ignacio> is there anyway to force the system to use all the processor?
[04:15] <ignacio> I mean, I remember there was a panel widget for that in ubuntu 10.04
[04:16] <alazare619> im looking for a distro thats similiar to slitaz in principle but based on ubuntu does anyone have a recommendation?
[04:16] <alazare619> reason i want ubuntu is because of the interoperability of all of the packages
[04:17] <ignacio> Does Ubuntu Studio still exists?
[04:30] <locksmith2> coo' coo'
[04:35] <wafflejock1> ignacio: you mean this? http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/indicator-cpufreq
[04:35] <wafflejock1> ignacio: not sure on Studio
[04:35] <wafflejock1> !studio
[04:37] <wafflejock1> !rpm | alazare619 can use alien as described here but not really supported, personally if I can't get a .deb from the source and I need something I'll just build it myself from source and install that way
[04:38] <alazare619> cant build from source wafflejock1
[04:38] <alazare619> it requires glibc 2.15
[04:38] <alazare619> and only one available in rolling or even 5.0 rc3 is 2.14
[04:39] <wafflejock1> alazare619: yeah have ended up down the road of dependency hell in doing the compile it myself thing too but sometimes not too bad just depends on the package
[04:39] <alazare619> particullary looking at atom editor
[04:40] <alazare619> the github one
[04:40] <alazare619> https://atom.io/
[04:40] <alazare619> github produced it and its probably the most amazing editor ever
[04:40] <ignacio> wafflejock1, yes that, thank you
[04:40] <wafflejock1> alazare619: yeah can download the .deb though what's the issue there?
[04:41] <alazare619> yea there is a deb for it light tables didnt have one
[04:41] <alazare619> ill look at atoms deb and using tazpkg convert
[04:41] <alazare619> its only x64
[04:41] <alazare619> not x86
[04:42] <ignacio> alazare619, you can compile it
[04:42] <alazare619> and slitaz is only x86 it appears
[04:42] <ignacio> Build it*
[04:42] <alazare619> huh?
[04:42] <ignacio> one sec
[04:42] <wafflejock1> alazare619: yeah not familiar with slitaz
[04:43] <alazare619> yea looks like im going to maybe just do ubuntu netinst
[04:43] <alazare619> or something...
[04:43] <alazare619> hmm
[04:43] <ignacio> alazare619, you want atom for i386?
[04:43] <alazare619> well the distro ive been working on for a very lightweight thinclient w/ a local ide
[04:44] <alazare619> i was building it from scratch and started using slitaz but came across dependency hell so started looking for other options
[04:44] <alazare619> if i leave slitaz im lossing 2 weeks of work but at this point im at a standstill
[04:44] <ignacio> alazare619, idk if this is the latest version http://www.webupd8.org/2014/05/install-atom-text-editor-in-ubuntu-via-ppa.html
[04:46] <DDR> Hi guys. I installed the latest AMD drivers for my desktop, which was a mistake - how do I downgrade fglrx to the version that ubuntu ships with?
[04:47] <daftykins> well if you ran their installer, run their uninstaller
[04:48] <DDR> it was a .deb package. Now my package manager only lists that one, because it's a higher version.
[04:48] <DDR> (Synaptic)
[04:49] <daftykins> dpkg -l | grep fglrx | pastebinit
[04:51] <DDR> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12622496/
[04:51] <DDR> I might have found the right menu item in Synaptic, actually, just now.
[04:52] <daftykins> "sudo apt-get purge fglrx* "
[05:01] <DDR> Yay, my computer works now!
[05:01] <DDR> Thanks!
[05:19] <Guest64566> I am wondering what the backports unsupported updates are / what the usually contain. As well as wondering what updates contains differently then the security updates... these updates don't update the kernel or patch the kernel to another version or so... so what are they containing for the ubuntu os's
[05:23] <Guest64566> just kind of curious what recommended updates usually contain or update/do when downloading them. And what the other pre-release updates , or unsupported updates usually do.... I would imagine recommended updates are just updating the installed programs one has not actually modifying or patching the kernel
[05:24] <Guest64566> security updates may be doing some patching but probably more then not just updateing the security features/programs specific to security
[05:24] <Guest64566> Though if somebody knows and can explain in depth it would be great
[05:24] <kumar> Here?
[05:24] <Guest64566> is or pm me
[05:24] <wileee> Guest64566, ubuntu has many wiki's, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[05:24] <Guest64566> yes or pm me
[05:25] <kumar> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[05:25] <kumar> running this command got the error:
[05:25] <kumar> * Restarting web server apache2                                         [fail]   * The apache2 configtest failed.
[05:26] <kumar> Output of config test was:
[05:26] <kumar> apache2: Syntax error on line 140 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/alias.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_alias.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_alias.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Action 'configtest' failed.
[05:26] <kumar> How to solve it?
[05:29] <Guest64566> yes i get backports but i am wondering what the security and general updates contain or do when downloading them
[05:29] <Guest64566> are they just updating the packages if you where to do apt-get update / upgrade command instead
[05:29] <Guest64566> sort of auto notifying you and doing that for each package on its own
[05:30] <tom4U> my ubuntu 14.04 shutdown button not working please help me
[05:30] <Guest64566> if that is what the gui is doing
[05:30] <daftykins> kumar: comment out the line?
[05:31] <kumar> daftykins : thanks for your reply..
[05:31] <Guest64566> then what is the difference between security updates and general won't general updates update the security app's as well ... so i guess i want to know what more is in a security update package normally?
[05:31] <kumar> dafttkins : running command : sudo apt-get apache2 restart
[05:31] <kumar> but got the error:
[05:32] <kumar> apache2: Syntax error on line 140 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/alias.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_alias.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_alias.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Action 'configtest' failed.
[05:32] <daftykins> kumar: that's not a real command, you don't use package management to tell apache to restart
[05:32] <tom4U> my ubuntu 14.04 shutdown button is not working please someone help me
[05:33] <kumar> daftykins : sorry, running the command : sudo service apache2 restart
[05:33] <kumar> but got the error:  apache2: Syntax error on line 140 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/alias.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_alias.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_alias.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Action 'configtest' failed.
[05:33] <kumar> daftykins : how to solve it?
[05:34] <hateball> kumar: Are you using mod_alias?
[05:34] <kumar> yes..
[05:34] <hateball> kumar: try running sudo a2enmod mod_alias again
[05:35] <kumar> hateball : ok
[05:36] <kumar> hateball : running command sudo a2enmod mod_alias    got the error:
[05:36] <kumar> ERROR: Module mod_alias does not exist!
[05:36] <hateball> hmmm, no I see it should be enabled by default in the binary
[05:37] <BartJr> I am running 15.04, 3.19.0-16 with Cairo-Dock...When I click on the shortcuts menu there is a drive showing up there that is not mounted/connected but I am unable to remove it from the shortcuts menu. Any ideas on how to remove this from the shortcuts menu? thanks
[05:38] <hateball> kumar: did you use a2enmod or did you create your own configs?
[05:38] <kumar> use a2enmod
[05:38] <Liza> someone please help me i have some problem related to my computer
[05:39] <daftykins> can't do much helping until a description is given, Liza
[05:40] <Liza> i am unable to install some windows app in wine platform
[05:41] <Liza> MS office 2007 in wine
[05:41] <daftykins> you shouldn't really be attempting to do that
[05:41] <hateball> !wine | Liza
[05:42] <Liza> daftkins why?
[05:43] <daftykins> are you sure libre office can't suffice?
[05:43] <daftykins> it's pretty flawed to desire things to run under wine for the most part, is all
[05:44] <Liza> what is about kingsoft office app
[05:45] <daftykins> that's not a very coherent sentence, but kingsoft would be an entirely different office suite
[05:45] <Liza> few front are missing in libreoffice
[05:46] <Liza> unable to view some documents
[05:46] <daftykins> obtain them?
[05:48] <Liza> how can i get microsoft property fronts in open apps like libreoffice
[05:48] <daftykins> pass
[05:48] <daftykins> more to the point, why are you using ubuntu if you're reliant on MS office?
[05:49] <lh_> have chinese?
[05:50] <hateball> !cn | lh_
[05:50] <lh_> thank you
[06:05] <Trinity> i'm using libgdx and for some reason when i open two games or three games (could also be applications)
[06:05] <Trinity> when i move the screens they start to lag
[06:05] <Trinity> tested on windows, no issues
[06:05] <Trinity> libgdx uses lwjgl which uses AWT beneath it
[06:05] <Trinity> any ideas?
[06:06] <alberto> buenas noches todos
[06:07] <ignacio> buenas noches alberto
[06:11] <ignacio> Good night
[06:16] <loa> what is way to delete all packages which are not in my repositories? for example i update from 14.04 to 15.05 and i need delete old packages
[06:17] <loa> how i can do this?
[06:17] <morphles> I can not get ipv6 to work for me. I need to test some things using ipv6, so I wanted to get loopback an ipv6 address (though from memory any linux i have touched quite some time already had that). But I just can't do it. /proce/net/if_inet6 is not present. ubuntu version is 14.04, very hard to find anything on the net about that. I think I might have tried to disable ipv6 at some point in past, but sysctl does not have isabled directives. So not sure what
[06:17] <daftykins> loa: it did that
[06:17] <morphles> modprobe ipv6 does nothing, lsmod still does not list anything, but I would guess ipv6 is compiled in, kernels is 3.13
[06:18] <loa> daftykins, no
[06:18] <loa> daftykins, i have many packages from not official repositories
[06:18] <loa> for example cuda
[06:18] <hrobjartur> hi
[06:18] <daftykins> loa: oh PPAs...
[06:18] <daftykins> !ppapurge
[06:19] <hrobjartur> I'm using the xorg-edgers ppa for the nvidia-352 driver
[06:19] <daftykins> loa: see your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[06:19] <hrobjartur> this driver was necessary for my 4k screens at my work.
[06:19] <loa> daftykins, and what? there all repositories commented out
[06:19] <loa> but packages are installed from them
[06:19] <hrobjartur> now, I just added the same ppa to my colleagues ubuntu... same ubuntu... same hardware...
[06:20] <hrobjartur> however... the nvidia-352 driver does not show up in aptitude search on his computer
[06:20] <daftykins> loa: see the above ppapurge i triggered.
[06:20] <hrobjartur> I don't get how there can be a difference between our computers.. we both use the same ppa.
[06:21] <hateball> hrobjartur: did you apt-get update
[06:21] <hrobjartur> hateball,  yes.
[06:21] <loa> daftykins, there plenty of them  > 20
[06:21] <loa> it will be hard.
[06:21] <daftykins> so roll your sleeves up and get to work :)
[06:21] <hrobjartur> hateball,  I first. purged his nivida driver install, then I added the ppa, then I apt-get updated.
[06:22] <loa> daftykins, i can't get why update did not done that.
[06:22] <hateball> hrobjartur: while it should show, I suggest you use this ppa instead since it will become the "official" one https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[06:22] <daftykins> you're meant to get rid of PPAs yourself, it's in all the upgrade advice
[06:25] <loa> daftykins, ok, i think i must more did all more carefully before update
[06:25] <hrobjartur> hateball,  thanks... I was using this one before, but I had problems with cuda support on the nvidia-352 driver from that PPA
[06:25] <hateball> hrobjartur: Ah
[06:25] <hrobjartur> hateball,   I figured maybe cuda had not been compiled with the driver in that PPA... but I could be wrong something else maybe
[06:26] <daftykins> loa: sorry that wasn't English
[06:26] <hrobjartur> hateball,  is it possible that nvidia-352 has been removed from the xorg-edgers?
[06:26] <hateball> hrobjartur: Well, I don't use CUDA so I can't really help you there. I did not see you mention that
[06:27] <hateball> hrobjartur: looking at https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa it would seem so. Probably because of the move to the other repo
[06:27] <hrobjartur> hateball,  can I use the apt tools to search in specific repository only
[06:28] <hrobjartur> hateball, ok
[06:28] <hateball> hrobjartur: It is even stated so up top
[06:29] <hateball> hrobjartur: well you can use apt-cache policy <package> to see which repo it comes from
[06:29] <hrobjartur> hateball,  thanks!
[06:30] <hrobjartur> hateball,  I guess I'll go back to graphics-drivers ppa
[06:30] <hrobjartur> hateball,  and try to solve the cuda issue
[06:30] <hateball> hrobjartur: Good luck. You may try the 355 driver as well
[06:30] <hateball> I've been using it a while (not with cuda) and it has been stable
[06:31] <hrobjartur> great
[06:48] <hrobjartur> hateball, ... I see that while  typically  libcuda1  is installed along side the nvidia driver... in the graphics-drivers ppa I have to install libcuda1 specifically.
[06:49] <hrobjartur> hateball,  this was probably my issue.
[06:52] <Anticom> Good morning. Anyone else experiencing any issues with VirtualBox v5.0.4 installed from their website since yesterday?
[06:52] <daftykins> could try their channel
[06:52] <daftykins> often they're up on issues
[06:52] <Anticom> no response yet
[06:52] <Anticom> I did some updates on my Ubuntu 14.04 (64 Bit) host and now i can't start any of my VMs
[06:52] <daftykins> modules + logs?
[06:53] <Anticom> which ones?
[06:53] <daftykins> virtualbox ones ¬_¬
[06:53] <Anticom> daftykins: well that's the error i'm getting displayed: http://pastebin.com/1f9PxxRk hang in for the logs
[06:54] <loa> where configs for daemons located in ubuntu 15.04?
[06:55] <loa> i know that now it systemd but where.
[06:56] <Anticom> daftykins: http://pastebin.com/rAJekfbB
[06:59] <jay_> hi everyone
[07:00] <jay_> i have a quick question
[07:00] <jay_> im new on ubuntu and would like to know if there is an ubuntu version of Ms visio?
[07:02] <jay_> anyone?
[07:02] <jaywink> jay_, no, but LibreOffice Draw can open Visio documents for viewing
[07:03] <jay_> and can you edit ?
[07:03] <jaywink> It also has a lot of similar functionality
[07:03] <jaywink> I believe you can't save to visio format because afaik it is proprietary
[07:04] <jay_> okay... tanx let me try iy out
[07:05] <wileee> jay_, worth looking at, https://askubuntu.com/questions/37632/is-there-an-alternative-to-microsoft-office-visio
[07:05] <lasmeoule78> hi
[07:07] <sjoshi> jay_: you can also check dia
[07:07] <jay_> tanx guys....and what's the default mail agent ?
[07:07] <nhyl> jay_, personally i really really like yEd.
[07:08] <sjoshi> jay_: you can also see  http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2015/05/how-to-install-evolus-pencil-in-ubuntu.html
[07:11] <jay_> tanx a lot guys..
[07:13] <A124> Hello. Having Raring, need to upgrade in-place. Did use archive to apt dist upgrade. But calling do-releae-upgrade gives 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.13 80] .. How could I get to newer version?
[07:16] <jimbow> where is the chat channel?
[07:18] <wileee> A124, next saucy is eol as well, a backup and fresh install is the general safestroute
[07:18] <A124> wileee Cannot do that unfortunately.
[07:18] <wileee> !eol-upgrade
[07:18] <wileee> !eol
[07:19] <deniz> !help
[07:19] <huscurian> !patience
[07:19] <gulzar> df -h shows this http://paste.dy.fi/CYi. Is there anything wrong in the allocation of storages. RAM is 1TB
[07:19] <huscurian> cls
[07:22] <hhhh> Yo, I'm trying to overclock my monitor atm, and I'm told that /lib/modules/<kernel>/updates/dkms/nvidia_331.ko should be a file
[07:22] <Trinity> how do you add icons/programs to the xfce start menu launcher?
[07:22] <Trinity> Whisker Menu*
[07:22] <hhhh> But I only have nvidia.ko and nvidia-uvm.ko, how do I force the nvidia gui to generate the file?
[07:35] <Guest64566> do you guys now if there is any ubuntu packages for developing for iphone or windows phone app's tools, debugging, flashing,building etc for those we have android-tools-* packages for the android but doesn't look like there is any for windows mobile devices or iphone  apple mobile devices
[07:36] <Guest64566> anybody know if there is any in the repo's or any in existence for linux / ubuntu
[07:41] <jay_> lol... i am dual booting from windows 10 to ubuntu and i cannot seem to boot to windows again
[07:41] <Guest64566> well there is 32 packages for android in the apt-get repo's of version 14 trusty
[07:42] <Guest64566> but no windows or iphone and only a few ipod ones
[07:46] <Guest64566> either re install your mbr with windows or uses chain loading with grub that should clear it up
[07:47] <Guest64566> of course you have to know the path to the kernel if you don't know that you will have to uses gpart or other data recovery tools to find the sector maybe fdisk would help
[07:48] <Guest64566> don't have time to help on this stuff right now though
[07:48] <A124> Umm.. Widnows stores MBR on the boot drive too.
[07:49] <A124> I mean partition, so just chainloading the right partition should do.
[07:51] <Guest64566> so find the partition you want and chainload with grub to the path of the kernel or bootloader for it...etc
[07:51] <Guest64566> google for grub chainloading examples
[07:54] <Twirl> Hi, anyone knows why every time i turn in my computer sound goes to exactly 100% ?
[07:54] <Twirl> and also, 50% of the times i need to turn off wifi network and turn it on again so it connects, which is stupid and unnecessary
[07:56] <jay_> tanx
[08:05] <jdavisdynamic> hello new to this and ubuntu
[08:08] <jdavisdynamic> jeff is now known as losinginyrtrdy
[08:10] <stukdev_> I setup a syslog server and a dhcp, but when syslog client send more log, the server can't satisfy the dhcp request...is normal^
[08:10] <stukdev_> ?
[08:10] <abb4s> hi every body , any one know what happen after type double-quot after command ?? like echo "
[08:11] <abb4s> ??
[08:12] <Archyme> abb4s, why not try it?
[08:13] <abb4s> Archyme:  i tryed that but i dont know what happen ! ot just take input and ...
[08:14] <Archyme> abb4s, ok so echo " return, then type hello world return, then " return
[08:15] <BLablabla> hi
[08:15] <Russell_D_Lee> shell is waiting you input until another quot
[08:15] <Torras> hello
[08:15] <abb4s> Archyme:  so what the meaning of this ? where is used ??
[08:15] <Archyme> abb4s, what Russell_D_Lee said ^
[08:16] <Torras> hola
[08:16] <Archyme> abb4s, type "man echo"
[08:16] <alpaca_sida_ekis> ese
[08:16] <Torras> penis
[08:16] <alpaca_sida_ekis> lol temara te pega
[08:16] <Torras> vols sida?
[08:16] <Ben64> !ops
[08:16] <abb4s> Russell_D_Lee:   so what the meaning of this ? where is used ??
[08:16] <alpaca_sida_ekis> no plotis pero loc
[08:17] <alpaca_sida_ekis> ese
[08:17] <alpaca_sida_ekis> Don't cry
[08:17] <HatemOgLu> Selmlar
[08:17] <Russell_D_Lee> for example, we need input a lot of string
[08:17] <cicle> etsee
[08:17] <cicle> locus
[08:17] <abb4s> Archyme: it is not just about echo , any command that you type a quot after that , itwould happen
[08:17] <cicle> com va?
[08:17] <cicle> tot be?
[08:17] <cicle> etse loku
[08:18] <cicle> i've a problem with ubuntu
[08:18] <abb4s> Russell_D_Lee: okay thanks sir , i got it
[08:18] <cicle> my unbuntu has VIH
[08:18] <cicle> loks
[08:18] <Russell_D_Lee> abb4s, you're welcome
[08:18] <cicle> help me
[08:18] <cicle> filldeputa
[08:19] <cicle> murit
[08:19] <cicle> subnurmal
[08:19] <cicle> ets lleig
[08:19] <abb4s> Russell_D_Lee: Archyme : so when you want inter multi line input for a cammand you can do it ...
[08:19] <cicle> tens sida a sa poronga
[08:19] <Archyme> cicle, what is your question?
[08:19] <Ben64> Archyme: its a troll, ignore
[08:19] <cicle> i've a problem
[08:19] <Myrtti> cicle: please stop?
[08:19] <cicle> i've a problem!
[08:20] <Russell_D_Lee> abb4s: yes, i thank so
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[08:20] <cicle>  
[08:20] <cicle>  
[08:20] <cicle>  
[08:20] <cicle>  
[08:34] <jay_> exit
[08:40] <Browser> I have a customer display connected through a USB port in /dev/ttyACM0. When I do echo "Testing text" > /dev/ttyACM0 , the screen only displays a "T" and I have to cat /dev/ttyACM0 to show everything. If I run screen /dev/ttyACM0 the echo command works as expected. Why could it be buffering the text?
[08:41] <danorby_> I cannot get ELF file to run when I double click on them.  They are setup as executables, but a double click asks "Open With...." but when I open terminal in the folder and I run via the terminal it works.
[09:15] <pm5000> Hey, im stuck trying to get a .desktop launcher to start a "executable (application/x-executable)" file.
[09:16] <pm5000> basically I checked that the path has no spaces and my Exec is - Exec=/home/xxx/Documents/PopcornTime/Popcorn-Time
[09:18] <pm5000> oh yes, it also shows this error when I try to launch - There was an error launching the application.
[09:18] <pm5000> anyone?
[09:18] <cfhowlett> !patience | pm5000
[09:24] <peder> Anyone know how i can set default arch for all repos for apt (that is, disable armhf for all but the one i have [arch+=armhf] on i its sources.list-line
[09:24] <peder> without having to add [arch-=armhf] to every deb-line
[09:32] <channelit> Please could you provide me with the command line tool that used to share code with you?
[09:32] <shooter2kill> hey all i was just wondering how would i start or stop a progam in terminal
[09:34] <CodeChris> channelit: do you mean the command pastebin or pastebinit
[09:34] <channelit> yes
[09:34] <channelit> CodeChris, yes
[09:34] <CodeChris> that's it; so like 'pastebin cat /etc/fstab'
[09:35] <k1l> !pastebinit | channelit
[09:35] <hateball> shooter2kill: Do you have an example of what?
[09:36] <shooter2kill> ok say i wanted to close firefox via the terminal
[09:36] <channelit> I can't find the command
[09:36] <k1l> channelit: see the bots message. it explains it
[09:36] <hateball> shooter2kill: several options, one is: pkill firefox
[09:37] <shooter2kill> thanks hateball was totally what i was looking for ...spot on mate....
[09:37] <shooter2kill> what about starting a progam say again firefox i wanted to start that from terminal
[09:38] <hateball> shooter2kill: just run "firefox". if you want to disown it so it doesnt die when you close the terminal, run "firefox &"
[09:39] <shooter2kill> so i was to do "run firefox" and then closed the terminal window the program would also close unless i & ?
[09:41] <shooter2kill> still there hateball?
[09:41] <hateball> shooter2kill: yes
[09:41] <shooter2kill> ok sweet
[09:42] <shooter2kill> thanks mate very helpful
[09:42] <DaNorby> Just type the program name into terminal.  If it goes back to the prompt you may close the terminal without the other program closin.
[09:43] <hateball> shooter2kill: well you can manage it using "jobs". so if you start a program without &, then press ctrl+z in terminal to pause it, then type "bg 1" to disown it. use "jobs" to see what is being paused if you have multiple things launched from same terminal
[09:43] <shooter2kill> thanks everyone just trying to get use to using terminal ...only new to linux mint but trying to use the terminal for things to get use to it
[09:45] <TheNumb> shooter2kill: unfortunately linux mint is not a supported derivative of ubuntu.
[09:45] <loa> hello, somebody use steam in ubuntu 15.04 with controller?
[09:45] <shooter2kill> oh ok ...
[09:45] <DaNorby> If I am not mistaken, would the same be said of Ubuntu with trinity desktop?
[09:46] <hateball> loa: Yes. Are you taking a poll or do you have a problem?
[09:46] <shooter2kill> i thought it was more or less the same cause it says mint was built off ubuntu
[09:46] <k1l> use the irc support channel that is made the startchannel in their irc clients
[09:46] <k1l> !mint | shooter2kill
[09:46] <loa> hateball, i have problem. thx for response. i have some lag in menu... like left button is always on
[09:46] <hateball> loa: Is this in a game, steam big picture mode, regular steam, or what? What controller?
[09:47] <loa> hateball, i often have problem with continues sound like ping, ping, ping, ping...
[09:47] <shooter2kill> all good thanks
[09:47] <loa> hateball, this is in big picture mode
[09:47] <shooter2kill>  :)
[09:47] <loa> hateball, my controller is Logitech Gamepad F310
[09:47] <TheNumb> DaNorby: most likely since iirc ubuntu doesn't provide trinity packages.
[09:48] <hateball> loa: Strange, I have the same exact controller and I have no issues. Hmmm.
[09:48] <loa> hateball, when i enter to game from big picture all working ok... that problem is even without controller
[09:48] <loa> hateball, you got what i am talking about?
[09:48] <hateball> loa: I think so.
[09:48] <loa> hateball, i can show you in twitch if you want.
[09:49] <hateball> loa: Since it seems quite Steam specific, perhaps more people will have seen that issue in #ubuntu-steam or #steamlug
[09:49] <loa> hateball, like something like dummy input from somewhere.
[09:49] <loa> hateball, i will try now
[09:49] <hateball> loa: have you tried disconnecting other input devices? like mouse/keyboard
[09:50] <loa> hateball, you know what... one person said me that there is some option for debug input when starting steam from console
[09:51] <loa> something like steam -debug_input
[09:51] <loa> and will show all data which goes to steam input
[09:51] <hateball> loa: I do not know, but I bet someone in the channels I mentioned do
[09:52] <channelit> I have 2 wifi networks, all my friends see it, but my laptop can't
[09:52] <channelit> Ubuntu 14.04
[09:53] <channelit> Sometimes I can see it, and other time it disconnected and disappears from my network manager
[09:53] <hateball> channelit: what wifi chipset do you use?
[09:53] <wodim> hello, how do I choose to use unity 2D ?
[09:53] <wodim> I can't find the button to change my session typ
[09:53] <wodim> e
[09:54] <channelit> What do you mean by chipset? the model?
[09:54] <channelit> hateball,
[09:55] <k1l> wodim: there is no unity2d anymore. it will use llvmpipe since som time
[09:55] <wodim> k1l: so there is no way not to use a 3d desktop?
[09:55] <wodim> k1l: or maybe I can install something else than unity? I'm using it inside a vm and it crawls.
[09:55] <k1l> wodim: gnome (and so unity7) changed to using llvmpipe some time ago
[09:56] <hateball> channelit: yep, find out by running lspci or lsusb, depending how it is connected
[09:56] <k1l> wodim: ubuntu offers a huge bunch of other desktops. you can try lxde (lubuntu-desktop) etc
[09:56] <hateball> channelit: certain chipsets/drivers do not play well in linux
[09:56] <wodim> k1l: yes, I will try with lxde then, thank you.
[09:57] <channelit> hateball,  Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 (rev 93)
[09:58] <channelit> hateball, is that what you mean?
[09:58] <channelit> hateball, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12623451/
[10:00] <hateball> channelit: hmm, intel wifi is usually quite well supported
[10:00] <hateball> channelit: some older drivers, like in the kernel used in 14.04 can have problems with N or AC networks tho, and you can disable that to try
[10:01] <hateball> channelit: so the first thing to check, is the SSID you're trying to connect to a N-network?
[10:02] <hateball> channelit: there are various options you can tweak in /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf. I have to be off now so I hope someone else can help you, or that you have enough info that you can google
[10:02] <channelit> hateball, They are correct
[10:03] <channelit> hateball, Ok thank you
[10:05] <rafaelcenteio> Anybody know how iin command line
[10:05] <rafaelcenteio> in command line how to export file with the same name but with a number at the end?*
[10:06] <rafaelcenteio> I mean, the output file with the same name of the source.
[10:10] <ArnC> Hey guys, do you know if there is a permanent fix for pam mysql authentication with vsftpd ? (see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2218804)
[10:12] <k1l> rafaelcenteio: can you give more details? i dont understand what you want to do
[10:12] <ArnC> OKay
[10:12] <ArnC> So I authenticate my FTP users with pam mysql
[10:13] <ArnC> I have the same problem than the one which is exposed in the thread
[10:13] <ArnC> (related to  libgcc_s.so.1)
[10:13] <ArnC> the vsftpd package seems broken in Ubuntu 14.04
[10:14] <ArnC> When I apply the fix provided in the forum thread, everything works well
[10:14] <ArnC> But every time i run apt-get upgrade
[10:14] <ArnC> I have to reapply the fix
[10:14] <ArnC> So I suppose that the bug should be fixed in the repos
[10:14] <ArnC> suppose/ assum
[10:14] <ArnC> e
[10:16] <baizon> can someone help me... if i remove ipv6.disable=1 from /etc/default/grub my network breaks :/
[10:16] <ikonia_> baizon: why are you removing that ?
[10:16] <baizon> ikonia_: i had trouble with ipv6 in the past
[10:16] <rafaelcenteio> k1l: For instance, I have a file name BB.jpg. I will use imagemagick to create a copy of this .jpg but with less quality. So I want the output name to be the same but with a number 1 in the end (BB1.jpg in this case). Now, it is of course easy to do with a single file, but I want something like a variable, something like output=[samenameasinput]$foo.jpg
[10:17] <ikonia_> baizon: that wasn't the question
[10:17] <ikonia_> baizon: why are you removing that parameter ?
[10:17] <baizon> ikonia_: i want to have ipv6 again
[10:17] <ikonia_> baizon: so change it to 0
[10:17] <ikonia_> not 1
[10:18] <baizon> ikonia_: well my network isnt working then
[10:18] <ikonia_> define "isn't working"
[10:18] <k1l> rafaelcenteio: iirc imagemagick supports batch converting and got a menu for that
[10:18] <baizon> ikonia_: no connection
[10:18] <ikonia_> baizon: at what point ?
[10:19] <MaBunny> hey guys
[10:19] <baizon> ikonia_: well some hosts are working, other arent. For example youtube.com is working, askubuntu.com not
[10:20] <ikonia_> baizon: and why do you think it's anything to do with that parameter ?
[10:20] <rafaelcenteio> k1l: Ok, thanks.
[10:20] <baizon> ikonia_: my other ubuntu machines are working without this parameter
[10:21] <k1l> ArnC: see if that sort of issue is already reported on launchpad.net so you dont have to apply the fix every time
[10:22] <ikonia_> baizon: so when you access those sites, look at what DNS address they are resolving to
[10:22] <baizon> ikonia_: well let me check
[10:23] <MaBunny> guys is there any bangla channel?
[10:24] <ikonia_> MaBunny: as in bangladesh ?
[10:24] <MaBunny> yes
[10:24] <ikonia_> MaBunny: there is #ubuntu-in for general Indian community
[10:24] <ikonia_> is that close enough, I'm not aware of a specific bangladesh one
[10:24] <MaBunny> ok thnx
[10:26] <baizon> ikonia: ou well its working now, <3 shitty routers
[10:28] <ikonia> baizon: no need for the language
[10:29] <baizon> ikonia: well, i had to restart my pc twice, then it worked. So yeah what can i say, wasted 20min trying to debug something that isnt even my fault :/
[10:50] <shooter2kill> does anyone here run gnome-boxes im trying to get to run it starts but doesnt reconize my kali.iso not sure why
[10:51] <k1l> shooter2kill: ask the mint guys what they changed there and see if they can fix that with you
[10:51] <shooter2kill> ok
[10:51] <k1l> its on another server (dont ask us why that is)
[10:51] <k1l> !mint | shooter2kill
[11:04] <ArnC> Thanks k1l
[11:05] <brandon> whos ready to get their privates touched?
[11:05] <cfhowlett> !ops | guest91921
[11:05] <ikonia> cfhowlett: what's up ?
[11:05] <DJones> Guest91921: Please don't
[11:05] <Guest91921> DJones : dont what?
[11:05] <cfhowlett> ikonia, "touching privates ..."?
[11:06] <ikonia> ahhh he was brandon
[11:06] <Guest91921> i was refering to private tcp connections
[11:06] <esph> So, some stuff got screwed up in my sister's Xubuntu install, and neither the regular nor the "recovery mode" kernel options boot. The drive seems to be okay (checked the SMART stuff), so now I'm just trying to find a good way to fix it.
[11:06] <cfhowlett> yeah, that's the new thing.  drop some stupid remarks and quickly change the nick.  clever boy.
[11:08] <esph> Is using the intall media to "Install Xubuntu 14.04.3 LTS alongside Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS" a good idea, or is there a better option?
[11:08] <cfhowlett> esph, better options exist
[11:08] <esph> Even though it says the computer has Ubuntu, it's actually Xubuntu
[11:08] <cfhowlett> esph, first: what is the goal?
[11:08] <esph> cfhowlett: just get the computer working again, with minimal differences from before.
[11:08] <kazuka_> how do i prevent my root folder or any files or folder being accessed from the url file:///
[11:09] <cfhowlett> esph, so you want ubuntu or xubuntu?
[11:09] <auronandace> esph: did you manage to recover what your sister wanted?
[11:09] <esph> cfhowlett: xubuntu; both the Live CD and the old install are Xubuntu; I don't know why the installer thinks the existing install is Ubuntu
[11:10] <esph> auronandace: the stuff is all still there; I don't think the /home partition was affected, and SMART tests showed no errors.
[11:10] <auronandace> esph: now would be a good time to recommend to her regular backups as a preventative measure against data loss
[11:11] <esph> Well, right now it's 6AM here, so I think I'll take a rain check on that for the moment
[11:11] <esph> I just want to know the best way of fixing the install.
[11:12] <xStark> Can anyone please help me with this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/679674/help-with-ubuntu-installation-14-04-3-lts
[11:12] <xStark> Can anyone help me with this because I've been trying for days now.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/679674/help-with-ubuntu-installation-14-04-3-lts
[11:13] <ikonia> xStark: what's your problem ?
[11:13] <auronandace> !here | xStark
[11:14] <xStark> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12623820/
[11:14] <xStark> ikonia: This is my problem ------>  http://paste.ubuntu.com
[11:14] <xStark> oops
[11:14] <xStark> one sec
[11:14] <esph> cfhowlett: care to elaborate on the better options?
[11:15] <xStark> ikonia: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12623820/
[11:15] <cfhowlett> esph, so right now your USB doesn't boot at all?
[11:15] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark did you resize your disk? Looks like you are lacking disk space
[11:15] <xStark> I have a 1TB harddrive
[11:15] <ikonia> xStark: I don't want a cut and paste from askubuntu
[11:16] <esph> cfhowlett: huh? no, the live media on the USB boots fine
[11:16] <ZombieHyperdrive> Ok
[11:16] <ikonia> xStark: I want you to talk to me and explain the problem
[11:16] <xStark> ikonia: All right.
[11:16] <esph> cfhowlett: the previously installed xubuntu on the laptop's SSD doesn't boot
[11:16] <xStark> ikonia: Look I try to install ubuntu, the 1st option, install ubuntu in windows 7 doesnt work
[11:16] <ikonia> xStark: please define "doesn't wor"
[11:17] <ikonia> work
[11:17] <xStark> ikonia: System just restarts
[11:17] <cfhowlett> esph, reinstall to the same partitions used previously.  DO NOT format the /home partition!
[11:17] <ikonia> xStark: at what point ?
[11:17] <auronandace> xStark: you mean beside rather than in win7
[11:17] <xStark> auronandace: No, for me it actually displays as "Install In Windows 7" rather than "Install beside Windows 7"
[11:17] <esph> cfhowlett: I definitely wouldn't do that
[11:18] <cfhowlett> :)
[11:18] <xStark> ikonia: As soon as I select "Install inside windows 7" computer restarts
[11:18] <esph> cfhowlett: but the only option for that is the one I asked about before, which you said was suboptimal
[11:18] <ikonia> xStark "inside windows 7"
[11:18] <esph> cfhowlett: the other two of the three installation options involve nuking everything
[11:18] <xStark> ikonia: Yes, not beside windows 7, inside windows 7.
[11:19] <ikonia> xStark: thats wubi
[11:19] <ikonia> thats a "dead" technology
[11:19] <cfhowlett> esph, if you actually had a bootable system, I would suggest sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[11:19] <k1l_> xStark: dont install "inside" windows. that is going to break
[11:19] <xStark> ikonia: I boot my PC from USB flash drive and follow installation steps and it displays as "install inside windows 7" instead of "Install alongside windows 7"
[11:20] <esph> cfhowlett: can I do that from chroot?
[11:20] <ikonia> xStark: that is a dead technology
[11:20] <cfhowlett> xStark, wubi is dead, rotten, putrefied and should never be mentioned in polite company much less used.
[11:20] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark isn't there an option "use free disk space"?
[11:20] <cfhowlett> esph, that "should" work
[11:20] <auronandace> xStark: what version of ubuntu is this?
[11:20] <k1l_> xStark: how much partitions are there already?
[11:20] <xStark> auronandace: 14.04.3
[11:20] <esph> cfhowlett: I don't need the /home partition mounted to do that, do I?
[11:20] <MonkeyDust> xStark  wubi is a windows application, it's not a real ubuntu installation
[11:21] <cfhowlett> esph, nope.
[11:21] <xStark> k1l_: there are like 4 partitions. 2 are recovery loaders, 1 win 7 loader and 1 partition named "HP_Tools"
[11:22] <ZombieHyperdrive> thats a dirty preinstalled windows configuration, do you have a windows disk?
[11:22] <k1l_> xStark: so that is the reason why it cant install alongside windows. you can only have 4 primary partitions
[11:22] <xStark> MonkeyDust: I know that. I don't use wubi. It displays as "Install In Windows 7" instead of "Install alongside Windows 7" when I try to install it from USB drive
[11:22] <esph> cfhowlett: hmm, apt-get tells me xubuntu-desktop is already installed and up to date in the chroot.
[11:22] <ikonia> xStark: make a freee space partition
[11:22] <ikonia> you'll find it will give you options to install along side
[11:23] <ikonia> at the moment I'd guess you have no unallocated space
[11:23] <ZombieHyperdrive> I would suggest save your data and clean install windows. Partition the disk upon install of Windows. Afterwards install ubuntu on free disk space
[11:23] <k1l_> xStark: that is wubi. its a fallback (which one should no use) since there is no other possible install with that spoiled partition sheme
[11:23] <xStark> yeah I have no unallocated space
[11:23] <cfhowlett> esph, ... sorry to hear it but it does confirm you are properly installed though not configured
[11:23] <k1l_> and you got 4 primary partitions on a msdos partition table
[11:23] <xStark> yeah 4 partitions
[11:24] <ZombieHyperdrive> actually three
[11:24] <esph> cfhowlett: is there a way to reinstall from the chroot? Or should I just go back and do the second installation on top of the first?
[11:24] <ZombieHyperdrive> sda1 ,2 and 3
[11:24] <zoli___> hi all
[11:24] <ZombieHyperdrive> hey
[11:24] <xStark> ZombieHyperDrive: I formatted windows recently lol I haven't touched the disks ever since. Comp came with 4 partitions
[11:24] <k1l_> xStark: so: if you dont get rid of at least one partition, you cant install ubuntu native.
[11:25] <cfhowlett> esph, it's a frustrating issue because, per your last cli command, xubuntu is present!  but if no one else has a better solution, I suppose reinstall is an option
[11:26] <xStark> k1l_: I cant delete the 3 partitions that has windows loaders so I must delete the fat32 partition?
[11:26] <k1l_> xStark: i dont know about what partitions you will need anytime soon.
[11:26] <xStark> HP automatically created the fat 32 partition so I have no idea what impact it would have on the PC
[11:27] <xStark> k1l_: Is there any way I can shrink some space and install Ubuntu on that space instead of deleting one partition
[11:27] <ZombieHyperdrive> Your windows system disk ist FAT32 @ xStark?
[11:28] <k1l_> xStark: once again: if its a msdos partition table you cant have more than 4 primary partitions.
[11:28] <xStark> ZombieHyperDrive: Of course not. 3 partitions (That have loaders) are NTFS and one partitions, automatically created by HP is fat32]
[11:28] <xStark> k1l_: Yeah, you're right
[11:30] <k1l_> xStark: so if you want to install ubuntu native, than get a clue about that partitions. a windows doesnt need any of theese. it can boot from one parititon very well. but that is your decision if you want to keep that recoveries and eventually reinstall windows properly
[11:30] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark save your data and delete the recovery partitions so that you only have C:/
[11:30] <A124> Nevermind, I think I can live a while, get a new system and never ever return to Ubuntu again.
[11:31] <esph> cfhowlett: Oh, I just realized I hadn't run `apt-get update` since I fixed networking within the chroot environment. Maybe it will work after the repos are updated.
[11:31] <xStark> Literally I have 4 partitions
[11:31] <xStark> 3 are recovery partitions
[11:31] <xStark> It seems the HP_Tools partition is for diagonostic purpose
[11:31] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark delete them and resize the disk
[11:32] <ZombieHyperdrive> say 500 GB Windows 500 GB freed for Ubuntu
[11:33] <xStark> ZombieHyperdrive: I'm looking at the HP site, a forums post on HP site actually. Someone says HP_Tools contains BIOS so um..
[11:34] <cfhowlett> xStark, advice: always get back OEM media from the manufacturer.  just in case ...
[11:35] <kazuka_> how do i prevent my root folder or any files or folder being accessed from the url file:/// ???????
[11:35]  * shooter2kill falls over i got virtualbox working ubuntu didnt want to play ball but mint does
[11:35] <shooter2kill> im off and running Zombie
[11:35] <k1l_> A124: dont blame ubuntu because you use ubuntu release way longer than the support timeframe. see the !eolupgrade factoid to get to know what to do.
[11:35] <xStark> cfhowlett: What's OEM Media? If it's recovery data, I have them in a few DVD;s.
[11:36] <cfhowlett> Original Equipment Manufacturer = HP in your case.  Request those HP tools / software on a CD/USB
[11:37] <xStark> cfhowlett: Yeah, you're right. But I guess it's too late in my case.
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:38] <ZombieHyperdrive> Download the drivers manually @xStark, waste the disk and get a clean Windows 7 copy off the Internet. Enter Serial Number, Done!
[11:38] <k1l_> A124: but you will need to upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 and then to 14.04.
[11:39] <Mosley> hiya
[11:39] <Mosley> can anyone advise me?
[11:39] <cfhowlett> !ask | Mosley
[11:39] <ZombieHyperdrive> preinstalled machines are for the bin
[11:39] <Mosley> my dell laptop has much lower batteries on ubuntu 14.04 then wi
[11:39] <Mosley> i have tlp, what else can i do?
[11:39] <xStark> ZombieHyperdrive: My windows 7 copy is original, I don't think there's any need for downloading a new one.
[11:42] <Mosley> why is my battery much worse on linux then windows 8/8.1/10?
[11:42] <xStark> Battery depends on various things
[11:42] <xStark> Firstly, your screen brightness
[11:42] <ZombieHyperdrive> Mosley because Linux is more powerful ;)
[11:43] <xStark> You keep it at high brightness, your battery is gonna come down so quick xD
[11:43] <Mosley> My laptop used to make a weird clicking sound under windows someone said it was linked to power management/speedstep optimisations
[11:44] <Mosley> Linux does not do this, battery life has gone from 7-9 hours all the way to 2-4 hours
[11:44] <xStark> I've used Windows since ages now and I haven't ever heard of such 'clicking sound' that you describe
[11:45] <Mosley> Additionally, hibernate sucks. additionally i found it impossible to boot custom partitioned luks/lvm full disk encryption with seperate home/swap (although installer fully encrypted works)
[11:45] <Mosley> its basically a mess, that i dont fully understand how to fix
[11:45] <rochelimit> kazuka_: If you have user permissions that allow access, then access is allowed. If you are worried about other users reading the folders, then remove those users from groups that have permissions to read.
[11:45] <xStark> Mosley: I have no idea on the installation process. I'm struggling to install Ubuntu myself..
[11:46] <Mosley> tried 14.04 15.04 and mint..... nada (fedora installer can set this up out of the box)
[11:46] <xStark> It's really all because of the 4 partitions windows has created...
[11:46] <Mosley> the ubuntu installer really does suck.. its so feature poor
[11:46] <prabesh> hey guys
[11:46] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark did you try debian for example to compare ?
[11:46] <ZombieHyperdrive> hey prabesh
[11:47] <xStark> What?
[11:47] <xStark> debian?
[11:47] <k1l_> Mosley: go for the mini install and  do install what you like.
[11:47] <ZombieHyperdrive> debian linux
[11:47] <ZombieHyperdrive> yeah
[11:47] <k1l_> ZombieHyperdrive: what does that help here now?
[11:47] <xStark> No I didn't compare
[11:47] <Mosley> i did a mini install on suse
[11:48] <k1l_> xStark: again: get a clue what that partitions are needed for and if you need that. windows as such is fine on one partition only install. so i suggest a proper dualboot reinstall of windows and ubuntu
[11:48] <Mosley> it was ok... i have built arch up before.. i end up just installing most things anyway, so a fully populated release distro is much better for me
[11:49] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark yes, clean install windows and resize partitions during install. Afterwards Ubuntu should offer installation alongside windows
[11:49] <k1l_> Mosley: so do you want any technical support now? because for ranting you better make a blog and do it there.
[11:49] <Mosley> i just "like" Ubuntu/unity... its a good os, but the installer sucks.. and chrooting to update-initram didnt enable me to boot a custom encrypted partition, crypttab just does not load
[11:50] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic please Mosley
[11:50] <Mosley> tech support really, i have 3 issues: 1 booting customised fully encrypted system (seperate home partition, 2 hibernate, and 3 battery life
[11:51] <k1l_> Mosley: so lets focus on one thing after the next. what is the exact issue with a full encryption install?
[11:52] <Mosley> Wont boot (seems not to see / request password to unlock crypted disks)
[11:52] <Mosley> therefore Fstab won't mount therefore drops to busybox
[11:52] <Mosley> well... it WILL boot (past grub atleast)
[11:52] <xStark_Ubuntu> k1l_: There's like 4 partitions, Local Disk (C:), HP_Tools, SYSTEM, and RECOVERY (D:). Local Disk C contains windows OS, System contains recovery environment files, HP_Tools contains files for diagonostic tools and RECOVERY (D:) contains recovery files.
[11:52] <ZombieHyperdrive> the fuck is busybox?
[11:53] <Mosley> wont mount/read crypttab
[11:53] <cfhowlett> !language | ZombieHyperdrive
[11:53] <bazhang> no cursing here ZombieHyperdrive
[11:53] <Mosley> busybox is the basic tiny in a single binary linux i guess?
[11:53] <Mosley> for hyper basic functions
[11:54] <Mosley> think of it like.... hmmm...... that windows system recovery cli
[11:54] <ZombieHyperdrive> thx mosley
[11:54] <kazuka_> there is a security concern in chrome concerning the access of your root file system with file:/// ?
[11:54] <kazuka_> please help
[11:54] <k1l_> kazuka_: ?
[11:54] <bazhang> google chrome kazuka_ ?
[11:55] <ZombieHyperdrive> Kazuka are you running chrome as root?
[11:55] <xStark> k1l_: And yeah, as of now, I do think that all 4 partitions are necessary
[11:55] <k1l_> Mosley: i am not familiar with encryption. but can you give more details of your setup?
[11:55] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark nope they are not
[11:55] <k1l_> xStark: than there is nothing ubuntu can do now. its your call
[11:56] <auronandace> xStark: windows can operate just fine with just the one partition, nothing else is required
[11:56] <ZombieHyperdrive> C:\\ is system disk @xStark
[11:56] <ZombieHyperdrive> the other parts you can waste
[11:56] <xStark> Ok so suppose I remove one partition
[11:57] <Mosley> well the setup i attempted: 250mb fat32 EFI partion, 500Mb Ext2 or 3 /boot partition (unencrypted) and then a crypted container Luks/lvm : inside is 3 partitons, 15GB EXT4 (/) 8.1gb Swap, and rest (Approx 100gb /home)
[11:57] <xStark> Is it good enough for ubuntu to install
[11:57] <ZombieHyperdrive> thats some 50 gigs and dev sda2 and 14 gigs on sda3
[11:57] <k1l_> xStark: "i want a new wheel on my car but cant remove one of the 4 old ones" so what should we say now?
[11:57] <Mosley> all mounted under luksfile "crypted" - i basically tried to follow this guide
[11:57] <rochelimit> kazuka_: by 'access' do you mean read or write? What concern do you have that YOU can access YOUR root files?
[11:57] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark i guess the bootloader recovery partition keeps you from installing ubuntu
[11:57] <Mosley> http://askubuntu.com/questions/623814/install-ubuntu-15-04-with-full-disk-encryption-but-without-swap-partition
[11:58] <auronandace> xStark: if you remove one partition then you can make an extended partition, in that you can put several logical partitions but you'll likely just want / and swap
[11:58] <Mosley> adapted to my needs
[11:58] <Mosley> also tried this guide for seperate physical (virtual) partiton containers with  crypted mounts
[11:58] <Mosley> http://thesimplecomputer.info/full-disk-encryption-with-ubuntu
[11:58] <xStark> auronandace: Yeah, I want just / and swap
[11:59] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark save your data before any actions, just to be on the safe side
[11:59] <Mosley> also worked with chroot in live session to update initram, set up the crypttab, and also to setup the grub
[11:59] <auronandace> xStark: then whatever partition you remove you'll need to replace it with an extended partition, then put the logical partitions inside that
[11:59] <ZombieHyperdrive> yes
[12:00] <xStark> auronandace: Alright
[12:00] <Mosley> however i figured that as the cryptab file lives inside the encrypted folder, itsd not detected/available on boot, and the initramfs is not including crypto info on boot
[12:00] <auronandace> xStark: as others have recommended backups are a very very good idea
[12:00] <xStark> ZombieHyperdrive: I have a backup, not a problem ;)
[12:00] <Mosley> (does that make any sense?)
[12:06] <theme2> I found a weird directory in my home directory
[12:07] <theme2> its name is "R9NzpSUBBD" and it's owned by root
[12:07] <ZombieHyperdrive> timestamp?
[12:07] <theme2> and "ls | wc" outputs "321063  321063 77376183"
[12:07] <theme2> ZombieHyperdrive, sep 25
[12:07] <AlinaM> hello all, what is the analog of acdsee for windows in linux world with advanced features etc?
[12:08] <theme2> it is 179MB
[12:08] <theme2> any idea what it might be?
[12:08] <ZombieHyperdrive> nope actually
[12:08] <ZombieHyperdrive> makes no sense to me to count words
[12:09] <ZombieHyperdrive> from a hackers perspective
[12:09] <ZombieHyperdrive> ah
[12:09] <ZombieHyperdrive> okay
[12:09] <theme2> I just went, seriously, lolwat
[12:09] <ZombieHyperdrive> hehe sorry
[12:09] <cfhowlett> AlinaM, darktable
[12:09] <cfhowlett> or gimp
[12:10] <Mosley> AlinaM I'd recommend XnViewMP
[12:10] <Mosley> very ACDsee Like
[12:10] <geirha> theme2: Could be anything. Think back to the last time(s) you used sudo. What did you run?
[12:11] <Mosley> http://www.xnview.com/en/xnviewmp/#features
[12:11] <ZombieHyperdrive> theme to perhaps a program put it in there. I have had it with a script where i suddenly had screenshots on my desktop
[12:11] <ZombieHyperdrive> good thing is to disable ssh on startup
[12:11] <ZombieHyperdrive> leave no space for attacks
[12:12] <geirha> theme2: and the date reported by  ls -ld R9NzpSUBBD   might give a clue
[12:13] <theme2> geirha, it's Sep 25, and I don't remember a thing about that day
[12:13] <ZombieHyperdrive> @ theme2 that could be the answer ;)
[12:14] <theme2> ZombieHyperdrive, ???
[12:14] <theme2> btw the file names are like wtf long
[12:14] <xStark> god im just so confused on what to do
[12:14] <theme2> it apparently triggered a bug in my terminal's autocomplete O_o
[12:15] <k1l_> theme2: what is inside that directory?
[12:15] <theme2> k1l_, many files, and the first file I checked is empty
[12:15] <theme2> attempting to paste the output of ls causes chrome to hang O_o
[12:15] <theme2> just lolwat
[12:16] <k1l_> is it a .folder ?
[12:16] <ZombieHyperdrive> theme2 strings file
[12:16] <Guest51753> Hello, I am using Ubuntu... Am I now a hacker?
[12:16] <Guest51753> LOL
[12:16] <ZombieHyperdrive> Haha
[12:16] <cfhowlett> Guest51753, this is ubuntu support.  chit chat and bad jokes belong in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Guest51753:  nope, you have the wrong idea about linux
[12:16] <Guest51753> cfhowlett, it wasn't a joke
[12:17] <theme2> ZombieHyperdrive, k1l_, I used "file <filename here>" and it says "empty"
[12:17] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark whats the problem?
[12:17] <xStark> ZombieHyperdrive: When I install Ubuntu, it's gonna ask me which OS I wanna start with each time I boot the PC, right?
[12:18] <auronandace> xStark: if you want some practise boot into windows and install ubuntu in a vm
[12:18] <Guest51753> BluesKaj, a firend tell me that Linux was a system used by hackers, and there is a thing called Terminal or shell or anything like that. And if I write sudo rm -rf /
[12:18] <ZombieHyperdrive> theme2 maybe a code ?
[12:18] <Guest51753> I can hack the WWW
[12:18] <cfhowlett> Guest51753, stop now
[12:18] <auronandace> xStark: that way you get used to the installation and you don't need to worry about losing anything
[12:18] <theme2> ZombieHyperdrive, lol
[12:19] <peppect1992> ciao
[12:19] <xStark> Java Virtual Machine?
[12:19] <xStark> how's that
[12:19] <auronandace> xStark: virtualbox
[12:19] <xStark> right yeah
[12:19] <xStark> my bad
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Guest51753:  don't believe all the misinformation your windows friends are spreading , and even mentioning thay command can get you banned, so stop trolling
[12:20] <jose__> yeeeeeeee
[12:20] <Tobias4X> BluesKaj: hes kicked already
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Tobias4X:  yeah , he deserved it
[12:21] <MonkeyDust> why give him attention
[12:21] <Mosley> Guys, do you know of an autohotkey auto capitalisation/autocorrect script that continuously runs in the background and corrects your typing, on linux?
[12:21] <Tobias4X> BluesKaj: indeed. but one always fears they actually believe that
[12:21] <ZombieHyperdrive> MonkeyDust he needed help
[12:21] <ZombieHyperdrive> He is distracted and confused obviously
[12:22] <Tobias4X> Mosley: look into autokey, broken for me tough
[12:22] <ZombieHyperdrive> by his new Windows10 installation ;)
[12:22] <BluesKaj> Tobias4X:  think he was just a troll who knew exactly what he was doing
[12:23] <Tobias4X> ZombieHyperdrive: poor guy, all confused by cortana greeting him
[12:23] <cfhowlett> nobody mentions the "danger" command with good intentions.  A troll he was and banned he is.  Shall we move on??
[12:23] <xStark> Windows can run with nothing but Local Disk (C:) and uh, SYSTEM partition
[12:24] <xStark> If I'm not wrong
[12:24] <BluesKaj> I'm trying a W10 install to keep up with what's happening in the windows area
[12:24] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark did you delete the partitions already?
[12:24] <xStark> Not yet
[12:25] <Tobias4X> BluesKaj: i've seen some of it on semper already, that was enough for me
[12:25] <ZombieHyperdrive> Just delete them
[12:25] <ZombieHyperdrive> Trust me it is going to be okay
[12:25] <xStark> ok ok ok
[12:25] <xStark> Ok so I delete HP_TOOLS and RECOVERY
[12:25] <ZombieHyperdrive> All windows needs to operate is C:\
[12:26] <ZombieHyperdrive> all but C:
[12:26] <Tobias4X> xStark: ubuntu installation with dualboot?
[12:26] <xStark> C: has boot loader right
[12:26] <xStark> Yes, Tobias4X
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Tobias4X:  my band mates have migrated to W10 so I have to keep my hand in , so to speak
[12:26] <ZombieHyperdrive> yes
[12:26] <Tobias4X> xStark: some have it on a small partition, beginning with win7
[12:26] <Tobias4X> its like,  512 mb
[12:27] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark the freed disk space is round about 200 gigs am i right?
[12:28] <ZombieHyperdrive> leave that untouched
[12:28] <ZombieHyperdrive> no formating because ubuntu will do that for yout
[12:28] <ZombieHyperdrive> -t
[12:28] <xStark> Tobias4x: For me, SYSTEM has some WinRE and boot files, RECOVERY partition as recovery files and HP_TOOLS has diagonostic tools
[12:29] <xStark> ZombiaHyperdrive: As far as my knowledge goes, you can't format hard drives unlimited times can you, because it makes it unusable
[12:29] <Tobias4X> xStark: Recovery and HP_tools is safe to delete unless you ever want to go windows-only again
[12:29] <Tobias4X> but usually grub is stable enough. keep a copy of ubuntu on cd around tough
[12:29] <Tobias4X> or usb stick
[12:30] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark you can format unallocated disk space in windows in disk manager
[12:30] <ZombieHyperdrive> waste the rffing partitions , reboot and install ubuntu :)
[12:30] <xStark> ZombiaHyperdrive: I'm aware, but my point is that, won't formatting disk 2-3 times screw it up
[12:31] <auronandace> xStark: you'll need to format it hundreds of time intesively to cause any damage
[12:31] <xStark> Tobias4X: I think I'll just delete SYSTEM and HP_TOOLS instad of RECOVERY because I may need it
[12:31] <MonkeyDust> xStark  by limitless, i thought you were thinking 200-300 times
[12:31] <ZombieHyperdrive> no need to format anything just DELETE the partitions
[12:32] <xStark> just delete
[12:32] <xStark> alright
[12:32] <xStark> Ubuntu will format it
[12:32] <auronandace> xStark: but formatting always carries the risk of data loss so make sure you know what you are doing and have backups ready
[12:32] <ZombieHyperdrive> reboot and install ubuntu via usb donle already
[12:32] <ZombieHyperdrive> *dongle
[12:32] <xStark> ok
[12:32] <Tobias4X> xStark: i agree with zombie
[12:32] <ZombieHyperdrive> thx
[12:33] <xStark> ZombieHyperdrive: I'm gonna keep RECOVERY and C:// and I'm gonna delete the rest
[12:33] <Tobias4X> xStark: dude, wipe that thing
[12:33] <xStark> and I use the "Install alongside Windows" option right
[12:33] <ancky> hey can someone help me with nvidia driver issues on ubuntu?
[12:33] <Tobias4X> Recovery wont help you as much as an windows iso
[12:33] <Tobias4X> ancky: ask exactly
[12:33] <xStark> Alright
[12:34] <xStark> I'm doing it
[12:34] <cfhowlett> !nvidia | ancky
[12:34] <ZombieHyperdrive> Thanks Tobias4X
[12:34] <ZombieHyperdrive> thats what i am trying to tell
[12:34] <RedRat_> hi guys
[12:34] <ancky> thx I will read that wiki
[12:34] <xStark> Ok guys
[12:34] <RedRat_> is possible to use smartphone as webcam on ubuntu?
[12:34] <ZombieHyperdrive> Hey RedRat_
[12:34] <xStark> HP_TOOLS is gone
[12:34] <xStark> Now do I delete SYSTEM or RECOVERY
[12:35] <Tobias4X> RedRat_: usually.
[12:35] <ZombieHyperdrive> now DELETE RECOVERY even if it's suggesting good stuff
[12:35] <Tobias4X> xStark: Recovery
[12:35] <Tobias4X> dont touch SYSTEM
[12:35] <xStark> Why not SYSTEM
[12:35] <xStark> Oh ok
[12:35] <Tobias4X> thats where windows is
[12:35] <xStark> RECOVERY
[12:35] <xStark> ok ok
[12:35] <xStark> Done now
[12:35] <xStark> Recovery gone
[12:35] <ZombieHyperdrive> Recovery must go. Make it look like an accident :)
[12:36] <ZombieHyperdrive> good
[12:36] <ZombieHyperdrive> now install ubuntu , have fun
[12:36] <xStark> Guys recoveryd one
[12:36] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark are trolling ?
[12:37] <Tobias4X> xStark: now proceed with ubuntu install
[12:37] <ZombieHyperdrive> yeah
[12:37] <xStark> No I'm not trolling
[12:37] <ZombieHyperdrive> ok
[12:37] <xStark> I'm serious
[12:37] <ZombieHyperdrive> Good now you can install ubuntu
[12:37] <mous_> hello i need help with packaging some scripts
[12:38] <xStark> ZombieHyperdrive: 14.77 GB unallocated. Do I need to um, shrink Drive C:// or something
[12:39] <xStark> If you think I'm trolling, I'm not okay. I'm trying to be on the safer side.. Besides, I've never used Linux in my life
[12:39] <ZombieHyperdrive> xStark If you want to you can do that. If you are happy with 14 gigs leave it. Up to you.
[12:39] <xStark> Alright
[12:39] <xStark> and I select the 1st option right
[12:39] <xStark> "Install Ubuntu alongside windows 7"
[12:39] <ZombieHyperdrive> thought i messaged that
[12:39] <ZombieHyperdrive> yes
[12:39] <xStark> alright thanks
[12:39] <ZombieHyperdrive> no problem
[12:39] <xStark> a ton
[12:40] <xStark> I'll be back on Ubuntu soon :P
[12:40] <ZombieHyperdrive> There you go xStark :)
[12:40] <Tobias4X> dammit
[12:41] <ZombieHyperdrive> whats's wrong Tobias?
[12:41] <Tobias4X> ZombieHyperdrive: if he wants to use it  actively i usually recommend 30 gb+
[12:45] <mous_> any good tutorial on how to package scripts
[12:46] <ancky> my screen has a very low resolution and it can't be changed
[12:46] <ancky> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#Low.2FMissing_Screen_Resolutions didn't help me
[12:47] <ancky> The good thing is I have a pc with the same graphics card where higher resolutions work
[12:47] <ancky> I tried to install the same drivers and match configurations but one is still not working
[12:48] <ancky> or has a low resolution
[12:48] <BluesKaj> how many monitors?
[12:48] <Tobias4X> ancky: is it, by any chance, vga?
[12:48] <ancky> 1
[12:48] <ancky> its dvi
[12:48] <Tobias4X> ancky: thats usual tough, your monitor doesnt send EDID
[12:48] <BluesKaj> which nvidia gpu , ancky?
[12:48] <Tobias4X> i had that too
[12:49] <Tobias4X> you can try to force xrandr
[12:49] <ancky> NVIDIA GK107 [GeForce GT 640]
[12:49] <ancky> Tobias4X: is there an option?
[12:49] <Tobias4X> but it usually crashes. can you connect via hdmi?
[12:49] <ZombieHyperdrive> whats the difference between xrandr and arandr if any?
[12:49] <Tobias4X> ZombieHyperdrive: no idea. never looked into that
[12:50] <ancky> Tobias4X: I have no hdmi screen here right now
[12:51] <Tobias4X> ancky: try connecting differently or to another monitor thats confirmed working
[12:51] <Tobias4X> in 99% of cases missing EDID is the problem
[12:51] <ancky> Tobias4X: xrandr says: cannot find mode "1920x1200"
[12:51] <ioria> ancky, try  $ sudo gedit /etc/modules and add a line containing nvidia  : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaManual
[12:52] <ancky> Tobias4X: I tried 3 monitors, all working
[12:52] <Tobias4X> ancky: you have to add it before
[12:52] <Tobias4X> ioria:  its an monitor problem
[12:52] <ZombieHyperdrive> anchky just for fun try sudo apt-get install arandr
[12:52] <ioria> monitor problem ?
[12:52] <ZombieHyperdrive> in terminal arandr
[12:52] <Tobias4X> trust me, i have the same with an vg monitor
[12:52] <ZombieHyperdrive> yeas
[12:52] <Tobias4X> ioria: it doesnt send edid
[12:53] <BluesKaj> ancky:  which driver are you using ?
[12:53] <Tobias4X> with supported resolutions
[12:53] <ioria> oh...
[12:53] <Tobias4X> maybe you can force it
[12:54] <BluesKaj> too many cooks I think
[12:54] <ZombieHyperdrive> arandr should work
[12:54] <ancky> BluesKaj: nvidia-340
[12:55] <ancky> ioria: mmh both pcs don't have nvidia in there
[12:55] <Tobias4X> ZombieHyperdrive: does arandr support forcing even if it crashes?
[12:55] <ancky> how can I make sure what driver is in use right now?
[12:56] <ioria> ancky, sudo lshw .-c video   | grep driver
[12:56] <ioria> ancky, sudo lshw -c video   | grep driver
[12:56] <ancky> ZombieHyperdrive: arandr is just a gui overlay, seems to be not different from xrandr
[12:58] <ancky> ioria: okay it says nvidia
[12:58] <Tobias4X> ancky: your system is fine, its your mnitor acting up
[12:59] <ZombieHyperdrive> try apt-get install firmware-linux firmware-linux-nonfree
[13:01] <ancky> Tobias4X: its not my monitor, I just tried the monitor from the working station and it doesn't recognize its resolution
[13:02] <ancky> where are the screen configurations if there is no xorg.conf?
[13:02] <BluesKaj> nvidia-xconf?
[13:03] <Tobias4X> ancky: if it doesnt recognize it there either then it would mean im right..
[13:03] <ancky> Tobias4X: it works on one pc and on the other with the same hardware it has a very low resolution and I tried 3 other monitors
[13:04] <ancky> BluesKaj: I read about that but its not in my sources
[13:04] <ZombieHyperdrive> What monitor is it?
[13:04] <ancky> Thinkvision, samsung
[13:04] <BluesKaj> ancky:  locate nvidia-xconfig in the terminal
[13:04] <Tobias4X> ancky: does the device it works on is windows-driven by chance?
[13:06] <ancky> Tobias4X: everything is ubuntu
[13:06] <ancky> its just that people sometimes configure stuff and you loose the overview
[13:07] <Tobias4X> copy xorg.conf  from the working device onto the nonworking?
[13:07] <ZombieHyperdrive> display your /etc/apt/sources.list please
[13:07] <ancky> Tobias4X: there is no xorg.conf on any of them
[13:08] <Tobias4X> no /etc/X11/xorg.conf? you totally sure?
[13:08] <Atomic_8ZIa1> hello
[13:09] <auronandace> !xorgconf
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Tobias4X:  it would be nvidia-xconfig
[13:09] <ZombieHyperdrive> add to the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list # non-free; then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree
[13:09] <ancky> BluesKaj: okay now I found nvidia-xconfig and it created xorg.conf
[13:10] <k1l_> ZombieHyperdrive: ubuntu doesnt use non-free repos
[13:10] <ancky> its still the same resolution but can I just put my resolution in that config file?
[13:10] <Tobias4X> ancky: restart x
[13:11] <BluesKaj> ancky:  usually that's not a requirement , nvidia-xconfig is usually sufficient
[13:12] <ancky> I restarted X and nothing happened I'm uploading the xconfig
[13:15] <BluesKaj> ancky:  it could be something as simple as a bent/broken pin on your dvi connector
[13:16] <ancky> BluesKaj: I tried multiple cables
[13:17] <BluesKaj> ancky:  ok
[13:21] <zathras> How can I fix this please? : perl : Depends: perl-base (= 5.14.2-6ubuntu2) but 5.14.2-6ubuntu2.4 is to be installed
[13:25] <badbodh> zathras: you broke something. what did you install/remove/add-ppa prior to this ?
[13:25] <zathras> badbodh, I did not brake a thing. It is a Dockerfile I am executing, but it is quite old
[13:26] <mustmodify> I'm seeing some entries in syslog that seem to come from cron but I can't find them in anyone's crontab. Is there another way to add cron entries?
[13:26] <akik> zathras: if you try to update both perl and perl-base, does it get resolved?
[13:26] <badbodh> zathras: sudp apt-get install --reinstall perl-base , what happens ? on pastebin
[13:27] <zathras> akik, no it does not.
[13:27] <zathras> To be precise: https://github.com/ldoguin/docker-monitoring/tree/master/nuxeo
[13:28] <zathras> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[13:29] <k1l_> zathras: dont just scratch one half line out of the whole context. please pastebin the whole outputs so we can see and decide what is important informations to solve the issue
[13:29] <k1l_> !paste | zathras
[13:30] <badbodh> yep, you broke it. stick to the packages provided in repository. don;t blindly add ppa/source-code compile, it breaks stuff
[13:32] <zathras> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12624542/
[13:32] <zathras> I did not brake a thing. It is not a dockerfile I wrote
[13:32] <zathras> just trying to install someone else his crap
[13:33] <auronandace> zathras: you didn't have to write it to break it, you just had to install it
[13:33] <zathras> as you can see, the pasted line is the only informational line
[13:33] <badbodh> zathras: language! and don;t be so defensive, we are not flogging you for this. just informing. ^^ and what auronandace says is true.
[13:33] <badbodh> installing foreign packages will break system if you are not caeful
[13:33] <badbodh> *careful
[13:33] <cfhowlett> zathras, adding "someone else's crap" frequently leads to bad things happening.
[13:34] <zathras> cfhowlett, I agree, however this is just a test in a docker environment so not harmfull
[13:35] <kk_drop> how can I add proxy after I connect to vpn with openconnect?
[13:36] <k1l_> zathras: well, go and tell that one that his dockerfile doesnt work
[13:37] <badbodh> we are not really inclined to heal self inflicted wounds. purge whatever you installed, run dpkg --configure -a followed by apt-get install -f
[13:37] <alferox> hello
[13:37] <Maxxi> why is there no .iso for ubuntu snappy?
[13:38] <alferox> i didn't know
[13:38] <auronandace> !snappy | Maxxi
[13:38] <esph> I've got a broken xubuntu install (won't boot), but when I chroot into the install from a liveusb, apt-get tells me xubuntu-desktop is installed and at the newest version. Is there anything I can do from the chroot environment to fix the broken install?
[13:39] <MonkeyDust> Maxxi  auronandace thanks, gonna try that in vmware (15.10 wily)
[13:39] <auronandace> esph: if you can get to grub then you could try different kernels
[13:40] <badbodh> pressing 'shift' a few times should bring up the grub menu
[13:40] <auronandace> esph: while you are in your chroot environment you could add/remove any kernels from the repos
[13:41] <esph> auronandace: I've tried several different kernels (mostly "recovery mode" options). Something else is messed up, it seems
[13:41] <esph> i.e. some configuration is borked/not there anymore
[13:42] <auronandace> esph: you've already determined the SMART data says the disk is fine do you could try fsck from live media
[13:42] <auronandace> esph: i would like to reiterate the advise already given to you about adequate backups too
[13:42] <esph> auronandace: fsck is also fine (now). I corrected a number of errors there already though.
[13:43] <hateball> esph: is it hdd or ssd?
[13:43] <esph> SSD
[13:43] <hateball> esph: what brand?
[13:43] <esph> Samsung
[13:43] <hateball> esph: and model?
[13:43] <badbodh> chroot, reinstall kernel, update-initramfs -a, grub-install | update-grub. followed by apt-get install -f .that should cover all bases.
[13:44] <badbodh> exit chroot, reboot, kill squirrels and profit
[13:44] <hateball> esph: if it's a 8xx series, try adding "libata.force=noncq" to your bootline
[13:44] <esph> hateball: it's a recent EVO
[13:45] <hateball> esph: Then you have.. let me find the bug. anyhow you get around it by doing what I said
[13:45] <hateball> esph: this and related bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fstrim/+bug/1449005
[13:46] <hateball> esph: by default in recent ubuntu installs a cron-job runs fstrim on boot, which will screw unless you tell it to dont do ncq
[13:46] <hateball> esph: which is why you can liveboot, fsck, and then get the error again
[13:47] <mustmodify> For anyone who is curious, I found the mystery extra cron files at /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d/...
[13:47] <esph> hateball: I'm not entirely sure that's the problem, but I'll make sure to read those links
[13:47] <hateball> esph: Sure, just putting it out there. As I have had the same problems.
[13:48] <mentz> I can't get my second monitor to work
[13:48] <hateball> esph: And there is no realworld loss in performance by using those params, so you may as well give it a go
[13:49] <esph> hateball: I'm beyond tired right now, so I'm having trouble keeping more than one thing in my head at a time, haha
[13:49] <esph> I just want it to boot successfully once
[13:49] <hateball> esph: So boot, get into grub, add those boot params
[13:50] <esph> hateball: well, first I have to fix the install
[13:50] <mentz> can anyone help me to get my second monitor working
[13:50] <hateball> esph: well you should be able to get into grub menu
[13:51] <esph> hateball: sure, but you're my install is perfectly fine? I kinda find that hard to believe...
[13:51] <boriseto> Hi guys, I don't know if I'm going to get scolded about the question, but there are so many different posts and opinions about it that I would like somebody from personal aspect to explain it. Anyway, with the recent events, how can I check how secure my installation is? How to make sure that I've what's the best for my OS?
[13:51] <hateball> esph: It probably is. If there's any errors then it should run fsck automatically
[13:52] <mentz> boriseto: What recent events?
[13:52] <hateball> esph: Like I said, I have had the same issues. Refused to boot, or it booted and then froze after a while etc.
[13:52] <boriseto> mentz, http://www.engadget.com/2015/09/29/linux-botnet-hits-with-150-gbps-ddos/ for example. And there are other situations as well, but still...
[13:52] <auronandace> boriseto: what makes you think it might be insecure?
[13:52] <hateball> esph: But adding those boot params, I got back in and no data loss
[13:52] <esph> hateball: I've already nuked stuff with fsck though, I think
[13:53] <esph> hateball: I ran it on the root partition and "fixed" a bunch of things. The /home partition didn't seem to have any problems
[13:54] <hateball> esph: Yes, so it should be fine. Until you boot it again without disabling ncq trim.
[13:54] <boriseto> auronandace, well, not that I think it's insecure, but it would be nice to have some more real facts about it anyway. With the Linux servers  holding the majority of the web, I would think that they might be a target of attacks (with that the desktops could be vulnerable as well).
[13:55] <cfhowlett> boriseto, you're on a server?  #ubuntu-server can advise you.
[13:55] <auronandace> boriseto: have you recently replaced your router? do you use ssh?
[13:55] <mentz> Can anyone please help with second monitor not working suddenly, getitng really annoying
[13:56] <TJ-> mentz: is it reported by "xrandr -q" ?
[13:56] <boriseto> auronandace, yes and yes.
[13:56] <boriseto> cfhowlett, it's more a general Ubuntu question?
[13:56] <mentz> TJ-: Yes, and btw im in elementary OS atm, trying it out, but their irc is dead
[13:57] <auronandace> boriseto: well, check your router for any suspicious connections and also any ssh connections you use
[13:57] <TJ-> mentz: We only support Ubuntu here I'm afraid; if the Elementary support is AWOL you could try ##linux
[13:57] <k1l_> boriseto: see this report: https://isc.sans.edu/forums/diary/XOR+DDOS+Mitigation+and+Analysis/19827/    it got some prevention chapter
[13:58] <boriseto> auronandace, I see, so the general security solution would be to have everything up to date?   k1l_ tnx.
[13:58] <rust> When I am trying to run rails server.I am getting RuntimeUnavailable error!!
[13:58] <mentz> TJ-: It's basically a ubuntu :)
[13:58] <rust> any solution for it ?
[13:58] <cfhowlett> boriseto, fair enough.  my plan: enable ufw, update & dist-upgrade daily.  I've not been breached in years of use.  YMMV
[13:58] <auronandace> mentz: no, it is based on ubuntu but it is not ubuntu
[13:58] <k1l_> boriseto: yes of course. and reduce the useage of 3rd party packages and repos.
[13:59] <esph> hateball: welp, If you'd come along 11 hours ago, I'd be a lot happier right now.
[13:59] <TJ-> mentz: That's like saying Ubuntu is basically Debian, and asking for support in Debian for Ubuntu. They're not the same
[13:59] <k1l_> boriseto: and if its a server, fail2ban is a good method.
[13:59] <esph> hateball: thanks for being stubborn; I probably wouldn't have listenedd otherwise :P
[13:59] <esph> -d
[13:59] <mentz> regretting going over to eos, it's really buggy
[13:59] <rookie> Hi. Bash doesn't recognise files even though they are there. http://i.imgur.com/nGavib8.png. Why does it happen?
[13:59] <cfhowlett> mentz, if your OS of choice doesn't support you, perhaps you should reconsider.  until you install ubuntu , we can't help.  sorry.
[13:59] <TJ-> !elementary | mentz
[14:00] <auronandace> esph: managed to boot it?
[14:00] <esph> auronandace: yeah, it's like nothing ever happened
[14:00] <k1l_> rookie: you will need a ./ for that iirc
[14:01] <auronandace> esph: glad you got it sorted, now you need to emphasise to your sister the importance of backups
[14:01] <hateball> esph: does that mean it boots ok now?
[14:01] <esph> yeah
[14:01] <esph> Well that time
[14:01] <hateball> esph: cool. so edit your default grub options and recreate the grub config etc
[14:01] <esph> What's the correct way to permanently add boot options in Ubuntu? My firefox just crashed and I'm tired as heeck
[14:01] <esph> grub.cfg?
[14:02] <hateball> esph: no, edit /etc/default/grub and add that option
[14:02] <esph> Alright, cool
[14:02] <hateball> esph: and then run sudo update-grub
[14:03] <auronandace> esph: you don't edit grub.cfg manually, that file gets generated from the scripts in /etc/grub.d/ and the stuff in /etc/default/grub
[14:03] <markus_> Hi, does anyone know how to exit picocom?
[14:03] <rookie> @k1l_ but python is a binary isn't it.
[14:05] <DanTheDan> I have network issues with a (ipv6 only) VPS, got ubuntu 14.04 on it. ssh into it, first things first, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade. time to install ruby, copypaste the rvm script and got "couldn't connect to server", weird I thought, rvm.io could be down so naturally I pinged google.com, "Connect: Network is unreachable", and so I went looking into /etc/network/interfaces, but that looks 100% fine, if I do "route -n" it's empty 
[14:05] <rookie> also ./ doesn't work either
[14:05] <DanTheDan> I'm not very experienced with networking :s can someone help me track down the problem?
[14:05] <auronandace> DanTheDan: can you ping 8.8.8.8?
[14:05] <TJ-> rookie: is the file-system that directory is on marked "noexec" ?
[14:05] <DanTheDan> nope
[14:06] <DanTheDan> weird thing is, it can't reach itself
[14:06] <DanTheDan> I ssh into it with putty with it's ipv6 address, works perfectly, I ping it's ipv6 address from my PC, works perfectly, I ping it's ipv6 address from itself, "unknown host"
[14:07] <DanTheDan> I thought it might be the firewall or something but it's probably not it
[14:07] <TJ-> rookie: Also, what does "dpkg --print-architecture" report?
[14:07] <DanTheDan> I assume it has to be a routing problem, but I have no idea what I'm doing
[14:07] <Pici> DanTheDan: you need to use ping6 to ping ipv6 addresses.
[14:08] <TJ-> rookie: and what does "file ./python3" report?
[14:08] <DanTheDan> ah, ping6 works
[14:08] <DanTheDan> I first tried ping -6 $ip, didn't think to google that
[14:09] <loa> hello, where i can get such package? libx264-142
[14:09] <rust> When I am trying to run rails server.I am getting RuntimeUnavailable error!!
[14:09] <loa> in vivid *
[14:09] <rust> any solution for it ?
[14:09] <DanTheDan> alright I can reach the gateway ip
[14:09] <rookie> @TJ- nope other files in other folders execute. I even can copy files. But cant execute
[14:09] <auronandace> !info libx264-142 | loa
[14:10] <reisio> loa: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&suite=all&section=all&keywords=libx264
[14:10] <reisio> loa: what're you going to do with libx264?
[14:10] <rookie> @TJ- dpkg --print-architecture prints amd64
[14:10] <loa> so it is standart lib?
[14:10] <xStark> I'm back guys!
[14:10] <xStark> Thanks guys
[14:10] <auronandace> loa: it is in the universe repo
[14:10] <xStark> I have installed Ubuntu successfully
[14:10] <loa> auronandace, i need enable it?
[14:10] <auronandace> !yay | xStark
[14:10] <reisio> loa: you need to enable the 'universe' repo
[14:10] <xStark> :P
[14:10] <xStark> Windows 7 didnt start the 1st time
[14:11] <xStark> had to force shut down
[14:11] <DanTheDan> so even weirder right, apt-get update works perfectly, so I know the VPS host is probably mirroring the repos, but the previous VPS I had I could see it downloaded the repos from the VPS host, well nevertheless, I can't ping the domain it aptitude says it got the repo info from (http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/)
[14:11] <xStark> started easily 2nd time though
[14:11] <rookie> @TJ- ./python3: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=5d4806148c51b4c25ae8a6e6f07aa58d2421ff1b, stripped
[14:11]  * cfhowlett slides a frothy beverage down the bar towards xstark.  congrats!
[14:12] <xStark> :P ty
[14:12] <TJ-> rookie: rookie OK, so we have a 32-bit executable on a 64-bit host. Lets check you have 32-bit multli-lib support: "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures"
[14:12] <loa> reisio, can't get where i can do this.
[14:12] <DanTheDan> ok ping6 can ping google.com
[14:12] <loa> i can do this from update-manager?
[14:13] <DanTheDan> oh I was doiing it wrong, anyway ping6 gb.archive.ubuntu.com works
[14:13] <auronandace> loa: look for software sources in the dash
[14:13] <rookie> @TJ- it prints i386
[14:13] <DanTheDan> ping6 rvm.io too
[14:13] <easyOnMe> hello everyone
[14:13] <DanTheDan> so I have to tell curl to use ipv6?
[14:13] <rust> Anyone here who knows about RuntimeUnavailable error in rails server ?
[14:13] <easyOnMe> anyone here can tell me how I can find the Python IDE in ubuntu 14.10
[14:14] <auronandace> !14.10 | easyOnMe
[14:14] <TJ-> rookie: OK, so you have i386 mulitlib. Now check if the binary itself is missing some dynamic libraries: "ldd ./python3" any line without a library is a problem. You might want to pastebin the output
[14:14] <DanTheDan> `route -A inet6` works too
[14:14] <DanTheDan> this is weird :p
[14:14] <sb_9> starting mount filesystems on boot fail
[14:15] <easyOnMe> what will I type on my terminal to determine the ubuntu version that I have
[14:15] <easyOnMe> thanks
[14:15] <cfhowlett> lsb_release -a easyOnMe
[14:15] <rookie> @TJ- okay that says not a dynamic executable
[14:15] <pbx> easyOnMe, there's no built-in Python IDE.  if you want IDLE (the standard, though nobody i know uses it): sudo apt-get install idle
[14:15] <easyOnMe> cfhowlett: thanks man
[14:15] <cfhowlett> happy2help! easyOnMe
[14:15] <TJ-> rookie: can you pastebin tht output please. That isn't expected.
[14:15] <DanTheDan> `root@vm17013:~# \curl -6 -sSL https://get.rvm.io | bash -s stable curl: (6) Could not resolve host: raw.githubusercontent.com`
[14:15] <DanTheDan> what?
[14:15] <loa> reisio, i think i have iniverse enabled.
[14:15] <rust> Anyone here who knows about RuntimeUnavailable error in rails server ?
[14:16] <loa> reisio, but i think i have no such package in my cache
[14:16] <cfhowlett> !rust | patience
[14:16] <reisio> loa: what're you going to do with libx264?
[14:16] <cfhowlett> !patience
[14:16] <DanTheDan> `\curl -sSL https://get.rvm.io | bash -s stable curl: (7) Couldn't connect to server`
[14:16] <easyOnMe> pbx: well at least the python terminal
[14:16] <rust> cfhowlett, :) yeah
[14:16] <DanTheDan> I just don't get it
[14:16] <easyOnMe> how can I run it in ubuntu
[14:16] <loa> reisio, i need it for libavcodec-ffmpeg
[14:16] <DanTheDan> what's so special about ipv6? who won't it _just work_
[14:16] <easyOnMe> I heard that ubuntu comes with Python
[14:16] <reisio> loa: and what do you need that for
[14:16] <reisio> easyOnMe: most likely
[14:16] <loa> reisio, for obs-studio
[14:17] <auronandace> easyOnMe: type python in a terminal
[14:17] <rust> easyOnMe, clear the problem
[14:17] <easyOnMe> rust: I want to use the python terminal so that I can see how my python code works
[14:17] <auronandace> easyOnMe: if you are running 14.10 you really need to upgrade though
[14:17] <loa> reisio, actually many of software use that lib... vlc for example
[14:17] <easyOnMe> no I am running ubuntu 14.04
[14:17] <Pici> easyOnMe: just type python on your terminal, thats the python REPL right there.
[14:17] <easyOnMe> 14.04.03 LTS to be exact
[14:18] <DanTheDan> ohkay so raw.githubusercontent.com doesn't have an ipv6 address
[14:18] <easyOnMe> Pici: oh ok
[14:18] <esph> auronandace: alright, sorry to bother you again, but one last thing: when I ran fsck on the / partition a bunch of junk ended up in /lost+found. Could that mean that important system files are trashed now?
[14:18] <rust> easyOnMe, just type python lol
[14:18] <rookie> @TJ- Its just one line. I am sending a screenshot
[14:18] <loa> reisio, libavcodec56 too need that lib
[14:18] <easyOnMe> rust: thanks man
[14:18] <easyOnMe> lol
[14:18] <esph> I'd ask hateball since they had the same exact thing happen, but they left
[14:18] <rust> :)
[14:18] <easyOnMe> Pici: thanks
[14:18] <loa> reisio, i have this lib after update from trusty
[14:18] <DanTheDan> mm no it does
[14:18] <easyOnMe> I didn't know that's how easy it is
[14:18] <easyOnMe> lol
[14:18] <TJ-> rookie: you know you can use pastebinit (if the PC has network connection)? "pastebinit <( ldd ./python3)"
[14:18] <loa> reisio, but i need new version
[14:19] <DanTheDan> ` \curl -6 -sSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wayneeseguin/rvm/master/binscripts/rvm-installer | bash -s stable curl: (6) Could not resolve host: raw.githubusercontent.com`
[14:19] <DanTheDan> why won't it work ;_;
[14:19] <Pici> easyOnMe: if you have questions about python itself, just /join #python (although you'll need to be registered and identified on freenode to join (see /msg nickserv help register))
[14:19] <auronandace> esph: i'm not the best to answer that question sorry, i've never needed to recover anything from lost+found
[14:19] <easyOnMe> Pici: no problem
[14:19] <loa> reisio, i have now such situation http://pastebin.com/hGnFUkpk
[14:19] <easyOnMe> thanks for the info
[14:20] <easyOnMe> you're cool man
[14:20] <pbx> DanTheDan, sounds like you have a dns problem
[14:20] <DanTheDan> I've got dns nameservers configured
[14:20] <sb_9> starting mount filesystems on boot fail
[14:20] <xStark> What's a good junk cleaning tool for Ubuntu
[14:20] <DanTheDan> the domain translates properly
[14:20] <rookie> @TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/12624793/
[14:20] <reisio> https://rvm.io/rvm/install
[14:20] <reisio> xStark: junk?
[14:20] <DanTheDan> I uploaded the script to bpaste
[14:20] <TJ-> DanTheDan: because the CNAME doesn't have an AAAA record: "raw.github.map.fastly.net.     IN      AAAA"
[14:20] <xStark> yeah, like CCleaner is for Windows
[14:20] <auronandace> sb_9: are you just going to keep repeating that or will you provide some context to let someone help you?
[14:21] <DanTheDan> TJ-: ah, hmm
[14:21] <reisio> xStark: Unix systems don't have that kind of junk, all the data is managed by the package manager
[14:21] <esph> auronandace: I've actually done it once before, but of course then I knew what I was looking for (a userland file). I guess there's nothing to do but wait to see if it breaks.
[14:21] <DanTheDan> https://bpaste.net/raw/a9082cbc1308 <-- why this  though?
[14:21] <MonkeyDust> xStark  there's bleachbit, but I prefer Ubuntu-Tweak's Janitor
[14:21] <xStark> reisio: Well I see some junk cleaner tools in the software centre
[14:21] <TJ-> rookie: OK, so you've installed that from somewhere else and its a static binary. Is there a reason you've not using the Ubuntu python3 ?
[14:21] <reisio> xStark: not comparable
[14:22] <reisio> xStark: you can clean up temporary files
[14:22] <auronandace> esph: all the more reason for regular backups of important files, while the system is working
[14:22] <reisio> https://wiki.debian.org/FreeSpace
[14:22] <DanTheDan> oh wait
[14:22] <DanTheDan> I'm stupid aren't I
[14:22] <rust> Anyone here who knows about RuntimeUnavailable error in rails server ?
[14:22] <sb_9> auronandace: i have only error message "starting mount filesystems on boot fail". i didn't get any clue & any other messages
[14:22] <DanTheDan> hmm no that's not it
[14:23] <pbx> xStark, you can also install Disk Usage Analyzer if you want to find and kill unwanted space hogs. but that is a different thing from windows-style cleanup, which as mentioned above isn't necessary.  do you have a specific problem you're trying to solve?
[14:23] <TJ-> DanTheDan: what's the "\c" in "\curl" for?
[14:23] <rookie> @TJ- yea I am using this python because its in virtualenv and therefore has all the necessary files contained in the folder
[14:23] <DanTheDan> no idea, that's how rvm.io has it though and it always worked for me
[14:23] <rust> http://pastebin.com/VVvx16C9
[14:23] <rust> help
[14:23] <TJ-> rookie: what kind of 'virtualenv' ?
[14:23] <esph> auronandace: right, I've never disagreed with your point. However, I guess I haven't really thought of system files as "important" before now. I guess they'll only be important if their absence causes problems.
[14:23] <xStark> pbx: No particular problem, haha. Just getting to know my way around
[14:23] <DanTheDan> rust: intall node.js
[14:24] <auronandace> esph: sorry, i meant to backup the files you need, those that are valuable to your sister, it is far easier to fresh install and keep those files separate than try to piece together bits of a half broken system
[14:25] <DanTheDan> so I wget the script to the vps, I run it and...
[14:25] <DanTheDan> `# ./rvmsc : No such file or directory`
[14:25] <DanTheDan> I don't even, what?
[14:25] <DanTheDan> the script is fine
[14:25] <DanTheDan> no extra chars or anything
[14:25] <DanTheDan> `# sh ./rvmsc : not found ./rvmsc: ./rvmsc: 3: ./rvmsc: shopt: not found ./rvmsc: 4: set: Illegal option -o errtrace`
[14:25] <DanTheDan> w.h.a.t
[14:25] <rookie> @TJ- standard python Virtualenv. I installed it with pip in the remote computer. generated all the files. Installed pip and virtualenv in my own computer . Then copied the entire virtualenv dir
[14:26] <auronandace> DanTheDan: if you keep using enter as punctuation frequently enough the bot might think you are trying to spam
[14:27] <DanTheDan> `# cat ./rvmsc | bash -s stable bash: line 2: $'\r': command not found : invalid shell option nameb : invalid option namertrace : invalid option namerexit bash: line 6: $'\r': command not found bash: line 7: syntax error near unexpected token `$'\r'' 'ash: line 7: `rvm_install_initialize()`
[14:27] <akik> \c makes it so that if you have a c alias it's not used
[14:27] <DanTheDan> I'm 100% flabbergaster
[14:27] <DanTheDan> *flabbergasted
[14:27] <DanTheDan> akik: ah, that's interseting
[14:28] <DanTheDan> *interesting
[14:28] <DanTheDan> maybe I should ask in #rvm
[14:33] <TJ-> Dany0: I've fixed it
[14:35] <Guest3216> Hello
[14:35] <reisio> 'lo
[14:35] <TJ-> Dany0: the problem is the script being returned contains Carriage Returns
[14:35] <TJ-> Dany0: Try: "curl -6 -sSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wayneeseguin/rvm/master/binscripts/rvm-installer | tr -d \\r | bash -s stable"
[14:36] <TJ-> rookie: Hmmmm, I'm not familiar with virtualenv
[14:36] <Oimi> I would like to encrypt my fiesystem, but what I've been able to find so far requires interaction to boot up. I do not wish to fill in a passwd. I simply wish that if mounted my SD Card (on which my whole FS is) shows nothing.
[14:37] <Oimi> shows "scrambled data" . Any way to go about this?
[14:38] <auronandace> Oimi: how do you plan to unencrypt it if you don't have a password/key?
[14:38] <TJ-> Oimi: that isn't possible unless the encryption uses a key. You either supply it as a pass-phrase, *or* as a key-file. In the latter case you need to provide the key-file at boot-time too
[14:39] <rookie> @TJ- could you explain the static binaries a bit?
[14:39] <Dany0> TJ-: thanks <3 but it's still having problems connecting to github.com
[14:40] <Dany0> so I was going to do this in the end but I have no idea what the implications are
[14:41] <TJ-> Dany0: That's an IPv6 issue because of the use of fastly for CDN I assuem
[14:41] <Dany0> hmm
[14:41] <Dany0> TJ-: so if I use this: https://tunnelbroker.net/ could this solve the problem?
[14:41] <TJ-> rookie: the virtualenv tutorial I've just looked at doesn't show any step where you manually run the python binary, what instructions are you following
[14:42] <TJ-> Dany0: I'm not sure, you'd have to test it. Does it *have* to use IPv6 to fetch the content?
[14:42] <Dany0> what "it"? the tunnelbroker thing?
[14:42] <Dany0> oh rvm?
[14:42] <Dany0> TJ-: yeah the VPS is ipv6 only
[14:43] <Dany0> won't work if any of the hops don't support it
[14:43] <TJ-> Dany0: then you'd need to use a 6to4 tunnel somewhere
[14:43] <akik> Dany0: tunnelbroker.net is used when you have ipv4 and want to use ipv6
[14:43] <Dany0> are you sure? :D
[14:44] <rookie> @TJ- You can run them manually but preffered way is to use activate shell script. I have tried that too. Doesn't work. But works fine in remote computer
[14:46] <Dany0> akik: alright I think I was misunderstanding a blog post
[14:46] <TJ-> Dany0: See https://community.fastly.com/t/ipv6-internet-protocol-version-6-support/356/3
[14:47] <TJ-> Dany0: you should report that to github since they're CNAME-ing one of their IPv6 hostnames incorrectly
[14:48] <nicomachus> this IPv6 transition is gonna be fun, isn't it?
[14:49] <MonkeyDust> nicomachus  call it a challenge
[14:50] <Dany0> nicomachus: IT'S ALREADY FUN CAN'T YOU SEE MY EYES ARE BLEEDING FROM ALL THE FUN I'M HAVING
[14:51] <rust> Opening folders and files is very slow.any solution for it ?
[14:51] <Dany0> :D
[14:51] <nicomachus> heh. Google gave me one for my home network a few months ago. It's been dandy.
[14:52] <Dany0> rust: yes the problem is nautilus, as of now nautilus issue #1: it's objectively pretty, well, pretty much shit stands not corrected
[14:52] <Dany0> pull requests welcome
[14:52] <nicomachus> language, Dany0
[14:52] <Oimi> Sorry was a bit preoccupied with some stuff over here.
[14:52] <rust> ok
[14:53] <Dany0> k :p
[14:54] <lovea> join #juju
[14:54] <loa> how i can get list of packages which exists only local, but not in repositories?
[14:54] <Oimi> TJ-, So, ok... so how can I protect data I have in that case. Knowing that the item is a RPI and anyone can have access to the SD Card basically. and it's on a remote site. How would I be able to protect my "drive"
[14:55] <Oimi> TJ-, the issue is that if it's not booted up, it doesn't sign in the VPN and if it doesn't sign in the VPN I don't have access to it.
[14:56] <ved> hii
[14:56] <Oimi> Hey
[14:56] <TJ-> rookie: I just tested python3-virtualenv here and it all works fine
[14:57] <ved> i installed ubuntu studio yesterday but desktop automatically change and icons also removes
[14:57] <Dany0> so this blog (in czech, sorry, gtranslate it) http://ifanda.cz/it/linux/2015-03-22-presmerovani-ipv4-a-ipv6/ is said to fix my issue but I'm not quite following what it says
[14:57] <rookie> @TJ- what did you test?
[14:57] <ved> what is the solution and why it is happenning?
[14:58] <Dany0> ok I think this is the thing: http://backreference.org/2012/12/18/ipv4-to-ipv6-communication-and-viceversa-some-kludges/
[14:58] <ved> ??
[14:58] <nicomachus> !patience | ved
[14:58] <Dany0> but I'm reading words and my brain goes empty
[14:59] <Oimi> ved, your question is quite unclear. "You installed Ubuntu studio and icons changed" quite vague
[15:00] <ved> yupp icons removes like home, trash, drives after some time laptop start
[15:01] <Dany0> so this command: `socat TCP4-LISTEN:3306,fork,su=nobody TCP6:[2a01:188:75d:1::2]:3306` maps all TCP ipv4 connections to ipv6? just like magic? what? maybe I should ask in #linux
[15:01] <TJ-> rookie: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12625011/
[15:02] <ved> i mean to say icons on desktop hide automatically after few minutes of laptop start
[15:03] <ved> and right click menu also changed it not shown like before
[15:03] <dersand> question about bootable ubunto from usb: If i do the process to make an usb bootable with ubuntu, have i done it right if i have a file that's called wubi.exe?
[15:03] <TJ-> Oimi: you can't stop it booting using encryption unless the device has some way to receive the pass-phrase at start-up. You could encrypt a file-system other than the root file-system so the device boots but doesn't have access to the vital programs/data until you unlock it via a remote connection
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> dersand  wubi is a pseudo-installation, avoid it
[15:04] <nicomach1s> "/alias hidelevels.set set activity_hide_level parts joins quits nicks modes"
[15:04] <akik> Dany0: maybe this could be of use to you https://www.sixxs.net/tools/gateway/
[15:04] <rookie> @TJ- yup thats works for me too. but I copied the venv from remote computer to local computer. And bash doesnt execute the python in the local computer.
[15:04] <ioria> ved you mean you have no icons on desktop  ?
[15:04] <dersand> Monkeydust allright, my computer wont boot from that usb, so i have no idea if i have setup the usb correctly
[15:05] <TJ-> rookie: You don't directly execute the interpreter inside the venv, from what I've seen. You start the venv using the host's regular python. But, best to ask the Python support people, it's not an Ubuntu issue.
[15:05] <akik> This portal gives IPv6 capable http-clients access to IPv4-only websites
[15:06] <Dany0> akik: I'm concerned as it talks about http, why make it only work with one protocol?
[15:06] <ved> only system icons hide like home, trash, drives..only custom software shortcut is shown on desktop
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> dersand  here's the normal way: insert USB, start pc, hit F12, select USB, follow instructions
[15:06] <rookie> @TJ- thanks. will do.
[15:06] <akik> Dany0: oh sorry, https is not suppored :(
[15:06] <TJ-> Dany0: you can't have a proxy *and* use TLS, that's the entire point of TLS!
[15:07] <Dany0> TLS?
[15:07] <TJ-> Dany0: Tranport Layer Security
[15:07] <TJ-> s/Tranport/Transport/
[15:07] <dersand> MonkeyDust yes, but it just says "loading operative system ..." for 10 minutes. It couldn't possibly take more than 10 minutes for the latest ubunto to load on a mid range PC?
[15:07] <ioria> ved i'm not sure to get your issue ... but give a look here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2225322
[15:07] <Dany0> I have a vague idea about what TLS is, just why are you mentioning TLS all of the sudden
[15:07] <Dany0> don't see how it relates
[15:07] <TJ-> Dany0: because you're using it! HTTPS
[15:08] <MonkeyDust> dersand  where did you get the .iso?
[15:08] <ved> thanks ioria
[15:08] <Dany0> what https? I'm not worried about https, I mean if what akik posted only supports http, ie no telnet, ssh, custom ports
[15:08] <Dany0> :s
[15:08] <dersand> MonkeyDust ubunto.com/desktop/download
[15:08] <TJ-> Dany0: HTTPS uses TLS with X509 public key cryptography for end-to-end encryption between source and destination.
[15:09] <dersand> MonkeyDust ubunto.com/download/desktop sorry, mixed them up
[15:09] <xStark> https does have that heartsbleed bug or something
[15:09] <Dany0> ._.
[15:09] <TJ-> Dany0: you said "akik: I'm concerned as it talks about http, why make it only work with one protocol" ... so use HTTP not HTTPS and you avoid the TLS/proxy issues
[15:09] <MonkeyDust> dersand  and you don't even get into the live session? (try ubuntu)
[15:10] <nicomach1s> xStark: heartbleed has been patched.
[15:10] <dersand> MonkeyDust sorry, don't know much about ubuntu
[15:10] <xStark> nicomachls: Well, that's certainly great news
[15:10] <Dany0> ok
[15:10] <MonkeyDust> dersand  can you see "try ubuntu" on your screen?
[15:11] <dersand> MonkeyDust here is a preview in windows how the usb looks like http://i.imgur.com/4Easdh5.png
[15:11] <xStark> dersand: Don't use wubi
[15:12] <dersand> I clicked on the 14.0.1 LTS version, is that the right one? xStark MonkeyDust
[15:12] <xStark> dersand: Restart your PC and boot from your flash drive/CD (whatever drive you've installed your Ubuntu .iso file)
[15:12] <MonkeyDust> dersand  ok, now restart the pc and hit F12 untill you can select USB
[15:12] <xStark> Yeah
[15:12] <xStark> Sometimes it might be the escape key
[15:12] <xStark> For me it's the escape key
[15:13] <dersand> xStark MonkeyDust Yes that's the thing, i'll bring up the boot menu, select the drive, but nothing happends
[15:13] <Dany0> dersand: wubi is 200% deprecated
[15:13] <Dany0> last I heard
[15:13] <dersand> so i'm just trying out here, if i have installed the usb right
[15:13] <dersand> i guess i have?
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> wubi wasnt even good when development was active
[15:14] <datnig> Hi all, I have a Touchsmart 300 that is working fine with exception of hardware volume buttons. Was thinking of using xbindkeys but "showkey" returns nothing when I run it and press the buttons. Any other suggestions?
[15:14] <xStark> dersand: As soon as you select the drive, you'll either have a bunch of options on your screen or you're gonna have like 2 options in a window that are "Install Ubuntu" and "Try Ubuntu"
[15:14] <xStark> Click on any one of the options
[15:14] <ActionParsnip> datnig: run:   xev    when you press the keys, do they genrate evernts?
[15:14] <xStark> Even if you have a huge screen with a bunch of options, just select "Try Ubuntu"
[15:15] <datnig> ActionParsnip: unfortunately no
[15:15] <xStark> And wait for a few seconds
[15:15] <dersand> xStark and if none of those options appear for over 10 minutes, is my installation of ubuntu faulty?
[15:15] <xStark> dersand: Most likely, it is.
[15:15] <xStark> dersand: Which program did you use to install your Ubuntu .iso file onto a flash drive?
[15:15] <dersand> Allright, well then, let's try it again then
[15:15] <dersand> first one from pendrive.come universal something
[15:16] <xStark> dersand: I suggest you use the one from www.pendrivelinux.com
[15:16] <dersand> xStark, that's the one i tried
[15:16] <Dany0> akik: alright I understans sixxs now
[15:16] <Dany0> *understand
[15:16] <dersand> with ubuntu 14.0.1 or whatever
[15:16] <ved> i find the solution guys.
[15:16] <ved> also installed nautilus
[15:17] <ActionParsnip> datnig: are there any bugs reported?
[15:17] <ved> thats y after some tym nautilus automatically open
[15:17] <Dany0> dersand: maybe you should try elementary os instead http://elementaryos.org/
[15:17] <xStark> dersand: Tell me the exact options you selected while using the tool from www.pendrivelinux.com
[15:17] <datnig> ActionParsnip: no output at all from xev.  tried googling my model and seems nobody has tried doing this before
[15:17] <akik> Dany0: your problem is quite interesting to me as it shows that just going only ipv6 has its own problems
[15:17] <nyc-h0st> is it me or is it not possible to truncate the udev log file?
[15:17] <Dany0> hahaha
[15:17] <Dany0> it's quite a surprise for me as well
[15:18] <dersand> I downloaded the second one "Universal USB Installer Ease as in 1,2 3"
[15:18] <ActionParsnip> nyc-h0st: if its a text file you can cat /dev/null to the file to empty it
[15:18] <dersand> i guess that's my issue, i downloaded the installer and not the boot version? xSTark
[15:18] <ActionParsnip> nyc-h0st: or just run:    > file      obviously, change file to the actual file
[15:18] <Dany0> the vps host offers ipv4 addresses for half the cost of a basic vps... monthly, so I thought, hell it's 2015, everyone uses ipv6 by now, right?
[15:19] <nyc-h0st> ActionParsnip it seems to be a text file but no cat, echo or other magic will trucnate it 'permission denied'
[15:19] <ActionParsnip> nyc-h0st: cat /dev/null | sudo tee filename
[15:19] <xStark> dersand: WAIT A SECOND
[15:19] <xStark> oops caps
[15:20] <dersand> xStark, do i want the "Yumi" or the "UUI"?
[15:20] <Dany0> no self-respecting man ever says "oops caps", CAPS ARE CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL, MAN
[15:20] <MonkeyDust> dersand  make sure you use the desktop version, not the server version
[15:20] <Dany0> embrace it 8)
[15:20] <xStark> dersand: Even I used the "Easy as 123" one. It worked perfectly
[15:20] <nyc-h0st> ActionParsnip, that worked thx, why did it work with tee?
[15:20] <Oimi> Alright, I have looked again with fresh eyes and found that what I would be looking for is something similar to eCryptfs or EncFS. Which would allow me to encrypt selected files / directories and would allow for a post login decryption meaning even if the system starts up and someone logs in, they still need to decrypt my files. (Easy but let's not make it easier by leaving all unencrypted). So anyone who's a bit savvy with any of those encr
[15:20] <Oimi> yption types?
[15:20] <Alet> Hi all!
[15:20] <Alet> Could somebody say where am I can get a list of pgp keys of official people of Ubuntu?
[15:20] <dersand> Allright then, let's format the usb and begin from scratch
[15:21] <xStark> dersand: Great then
[15:21] <dersand> ubuntu version 14.0.1 is fine?
[15:21] <johnny_linux> LTS
[15:21] <xStark> Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS is the one with the long term support
[15:21] <xStark> But any version works
[15:22] <xStark> dersand: Before we continue. I would like to know the source of your .iso file
[15:22] <MonkeyDust> Alet  launchpad.net
[15:22] <dersand> xStark ubunto.com/downloads/desktop
[15:22] <dersand> i just searched ubunto iso on google and got the first one
[15:23] <k1l_> dersand: xStark any 14.04 release is a LTS release. the last digit .1 or .2 or .3 is just a "pointrelease" like you know the servicepack from windows. it got all updates bundled in already
[15:23] <auronandace> dersand: there is no o in ubuntu
[15:23] <xStark> dersand: I don't see the webpage...
[15:23] <k1l_> dersand: so i would o for the 14.04.3 iso if you plan to install. but you can use the 14.04.1 and run the updates after the install.
[15:23] <xStark> I'll be right back
[15:23] <dersand> well the filename is "ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64" so i guess it's the latest?
[15:23] <k1l_> dersand: yes. that is fine
[15:24] <xStark> It's not the latest
[15:24] <xStark> It's the long term support one
[15:24] <TJ-> !download | dersand
[15:24] <xStark> And the one recommended
[15:24] <k1l_> xStark: its the latest 14.04 LTS version. so its fine for him when he wants LTS.
[15:24] <dersand> is that okay for making a bootable or should i use the other one (15.04)?
[15:24] <xStark> No its ok
[15:24] <xStark> It will do
[15:25] <Alet> MonkeyDust: thanks
[15:25] <k1l_> dersand: dont make it too complicated right now. that 14.04.3 is totally fine now.
[15:25] <dersand> roger that
[15:25] <elieocto> hi all
[15:25] <dersand> so, it's not a compromised source? The file itself is good?
[15:26] <k1l_> dersand: what OS are you on right now?
[15:26] <dersand> w10
[15:26] <Dany0> so bitbucket doesn't support ipv6 either :S
[15:26] <datnig> ActionParsnip: other ideas?
[15:26] <ActionParsnip> datnig: all I can suggest is report a bug.
[15:27] <k1l_> dersand: you can check the .iso md5sum hash. so you know if that .iso is a original one or if there was an issue on the download: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#MD5SUM_on_Windows
[15:27] <Dany0> dersand: https://elementary.io/docs/installation
[15:27] <linocisco> hi all, my ubuntu 15.04 has problem printing to Canon LBP 3050 Printer via USB. print jobs are pending and not processing
[15:28] <k1l_> Dany0: this is #ubuntu
[15:28] <Dany0> and?
[15:28] <linocisco> hi all, my ubuntu 15.04 x64 has problem printing to Canon LBP 3050 Printer via USB. print jobs are pending and not processing
[15:28] <akik> Dany0: what is the company where you bought your vps?
[15:28] <Dany0> akik: wedos
[15:28] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: have you tried adding the latest HPLIP from the HPLIP site?
[15:28] <linocisco> ActionParsnip, what is HPLIP ?
[15:28] <k1l_> Dany0: for elementary OS please see their channels and support.
[15:28] <xStark> back
[15:28] <Dany0> I'm trying to help dersand
[15:28] <xStark> My keyboards broken
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: its the universal driver for nearly all HP printers
[15:29] <linocisco> ActionParsnip, it is cannon
[15:29] <k1l_> Dany0: the elementary site is not helping on a ubuntu install
[15:29] <xStark> dersand: Did you format USB and try to install .iso file on it again
[15:29] <dersand> xStark, not yet
[15:29] <Dany0> dersand seems to be ignoring me anyway
[15:29] <TJ-> linocisco: Have you checked the /var/log/cups/ entries for clues?
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: sorry, brainfart
[15:29] <dersand> k1l_ where can i find the md5 checksum for my lts version?
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: did you get the driver from the Canon site? They make debs for some of their devices :)
[15:30] <linocisco> ActionParsnip, ubuntu detected and when I installed downloaded 64bit CAPT driver, it was installed and connected to localhost in printer list with green tick sign
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: check the Canon Europe site
[15:30] <auronandace> !md5 | dersand
[15:30] <k1l_> dersand: http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04.3/MD5SUMS
[15:30] <dersand> k1l_ yeah it's the same
[15:31] <k1l_> dersand: ok, then make it a bootable usb, and then reboot and go
[15:31] <xStark> Then it should be able to be installed into a USB flash drive easily
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: im not seeing a LBP 3050 on the Canon website
[15:31] <linocisco> TJ-, there are lots of error files .gz
[15:32] <dersand> xStark k1l_ http://i.imgur.com/L4R67J4.png
[15:32] <TJ-> linocisco: you can view them using 'less /var/log/cups/<filename>' (less knows to pipe .gz compressed files through gunzip)
[15:32] <k1l_> dersand: the us drive will be erased, so if you want to keep some data copy that before
[15:32] <xStark> dersand: So far, so good. Press create. Try to to interrupt it in between.
[15:33] <dersand> k1l_ no sensative data so we're good
[15:33] <TJ-> linocisco: But most recent files won't be compressed, such as 'error_log' and 'access_log'
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: try removing the printer powering it off, after rebooting, log back in then power on the printer
[15:34] <linocisco> TJ-, yes. some are not compressed
[15:34] <xStark> dersand: First it'll extract some files, so the status bar won't move for a few minutes.
[15:34] <xStark> All you can do now is wait
[15:34] <dersand> halv way there
[15:34] <linocisco> ActionParsnip, TJ- the one I installed is Linux_CAPT_PrinterDriver_V260_uk_EN.tar.gz
[15:35] <linocisco> ActionParsnip, TJ- I dont remember where I got it . But I am sure I first referred to ubuntu CAPT official link
[15:35] <dersand> k1l_ xStark http://i.imgur.com/YU738Z1.png
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> linocisco: try the steps, it should readd the printer using the current drivers and may help
[15:36] <k1l_> dersand: reboot, choose usb on boot, done
[15:36] <dersand> k1l_ i don't need to reboot the computer i just did the installation on, right?
[15:37] <dersand> but rather the one i want to boot on
[15:37] <auronandace> dersand: you want to boot from the usb, this means you need to reboot
[15:37] <k1l_> dersand: you installed a live-ubuntu onto the usb drive.
[15:38] <linocisco> ActionParsnip, TJ- thanks. that didn't help as I can't find correct driver yet. btw. let me come back online after 15 mins max. excuse me
[15:38] <auronandace> dersand: plug it into the computer you want to boot from
[15:38] <k1l_> dersand: ah ok. yes unmount it and put it in the pc you want to boot. then choose usb boot in the boot-menu there
[15:38] <dersand> k1l_ gotcha
[15:38] <xStark> dersand: You installed it into a flash drive, nothing else
[15:38] <xStark> You must plug the USB into a desired device
[15:38] <xStark> and boot from the USB
[15:39] <dersand> yeah i know how to boot, it's just that i have two computers. One who i want to boot from and the other one which i'm sitting on right now, on irc and installing the drive
[15:39] <C_minus> hello guys. what does this sound like to you: ubuntu 14.04 has problems connecting to home WIFI (often doesn't connect at all, or takes several attempts), but no problems connecting at work, school, public, phone tethers etc. Also, all other computers, including same laptop's Win7 partition connect to home WIFI without problems.
[15:40] <akik> Dany0: nat64 seems to be what you want, or else buy a ipv4 address :)
[15:42] <dersand> k1l_ xStark it's been like two minutes now... https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/Po8zgxGDVX84InxpwjWl9va3CQVESGDR/20150930_174117.jpg
[15:42] <dersand> also sorry for long link
[15:42] <xStark> dersand: Wait for a few more minutes, let us know.
[15:42] <k1l_> dersand: yes. that takes some time. usb is slow
[15:43] <dersand> xStark k1l_ roger roger
[15:45] <dersand> sorry accidently closed irc
[15:46] <xStark> dersand: Any changes?
[15:46] <TJ-> dersand: "Loading Operating System ..." may not be a message from the installer; I strongly suspect that is from the PC's BIOS/Firmware. That suggests the installer isn't being booted correctly. What make/model is the PC?
[15:47] <dersand> xStark nothing
[15:47] <dersand> TJ- it's a custom pc. Gigabyte z68 motherboard
[15:47] <xStark> I agree with TJ
[15:47] <Dany0> akik: yup that sounds like a solution. a very complicated one. in the meantime, I've got myself an innovative solution! \:D/ I'll get latest ruby by upgrading to 15.04 :D
[15:47] <xStark> Is the version of windows 10 legit
[15:47] <dersand> xStark my w10 is legit
[15:48] <TJ-> dersand: I re-fixed a ISO boot issue recently, whereby buggy BIOS implementations cause the boot to fail just like that. I suspect you may be affected by the same issue.
[15:48] <dersand> i'll leave it running, i have to go but i will be back, please whisper me stuff if you feel the need and i will respond to it
[15:48] <TJ-> dersand: Do you have access to another working Linux PC, so we could easily apply the potential workaround ?
[15:49] <dersand> tj- i'll get back to that in like 20-30-40 minutes. Whisper me if so i don't have to scroll back so much up later ^^
[15:49]  * Dany0 slaps TJ- around a bit with a large fishbot
[15:49] <Dany0> oops
[15:49] <Dany0> sorry I wantedo query, misclicked in webchat
[15:50] <akik> Dany0: here's another link for the gateways http://hydra.geht.net/tino/english/opinion/ipv6/ipv4/list/
[15:51] <TJ-> dersand: FYI bug 277903
[15:52] <Guest64566> for the trusty repo of ubuntu there is approximately 45940 packages in the repo i am wondering if anybody has older ubuntu os's like ...10 ,12 ,....etc and can give me a sudo apt-cache search . | wc -l
[15:53] <Guest64566> so i can determine the growth of the repo's between os's versions
[15:53] <TJ-> Guest64566: you can pull the package lists in manually from the repos
[15:53] <akik> Dany0: it looks like you only have to set up the dns servers in the configuration
[15:54] <Dany0> can you point where it says that because I'm browsing this and Ecdysis and I'm struggling to find instructions :s
[15:55] <Dany0> found it!
[15:55] <Guest64566> TJ how are you suggesting to do that i have all the repo sections like source code packages , main repo , proprietery repo ,multiverse check under the ubuntu software center
[15:56] <akik> Dany0: test it and report back. i have a ipv4 address and a tunnel from tunnelbroker.net. really interesed about your results
[15:56] <Guest64566> but imagine i would have to turn all these on and point to the different repo's when issuing apt-cache search .
[15:56] <Guest64566> like lucid repo ,...etc
[15:56] <Dany0> alrighty then, just for you
[15:57] <akik> :)
[15:57] <TJ-> Guest64566: don't use apt-cache; pull the package lists in directly and parse them
[15:59] <TJ-> Guest64566: E.g. something like "wget -O - http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/source/Sources.bz2 | bunzip2 -c | grep '^Package:' | wc -l"  ... and make that more generic so you scan multiple releases (breezy, feisty, hardy, lucid, etc), and multiple components (main, universe, multiverse, restricted)
[15:59] <lehzm> could anyone recommend a good piece of software to do bulk rename of files?
[16:00] <lehzm> similar to tag & rename on windows?
[16:00] <TJ-> Guest64566: note that my example counts the source-code packages; multiple binary packages are often created by a source package so you many want to modify that to fetch the binary package lists instead
[16:00] <TJ-> lehzm: "man rename"
[16:01] <Guest64566> O i was thinking there was a way with apt-add-repository but then i would have to specifically add and remove repo's to get that affect not even sure it would work this way... though if i had the source.list file for each os's version i could probably switch out them temporarily
[16:01] <TJ-> Guest64566: That'd be the hard way to do it.
[16:01] <Technobliterator> I just downloaded an update for my game, and now it's giving the error: "Failed to create OpenGL context"
[16:01] <Technobliterator> anyway to fix this problem?
[16:04] <Guest64566> I notice your os's your missing some is there away to get all the os versions package repo's in one newest thru olds
[16:05] <Guest64566> And yes i am ok with regex to grep for specific repo or specific things thanks for that process i do think it would be the easier way to go then doing it with add-apt-repo... way
[16:05] <lehzm> TJ-: thanks ill check it out
[16:06] <TJ-> Guest64566: the URL I gave you is for the retired releases (no longer supported). The currently supported releases are on archive.ubuntu.com
[16:08] <Guest64566> willy is the newest repo / os's version package repo's
[16:08] <Pici> wily*
[16:08] <Guest64566> ya cool thanks
[16:10] <Guest64566> O one more thing is source packages can one compile these to create the binary packages. if so then i am wondering if one compiles a source package will he have any dependency issues or is that taken care of by apt-get install at the time you install the source package
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> Technobliterator: which game?
[16:13] <Guest64566> because i know if one downloads source .tar files you can get library dependency issues that create package hell but does down loading the source package always get around this so one has no issue in building the package from source. if so then why do we have the binary packages why not safe space and only provide source packages that people just issue ./configure ; make ; make install or with a few commands
[16:14] <genii> Guest64566: Because if you're really hell-bent on compiling them from source, it's much easier to just use the built in apt-build
[16:14] <Guest64566> I am just trying to figure out the benift of having it in a source package or binary package if one is not going to modify the code in any way what would be the differences... won't the source package downloads create the binary packages that you could down load directly anyway
[16:17] <Guest64566> well i am curious if one downloads the source package with apt-get install will it clear up any building issues that could go wrong with ./configure ; make ; make install or the building/dependencies for it
[16:18] <Guest64566> basically does apt-get install for source packages clear up dependency issues for compilation of the source package or is it still going to be like downloading a tar having to correct package issues
[16:20] <genii> Guest64566: You do beforehand apt-get build-dep <packagename>
[16:20]  * genii wanders out to grab his lunch
[16:20] <Guest64566> I know binary package apt-get install clears up the issues of installing a built program i.e is smart enough to find from .deb format all the dependencies and clear up any installing issues... so was wondering for source packages does it also download the dependencies / clear issue that arise when building the source package
[16:21] <TJ-> Guest64566: If we really wanted to build from source the procedure is: "PKG="package-name"; apt-get source ${PKG}; apt-get build-dep ${PKG}; cd ${PKG}-${VERSION}; fakeroot debian/rules binary" - at that poing we have the compiled binaries in the parent directory ready for installation.
[16:21] <tgm4883> Guest64566: genii just told you how to get the build dependencies
[16:21] <A124> Ubuntu sucks balls .. well note ven that :D
[16:22] <Guest64566> well all i do currently is apt-get install which may do that in the back sense for binary packages so was curious about the source packages and weather i would get any issues of compiling them
[16:25] <Guest64566> O so then what is the difference between apt-get source  and downloading using apt-get install sourcepackagename
[16:25] <ignacio> Guest64566,
[16:25] <ignacio> man apt-get
[16:26] <Dany0> I used `useradd` to add a new user, but it did not create a home directory for him nor did it copy a default .bashrc, is that not the preferred way to add users?
[16:26] <akik> Dany0: useradd has option -m to create the home dir
[16:26] <tgm4883> Dany0: you're might be looking for adduser
[16:26] <Dany0> ahh
[16:27] <Guest64566> I just was wondering what the difference was between apt-get install sourcepackage as opposed to apt-get source package ; apt-get build-dep package
[16:27] <Guest64566> for a source package
[16:27] <Dany0> nope
[16:27] <Dany0> tgm4883: "adduser is more user friendly and interactive than its back-end  useradd. There's no difference in features provided"
[16:27] <tgm4883> Guest64566: can you apt-get a source package
[16:27] <TJ-> Guest64566: that won't work: "apt-get install <sourcepackage>" ==> "E: Unable to locate package"
[16:27] <Dany0> maybe I'm ... ah
[16:28] <tgm4883> Dany0: I know that. The fact that it leads you through it makes it a little nicer :)
[16:28] <Guest64566> but then why doesn't apt-cache search . list all the packages in the repo location you have
[16:28] <ioria> repos
[16:28] <tgm4883> Guest64566: it does?
[16:28] <TJ-> adduser also uses skeleton files for creating the home directory, and applies default group memberships
[16:29] <Guest64566> yes even source one right
[16:29] <tgm4883> Guest64566: I'm unsure if it lists source package names, I doubt it
[16:29] <Guest64566> so if your correct if i chose a source package and try to apt-get install it i will get an error and have to apt-get source to install it.. is that what you are saying
[16:30] <Guest64566> Because there the system control center i never have the distinction
[16:30] <Guest64566> so curious at the command line know gui level
[16:31] <tgm4883> Guest64566: I'm not entirely sure what you're asking anymore
[16:31] <Dany0> tgm4883: yess adduser copied over bashrc, yay!
[16:31] <Dany0> thanks
[16:31] <TJ-> Guest64566: People using a GUI almost always are not interested in the source-code packages, so listing them would be a distraction and a confusion
[16:32] <Dany0> I can now set a 20000-character password for root and forget about it, just to be safe in case quantum computers took over the world tomorrow :D
[16:32] <Guest64566> Ok but if you checkbox them on and install them thru the gui the gui is calling apt-get source not apt-get install
[16:32] <Guest64566> yes or no?
[16:33] <TJ-> Guest64566: You'd need to look at the Software Centre source code to determine how it performs te actions. I'd guess it calls library functions rather than a sub-process.
[16:34] <Guest64566> also apt-get download allows one to download a package weather it is source or binary one into any directory he wants but when you issue a apt-get install that package it would install it always to the /bin , /usr/bin ,...etc directories is there away to change where it installs to or is this not allowed because of path/dependency location issues
[16:38] <Guest64566> so i guess if you have a .deb file from apt-get and want to install it must it always install to a certain hardcoded location based on the .deb file or can you thru dpkg or apt-get commands change the installation directory
[16:39] <Guest64566> so in the cases where some one was running out of room on his memory or other places where the standard folders resided... i guess he could remount the folder or do some chroot thing to get the equivalent.
[16:40] <tgm4883> Guest64566: what is your end goal here?
[16:40] <gorgonzola> hello peoples. I have a laptop with an NVIDIA Optimus hybrid card, and I used to have it configured to work with bumblebee, with no issues. After updating to vivid and installing nvidia-current-updates, I noticed X is using the discrete NVIDIA card as default. How can I make sure that the discrete card is not used by X by default? I still want to have it available to use with bumblebee, so disabling it in BIOS or removing nvidia
[16:40] <gorgonzola> drivers is not an option. Thanks!
[16:40] <Dany0> akik: just to be sure, since I'm not a dns server, I don't need DNS64 right?
[16:40] <Guest64566> figuring out how to switch the installation directory for a package installed
[16:41] <Guest64566> or beable to install to any directory i want
[16:41] <akik> Dany0: you configured your vps to use the dns64 servers
[16:41] <tgm4883> Guest64566: so there isn't an "Installation directory" generally. There are a few
[16:41] <akik> Dany0: configure
[16:41] <Guest64566> because i would imagine all one would have to do is update there PATH variable accordingly to the new install dirs
[16:42] <Guest64566> yes i know that but there usually the default /sbin , usr/bin , /bin ,...etc buitin directories
[16:42] <Guest64566> i was wondering if you could change the location  of where the .deb is to be installed
[16:42] <tgm4883> Guest64566: It would be application dependant I believe, you may have to recompile
[16:42] <k1l_> Guest64566: http://askubuntu.com/a/236149/31260   tl;dr some workarounds possible but not guarantee to work
[16:43] <tgm4883> Guest64566: it's FAR easier to just mount additional storage
[16:44] <gorgonzola> Guest64566 In general, I would say that that goes against the way in which unix systems are suposed to work, so it sounds like a bad idea. What are you trying to accomplish? I'm sure there is an easier way to do what you want than messing with the way debian packages are installed.
[16:44] <Guest64566> O ya so you would need to rebuild the source or deb package itself to uses a different location didn't know if there was some switch in apt-get or dpkg command to do that automatically
[16:44] <gorgonzola> Guest64566 one option, is to manually open the deb file for the desired package, and copy its contents to one of the system folders for which you (the user) has total control, like /usr/local or even better, /opt
[16:44] <k1l_> Guest64566: you try to solve problem B instead of solving problem A. so focus on the reason why you want to install in a different place
[16:45] <tgm4883> k1l_: +1
[16:45] <TJ-> Guest64566: No, source rebuild isn't required. The paths stored in the DATA section of a .deb are relative. The host installer prefixes that with the system path
[16:45] <Guest64566> I have a distro running in memory that doesn't have enough space for /bin /usr/bin growth every much so limiting me to install only a few things without having to remove then reinstall all the time i was wondering if i could uses a temporary storage devices
[16:46] <dersand> Alright, i'm back
[16:46] <akik> is the correct way to configure certain dns servers to use dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[16:46] <TJ-> dersand: FYI bug 277903
[16:46] <dersand> tj- pardon?
[16:47] <TJ-> dersand: That *may* be the workaround for the BIOS bug  that is causing the install to fail
[16:48] <dersand> tj- is there a download or something i'm missing on that link?
[16:48] <BluesKaj> akik:  usually yes, but some OSs have resolv.conf/resolv.conf.d file that overwrites dns setings
[16:48] <Guest64566> so i can download to any folder the source /binary .deb packages but when i install them they install to the location that i have limited memory/storage growth for. So was curious if i can install them to another partition or place where i do have storage for/growth for packages
[16:48] <dersand> tj- also, i'm not sure if it were you who asked. But i have dual os setup, i have a ubuntu version installed if that could help.
[16:49] <gorgonzola> Guest64566 The way you wuld normally d what you want, is to mount extra storage under /usr
[16:49] <TJ-> dersand: No. Before you went AWOL I asked if you had access to a Linux PC so you could build and test the workaround easily
[16:49] <Guest64566> that would require switching the install dir not switching the download places
[16:49] <yar|> Hi
[16:49] <gorgonzola> Guest64566 wait, let me catch up woith your messages, i think i missed something
[16:50] <TJ-> dersand: if you could boot into an Ubuntu install you can easily apply the workaround patch to the ISO image - if the Ubuntu install also has access to the .iso you downloaded
[16:50] <ProfMac> ;;ident
[16:50] <dersand> tj- will the whole thing be easier if i just switch to ubuntu?
[16:50] <Guest64566> so remount /usr to another secondary storage device if i do that i would have to make a copy of what was in the orginal usr directory onto the newly mounted one right? Is that all that is required for me to be all set
[16:51] <mcphail> Guest64566: you can run "apt-get download packagename" to get a .deb, then run "dpkg-deb --extract . filename.deb" to unpack it. You can then put the binary files wherever you want. Doesn't guarantee success, though
[16:51] <yar|> How are the ftp ports chosen, in PASV mode?
[16:51] <pero> im having weird sound issues on 14.04 after some updates - i get staticy sound in vlc until i maximize/minimize the window, flash playback is very choppy, and sound in csgo only works after 5 minutes. anyone have any ideas?
[16:51] <yar|> (using ftp)
[16:51] <akik> BluesKaj: name resolution is so important that there should be clear instructions
[16:51] <TJ-> Guest64566: underneath all package managers is a call to 'dpkg -i'  to install a binary package. 'dpkg' has the option "--instdir=dir" to change the base directory and it defaults to "/"
[16:52] <gorgonzola> Guest64566 running out of space in /usr in an already installed system is a complicated issue.
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> pero: what is the output of:    wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[16:52] <ActionParsnip> gorgonzola: just remove apps you don't need. Should do it
[16:52] <LoRez> Does anybody know where the kernel repo is that has all of the security updates in it?  I need to bisect the diff between 3.13.0-63 and -65
[16:52] <TJ-> dersand: very much so! As long as you have the .iso (or the USB flash device) available there. We only have to patch the first 440 bytes of it to test this workaround :)
[16:53] <pero> ActionParsnip, http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=ebebb2495be35684b44c28434f25592ce5307383
[16:53] <gorgonzola> ActionParsnip that is assuming there are apps that he doesn't need. Buying a larger harddrive is also a solution.
[16:53] <k1l_> LoRez: you mean mainline?
[16:53] <k1l_> !mainline | LoRez
[16:53] <dersand> tj- well i don't have it there. But i guess i could just add it on the usb and drag it onto ubuntu there?
[16:54] <Guest64566> Ok i will look more indepth with your command switches... curious on if i did remount /usr to another location say could i remount the old /usr as part of the new mount /usr directory... or would i have to copy first all the stuff over... just curious if the mount command had a switch to allow mounting on a new dir with the part of the old dir
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> pero: try the large command here in step 1: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[16:54] <Guest64566> I hope you get what i am saying
[16:54] <LoRez> k1l_: I don't really.  I mean the trusty LTS kernels
[16:54] <tgm4883> Guest64566: honestly, I'd just add more storage and mount it where you need it. For moving files, you should be able to just copy them to the new drive and then ensure fstab mounts it in the right location
[16:54] <dersand> tj- anyway, i'm copying it and when it's done, i'm switching to ubuntu. See you in a few minutes.
[16:55] <tgm4883> Guest64566: I'm not sure how well overlay directories are supported
[16:55] <Guest64566> Ok thats what i was think thanks tgm4883
[16:56] <Guest64566> just remount and copy over then update the fstab for when rebooting to always uses that change place with the copied over old files to begin with
[16:56] <TJ-> dersand: OK, I have the patched boot sector on my web-site waiting for you
[16:57] <Guest64566> was just asking because there may have been a feature like " say overlay directory mounts" to no have to copy over things... this could be a performance benifit for servers to
[16:57] <k1l_> LoRez: i dont get what you want, maybe this helps: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/amd64/linux-image-generic
[16:58] <Dany0> akik: oh I forgot about that, I'm installing tyanga right now as I'm following this tut: http://ipvsix.me/?p=106
[16:58] <TJ-> Guest64566: if you're using the Live (non-installed) environment the system is already using a layered Copy-On-Write (cow) file-system overlay that allows installing new packages in/on the squashfs root file-system image that is in the ISo image
[16:58] <akik> Dany0: oh so that is easier than changing your name resolution settings? :)
[16:58] <Dany0> lemme try that thou
[16:59] <tgm4883> Guest64566: that feature exists, I'm not sure how it would be a performance benefit though
[16:59] <LoRez> k1l_: a change was made between 3.13.0-63 and 3.13.0-65 that apparently kills all of our serial drivers.  I'd like to find the patch added between that causes that and file it as a bug.
[16:59] <pero> ActionParsnip, nothing new
[16:59] <TJ-> LoRez: what device ID is it?
[16:59] <LoRez> TJ-: keyspans and another externally built serial driver that's not USB.
[17:00] <ActionParsnip> pero: do you get OK sound in headphones?
[17:00] <pero> ActionParsnip, it's not related to that - but no i don't
[17:01] <akik> Dany0: that won't work for you since you don't have ipv4 address
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> pero: are you using Unity shell?
[17:01] <Dany0> oh, damn
[17:01] <pero> ActionParsnip, yep
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> pero: have you tried a non-compoziting session, like LXDE?
[17:02] <pero> ActionParsnip, no, i want to use unity
[17:02] <TJ-> LoRez: I'm generating the commit list for you; I'll pastebin it
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> pero: yes you can but it's fopr testing purposes
[17:02] <ActionParsnip> pero: its part of narrowing down the issue
[17:03] <Dany0> akik: can I use # to comment in /etc/network/interfaces?
[17:03] <LoRez> TJ-: where's the repo?
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> pero: if its fine in LXDE then we know that either Gnome, Compiz or Unity are causing the issue, don't we?
[17:03] <Dany0> google didn't answer
[17:03] <akik> Dany0: yes
[17:03] <Dany0> yay
[17:03] <pero> ActionParsnip, or installing another de borks my system completely
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> pero: how will that happen?
[17:03] <pero> i dont know but it has happened in the past
[17:04] <Pici> Dany0: only if they're on a line alone, inline comments are not supported (see man 5 interfaces)
[17:04] <pero> there must be a saner way to triage the issue
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> pero: you can install every DE in the repos if you like, you simply choose the active one at login
[17:04] <Dany0> tanks
[17:04] <Dany0> Pici: thanks
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> pero: how is it not sane?
[17:04] <pero> i am not installing another de to triage a sound issue
[17:04] <Pici> LoRez: #ubuntu-kernel might be able to point you in the right direction if you don't get an answer here
[17:04] <Dany0> most of the time man pages are useless, I'm usually just going to google straight away, and I can find the man pages there mirrored as well
[17:04] <LoRez> Pici: thanks!
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> pero: its for testing, LXDE is very small too, so the download and install will be minimal
[17:05] <pero> ActionParsnip, not going to do it
[17:05] <pero> i use lts for a reason - so i dont have to reinstall my system every year
[17:06] <akik> Pici: what does this mean? "Note that end-of-line comments are NOT supported, comments must be on a line of their own.
[17:06] <TJ-> LoRez: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12625643/
[17:06] <pero> if you have any other suggestions that would be great but if not then thanks for your time
[17:06] <ActionParsnip> pero: your call
[17:06] <Pici> akik: You can't put a interface directive on the same line with a comment.
[17:07] <TJ-> LoRez: the repository is git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-trusty.git
[17:07] <akik> Pici: oh ok now i understand, so the comment can not start after some definition
[17:07] <Pici> akik: right
[17:08] <LoRez> TJ-: that's many patches.  bisect time!
[17:09] <TJ-> LoRez: not necessarily; identify the likely driver sub-path where changes would cause the kind of failure you're seeing
[17:09] <TJ-> LoRez: what actual failure do you get?
[17:09] <TJ-> LoRez: you could narrow it down by testing the .64 kernel too :)
[17:09] <LoRez> TJ-: appears as though 0 data leaves the port.  can open them, but not write to them.  Or so it seems.  I'm going to stick a loopback plug on something and beat on it a while.
[17:11] <TJ-> LoRez: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12625673/
[17:11] <Dany0> god I'm stupid
[17:12] <LoRez> TJ-: that's useful.  Thanks
[17:12] <chennuo> salut
[17:12] <LoRez> it's not just USB serial devices though.
[17:12] <chennuo> pas de francais ici??
[17:13] <TJ-> LoRez: I wonder of the subsystems share code? You'd think so.
[17:13] <dersand> tj- well this is awkward
[17:13] <dersand> i forgot my root password
[17:14] <k1l_> dersand: there is no root password
[17:14] <LoRez> TJ-: probably.  I'll dig.
[17:14] <ActionParsnip> dersand: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/resetpassword
[17:14] <TJ-> LoRez: See http://paste.ubuntu.com/12625681/
[17:15] <dersand> actionparsnip i tried that and it froze at initiating ramdisk something
[17:15] <Dany0> hey akik guess what, I've got news for you: IT WORKED! \:D/ I used this gateway: http://aa.net.uk/kb-broadband-ipv6-nat64.html
[17:15] <TJ-> dersand: Are you using the Ubuntu install now?
[17:15] <ac3takwas> which is good IRC client, other tthan XChat?
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> dersand: is your RAM ok?
[17:15] <dersand> tj- no sorry, i'm on w10 still
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> ac3takwas: irssi if you like Xchat
[17:15] <TJ-> dersand: Ahhh. Drat :)
[17:15] <ac3takwas> Sometimes, I want some auto-reconnection when I change network or somethin
[17:16] <dersand> actionparsnip erm, 4gb but i have no idea if it's "ok"
[17:16] <ac3takwas> sometimes sxchat reconnects to the wrong url
[17:16] <TJ-> LoRez: BTW, my 'gitlog' is: "alias gitlog='git log --pretty=format:'\''%h %cd %an %s'\'''  "
[17:16] <ActionParsnip> dersand: there is Memtest86 in Grub, you can test it there
[17:16] <ac3takwas> I also want it to restart automatically upon network detection
[17:16] <dersand> Actionparsnip, alright and what do i do if that test fails?
[17:16] <dersand> or passes, for that matter
[17:17] <ActionParsnip> dersand: you will need to start pulling sticks of ram out (with the system powered off) then power back on to test the RAM to isolate the bad stick
[17:17] <TJ-> dersand: Which ISO file did you originally download? I can pull the same one, apply the patch, and you can just download the file directly from me if you want to
[17:17] <ActionParsnip> dersand: if your system is under some kind of warranty then you will need to get them to do it
[17:17] <TJ-> dersand: the important thing here is not to get diverted, and test the other PC installer issue
[17:17] <dersand> Actionparsnip right now i'm on a laptop, so it's tricky
[17:18] <ActionParsnip> dersand: thats even easier, they have doors on the back to put more RAM in / take it out
[17:18] <BluesKaj> chennuo:  pas ici, allez en #ubuntu-fr
[17:19] <dersand> tj- i downloaded 14.04.3 from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop orange button 64 bit
[17:20] <TJ-> dersand: OK, give me a moment I'll patch it
[17:21] <us3r123> hello
[17:21] <spinoza> hi
[17:21] <spinoza> everyone
[17:22] <us3r123> I was searching ubuntu vs debian and it says ubuntu is privately coded by canonical
[17:22] <us3r123> ubuntu isn't free software according this
[17:22] <us3r123> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy
[17:22] <ActionParsnip> us3r123: ubuntu is based on debian the code is tweaked a little by Canonical but the changes are fed back upstream to Debian
[17:23] <ActionParsnip> us3r123: Ubuntu is free, there are some binary blobs to make it friendlier
[17:23] <ZiNk> us3r123: did you even read the part: "Free software: Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be. "
[17:23] <ZiNk> It's written on the very page you've quoted.
[17:24] <ZiNk> So calling ubuntu non-free is like saying that debian with debian non-free repos would also be not free software
[17:24] <TJ-> dersand: Here's the patched ISO for you to download and write to the USB stick again: https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso
[17:25] <dersand> tj- downloading, how can i trust that you haven't put anything harmful in it?
[17:25] <TJ-> dersand: Now, when you try to boot the problem PC with the image, you *must* keep the (left) Ctrl key held down immediately after power-on until the system shows signs of Ubuntu/Linux  starting.
[17:25] <spinoza> there is a software piece called unetbootin
[17:25] <TJ-> dersand: you can't; that's why originally I wanted you to patch it yourself.
[17:26] <spinoza> u plug in your usb drive, select an operating system and it downloads it and puts onto your usb
[17:26] <us3r123> ok thanks my mistake
[17:26] <dersand> so, post boot. Hold ctrl? tj-
[17:26] <TJ-> dersand: if you had the tools you could see, though, that I've only altered the first 434 bytes, which are the isolinux BIOS bootstrap loader code
[17:26] <lubarch> why ubuntu is free?
[17:26] <TJ-> dersand: Yes, from power-on... as soon as the screen shows signs of life
[17:28] <TJ-> dersand: If this works, it proves the PC BIOS is faulty. There's a common bug whereby when the system boots off a USB device pretending to be a hard disk, the BIOS tells the bootstrap code it is loaded from the first hard disk, but when the bootstrap code then asks the BIOS to read the rest of the bootloader code from disk the BIOS changes the device number and so it reads from the wrong device, and fails,
[17:28] <TJ-> locking the PC up
[17:29] <TJ-> dersand: By holding down the Ctrl key you are instructing this modified 434 bytes of bootstrap code to ignore the BIOS drive number and force itself to use the 'first' device
[17:29] <dersand> tj- alright
[17:29] <dersand> installing right now...
[17:30] <TJ-> dersand: good luck! I hope this is your issue, makes it simple to fix ;)
[17:30] <nabn> lubarch: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1554868
[17:30] <dersand> so hold ctrl, f12 for boot options, get my usb one and it should be there?
[17:31] <dersand> all that while ctrl is held?
[17:32] <TJ-> dersand: Don't hold down Ctrl until you've got the F12 manual boot menu. The Ctrl key is going to be looked for by the bootstrap code, so you've got a very short window of time after pressing Enter on the boot menu device option, and that code starting!
[17:32] <dersand> tj- so i thought then
[17:33] <TJ-> dersand: if the BIOS can cope with you holding Ctrl down whilst also using the boot menu, then that's easier. I've had to do some very nimble key-hitting to get this to work sometimes :D
[17:33] <TJ-> dersand: it might need a few practice attempts
[17:33] <dersand> i'm on the boot menu right no
[17:33] <dersand> now*
[17:34] <TJ-> dersand: I have a PC beside me now that needs that fix to boot the ISO
[17:34] <dersand> is it between f12 is pressed and the boot menu is being shown that i need to press? or after i press to boot the usb?
[17:35] <TJ-> dersand: The moment you select the boot device by pressing Enter
[17:35] <dersand> roger
[17:36] <dersand> it's on the loading operating system ... screen
[17:36] <dersand> take two then.
[17:36] <dersand> or i'll wait a few minutes
[17:37] <TJ-> dersand: No point waiting; that message means it failed
[17:37] <TJ-> dersand: if it had started the screen would change to the boot loader screen immediately
[17:38] <Dany0> TJ-: I pm'd you :3
[17:38] <TJ-> Dany0: I have PMs disabled
[17:38] <Dany0> welp
[17:39] <Dany0> so, since you're a self-described kernel hacker, I've gotta ask: imagine you're writing an 80s/90s hacker movie, our hero wants to take down the evil corrupt government official and he successful hacked into his account and then suddenly realises "oh no! I can't access this secure encrypted data because it is cryptographically encoded by an unbreakable kernel!", and then you show up on the scene to save our hero, what do you say?
[17:39] <dersand> tj- no, nothing. Tried it 3 times
[17:39] <TJ-> dersand: OK, let me make triple-sure I used the Ctrl key patch!
[17:41] <TJ-> dersand: Yes, I did. That seems to suggest whatever the BIOS is doing, its more broken than that simple workaround can cope with. My next suggest is to enter the BIOS setup and put the USB device first in the boot list, *and* (if possible) remove any other entries - especially the Hard Disk entry, then save settings and reboot
[17:42] <TJ-> dersand: All this is assuming the method you used on Windows to write the ISO file to the USB device put it in the correct place!
[17:42] <dersand> tj- can i even verify that the usb is bootable?
[17:42] <C_minus> hello guys. what does this sound like to you: ubuntu 14.04 has problems connecting to home WIFI (often doesn't connect at all, or takes several attempts), but no problems connecting at work, school, public, phone tethers etc. Also, all other computers, including same laptop's Win7 partition connect to home WIFI without problems.
[17:42] <dersand> because it has the label "Install ubuntu (D:)"
[17:42] <TJ-> dersand: Try it on the PC you're typing on? You could test it in a Virtual Machine on Windows, if you have that installed
[17:43] <Dany0> I guess TJ- doesn't wanna answer :/
[17:43] <TJ-> C_minus: that sounds familiar; we had a couple of users in the past 2 months with a similar issue. Which device is it? "lspci -nn" will tell
[17:44] <TJ-> Dany0: I have PMs disabled
[17:44] <Dany0> that thing I posted, that was for you
[17:44] <TJ-> Dany0: what 'thing'?
[17:44] <dersand> tj- i mean that i had the ubuntu installer for installing ubuntu on this computer a couple of months back. What i'm getting at is that it could not have formatted the drive even once and just running the install ubuntu rather than bootable ubuntu
[17:44] <Dany0> "so, since you're a self-described hacker..." thing
[17:45] <TJ-> Dany0: I don't see PMs, the IRC server blocks them. I only do support in the channels.
[17:45] <Dany0> I posted it here in #ubuntu, I don't want to repost it because I don't want to upset the spambot
[17:46] <TJ-> dersand: I'm not familiar with the Windows tools - not used Windows since around 2005
[17:46] <C_minus> TJ one might have been me. Intel 7260
[17:46] <TJ-> Dany0: let me search back. I'm not always looking in the channel so may have missed it
[17:46] <Dany0> jeez so much effort for a joke makes it no longer funny :s sry
[17:47] <TJ-> Dany0: found it... and I'd say "That is Cracking, not Hacking" :)
[17:48] <Dany0> haha, thanks, I'll be off to my hibernation chamber, and good luck with dersand
[17:48] <TJ-> C_minus: Yes, that does ring a bell. I recall doing some changes regarding using G/N modes
[17:48] <extremez3r0> Hello Folks. Today after an apt-get update I tried install Steam. Then I run "apt-get install steam". And my Ubuntu just rebooted. Now if I try install something I get a "sudo dpkg --configure -a". When i run it , my notebook reboot again.  Where can I search for logs?
[17:49] <C_minus> yeah thats right.
[17:49] <TJ-> C_minus: I also recall there were other APs in the 2.4GHz band on the same channel, or close by, with very strong signals.
[17:49] <C_minus> when I change modes on the router it doesnt make much dufference if any
[17:49] <C_minus> well remembered
[17:50] <TJ-> C_minus: I think the general consensus was there's some kind of bug in the Intel firmware for that device - we know there used to be some very serious bugs that made N mode impossible, so its likely there are still more
[17:50] <C_minus> but isn't it most likely N mode everywhere else I take my laptop - after all university has a superfast 100mbps line or whatever
[17:50] <TJ-> C_minus: so we thought the interaction between the firmware and the Linux device-driver somehow makes the problem show up when it doesn't show under Windows
[17:51] <dersand> tj- anything that could help? https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/tDt3p9upxrYE4e3HwyVwTA2D3ULCkpdQ/20150930_195020.jpg
[17:52] <TJ-> dersand: Are you able to remove/disable items 3 and 4 ?
[17:52] <dersand> tj- let's try
[17:52] <TJ-> dersand: What make/model is that PC? I want to add it to my 'problem BIOS' list
[17:52] <dersand> tj- it's a custom built pc
[17:53] <TJ-> C_minus: do you find using Linux in other places also works fine - in other words you're only caused problems at home?
[17:53] <C_minus> TJ yes exactly
[17:53] <TJ-> dersand: motherboard make/model then - that is what determines the BIOS maker/version
[17:54] <yya09> hey
[17:54] <TJ-> C_minus: You know I'm tempted to say someone near you is deliberately knocking your signal out, or there's some non-WiFi 2.4GHz device operating close-by that is interfering
[17:54] <dersand> tj- Gigabyte Z68AP-D3
[17:54] <C_minus> Holy jeebus now I'm gonna be paranoid.
[17:54] <TJ-> dersand: thanks
[17:55] <TJ-> C_minus: well, logically it makes sense. consider your evidence and all the testing we did last time
[17:55] <TJ-> C_minus: things like wireless video cameras, baby monitors, etc, can all also use 2.4GHz and they don't use WiFi so don't cooperate or show up on WiFi scans
[17:55] <C_minus> What does an android tether use? Because that works fine. Also how could someone else knock only my laptop's signal (on ubuntu) but nobody else's in my house?
[17:57] <TJ-> C_minus: I have no idea, and the fact other devices aren't affected argues against it, but as I think I said last time, I'm highly suspicious of the location where you commonly operate the laptop when at home. Have you tried walking around into the far corners of the apartment and seeing if it performs any differently?
[17:58] <TJ-> C_minus: A wifi device targeting the PC's ID could potentially affect it and not others, but I cannot imagine anyone going to all that trouble just for you :)
[17:58] <dersand> tj- i'll try booting from the usb on this comp. brb.
[18:00] <C_minus> TJ is a PC Id unique to my Ubuntu/Win7 partition or my device?
[18:01] <TJ-> C_minus: the ID of the wifi device is burned into the Wifi chipset
[18:01] <TJ-> C_minus: this is why I think an active attack is far out :)
[18:01] <C_minus> TJ my MAC address right?
[18:01] <TJ-> C_minus: Yes
[18:02] <jayjo> I have a ubuntu 14.04 server that is running very slow with mysql queries. Are there some very quick speed checks to see if something blatant is going on before I just try to upgrade my cores?
[18:02] <TJ-> C_minus: I don't suppose you know someone else with a laptop with the same chipset in? Have them visit and test it with an Ubuntu Live boot?
[18:02] <TJ-> jayjo: you might get a better response in #ubuntu-server
[18:02] <C_minus> unfortunately not it's quite a niche laptop!
[18:03] <C_minus> everybody has macbooks anyway
[18:03] <TJ-> C_minus: always the problem! I'd be tempted to rip out the 7260 pcie card and replace it with an Ateros!
[18:03] <TJ-> s/Ateros/Atheros/
[18:03] <extremez3r0> Hello Guys. I need a little help. Someone know where I can found why my Ubuntu hard reboot when I try install steam? Now it broke dpkg configure -a. Every time I run it my notebook reboot immediatlly.
[18:04] <jayjo> TJ-: thank!
[18:05] <nicomachus> extremez3r0: did you try uninstalling steam and then reinstalling it?
[18:05] <TJ-> extremez3r0: sounds like some core executable has been corrupted
[18:09] <extremez3r0> TJ- :I can't even run apt-get install"
[18:09] <extremez3r0> TJ-: every time I run dpkg configure -a, my screen go black and I see my ubuntu booting...
[18:09] <cerberus10> that is weird
[18:09] <extremez3r0> yah
[18:10] <dersand> tj- i got news.
[18:10] <extremez3r0> Very. I've try read from dmesg, but nothing very useful.
[18:10] <dersand> It didn't even boot on my other pc. Obviously the installation is faulty.
[18:10] <TJ-> dersand: really!? damn!
[18:10] <nicomachus> ....language.
[18:11] <dersand> tj- yeah, i booted it up, twice. Just black screen, no purple ubuntu iconic-ness
[18:11] <TJ-> dersand: This always annoys that Windows seems to make it difficult to correctly write an ISO image to a device. After all, all we want is to write the literal ISO data from sector 0 of the target device onwards.
[18:12] <TJ-> dersand: This was why I had hoped you could use Linux to write to the USB. Shame that isn't starting
[18:12] <nicomachus> Rufus?
[18:13] <TJ-> dersand: whilst you were doing that I did some research on the "Loading Operating System" issue. Turns out it is a very common problem with many Gigabyte motherboards, and lots of users affected. No clear worarounds but some interesting snippets around.
[18:14] <TJ-> dersand: the most interesting is, apparently the motherboard has USB2 and USB3 ports? Which type of port are you putting the USB stick in?
[18:14] <dersand> tj- front ones
[18:14] <reisio> what's the problem?
[18:14] <dersand> tj- am i retarded for doing that?
[18:14] <reisio> oh hub?
[18:14] <TJ-> dersand: are they USB3 or USB2?
[18:15] <TJ-> dersand: I'd suggest (since it is easy) trying to use other ports on the Mobo... especially try a rear port!
[18:15] <dersand> but it's not even booting on my laptop, why would that work?
[18:15] <TJ-> dersand: True... I'm referring to there being a possible 2 issues here ;)
[18:16] <TJ-> dersand: do you have a virtual machine hypervisor on the Windows 10 you could test the ISO with?
[18:16] <TJ-> dersand: you could install VirtualBox and test: 1) booting the ISO file 2) booting the USB device via USB pass-through
[18:17] <dersand> tj- yeah i downloaded oracle's virtualbox
[18:17] <TJ-> dersand: if the VM guest can boot the ISO *file* but not the USB, that tells you the USB likely is the problem
[18:17] <dersand> tj- but the funny thing is that i've installed ubuntu on THIS machine with this usb
[18:18] <BrokenCog> VB still needs USB tools to work with USB doesn't it?  perhaps ensure VBox is USB enabled for the guest before startinf the VM.
[18:18] <TJ-> dersand: but not with the current literal data is my point. If the ISO file data has not gone onto the USb correctly... it'd fail
[18:18] <dersand> tj- i just opened cmd on windows and typed format d:. I guess this is a starting point
[18:19] <TJ-> BrokenCog: dersand. I'm not sure, I don't use it. Any VM hypervisor that can support USB will do for testing
[18:19] <john__> hello, if i remove something from software, does it do remove or purge?
[18:19] <BrokenCog> TJ-: yes, but VBox didn't/doesn't put USB support in the standard binar.
[18:20] <TJ-> BrokenCog: really?
[18:20] <TJ-> BrokenCog: that's not useful!
[18:20] <EriC^^> john__: i think it removes and doesn't purge
[18:20] <BrokenCog> TJ-: I don't know if it still is, but it was a copyright issue I think with the free VBox version.
[18:20] <auronandace> BrokenCog: it supports usb, but you need an extention for usb2 support
[18:20] <BrokenCog> auronandace: is that what it was?  okay.
[18:21] <nicomachus> TJ-: BrokenCog: you can definitely capture USB from VBox. Doing it right now.
[18:21] <BrokenCog> so, I'm guessing dersand has USB2/3 ...
[18:21] <john__> EriC^^, thank so that means the config files remain?
[18:21] <BrokenCog> okay ... I'm out of date.
[18:21] <EriC^^> john__: yeah
[18:21] <EriC^^> i think it removes, not sure
[18:21] <nicomachus> BrokenCog: they kind of had to because of USB keyboards/mice gaining so much prevalence.
[18:22] <BrokenCog> my question: I just updated 14.04 about ten minutes ago, rebooted, now can't log in.  Checked perms of .Xauthority (700) and owner (userid.userid) ... any other segguestions?
[18:22] <EriC^^> john__: dpkg -l | grep <package> should show if the configs are still there, it'll start with rc
[18:22] <BrokenCog> nicomachus: indeed.  USB ... who would have thought :).  I haven't used VBox in a long long time so Im' not sure what current state it's in.
[18:22] <dersand> 30% of format, i'm on standby until it finishes
[18:23] <TJ-> BrokenCog: dersand has 2 PCs. The one he's on is using Win10 (it has dual-boot with Ubuntu but the Ubuntu install wouldn't get past the initrd). He's using Win10 to write the 14.04.3 desktop amd64 image to a USB, and using that to install to another PC. That other PC BIOS/UEFI fails with "Loading Operating System". We've tried a 'force BIOS device 0x80' workaround ISO image, but that didn't solve it.
[18:23] <john__> EriC^^, that's right, thank you very much for your help
[18:23] <EriC^^> john__: np
[18:23] <LoRez> TJ-: this may be worse than I imagined.  I switched from the utopic lts kernel to the trusty lts kernel and lost the USB keyboard too.
[18:23] <nicomachus> dersand: what program on windows are you using to create the drive?
[18:23] <TJ-> dersand: there is no need to format a USB device before writing an ISO image to the USB
[18:24] <dersand> nicomachus the software from pendrive.com uui something
[18:24] <TJ-> dersand: The ISO image should be written directly to the USB... someone else can recommend the best tool for doing that, I have no idea.
[18:25] <nicomachus> dersand: I would recommend Rufus. https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[18:25] <TJ-> LoRez: That doesn't sound normal
[18:25] <dersand> tj- alright, but it's still in the formatting process, so i wouldn't want to upset the cmd
[18:25] <TJ-> dersand: OK... thought it won't
[18:25] <LoRez> TJ-: I'd agree.
[18:25] <TJ-> dersand: OK... though it won't hurt to interrupt it
[18:25] <BrokenCog> Question: just updated 14.04 ten minutes ago, rebooted, now can't log in.  Checked perms of .Xauthority (700) and owner (userid.userid) ... any other segguestions?
[18:25] <nicomachus> !patience | BrokenCog
[18:25] <TJ-> LoRez: but the system always works ok with the 3.13 -63 ?
[18:26] <dersand> tj- 50% now, it wouldn't hurt to let it finish?
[18:26] <TJ-> BrokenCog: try a guest log-in... if that works, it's a per-user issue at least
[18:26] <TJ-> dersand: no... it's only writing zeros
[18:26] <BrokenCog> TJ-: booted from ISO, via chroot created new user, same symptom on reboot.
[18:27] <TJ-> BrokenCog: OK, can it boot to the Recovery root shell?
[18:27] <BrokenCog> TJ-: what's the menu key?  tried F2 ... just boots straight in.
[18:28] <TJ-> BrokenCog: hold shift down
[18:28] <TJ-> BrokenCog: F2 is usually for the PC's firmware/BIOS Setup
[18:28] <BrokenCog> TJ-: in a vm ... shift during power on?
[18:29] <TJ-> BrokenCog: shift is the GRUB boot-loader menu key. Hold it down once the PC firmware is doing its POST (power on self test) and the moment GRUB starts it'll see the key
[18:29] <TJ-> BrokenCog: Then on the GRUB menu, choose Advanced sub-menu and select one of the Recovery kernels
[18:30] <LoRez> TJ-: I shot myself in the foot and didn't install the -63 kernel with the -65, so I'm rescuing out of that first.
[18:30] <BrokenCog> I can't get the menu ... using Parallels  ...
[18:31] <TJ-> BrokenCog: the shift key is specific to GRUB, so the hypervisor shouldn't matter provided the guest has the input focus. You may need to ensure the window showing the Guest interface has focus in order for the shift key to be directed there
[18:32] <BrokenCog> TJ-: it has the focus
[18:32] <TJ-> BrokenCog: Try the Escape key :)
[18:32] <nicomachus> F12?
[18:33] <TJ-> nicomachus: for GRUB?
[18:33] <TJ-> GRUB2 uses shift by default as the menu key
[18:34] <nicomachus> Yea idk. It does seem to be shift in Vbox: https://askubuntu.com/questions/314754/how-to-get-the-grub-using-virtualbox
[18:34] <dersand> tj- format done. Should i try out rufus?
[18:34] <TJ-> nicomachus: F12 is a popular firmware/BIOS manual boot menu hot-key
[18:34] <dersand> https://rufus.akeo.ie/
[18:34] <TJ-> dersand: I'd best find out what it is!
[18:34] <TJ-> dersand: maybe there is someone else here familiar with using it?
[18:35] <BrokenCog> F12 toggles the text boot info
[18:35] <dersand> nicho_machus had, i don't want to type his name full out because someone once told me you shouldn't highlight people who haven't talked for a while
[18:35] <BrokenCog> It's too damn fast :)>  can't get a keypress in before POST is done ... does'nt SHOW post.
[18:36] <nicomachus> TJ-: I've never had trouble with Rufus in windows.
[18:36] <dersand> nicomachus did you get highlighted by that?
[18:36] <TJ-> nicomachus: OK... dersand :) ... as long as you use it to write to the RAW device with no partition scheme/file-system
[18:37] <nicomachus> no but I saw it dersand. TJ-: it's the closest thing to Ubuntu's startup disk creator that Windows has to offer.
[18:37] <TJ-> dersand: if the tool tries to do any kind of 'formatting' it is doing it wrong
[18:37] <TJ-> nicomachus: OK :)
[18:37] <TJ-> nicomachus: I've never even used startup disk creator. 'dd' is my tool
[18:38] <dersand> could you tell me what settings? or is default okay? http://i.imgur.com/h5fhP7E.png
[18:38] <EriC^^> unetbootin is prone to failing, use dd instead
[18:38] <TJ-> dersand: I'll let nicomachus tell you. All I can say is, what you show in the screenshot is definitely wrong
[18:39] <MicroAlien> Okay so my track doesnt work when I downloaded Ubuntu.  How could I get it to work?
[18:40] <TJ-> I'm suspicous when Rufus claims to be faster than other tools, since writing an ISO image is simply copyiny data sectors sequentially to the device. That suggests it tries to do something 'clever' with the data layout
[18:41] <MicroAlien> how can I get my trackpad to work on my computer with ubuntu
[18:42] <dersand> http://i.imgur.com/kjuYrz5.png should be more like it?
[18:42] <auronandace> MicroAlien: it is probably specific to the model laptop you are using
[18:43] <MicroAlien> I am using an Alienware 13"
[18:44] <nicomachus> dersand: there are some detailed instructions on that site...
[18:44] <TJ-> dersand: that looks terribly wrong. There should *not* be any MBR partition scheme, no FAT32, no 'create extended labels' - I don't trust that tool
[18:45] <dersand> tj- i read somewhere fat32 is the only way to make a drive bootable
[18:45] <EriC^^> it's called rufus in the end, not very trustworthy :P
[18:45] <TJ-> dersand: all you want it do is write the literal data of the ISO file you have directly to the device with no embelishments. Not sure how you tell it to do that, though.
[18:45] <TJ-> dersand: Ignore what you read!
[18:45] <BrokenCog> so, if I use the LiveCD, chroot to the intsalled partition, how can I update-grub? which wants /dev mounted?
[18:46] <BrokenCog> I used mount --bind /dev /dev
[18:46] <TJ-> BrokenCog: before you "chroot ..." mount the kernel file-systems
[18:46] <BrokenCog> ah.
[18:46] <EriC^^> BrokenCog: for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mountpoint$i; done
[18:47] <auronandace> MicroAlien: others seem to have the problem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/647505/alienware-13-touchpad-not-working-under-any-distro-dll068b00-06cb76e9-hid-r
[18:47] <TJ-> BrokenCog: "sudo mount /dev/XXXX /target; for fs in proc sys dev dev/pts; so sudo mount --bind /$fs /target/$fs; done; sudo chroot /target"
[18:48] <TJ-> EriC^^: not a good idea to bind/mount /run/ else the chroot will interefere with the host service control
[18:48] <EriC^^> TJ-: ah, it's on the ubuntu wiki for chrooting
[18:48] <BrokenCog> okay ... just being out of the chroot was sufficient.  update-grub after commenting out GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT/_MENU allowed the menu to show up.
[18:48] <EriC^^> :|
[18:48] <dersand> by the way tj- i have a faint memory that i used a burner program to burn my iso to a drive...
[18:49] <BrokenCog> TJ-: probably would have mesed up the host, but the chroot was a LiveCD.
[18:49] <TJ-> EriC^^: I know there are a lot of poor guides around. The problem it causes is you are fixing packages and that causes a (re)configure which causes a service to (re)start it will pollute the host's service PID lists in the 'real' /run/
[18:49] <EriC^^> yeah
[18:50] <BrokenCog> so, I was hoping to see some sort of shell option in the GRUB menu, what am I trying to do?
[18:50] <TJ-> BrokenCog: I'm trying to recall what your original issue was!?
[18:51] <BrokenCog> TJ-: lol, so am I :)>  logging in any user bounces back to login.
[18:51] <EriC^^> BrokenCog: graphics driver issue probably
[18:51] <TJ-> BrokenCog: oh! GUI login... right... if you can get to the Recovery option and it boots, you can use the root shell to check out the system logs and so forth to determine what the issue is, without the GUI failure getting in the way
[18:53] <TJ-> BrokenCog: another option, now you can get the GRUB boot menu. On the menu, highlight the regular first "Ubuntu" entry on the main menu, press 'E' to edit it, navigate to the line starting "linux ..." delete "quiet splash" replace with "text" and press Ctrl+X or F10 to boot with the modified params. 'text' prevents the GUI from starting but you have full multi-user VT console access
[18:53] <BrokenCog> TJ-: thanks.
[18:54] <dersand> tj- trying out newly burned ubuntu on this pc.
[19:00] <BrokenCog> is there a way to downgrade a recent update? a roll back or something ...
[19:01] <TJ-> BrokenCog: it can be done but is usually quite difficult and problematic
[19:01] <TJ-> BrokenCog: far better is to review the relavent logs and fix the existing issue
[19:03] <_ROC> need help with a general computer issue?
[19:03] <TJ-> BrokenCog: I'd start with "ls -latr /var/log/" to list logs with most recently changed last. Then work through kern.log syslog Xorg.0.log first, looking for timestamps during the boot session that failed. You'll probably find the kernel driver for the GPU failed to load due to some kernel update
[19:04] <TJ-> BrokenCog: a very fast check for GPU problems is "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log" - any results you've got a GPU issue and should review that log in detail
[19:04] <BrokenCog> yes ...
[19:04] <BrokenCog> the errors are related to /proc/driver/prl_vtg ...
[19:04] <BrokenCog> which isn't meaningful to me yet.
[19:05] <Dersand> I'm on mobile. Rip
[19:05] <BrokenCog> error is can't open ... which isn't a surprise since it doesn't exist.
[19:05] <swch`> what is permission '@'?
[19:06] <TJ-> BrokenCog: whatever 'prl_vtg' is, it isn't part of the standard kernel
[19:06] <Dersand> Booted up ubuntu and chose second one in advanced boot. The recovery thing
[19:06] <BrokenCog> TJ-: it may or maynot be part of a VM guest ... I'm not sure.
[19:06] <swch`> http://pastebin.com/fJWvK3yH | what does the '@' means
[19:06] <TJ-> BrokenCog: apparently it's a Parallels file
[19:07] <Dersand> Now it's stuck on "loading Linux 3.16.0-generic ..."
[19:07] <Dersand> Tj- should I press anything?
[19:08] <TJ-> Dersand: Interesting! OK, that message is written by GRUB (the boot loader) when it is reading the Linux kernel image into memory. So we know you got past the BIOS issue.
[19:09] <Dersand> It's on my pre installed ubuntu. Not bootable usb
[19:09] <BrokenCog> swch`: man ls ... you wil find in means that file is a lym link.
[19:09] <BrokenCog> *symbolic
[19:09] <BrokenCog> bbl ... meeting.
[19:09] <ioria> swch`, http://serverfault.com/questions/151997/what-does-the-symbol-mean-in-a-files-permission-settings
[19:10] <TJ-> Dersand: Oh!... so there is some problem with the install there as well. You aren't having much fortune today
[19:10] <Dersand> Waif
[19:10] <Dersand> Wait
[19:10] <swch`> ioria, thx! solved my problem
[19:10] <Dersand> I just got into the recovery mode
[19:10] <ioria> swch`, good
[19:11] <Dersand> Now what do I do to change the root pw
[19:11] <TJ-> Dersand: there is no root password on Ubuntu
[19:11] <TJ-> !root | Dersand
[19:11] <Dersand> Tj- i mean pw for login dcreen
[19:12] <TJ-> Dersand: the first user account created by the Ubuntu installer makes that user an admin of the system by adding them to the 'sudo' group
[19:12] <TJ-> Dersand: If you mean a regular VT "login:" prompt, it is your regular username/password combination
[19:12] <delinquentme> anyone in here use a guide to configure a 'hackintosh' ? im looking to run ubuntu as my primary OS on MBP hardware
[19:15] <Dersand_> Test
[19:15] <TJ-> Test OK
[19:15] <Dersand_> https://dl.pushbulletusercontent.com/3Mj7rsaXoFHdO9o0xU8PdsnPJzUwQJoH/20150930_211349.jpg tj-
[19:16] <TJ-> Dersand_: OK, that's the 'friendly recovery' menu. If you select that you enter a root user session but it doesn't need a password
[19:17] <Dersand_> Tj- pardon?
[19:17] <TJ-> Dersand_: you have a syntax error in your mount command though; use a comma, not a dot, "-o remount,rw"
[19:21] <delinquentme> is anyone in here running ubuntu on a MBP ?   .... im hearing from #mac that battelry life is an issue ???
[19:21] <Donrosaduck> hello there
[19:22] <pmaxk> hi
[19:22] <Donrosaduck> well i got some problem pehaps someone could help me
[19:23] <NoImNotNineVolt> hi. does anyone know if the libzmq3 and libzmq3-dev packages are built with support for sodium curve crypto?
[19:23] <MonkeyDust> delinquentme  http://www.webupd8.org/2013/04/improve-power-usage-battery-life-in.html
[19:23] <Donrosaduck> first i m a begginer with linux / ubuntu environnement
[19:24] <MonkeyDust> Donrosaduck  keep your question in one line, that's easier to read and repeat
[19:24] <Donrosaduck> i got when i start this very strange : Busybox v1.22.1 built-in-shell (ash)
 (initramfs)_
[19:24] <dersand> tj- http://i.imgur.com/7I7wBTn.png
[19:24] <TJ-> NoImNotNineVolt: you'd need to examine the source code and the debian/control build-depends line
[19:25] <TJ-> dersand: !! is that on the "Loading Operating System" problem PC?
[19:25] <dersand> tj- unfortunatly not
[19:25] <TJ-> dersand: Oh, the dual-boot?
[19:25] <dersand> yeah
[19:26] <dersand> is there any built in stuff that we can use for make a proper bootable?
[19:26] <TJ-> dersand: looks like you should do "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[19:26] <TJ-> dersand: Oh yes, we can get it done real quick now.
[19:26] <ioria> NoImNotNineVolt, i think not... http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man3/zmq_curve_keypair.3.html
[19:27] <TJ-> dersand: plug the USB device in, then do "sudo lsblk -f" and identify the USB device name, e.g. /dev/sdc
[19:27] <ioria> NoImNotNineVolt, The libzmq library was not built with cryptographic support
[19:28] <TJ-> dersand: if you need to, download the installer ISO again, or if you can get to it in the Windows file-system, use it from there. Tell me which option you are going to use.
[19:28] <TJ-> dersand: I deleted the patched ISO so if you need it I'll have to recreate it
[19:28] <Enaell> hi guys !
[19:28] <dersand> tj- i am still executing sudo apt full-upgrade. But i do not have the .iso file on ubuntu
[19:29] <dersand> it is on windows and i have idea how to reach it from ubuntus side
[19:29] <dersand> i guess i just redownload it
[19:29] <auronandace> dersand: just mount the partition
[19:30] <reisio> dersand: check the left side of your file manager
[19:30] <BrokenCog> well, that was fun.  being brow beat for the build machine not  working after ... doing an upstream update.  yay.
[19:30] <dersand> reisio i have something called 'files', is that it?
[19:31] <reisio> dersand: probably not, but it could be under that
[19:32] <dersand> reisio what should i even check for? just search file manager or what?
[19:32] <TJ-> dersand: let me recreate the patched ISO and I'll give you the URL again
[19:32] <reisio> dersand: no don't search
[19:32] <reisio> i it's not right there somewhere it won't be worth it
[19:32] <reisio> you can get to it from a terminal, though, if it isn't there
[19:32] <Enaell> Guys, i've got a little problem. Actually, it's not on Ubuntu but it deal with. I had Ubuntu 14.04.3 and Win8.1 on dual-boot. Yesterday, i uninstalled Ubuntu to switch to Kali Linux. The fact is that when i boot on a Kali CD, i have a blackscreen. And when I boot on a live USB, i have this :  http://i.imgur.com/Hr4d7EI.jpg. Now i don't know what to do.. // btw my computer is recent, i have a UEFI BiOS and the security boot is disable.
[19:33] <auronandace> dersand: show us a screenshot of the file manager
[19:33] <linocisco> hi all
[19:33] <linocisco> I can't install apt-get install libglade2
[19:33] <dersand> auronandace what do you even mean with file manager?
[19:34] <linocisco> E: Unable to locate package libglade2
[19:34] <auronandace> Enaell: this channel only deals with ubuntu issues sorry
[19:34] <liltone> hi
[19:34] <wileee> linocisco, Context please.
[19:34] <TJ-> dersand: In a terminal do "wget https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso"
[19:34] <liltone> anyone from Romania??
[19:34] <Enaell> auronandace : yeah i know, but i came here because i don't find any help on the others chan.. anyway, sorry :(
[19:34] <wileee> !find libglade2
[19:35] <Ultraheroe> Hola, ¿Alguien de España?
[19:35] <ioria> !info libglade2-0
[19:35] <dersand> tj- alright however it is stille executing same command on 30% completion right now
[19:35] <wileee> !es | Ultraheroe
[19:35] <auronandace> dersand: nautilus is the file manager in ubuntu, i was trying to get you to show us a screenshot so we can identify for you which is your windows partition so you can mount it to get that iso
[19:35] <NoImNotNineVolt> ioria: thank you.
[19:35] <linocisco> wileee, i am follwing instruction to install canon printer LBP3050
[19:35] <ioria> NoImNotNineVolt, you 're welcome
[19:36] <linocisco> 64bit for my 15.04 64bit
[19:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> looks like i'll need to build from source :|
[19:36] <wileee> linocisco, Do you see the bots info?
[19:36] <NoImNotNineVolt> or use whitequark's ppa, i guess.
[19:36] <linocisco> wileee, yes. but I dont understand
[19:36] <liltone> who use backbox os?
[19:36] <TJ-> dersand: that's OK, I was just letting you know its ready for you
[19:36] <Donrosaduck> what can i do mates when i got this :error: attempt to read or write outside of disk 'hd0'
[19:37] <Donrosaduck> then (initramfs) ?
[19:37] <ioria> linocisco, you mean this http://software.canon-europe.com/software/0040567.asp ?
[19:38] <ioria> linocisco, the last ubuntu supported is Ubuntu 10.04
[19:39] <dersand> this full upgrade command sure takes a while
[19:39] <dersand> can not even create a screen shot
[19:39] <ioria> linocisco, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CanonCaptDrv190
[19:40] <TJ-> Donrosaduck: dersand is it still at 30%
[19:40] <TJ-> dersand is it still at 30%
[19:40] <K4k> Is openjdk-8-{jdk,jre} going to make it in to trusty-backports at some point?
[19:40] <dersand> 84% as of right now
[19:41] <vmnewbie> I upgrade my distro and now I can't log into my computer. The screen freezes up and I wind up back at login
[19:41] <TJ-> Donrosaduck: your issue: "hd0" suggests a GRUB boot manager issue but then "(initramfs)" indicates the kernel and initial ramdisk loaded but the root file-system couldn't be found
[19:41] <TJ-> dersand: OK, not used it in a while I guess?
[19:41] <dersand> is there any way to make my keyboard not english? if i press shift 8 i want a parenthesis, not a *
[19:41] <wileee> vmnewbie, helps to know the upgrade path used and the release you're on.
[19:42] <TJ-> dersand: There is usually a keyboard management applet for installing additional keyboard maps
[19:42] <dersand> tj- installed ubuntu on this machine back in april i guess
[19:42] <vmnewbie> wileee I don't know either
[19:42] <vmnewbie> Can't I do something with grub?
[19:42] <vmnewbie> TJ- you can give some input,  you and I forgot the other guys name helped me upgrade
[19:42] <vmnewbie> I was the guy without wifi
[19:43] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: What graphics set ? ATI or Nvidia ? Might try the 'nomodeset' boot parameter , and once booted (RE-)install the proprietary graphic's driver .
[19:43] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om how do I get to grub
[19:43] <vmnewbie> Nvm
[19:44] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: Depends if the us a UEFI system ?
[19:44] <lenovo3> hello.... Apologies ahead of time if I ask a question incorrectly or seem like a leech or anything like that...or even entitled
[19:44] <lenovo3> but I am really seeking an answer as to why......
[19:44] <lenovo3> and this is specifically an ubntu forum
[19:45] <wileee> lenovo3, to the point all in one post.
[19:45] <lenovo3> soo here goes
[19:45] <dersand> tj- just did the wget command
[19:45] <lenovo3> hehe
[19:45] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om did no modest but the error still occurs
[19:45] <MonkeyDust> lenovo3  spare the enter key
[19:45] <lenovo3> wilee I just got kicked and banned out of #linux on DalNet
[19:45] <lenovo3> they thought i was a troll
[19:45] <wileee> !tmi | lenovo3
[19:45] <MonkeyDust> lenovo3  we think so too
[19:45] <lenovo3> then they directed me to 2 links on how to properly ask questions in a Linux or hacker channel
[19:46] <auronandace> lenovo3: would you like to ask your ubuntu support question now?
[19:46] <lenovo3> MonkeyDust I promise I am not.....when I go TROLL, I go TROLL 100% with power...trust me
[19:46] <vmnewbie> What do I do? I can't log in D:
[19:46] <lenovo3> not that I troll...just sayin
[19:46] <TJ-> dersand: Great... so you have the image downloaded now?
[19:47] <TJ-> !ask | lenovo3
[19:47] <lenovo3> ok here is my Question......although simple in nature...I really dont know the answer
[19:47] <dersand> tj- at 50% as of writing
[19:47] <TJ-> dersand: now identify the device-name of the USB: "sudo lsblk -f"
[19:48] <TJ-> dersand: you can open a 2nd terminal tab to do the lsblk, you don't have to wait for the download to complete
[19:48] <dersand> tj- oh
[19:48] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: Once to the grub boot menu -> advanced options -> recovery . Can you boot via the recovery console ?
[19:49] <lenovo3> My question is: why cant someone...typically perhaps a programmer .....just take the source code of a particular program that exists for lets say.......Arch linux, but doesnt for ubuntu...and compile from source and upload it as a .deb file rather than making each individual compile it from source......I certainly dont know how, nor do I want to...because I am trying to convert people to linux....without giving them the excuse: Oh you have to compile it from
[19:49] <lenovo3>  source
[19:49] <lenovo3> (sorry..I have to be exact and blunt so you get th gist of my question)
[19:49] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om trying now
[19:49] <dersand> tj- i got something that looks like my usb. "Sdb > sdb4 vfat  uui /media/erik/uui"
[19:49] <dersand> makes any sense?
[19:49] <TJ-> lenovo3: We already have the functionality on Ubuntu - it is called Personal Package Archives
[19:50] <lenovo3> TJ, I dont understand
[19:50] <auronandace> !software | lenovo3
[19:50] <lenovo3> I know I can get stuff there in PPAs but there is Stuff that is not there
[19:50] <alazare619> i must be forgeting someting
[19:50] <lenovo3> I think you dont understand my question
[19:50] <alazare619> i did a ubuntu mini install
[19:50] <alazare619> but i can not get x to start
[19:50] <TJ-> lenovo3: see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[19:51] <alazare619> i installed slim
[19:51] <alazare619> and i enabled slim.service w/ systemctl
[19:51] <alazare619> but still wont boot
[19:51] <TJ-> dersand: can you do "pastebinit <( sudo lsblk -f )" ?
[19:51] <dersand> tj- installation complete
[19:51] <ioria> alazare619, there is no X in mini... you have tominstall i
[19:51] <ioria> *t
[19:51] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Did you also install 'xorg' ?
[19:51] <alazare619> yes Bashing-om
[19:52] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om still leads to a crash
[19:52] <alazare619> https://gist.github.com/alazare619/89d4801b3d37eaa48780 is my exact script ive used
[19:52] <lenovo3> Thanks ubottu and TJ, I will look at those
[19:52] <TJ-> lenovo3: that's the point; *any* person can create a PPA and build software there.
[19:52] <lenovo3> but I dont think they answer my question
[19:52] <alazare619> still revising it but it just wont boot to slim
[19:52] <auronandace> lenovo3: it would help if you had a specific example of what you "need" to compile from source
[19:52] <lenovo3> Im not currently trying to figure it out
[19:52] <lenovo3> whaty i want to know is why doesnt someone precompile them so it doesnt need to be done?
[19:52] <TJ-> lenovo3: if someone doesn't package a project you're interested in, then either do it yourself or find someone familiar with the project who will do it
[19:52] <lenovo3> TJ I see
[19:53] <TJ-> lenovo3: this is the "Freedom" in Free/Open Source Software
[19:53] <dersand> tj- http://paste.ubuntu.com/12626569/
[19:54] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om any other ideas?
[19:54] <lenovo3> so newbies who switch to linux will have to learn to compile? ( I dont think they will..they will just be turned off by linux)  thats why I think it should be uplpoaded...I hope one day I could do it myself
[19:54] <TJ-> dersand: right! what the heck that UUI is I don't know! certainly not a correctly written ISO though!
[19:54] <korsakof> .deb are binaries. apt-get install does not compile the code...
[19:54] <dersand> tj- i think it was the universal ui something from pendrive
[19:54] <MonkeyDust> !manual | lenovo3 newbies can read this
[19:55] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: UNgood ... Will see what we can come up with .. What release and desktop are we dealing with here ?
[19:55] <TJ-> dersand: do "udisksctl unmount /media/erik/UUI" and then check with "sudo lsblk -f" that it is no longer mounted
[19:55] <lenovo3> korsakof  Im not sure what your saying...but what I am am saying is......there could be so much more apps available for ubuntu and mint right from the get go if they were compiled ahead of time
[19:55] <k1l_> lenovo3: most programs for noobies are precompiled in the ubuntu repos. so what exact program are you talking about?
[19:55] <auronandace> lenovo3: you also need to consider licenses, sometimes projects are not allowed to host certain software due to the license
[19:55] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om I did dist upgrade yesterday I think it was next to the newest release... like .04 or something
[19:55] <lenovo3> newbies and people who switched to linux shopyuld not ever have to worry about having to compile VIBER 32 bit version because only a 64bit version exists...know what I mean?
[19:56] <Lexicade> Anyone run into the problem where your crontab doesnt save he edits you make to it?
[19:56] <vmnewbie> Sorry I don't remember
[19:56] <Lexicade> Not sure why or how its going wrong
[19:56] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Is this a 15.04 minimal install ?
[19:56] <k1l_> lenovo3: the problem is: manpower. its a lot of work to keep the packages updated and in a good state and not breaking other packages. if you know a program that is not included best is to ask the developer if he want to maintain it
[19:56] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  yes
[19:56] <alazare619> i can start x after installing xinit
[19:56] <lenovo3> k1l_ I wish I could come up with an example...my mind is blank at the moment...but I guess Viber is a good example
[19:56] <TJ-> lenovo3: newbies that choose Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and many others don't have to do that since the distro archives/repositories have alrady built the most popular packages
[19:56] <alazare619> but it is still not booting to slim
[19:56] <alazare619> i get cli login
[19:56] <MonkeyDust> what's viber?
[19:57] <lenovo3> TJ- thats true but there are some major ones missing
[19:57] <lenovo3> VIBER is like Skype
[19:57] <k1l_> lenovo3: erm, why are you using 32bit?
[19:57] <lenovo3> its very poular on Smart phones and now there is an official Ubuntu version...but only 64bit]
[19:57] <auronandace> lenovo3: that is an android app
[19:57] <esph> lenovo3: I think you're mostly inventing a problem that isn't there. I've never encountered something "major" that I needed to compile.
[19:57] <dersand> tj- are you sure? http://imgur.com/a/zu8Hw
[19:58] <TJ-> lenovo3: exactly, and therefore someone with an interest and skills needs to package that project. You can't expect 'someone else' to magically do it, every package in a distro has/had someone interested in at some point so that they packaged it
[19:58] <lenovo3> k1l_ for many reasons...there is alot of software I want that is only 32bit.....and my computers only have 1gb or 2gb and cant run 64bit versions...and the computers I sell are the same
[19:58] <lenovo3> 32 bit seems more reliable
[19:58] <k1l_> lenovo3: 32bit is dying. let it dy
[19:58] <linocisco> root@Tommy-Inspiron-3443:/dev/usb# sudo update-rc.d ccpd defaults
[19:58] <linocisco> insserv: warning: script 'ccpd' missing LSB tags and overrides
[19:58] <k1l_> *die
[19:58] <lenovo3> esph  trust me..its a big problem
[19:58] <lenovo3> im not inventing it
[19:59] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Try as a boot parameter ' systemd.unit=multi-user.target '. Do you boot to terminal? IF so we try and start the GUI .
[19:59] <lenovo3> k1l_ maybe...but this is not good for linux at the moment....we need as many converts as possible.........linux is too fragmented
[19:59] <Lexicade> Anyone kwow why my edits to my crontab are not saving after closing? D:
[19:59] <TJ-> dersand: sorry, typo! "udisksctl unmount -b /dev/sdb4"
[19:59] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  problem i have is i dont ever even see grub
[19:59] <lenovo3> an linux is good for reviving rejected PC's
[19:59] <alazare619> it boots to damn quick
[19:59] <k1l_> lenovo3: amount of ram is not the reason for using 64bit. linux distributions are thinking about dropping 32bit isos anyway. besides: ubuntu is multiarch, so you can install 32bit software on 64bit ubuntu
[19:59] <lenovo3> so 32 bit support is important
[19:59] <linocisco> root@Tommy-Inspiron-3443:/dev/usb# sudo service ccpd status
[19:59] <linocisco> ● ccpd.service - (null)
[19:59] <linocisco>    Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/ccpd)
[19:59] <linocisco>    Active: inactive (dead)
[19:59] <linocisco>      Docs: man:systemd-sysv-generator(8)
[19:59] <linocisco> root@Tommy-Inspiron-3443:/dev/usb#
[19:59] <k1l_> lenovo3: nope. 32bit wil die, very soon
[20:00] <auronandace> lenovo3: perhaps you don't understand freedom, anywho this is getting offtopic
[20:00] <esph> lenovo3: I'll trust myself, thanks. Anyway, your argument boils down to "why doesn't someone else do everything that could possibly be done?" Why doesn't everyone feed hungry people so no one starves?
[20:00] <lenovo3> k1l_ thats true, but there was another reason I dont use 64bit...
[20:00] <TJ-> dersand: I need to go for dinner now; are you OK for a while?
[20:00] <lenovo3> I didnt know there was a topic?  I am just coming here for support
[20:00] <k1l_> lenovo3: but i think without a specific issue that talk belongs to the #ubuntu-offtopic channel since this needs to be for specific support
[20:00] <lenovo3> would every question be off topic in a sence/
[20:01] <lenovo3> k1l_ my question is specific,
[20:01] <lenovo3> I asked why cant people precompile them ahead of time
[20:01] <auronandace> lenovo3: it is not a support question though
[20:01] <esph> lenovo3: philosophy questions aren't specific in the context of this chat.
[20:01] <linocisco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12626617/
[20:01] <k1l_> lenovo3: for viber: talk to the viber guys. the make a 64bit one so ask them if they can make a 32bit one
[20:01] <lenovo3> thats what I am asking specifically without naming programs
[20:01] <TJ-> dersand: if you have the ISO and the device is not mounted you can write the image to USB with "sudo dd if=ubuntu-14.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=50M" ... when it finished make sure to do "sync" and wait for that to return to the shell prompt before removing the USB device from the PC
[20:01] <lenovo3> esph ok, I give up
[20:01] <k1l_> lenovo3: because its the peoples task.
[20:02] <Bashing-om> alazare619: UEFI system ?
[20:02] <alazare619> vbox bios
[20:02] <dersand> tj- http://imgur.com/a/zu8Hw
[20:02] <dersand> wrong link
[20:02] <lenovo3> thanks for the links
[20:02] <dersand> tj- http://paste.ubuntu.com/12626619/
[20:02] <lenovo3> I think they might help
[20:02] <TJ-> dersand: OK, yes, you're ready to write the ISO as per the command above
[20:03] <TJ-> dersand: get it started so I know you're on the way, then I can go to dinner!
[20:03] <Lexicade> Anyoen able to help with a crontab issue im facing?
[20:03] <lenovo3> Thank you TJ- and thank you k1l_
[20:03]  * m3n3chm0 nasZ
[20:03] <lenovo3> going to read those links you guys gave earlier
[20:04] <Lexicade> D:
[20:04] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  got it
[20:05] <alazare619> dont ask me why
[20:05] <MonkeyDust> Lexicade  let's hear it, in one line
[20:05] <dersand> tj- dd: failed to open ‘ubuntu-14.04.03-desktop-amd64.iso’: No such file or directory
[20:05] <alazare619> but systemctl set-default graphical.target after set-default multi-user.target then start slim worked
[20:05] <TJ-> dersand: did you issue the command in the same directory as you downloaded the file?
[20:05] <TJ-> dersand: "ls -al"
[20:05] <Lexicade> Put simply, after saving my changes and re-opening with crontab-e m edits are gone.
[20:06] <dersand> i see it in ls -al
[20:06] <TJ-> dersand: maybe the filename I gave you has a typo?
[20:06] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Are you now logged into the terminal ?
[20:06] <dersand> can you paste in the terminal_
[20:06] <alazare619> its up and running x11
[20:06] <dersand> ?*
[20:06] <alazare619> and i loged into the dm
[20:06] <auronandace> dersand: when you start typing the filename press tab andit should autocomplete
[20:06] <TJ-> dersand: do "pastebinit <( ls -al )"
[20:07] <dersand> wait. i just executed it
[20:07] <TJ-> dersand: if you want to paste from the GUI to termainl, Ctrl+Shift+V to paste
[20:07] <dersand> the dd command
[20:07] <TJ-> dersand: OK, and it is now running not reported an error?
[20:07] <Bashing-om> alazare619: So your system is good, just a config issue with 'slim' the login manager ?
[20:07] <dersand> i just get a blinking white stuff, i guess its doing
[20:08] <dersand> something
[20:08] <Lexicade> No idea then, I guess, MonkeyDust ?
[20:08] <dersand> 20 plus 1 records of in
[20:08] <dersand> 20+1 records in 20+1 records out 1054867456 bytes (1,1 GB) copied, 57,3792 s, 18,4 MB/s
[20:08] <TJ-> dersand: yes, it won't tell you anything at all... just wait patiently. When it finishes be sure to do "sync" and wait patiently again
[20:08] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om do I still need to wait?
[20:09] <dersand> i got my 'erik at ' thing back
[20:09] <TJ-> dersand: once sync returns to the shell prompt you can see the difference with "sudo lsblk -f" and then take it out and try it in the other PC
[20:09] <MonkeyDust> Lexicade  did you say or ask anything?
[20:09] <TJ-> dersand: lsblk should show the name of the Ubuntu release now
[20:09] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  looks to be a config issue with slim
[20:09] <Lexicade> Yes. I did. Multiple times.
[20:09] <dersand> tj- http://paste.ubuntu.com/12626678/
[20:09] <TJ-> dersand: Excellent! go try it now
[20:10] <dersand> how do i safetly disconnect the usb?
[20:10] <MonkeyDust> Lexicade  no, disappearing commands from crontab is bit vague
[20:10] <TJ-> dersand: unplug it :)
[20:10] <BenMcLean> hey guys. anyone know how to make a desktop launcher for freac? (the free audio encoder program)
[20:10] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  http://hastebin.com/irekiyagis.rb
[20:10] <Lexicade> ITs all I got to go by unforunately. I dont have this magicallog email that its supposed to send.
[20:10] <BenMcLean> When I try to make one, selecting it has no effect :(
[20:10] <dersand> tj- isnt there any cool command do to that? im dissapointed
[20:10] <BenMcLean> this doesn't happen with other programs
[20:10] <dersand> very well
[20:11] <TJ-> dersand: as long as no file-system on the device is mounted, you can just unplug it
[20:11] <dersand> wish me luck
[20:11] <dersand> allright
[20:11] <TJ-> dersand: I'm off to dinner now
[20:11] <dersand> tj- enjoy!!!
[20:12] <BenMcLean> see i made this here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12626722/
[20:12] <auronandace> !cookie | TJ-
[20:13] <BenMcLean> my freac is extracted to /home/ben/Apps/freac/freac and I know it's the right path because the icon works
[20:14] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Look'n
[20:14] <smellsLikeGoatSp> hey guys, how can I enable 5GHz wifi on my ubuntu machine. I have an intel wireless 7260ac?
[20:14] <BenMcLean> no one has any idea why that launcher doesn't work? :(
[20:15] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Is there some reason you have to have a login manager ? I also run minimal, and I find the the login manager is useless overhead .
[20:16] <MonkeyDust> BenMcLean  make a symbolic link to /usr/bin/ and/or to /usr/share/applications/
[20:16] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  yea its for a 400 machine rollout of a remote desktop client thinclient essentially Bashing-om
[20:16] <alazare619> users are dumb
[20:17] <MonkeyDust> unfamiliar with something is not the same as dumb
[20:18] <BenMcLean> MonkeyDust where? and how would that help here?
[20:18] <alazare619> when they use windows xp machine for the last 15 years
[20:18] <alazare619> and they dont understand a start button
[20:18] <BenMcLean> alazare619 has a point
[20:18] <alazare619> they are dumb and not unfamiliar MonkeyDust i know my users better then  yourself but thanks anyways ;)
[20:19] <BenMcLean> you can lead a horse to water but screw that, horses are dumb
[20:19] <Bashing-om> alazare619: Yeah, ya got to have the login manager. .. Now we are out of my depth, but we have to convert the upstart script for 'slim' to that of 15.04's systemd. Totally out of my depth . See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers .
[20:20] <alazare619> yea i started doing that and i got it converted to systemd it even enabled now...but its still dropping to non graphical...
[20:20] <BenMcLean> I don't understand though, why Unity / Nautilus doesn't come with an easy shortcut making option in all it's context menus like Windows has
[20:20] <alazare619> its weird because i can systemctl start slim.service
[20:20] <alazare619> and boom i have slim...but it will NOT boot to it ...
[20:21] <dennis__> hi, i search for a youtube uploader software. Can anyone help me?
[20:21] <Bashing-om> alazare619: .xinitrc in the /home directory ?
[20:21] <auronandace> dennis__: uploader? you use their website interface
[20:22] <dersand> is there a way to zip or rar something?
[20:22] <alexus> hello
[20:22] <BenMcLean> dersand, yeah. you'll need a zip or rar making program.
[20:23] <k1l_> dersand: yes you can zip or rar something on ubuntu
[20:23] <dersand2> k1l_ anything in-built so to speak?
[20:23] <MonkeyDust> !zip
[20:23] <k1l_> dersand2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[20:24] <BenMcLean> I was wondering where this symbolic link's supposed to go MonkeyDust
[20:24] <alexus> ufw status verbose reports default: deny (incoming), i dont think that part is working as i'm able to connect without any issues...
[20:24] <alexus> any help?
[20:25] <MonkeyDust> BenMcLean  try to /usr/bin/ and/or to /usr/share/applications/
[20:25] <dersand2> changing name on irc, how do i do it?
[20:25] <alexus>  /name newname
[20:25] <MonkeyDust> dersand2  /nick blah
[20:25] <dersand2> did it worked?
[20:25] <alexus> i meant to say /nick sorry
[20:25] <dersand2> lol
[20:25] <BenMcLean> MonkeyDust, to there, but where FROM ?
[20:26] <k1l_> dersand2: maybe you need to install the zip, unzip, unrar(-free) to get it working.
[20:26] <alexus> can someone help me with my ufw please?
[20:26] <dersand> k1l_ no, i didn't pay attention. found it.
[20:26] <dersand> k1l_ thanks
[20:26] <MonkeyDust> BenMcLean  from the executable you created
[20:26] <teward> alexus: run: sudo ufw enable
[20:26] <teward> alexus: then try
[20:26] <alexus> teward ufw is already enabled
[20:26] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: How ya doing ?
[20:26] <alexus> ufw status says active
[20:27] <teward> alexus: how are you testing the 'connect'
[20:27] <BenMcLean> MonkeyDust, you mean the executable I extracted in /home/ben/Apps/freac/ ?
[20:27] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om having an anxiety attack about my comp. I was debating on formatting my hd D:
[20:27] <alexus> teward, i use curl on a remote server
[20:27] <MonkeyDust> BenMcLean  yes, try that
[20:28] <MonkeyDust> BenMcLean  but does the executable work when you run it from its direct path?
[20:28] <BenMcLean> MonkeyDust are you sure you don't mean a symbolic link from usr/share/applications/ to that executable?
[20:28] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: Good for the heart. a (RE-)install is the means of last resort .( though often the quickest) . So where ya stuck ? We get ya over that .
[20:29] <alexus> teward i also tried ssh as well
[20:30] <BenMcLean> MonkeyDust yes it works from it's direct path
[20:30] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om so I tried booting into the old kernel, didn't do anything. Same error in the end
[20:30] <BenMcLean> so that would be ln -s /home/ben/Apps/freac/freac /usr/share/applications
[20:31] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om are you going to be on in am hour?
[20:31] <vmnewbie> An*
[20:31] <BenMcLean> sudo that i guess
[20:31] <BenMcLean> The link created from that does not work
[20:32] <teward> alexus: do you have firewall rules to permit connections to those ports?
[20:32] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: Well, if ya boot to terminal .. and GUI/graphic's driver is not a part of the equation. If you can boot to terminal shows the system is intact and the problem lies in the X layer .
[20:32] <plugyn> if I automount my external drive on boot, will it cause an error if it's not plugged in or will it skip it and continue to boot normally?
[20:32] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om so that will help in narrowing this down?
[20:32] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: I expect to be here about 4 more hours or so .
[20:32] <wileee> plugyn, should skip if set up correctly.
[20:33] <plugyn> thanks wilee.
[20:33] <vmnewbie> I'm in class vetting answers to a practice exam. I'll message you after
[20:33] <vmnewbie> Thanks
[20:33] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om  ^
[20:33] <wileee> plugyn, fstab I assume you've used.
[20:33] <plugyn> yup.
[20:33] <wileee> cool
[20:33] <alexus> teward, I have strict rule that allows connection to specific port from speicic IP range, yet I'm able to connect to these ports from other networks as well and according to ufw status verbose it shows me Default: deny (incoming) which I assume should deny all incoming connections, unless I have a rule to allow in (which I don't)
[20:33] <alazare619> Bashing-om:  got it
[20:33] <alazare619> systemctl disable multi-user.target is what i had to do
[20:34] <alazare619> for some reason it was overiding default graphical target...
[20:34] <plugyn> i have my secondary autoboot, but I accidentially broke xubuntu doing that. Got it all fixed but I don't want to have to do the same thing just because my external isn't plugged in lmao
[20:34] <plugyn> automount*
[20:35] <BenMcLean> MonkeyDust, that symbolic link doesn't work :
[20:35] <BenMcLean> :(
[20:35] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: 75% of boot issues after a update are graphics related .. due to the old graphics card built against that old kernel . We dtermine that it is a grahics issue and purge/re-install the driver .
[20:36] <Bashing-om> alazare619: "got ot" mean ya booting to GUI mow ?
[20:36] <vmnewbie> Bashing-om is that an easy how to on google?
[20:37] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: It is not hard at all . easier than said to boot to terminal. You on a different computer than is the problem ? We wlak you through booting to terminal from grub .
[20:38] <vmnewbie> I'm on my phone. Yeah. Can we try in one hour? I'm in class
[20:38] <daftykins> LOL.
[20:38] <Bashing-om> vmnewbie: K .. at your pace .
[20:40] <badcom> Hi guys. Which GUI tool you guys use on Ubuntu? I installed Mysql-Workbench, but it's a bit sluggish and it hangs sometimes =/
[20:40] <Jaglor> I'm trying to use ppa-purge to get rid of this: W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kernel-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found ... what would be the syntax?
[20:40] <smellsLikeGoatSp> how do I activate the 5ghz wifi of my dual-band ac?
[20:41] <Bashing-om> alazare619: I will keep that in mind, As when I upgrade to systemd, going to be a learning curve dealing with my minimal install .
[20:42] <lord2800> hey folks, I'm trying to customize /etc/network/interfaces in ubuntu 14.04.2 at install time using late_command in a preseed file without much luck--the file reverts back to the default after the first boot (destroying my changes), and doesn't include a line like "source-directory interfaces.d" like the docs say it should
[20:44] <Jaglor> Figured it out: sudo apt-add-repository --remove ppa:kernel-ppa/ppa
[20:44] <TJ-> dersand: Did the PC boot the installer?
[20:44] <dersand> tj- yes. thanks a 10000x times
[20:44] <lord2800> for various reasons, I can't yet make my dhcp server do the right thing, so I need to make /etc/network/interfaces cover the gap temporarily
[20:45] <dersand> tj- i don't got much, but i have like 100 doge-coins if you want them
[20:45] <TJ-> dersand: *PHEW*
[20:46] <T3DDY> Anyone know if it's easy to install Ubuntu onto a MacBook pro
[20:46] <TJ-> dersand: thank-you but no, you keep them. It is good to know we solved it
[20:46] <auronandace> !mac | T3DDY
[20:46] <daftykins> T3DDY: depends on the model, there's a page ^
[20:47] <dersand> tj- yeah absolutely! also, do you know  how to change the order in the gnu? like the purple screen where ubuntu, memtest86 and the other memtest86.
[20:48] <daftykins> dersand: /etc/default/grub
[20:48] <daftykins> well, default - not so much order
[20:49] <dersand> daftykins, still a pretty noob to this, what does that mean
[20:49] <auronandace> dersand: one way is to rename the files in /etc/grub.d/ then do a update-grub
[20:50] <daftykins> dersand: it is a configuration file wherein the default OS to boot on startup can be chosen
[20:50] <TJ-> dersand: that is the GRUB menu. you'd have to tinker with the scripts under /etc/grub.d/ to do that.If you only want to change the 'default' entry (the one that is started if you don't intervene) you can edit /etc/default/grub and change the GRUB_DEFAULT to be the index number of the entry
[20:50] <dersand> tj- got it
[20:51] <dersand> also, i had a folder on the pc i wanted to boot on which had some python projects in. (w10). But i can't find this folder
[20:51] <dersand> it was like c:\users\pycharmprojects
[20:52] <auronandace> dersand: you'll need to mount the windows partition
[20:52] <dersand> qa
[20:52] <TJ-> dersand: NTFS file-systems should be seen by the GUI file-manager as optional devices that you can mount by clicking on them
[20:53] <TJ-> dersand: paths to files will be the same but the Windows drive letters no longer apply
[20:53] <dersand> auronandace i have found it, i have found almost everything from my w10 drives except for that folder
[20:53] <DaSpirit> Hey, if I install 15.10, will it automagically upgrade when final version releases?
[20:53] <daftykins> DaSpirit: yes
[20:53] <DaSpirit> daftykins, using its own software updater?
[20:53] <daftykins> yes
[20:53] <TJ-> dersand: so if the file-manager auto-mounts what you know on Windows as C: it might appear as /media/erik/Windows/users/pycharmprojects
[20:53] <DaSpirit> Great.
[20:54] <DaSpirit> Time to install.
[20:54] <daftykins> DaSpirit: your risk :) note the channel for discussion of wily is #ubuntu+1
[20:55] <DaSpirit> All right thanks! I assume it should be stable enough... release is a week away.
[20:55] <dersand> tj- yeah i got that part,
[20:55] <dersand> i can find all other files except for that python folder...
[20:55] <TJ-> dersand: really? are you sure that's where it was?
[20:55] <dersand> makes me think that maybe that folder was auto generated on startup?
[20:56] <dersand> yeah i've even used the search function for file names i 100% know exists
[20:56] <TJ-> dersand: might be. In a terminal try "sudo find /media/erik/Windows -iname '*pycharm*'" (make sure the /media/erik/Windows matches your actual path!)
[20:58] <auronandace> dersand: are you sure they weren't online files?
[20:59] <dersand> i find them in the find command
[20:59] <dersand>  /media/ubuntu/6C9A5B919A5B56A4/Users/Erik/PycharmProjects
[21:00] <Donrosaduck> hello : is it possible to fix a bios from a terminal with a ubuntu live cd ?
[21:00] <dersand> ... but when i am navigating to the same directory. Nothing. haha
[21:01] <bprompt_> Donrosaduck:   fix a bios?   what does that mean?
[21:01] <Ifni> Hi, could someone help me with a networking problem? My laptop freezes everytime I connect to the internet and I've tried installing the drivers to no avail
[21:02] <TJ-> dersand: are you still using the Live Ubuntu environment?
[21:02] <auronandace> dersand: they weren't hidden files were they?
[21:02] <m3n3chm0> hi, blank screen using fresh player plugin.. I just only can hear the sound but image is blank :S
[21:02] <dersand> tj- yes auronandace no clue
[21:03] <dersand> http://i.imgur.com/2mgpNZU.jpg tj-
[21:03] <TJ-> dersand: Notice I gave you a command prefixed with 'sudo' so it gained root privileges. If your regular user session cannot see those same files it suggests a directory isn't accessible to your non-privileged user session
[21:04] <dersand> should i try non-sudo?
[21:04] <dersand> same results without sudo
[21:04] <MonkeyDust> dersand  type tj and then hit tab, see what happens, it autocompletes the name
[21:05] <dersand> MonkeyDust: thanks!
[21:05] <tkuester> Hey, I'm modprobing netconsole to do some kernel debugging, but I'm not seeing any output on the other side. Any ideas?
[21:06] <Ifni> can anyone help me with a broadcom BCM43142
[21:06] <Bashing-om> !bcm | Ifni Have you seen:
[21:06] <tkuester> dmesg says it's all good and ready to go, but "nc -l -u 6666" just sits there quietly
[21:07] <TJ-> dersand: "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" then "pastebinit <( ls -al /media/ubuntu/6C9A5B919A5B56A4/Users/Erik/ )"
[21:07] <Ifni> Yes I've installed the drivers
[21:07] <Ifni> but my computer keeps freezing whenever I connect to the internet using wifi
[21:07] <TJ-> tkuester: what's the kernel command line you're using?
[21:08] <bprompt_> Donrosaduck:     in channel :), more eyes, more responses :)
[21:08] <tkuester> TJ-: modprobe netconsole netconsole=6665@10.90.2.24/eth0,6666@10.90.2.14/
[21:08] <dersand> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627079/
[21:09] <TJ-> dersand: "d????????? ? ?      ?             ?            ? PycharmProjects"
[21:09] <TJ-> dersand: looks like the permisions on that directory are 'weird' :)
[21:09] <dersand> tj- saveable?
[21:09] <TJ-> dersand: I think auronandace might have the correct idea... is it some kind of mountpoint for a remote Internet cloud service?
[21:10] <dersand> TJ-: no idea
[21:10] <Donrosaduck> so hello i got some problems : i can't acces to hp bios update so i would ask if its possible to "fix" (sorry for my english) my bios from a live ubuntu
[21:11] <TJ-> dersand: the 'find' command you did, did not show any files inside that directory, so I think it must be some kind of Windows mount-point... could it be for a cabinet or ZIP archive file, if not a remote 'cloud' storage service?
[21:11] <wileee> Donrosaduck, very unlikely have seen some linux command use. In general to flash the bios you can get a bootable.
[21:13] <Donrosaduck> wilee yes bt the matter is i don't got cd writter and for now i don't now how to make a usb boot from ubuntu so i have to learn that ^^
[21:14] <bprompt_> Donrosaduck:      you mean, you're dual booting and grub isn't loading either ubuntu or windows or the other OS you have there?
[21:14] <wileee> Donrosaduck, learn what?
[21:14] <Ifni> I installed the driver I need for my broadcom as http://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers?page=1&tab=votes#tab-top  sais but it's not working
[21:15] <wileee> Donrosaduck, I think we need a better problem outline is all.
[21:16] <chatmate> YUMI is good for botable images
[21:19] <Donrosaduck> well i buy a pc with windows 7 but he got some pb; pc was very slow.so now i install ubuntu . work first but still very slow ( at least 1(minutes to start) i try to flash bios but no way and no i try to make a boot repair cose i got problem i thinks with grub
[21:20] <tkuester> Whoof. Nothing at all out of tcpdump for netconsole. :( Definitely stuck.
[21:20] <Donrosaduck> but you know i m jsut a noob in linux so i have to learn how to make a usb boot
[21:20] <MonkeyDust> Donrosaduck  you consider 1 minute to start a long time?
[21:21] <wileee> Donrosaduck, did you save the bootinfo summary a url?
[21:22] <Donrosaduck> sorry 15miniutes ^^ and the bootinfo is http://past.ubuntu.com/12627160
[21:23] <Donrosaduck> http://past.ubuntu.com/12627160/ sorry for the mistakes
[21:24] <Donrosaduck> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627160/ sorry for the mistakes
[21:25] <bprompt_> Donrosaduck:    you bought the machine with windows7, that means is a bit of an older hardware, a dual-core likely with 2.3ghz or so per core, 1min or 60secs to boot isn't that slow for that hardware
[21:25] <MonkeyDust> bprompt_  that's what i have
[21:26] <bprompt_> 60secs isn't slow though :)
[21:26] <Donrosaduck> no its more like 20 minutes for windows and 15mintues for ubuntu
[21:26] <wileee> Donrosaduck, The sda1 ubuntu partition has errors.
[21:27] <Donrosaduck> ok but what does it means ? is it a physicial problem i need to replace something or just use boot repair ?
[21:29] <wileee> Donrosaduck, Not an expert in this exactly, however looks like the HD or the partitioning/software is broken, lets get others opinions.
[21:30] <mikehaas763> Using something like `do-release-upgrade` is it possible to upgrade to 14.04 and not 14.10 or 15.04?
[21:30] <k1l_> mikehaas763: from what release?
[21:31] <mikehaas763> 13.10
[21:31] <k1l_> mikehaas763: there is the LTS upgrade path, which is LTS->LTS. like 12.04 -> 14.04
[21:32] <dersand> Anyone have some familiarity with git?
[21:32] <reisio> higher percentage in #git
[21:32] <mikehaas763> I'm not sure how to control the upgrade path without the ui... I'm on a server over ssh
[21:33] <mikehaas763> plus I'm already *not on an LTS release
[21:33] <k1l_> mikehaas763: from 13.10 you can directly upgrade to 14.04. from 14.04 you can go every upgrade (14.04->14.10->15.04) or the LTS path from 14.04 to 16.04 (when its released)
[21:33] <darsie> dersand: I guess the ppl in #git .
[21:33] <Donrosaduck> ok ty wilee from the begining i think i got some problem with the HD. that could explain why its slow
[21:33] <mikehaas763> k1l_: so running `do-release-upgrade` will only bump me to the next version?
[21:33] <wileee> Donrosaduck, I would boot a live ubuntu and run a smart test for that.
[21:33] <k1l_> mikehaas763: to 14.04 in your case.
[21:34] <k1l_> mikehaas763: you have no choice than to upgrade to 14.04 (which is over due a long time already)
[21:34] <k1l_> mikehaas763: from that you can set the release-propmt to make upgrade to the short-path or the LTS-path like explained above
[21:34] <mikehaas763> k1l_: I know it's EOL. Idk how I missed it I thought I upgraded it about a year ago.
[21:35] <darsie> Can you please switch to the selected keymap when it's selected in the installer. I had to type my name and passwords with querty instead of dvorak.
[21:35] <bindi> how long should 'sync' command take?
[21:35] <wileee> Donrosaduck, Has a built in in disks a gui in a dropdown, some would say a terminal run version is more accurate in the end,  the gui is a good start I think.
[21:35] <mikehaas763> is do-release-upgrade interactive? That's why I'm asking I didn't want to run it and have it just start doing the upgrade to 15.04 or something
[21:35] <TJ-> dersand: What do you want to know about git?
[21:35] <k1l_> mikehaas763: it will never go to 15.04 from your point
[21:35] <alexus> teward any ideas?
[21:36] <k1l_> mikehaas763: its either "next release in line" (like explained), "next LTS" or "nothing".
[21:36] <mikehaas763> So it will go to the next or if you're on the LTS path it will only do LTS versions. I'm assuming that's configuration somewhere?
[21:36] <k1l_> mikehaas763: its not interactive. but you set the path in the release-prompt
[21:36] <dersand> tj- the only python project i want to save is one i did a local commit on. But if it is inside the pythonprojects folder, it doesn't matter
[21:36] <dersand> TJ-: i never pushed it to github or anything.
[21:36] <k1l_> mikehaas763: you cant set to to upgrade to a specific number. just the path
[21:37] <k1l_> mikehaas763: /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[21:37] <TJ-> dersand: ahhh, i see. You've still not found the files? It's a git repo though?
[21:37] <bigmyx>  trying to resize the mounted ext4 partition, I have disk of 100G, my / partition (on /dev/sda1) is 15G (at the beginning of the disk), when I run resize2fs, I get: "The filesystem is already 3931904 blocks long.  Nothing to do!"
[21:38] <dersand> tj- yeah... i'm not sure what to do.
[21:38] <dersand> TJ-: yeah the one with git init; git add *; git commit -m ""
[21:39] <wileee> bigmyx, has to be unmounted
[21:39] <TJ-> dersand: how about "sudo find /media/ubuntu/6C9A5B919A5B56A4/ -name '.git' " ?
[21:39] <mikehaas763> Ok awesome that file explained the behavior well
[21:39] <TJ-> bigmyx: wileee: if the ext* file-system is being extended it can be done online; no unmounting required
[21:39] <k1l_> mikehaas763: from 13.10 you can only go to 14.04 with the normal prompt. all other paths are not available in that situation
[21:40] <dersand> TJ-: i tried it. But i did the git init where all of my files were, so it's still in that pycharmprojects with the weird permissions.
[21:40] <TJ-> bigmyx: I'd suspect the reason is you've edited the partition table on-disk but *not* informed the kernel of the change
[21:40] <wileee> TJ-, Cool, not familiar with that path.
[21:40] <dersand> i sent an ticket to pycharm. Hopefully they can help me
[21:41] <Donrosaduck> wilee ok i just have to know what is a gui dropdown but dw google is my friends ^^
[21:41] <bigmyx> TJ-: seems like I have not extended the partition it self ...
[21:41] <bigmyx> can I do it with parted ?
[21:41] <TJ-> bigmyx: compare "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdX" with "grep sdX /proc/partitions" - if they are different do "sudo partprobe  /dev/sdX" then you can do "sudo resize2fs /dev/sdXY"
[21:42] <wileee> Donrosaduck, gui is guided usr interface, nice buttons, etc no terminal, drop down is you push a button and it gives you a choice in a list. So on the live ubuntu is an application called disks, in it's top right corner is a smart disk checker.
[21:42] <TJ-> wileee: I use LVM LVs and extend them as an when required so I do online resizes frequently - it is extremely useful
[21:43] <wileee> TJ-, I missed the LVM part, I have not messed with 'it' seems like something to learn, thanks.
[21:43] <TJ-> wileee: it works without LVM, but because I use LVM I keep LVs as small as possible and lvextend && resize2fs as needed
[21:44] <TJ-> wileee: bigmyx I think is using raw partitions; resize2fs works the same way as long as the kernel knows the new partition size (via /proc/partitions)
[21:45] <LoRez> TJ-: so, oddities abound here.  a fresh install with 3.13.0-65 works fine with both of our serial devices, but a precise box upgraded to trusty does not.  A symptom is that -65 doesn't know where to install keyspan firmware from suddenly...
[21:45] <wileee> TJ-, LVM, seems really useful, we see it here often. Ah raw, I have avoided that area as well,
[21:45] <bigmyx> wileee: yes, I am using the raw partition, I missed the part of resizing the partition it self
[21:46] <wileee> bigmyx, Cool, glad we were helped, my two things I try to avoid are bad help, and dragging it along by not knowing.
[21:47] <wileee> I fail daily, heh
[21:49] <oddRaven> wileee, you can't avoid something you don't know
[21:49] <dersand> i'm heading out.  Thank you so much for helping me tj-, will probably never forget it
[21:50] <darsie> ok, my computer works even worse with ubuntu, comparde to debian.
[21:50] <darsie> compared*
[21:50] <oddRaven> that seems about right
[21:51] <MonkeyDust> darsie  that's unfortunate, feel free to go back to debian
[21:52] <alexus> "ufw status verbose" reports "Default: deny (incoming), allow (outgoing), deny (routed)", yet I'm able to make incoming connection without any issue, any ideas why?
[21:52] <edgy> Hi, I removed libapache2-mod-php5 but for some reason it got installed with any php5 updates
[21:52] <darsie> MonkeyDust: Looks like I need a new computer.
[21:53] <TJ-> alexus: is ufw's rules actually loaded? "sudo iptables -vnL" ?
[21:53] <edgy> how can I stop it from being installed
[21:54] <alexus> TJ- status says active
[21:55] <TJ-> alexus: *but* does uptables show the policies set on the tables match what ufw claims?
[21:55] <TJ-> s/uptables/iptables/
[21:55] <alexus> I just ran your command and I'm seeing my rules
[21:56] <daftykins> edgy: why worry? just have it disabled in your apache
[21:56] <edgy> daftykins: I do but it got reenable automatically every time
[21:57] <edgy> daftykins: php5 depends on this package so it got installed and enabled!
[21:57] <TJ-> alexus: what are the default policies set on each table? if UFW claims "deny (incoming)" I'd expect to see "Chain INPUT (policy DENY ..."
[21:57] <daftykins> edgy: hmm, the module is never pulled in on my servers - could be you selected to install a meta package instead of the specific ones you want, check the policy of everything you get from "dpkg -l | grep php" perhaps
[21:58] <edgy> daftykins: I don't even see the reason why php5 depends on apache
[21:58] <daftykins> it doesn't either afaiui :)
[21:58] <alexus> TJ- would that be ok for me to put it to pastebin and /msg url to you?
[21:59] <TJ-> edgy: this may help: "apt-cache rdepends libapache2-mod-php5"
[21:59] <edgy> daftykins: apt-cache show php5 |grep libapache2-mod-php5 shows it
[21:59] <TJ-> alexus: pastebin it and post the URL in the channel; everyone is available to help
[21:59] <daftykins> edgy: oh here we go - php5 : Depends: libapache2-mod-php5, so i guess you shouldn't use the meta package 'php5' :)
[21:59] <alexus> http://pastebin.com/x05jM0tz
[22:02] <TJ-> alexus: well that explains it. UFW doesn't actually DENY or DROP the packages outright, it passed them through several other custom tables first. Which ports/protocols are you testing with?
[22:02] <edgy> daftykins: but php5 depends on  libapache2-mod-php5 (>= 5.5.9+dfsg-1ubuntu4.13) | libapache2-mod-php5filter (>= 5.5.9+dfsg-1ubuntu4.13) | php5-cgi (>= 5.5.9+dfsg-1ubuntu4.13) | php5-fpm (>= 5.5.9+dfsg-1ubuntu4.13) and I already have php5-cgi installed. Isn't "|" means OR?
[22:02] <edgy> daftykins: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty-updates/php5
[22:03] <daftykins> i don't think so, i'd take it to mean all of them
[22:03] <alexus> TJ- I'm testing it with ssh (22/tcp)
[22:03] <daftykins> edgy: just show a pastebin of "dpkg -l | grep php" like i said and we'll see ;)
[22:04] <TJ-> alexus: and you have several rules enabling TCP port 22 in the "ufw-user-input" table
[22:04] <edgy> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627436/
[22:05] <daftykins> edgy: mmhmm, so get rid of the meta-package 'php5', remove the module once again and it shouldn't come back in
[22:05] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: Hey I'm back. Out of class
[22:06] <alexus> TJ- this is all default, I added specific network range for port 22/tcp and couple of others
[22:06] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: it's vmnewbie
[22:07] <edgy> daftykins: ok, done would check when there is another update one day. Thanks
[22:08] <alexus> um, sorry I gotta leave now... unless you think you have a quick answer)
[22:08] <alexus> i'll log back in later when I get home
[22:09] <alexus> thank you TJ- and anyone else who participate)
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Hey do you remember yesterday when you helped me get my computer's wifi back online?
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> erm...back
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> not back online...lol
[22:12] <daftykins> and me!
[22:12] <daftykins> ;)
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: Yes!
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> Sorry I couldn't remember your name
[22:12] <daftykins> np
[22:12] <daftykins> so you have some boot related query today?
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: so I ran the upgrade....and restarted my computer hours later...and now I can't log into my computer
[22:12] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: yeah
[22:13] <daftykins> ok what happens specifically?
[22:13] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: when I get to the login screen, default background is showing and there is no taskbar
[22:13] <amazoniantoad> and when I log in, black screen with squares of background color scattered across
[22:13] <amazoniantoad> with a error window
[22:13] <amazoniantoad> and it exits out too quickly for me to read
[22:13] <amazoniantoad> and goes back to the login screen
[22:14] <amazoniantoad> Tried nomodeset and booting to the old kernel
[22:14] <amazoniantoad> problem percists
[22:14] <daftykins> ok, so i take it it doesn't show enough controls to pick the guest session to test?
[22:14] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: it does, actually
[22:14] <amazoniantoad> same result though
[22:14] <daftykins> ah ok, that confirms it's system wide
[22:14] <daftykins> were we dealing with a laptop and 15.04? i slept since then :)
[22:15] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: I believe so.
[22:15] <amazoniantoad> If that's the newest version
[22:15] <daftykins> are you on another device right now or?
[22:15] <amazoniantoad> yes
[22:15] <daftykins> ok, i'd probably boot a live session as task #1
[22:15] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: using a usb?
[22:16] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: I am back here. Are you now booted to terminal ?
[22:16] <daftykins> yep
[22:16] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: no. daftykins Bashing-om suggested booting to terminal
[22:16] <daftykins> sure, wouldn't hurt to try that first
[22:16] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: how do I accomplish that?
[22:17] <daftykins> well when the login screen is up, you could just switch to TTY1 with Ctrl+Alt+F1
[22:17] <amazoniantoad> okay
[22:17] <amazoniantoad> un momento por favor
[22:17] <daftykins> i'll hand it back over to Bashing-om for what he'd like you to try though
[22:17] <amazoniantoad> k
[22:17] <daftykins> as i think i already got enough info to think it's more serious than what i would've done at TTY1
[22:18] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: at terminal now
[22:18] <amazoniantoad> logged in
[22:20] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: What release are we working with - as it do make a huge difference . ' cat /etc/issue ' .
[22:20] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: 15.04
[22:20] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: Wait no
[22:20] <amazoniantoad> It's 14.04.3 LTS
[22:23] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: K, Let's insure that "you" have access to your home . do 'ls -al /home' . who owms and is grouped to your usrename's home directory here ? as in " drwxr-xr-x 29 sysop sysop  4096 Sep 30 17:14 sysop " where I am sysop .
[22:24] <amazoniantoad> drwxr-xr-x 59 jr jr (that's me) 4096
[22:24] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: drwxr-xr-x 59 jr jr (that's me) 4096
[22:25] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: drwxr-xr-x 59 jr jr (that's me) 4096 Sep 30 14:51 jr
[22:25] <amazoniantoad> actually
[22:26] <Jake> Hey there, I have ubuntu installed on my laptop and I installed a new battery a couple weeks ago. The system says the battery is full but it is only at 4209mAH of 5200mAH according to tlp, is there a way to adjust where the system thinks the battery is full?
[22:27] <daftykins> Jake: is it a Lenovo?
[22:27] <Jake> daftykins: nope, packard bell
[22:27] <daftykins> ok nm
[22:27] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: Good, next level dowm ' ls -al /home/jr/ ' Of interest is the .ICEauthority and .Xauthority files . That jr owns and is the group .
[22:27] <Jake> daftykins: I would use the tlp functions for it, but that is only for thinkpads :P
[22:28] <daftykins> Jake: no, what i was getting as is some Lenovos have a 'charge only to x%' BIOS function
[22:29] <Jake> this laptop has no battery settings in the BIOS, I did check that unfortnately
[22:29] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: -rw-------- 1 jr jr 100670 Sep 30 14:51 .ICEauthority && -rw------- 1 jr jr 53 Sep 30 14:51 .Xauthority
[22:29] <daftykins> Jake: yeah that's why i said nevermind :D
[22:29] <TJ-> Jake: the reported mAh comes via the battery interface; it may be the battery's charge_full is less than its charge_full_design
[22:29] <daftykins> Bashing-om: btw amazoniantoad mentioned the guest session is affected also, so i suspect it's more serious :(
[22:30] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: Great. that issue is behind us, IJ, now what is thge Desktop Environment that we want to start ? As in unity or ?
[22:30] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: unity
[22:31] <Bashing-om> daftykins: amazoniantoad Yeah, suspect that too .. like a graphics driver .
[22:31] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: what can I read to be as knowledgable as you with linux?
[22:31] <TJ-> I'd suggest checking the various Xorg.0.log* files
[22:31] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: about 5 years of IRC support :)
[22:32] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Darn.
[22:32] <amazoniantoad> I have a linux handbook...maybe I should pick up again
[22:33] <daftykins> amazoniantoad: i don't think there's really a shortcut resource, at least i've never looked for one - i'm mostly self taught and had to use it at Uni :)
[22:33] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: the best way to learn is poke about in a working system, one sub-system at a time, until you know what a working good system looks like, and then break it and try to fix it. Virtual Machines are great for that
[22:33] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: so am I...but I'm feeling like a noob here...couldn't resolve my wifi issue on my own and now this
[22:34] <daftykins> well, i pick up a lot from being in here
[22:34] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: I normally just use my vm's to test software/break other people's software
[22:34] <daftykins> amazoniantoad: it might amuse you to know i don't even use ubuntu on the desktop 8D
[22:34] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: haha
[22:34]  * amazoniantoad is indeed amused
[22:34] <daftykins> (but shh don't tell anyone)
[22:34] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: and the key to good diagnosis is to know which log files to look at, and what to expect to see in them on a  good system so you can instantly spot anomalies.
[22:35] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: I have much to learn then
[22:35] <daftykins> so do we all :)
[22:35] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: Are you concerned the ressurrextion will occur before you learn linux ? - In any event let's prepare to read the logs . do ' sudo service lightdm start ' . any joy ? any errors back to the terminal ?
[22:35] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I pick up most of my knowledge from reading log files, reading man-pages, the config files under /etc/ and the source-code of various tools
[22:36] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: Job is already running
[22:36] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: I have a feverish thirst for info
[22:36] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Ah
[22:39] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: Well, then we looking at an X thing .. let's see what the logs do say ' cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit ; cat ~/.Xsession-errors | pastebinit ' .
[22:39] <Mamba_2> Sup
[22:41] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: it says socket error and that /home/jr/.Xsession-errors: No such file or directory
[22:42] <amazoniantoad> oh
[22:42] <amazoniantoad> capital x
[22:42] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: Forget about the file not existing, just no internet
[22:42] <amazoniantoad> Connected ethernet cable, no internet.
[22:43] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: let's get simple to start with: do you get anything returned by "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log" ?
[22:43] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: yes
[22:44] <EriC^^> amazoniantoad: try ping 8.8.8.8
[22:44] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: want me to type it all out
[22:44] <amazoniantoad> ?
[22:44] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: Right, so there are problems. So we do need to see that log. Does that system use network manager to get the network usually?
[22:44] <amazoniantoad> EriC^^: network unreachable
[22:44] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: yes
[22:44] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: Humm ,,, odd .. what returms ' ls -al /home/jr/.xsession-errors ' that file "should" exist .
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: it does exist. it was a typo
[22:45] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: type "nmcli con"
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: bunch of my old wifi networks
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> Haha
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> Seeing some old ones I used to have
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> omg
[22:45] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: identify the correct ID for the connection you want, and then do "nmcli con up id "<name-of-connection>"
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> sooo immature
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> FBI Surveillance Van 2 is what I need
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> ah
[22:45] <amazoniantoad> okay
[22:45] <kyjus25> XD
[22:46] <TJ-> use the double quotes to surround the name if it has spaces in
[22:46] <amazoniantoad> I have 4 wifi access points in my home, all with different van #'s
[22:46] <daftykins> that seems poorly designed
[22:46] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: that should give you the network then pastebinit will work
[22:46] <daftykins> matching SSID but separating by channel would allow roaming :>
[22:46] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: No suitable device found
[22:47] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: then you chose the wrong one, or the hardware is broke :)
[22:47] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: hold on
[22:47] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: you said you plugged in an Ethernet cable. That should cause NM to report a "Wired Connection X"
[22:47] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: if you see such an connection, try using that
[22:47] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: ah
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: it can't be broken...
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> D:
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> Omg
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> the worst possible time
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> omg
[22:48] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: please, don't use Enter as punctuation!
[22:48] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Sorry.
[22:49] <daftykins> to be honest your install has been behaving so oddly i wouldn't be surprised if there's some hardware failure going on
[22:50] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: Well, so should I boot into a live CD and save my data, then wipe the hard drive?
[22:50] <daftykins> why?
[22:50] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: too many things that are broken?
[22:51] <daftykins> might be the disk that's wonky :) either way i'd need a working network connection to check
[22:51] <daftykins> live session seems like the best approach yeah
[22:51] <kyjus25> So, is Mate pronounced similarly to the name "Mateo", or to the literal term Mate (as in a spouse)?
[22:51] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: let me get a usb put together
[22:53] <Finetunrda_> Alright guys, tty1 to 6 are showing blank screens. We've tried the answer here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/162535/why-does-switching-to-the-tty-give-me-a-blank-screen To no avail. Anyone got an idea?
[22:54] <skynetguy> hello i am having problems booting to 12.04lts it keeps sending me to login tty1
[22:54] <oddRaven> Finetunrda_, did you try the second answer? (it's more recent)
[22:55] <daftykins> skynetguy: kernel update? graphics driver update? one or both could've failed
[22:55] <EriC^^> skynetguy: ok, login to tty1 and type cat /proc/cmdline
[22:55] <Elsah> oddRaven: but he has an AMD card
[22:55] <daftykins> Finetunrda_: smells like fglrx
[22:55] <Elsah> from 2012 or something
[22:55] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: Alright I'm in a live session
[22:56] <Elsah> (assuming Finetunrda_ explained the situation a bit here. oy
[22:56] <daftykins> amazoniantoad: get it online and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install smartmontools pastebinit" then "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda | pastebinit" and link here
[22:56] <Elsah> It's my friend who can't see anything when doing ctrl+alt+f1 etc. He's using Kubuntu 15.04.
[22:56] <skynetguy> EriC^^, so login would be tty1 and password: cat /proc/cmdline
[22:56] <skynetguy> EriC^^, ???
[22:57] <EriC^^> skynetguy: no, login as usual
[22:57] <daftykins> Elsah: we don't really need two on the same issue :)
[22:57] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i tried login and name which is my  fullname and then password that didnt work
[22:58] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627851/
[22:58] <daftykins> ah SSD.
[22:58] <EriC^^> skynetguy: ok, press ctrl+alt+del to reboot the pc, hold shift to get grub, then go to advanced > recovery
[22:58] <daftykins> amazoniantoad: check it's on the latest firmware
[22:58] <Elsah> daftykins: Well yeah, apologies, I just know why I disregarded the second answer on that page with the actual person who has the issue :)
[22:59] <daftykins> Elsah: :) i could tell it was AMD right off.
[22:59] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i dual boot so i automatically go to grub after advance recovery then what
[22:59] <Elsah> daftykins: Ah...
[22:59] <daftykins> their drivers often prevent TTYs being available
[22:59] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: how?
[22:59] <daftykins> amazoniantoad: well what system type is this again? like brand
[22:59] <EriC^^> skynetguy: press enable networking, then drop to root shell, and come on irc
[23:00] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: Sony vaio duo 11
[23:00] <skynetguy> EriC^^, ok brb
[23:00] <EriC^^> skynetguy: or, don't press enable networking, type
[23:00] <EriC^^> wai
[23:00] <EriC^^> *wait
[23:00] <EriC^^> type mount -o remount,rw /
[23:00] <EriC^^> then passwd <your username>
[23:01] <EriC^^> and reset your password and login to the tty when you reboot
[23:01] <skynetguy> so dont enable networking
[23:01] <daftykins> amazoniantoad: hmm ok nevermind, i've gotta do something about food now so i'll have to leave you to it. assuming you've not done much with that install you could just give in and reinstall, up to you
[23:01] <EriC^^> skynetguy: no
[23:02] <amazoniantoad> daftykins: I've done lots D:
[23:02] <EriC^^> skynetguy: mount -o remount,rw /
[23:02] <skynetguy> EriC^^, after i type all that i type password first
[23:02] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: I'm crawling back to you. I'm in a live session now
[23:02] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: so now we can at least gather info more quickly
[23:02] <skynetguy> EriC^^, my login is my fullname
[23:02] <EriC^^> skynetguy: after mount, type passwd <your user>
[23:03] <skynetguy> EriC^^, ok
[23:03] <daftykins> Bashing-om - amazoniantoad - perhaps fsck time for fun :)
[23:03] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "pastebinit <( sudo lsblk -f )"
[23:03] <skynetguy> EriC^^, so i reset my password and login to what
[23:03] <skynetguy> EriC^^, what is tty
[23:04] <EriC^^> skynetguy: the black screen with login that you're getting when you boot the pc
[23:04] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627881/
[23:04] <EriC^^> skynetguy: you said it keeps sending you to login tty1
[23:04] <skynetguy> EriC^^, yeah
[23:04] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: so your installed system uses an encrypted root?
[23:04] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: yes
[23:04] <skynetguy> EriC^^, so what do i set my login to???
[23:04] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Want me to mount it?
[23:05] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: OK. Glad we know! "sudo mkdir /target"
[23:05] <skynetguy> EriC^^, and password
[23:05] <daftykins> ugh encryption :P
[23:05] <EriC^^> skynetguy: your login is your username ..
[23:05] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: okay
[23:05] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda5 crypt_sda5"
[23:05] <skynetguy> EriC^^, yeah
[23:05] <EriC^^> skynetguy: when you open a terminal what did you used to get? login@host...
[23:05] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: mounted
[23:06] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "sudo mount /dev/mapper/crypt_sda5 /target"
[23:06] <skynetguy> EriC^^, you mean how did i get into here now
[23:06] <amazoniantoad> Or...not mounted
[23:06] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "pastebinit /mnt/target/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[23:06] <EriC^^> skynetguy: no i mean when you used to login to your desktop
[23:06] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i am on 32bit pae
[23:06] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: typo!  "pastebinit /target/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[23:07] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i was always on automatic login
[23:07] <EriC^^> skynetguy: ok, and you never opened a terminal?
[23:07] <skynetguy> EriC^^, no
[23:07] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: unkown filesystem LVM2_member then from your second command unable to read from target
[23:07] <Bashing-om> amazoniantoad: A WIFI issue I am at a loss .
[23:08] <EriC^^> skynetguy: ok, type cat /etc/passwd after the mount command and you should see your username there at the last couple names
[23:08] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: ahhh ok. "sudo vgchange -ay" then "ls /dev/mapper/" and check the volume group and LVs are listed
[23:08] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: it's okay. TJ- is swooping in.
[23:08] <amazoniantoad> Bashing-om: Thanks though
[23:08] <EriC^^> skynetguy: it most likely has an :x:1000 after it and your home dir will be listed at the end
[23:09] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: if you see the VG/LVs show us "pastebinit <( sudo  lsblk -f )"
[23:09] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: https://paste.ubuntu.com/12627897/
[23:10] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "sudo mount /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root /target"
[23:10] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "pastebinit /target/var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[23:10] <skynetguy> EriC^^,  ok so i enter advanced recovery ...then i type mount -o remount , rw /....then i type cat /etc/passwd
[23:11] <amazoniantoad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627899
[23:11] <EriC^^> skynetguy: yeah, no spaces though
[23:11] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627899
[23:12] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: strange; I see no errors there. "pastebinit <( ls -latr /target/var/log/ )"
[23:12] <skynetguy> EriC^^,  then what
[23:13] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627906/
[23:13] <EriC^^> skynetguy: you change the password with password <whatever you got from cat /etc/passwd>
[23:13] <EriC^^> *passwd <whatever you got.. >
[23:13] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: lets check "pastebinit /target/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old"
[23:13] <skynetguy> EriC^^, whats the whole of doing this ....if my kernel and graphic update failed
[23:14] <skynetguy> EriC^^, point
[23:14] <EriC^^> skynetguy: after you can login to the tty1, use irssi to get on irc to get help
[23:14] <EriC^^> skynetguy: to fix it, duh
[23:14] <skynetguy> EriC^^, okkkk
[23:14] <skynetguy> EriC^^,  what will cat /etc/passwd show me
[23:15] <skynetguy> EriC^^,  my current password
[23:15] <EriC^^> skynetguy: scroll up
[23:15] <amazoniantoad> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627915/
[23:15] <EriC^^> no, your username
[23:16] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: OK, no issues there either. The system has a single Intel GPU so no nvidia-prime Optimus issues
[23:16] <skynetguy> EriC^^, bear with me i dont know much about root commands
[23:16] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i just know basic stuff
[23:17] <EriC^^> np
[23:17] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: before the network issue stopped you working from the installed system, what was the actual problem you were trying to fix? :)
[23:17] <EriC^^> skynetguy: have you ever used irssi before?
[23:17] <skynetguy> EriC^^, no whats that
[23:17] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: No problem.
[23:18] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: I just held down the power button
[23:18] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: errr... so why are we doing this?!
[23:18] <EriC^^> skynetguy: it's an irc client for the terminal
[23:18] <skynetguy> EriC^^,  will eventually login into desktop or will all this be from command line
[23:18] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Because after I did as daftykins instructed and ran an upgrade. I rebooted my computer, now I can't log in
[23:18] <skynetguy> EriC^^, ok i just updated to newer pae kernel
[23:18] <EriC^^> skynetguy: you need to login to tty1 first, and then use irssi to get on here to troubleshoot the problem
[23:19] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: so we do have a problem - not being able to log-in
[23:19] <EriC^^> skynetguy: ok, try booting an older kernel then
[23:19] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: the computer screen goes black with random squares of the background smeared across it. Some kind of error message containing a red symbol pops up and it throws me back into the login window before I can read it
[23:19] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: if I recall correctly if affected the Guest login, too
[23:19] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i this is older kernel
[23:19] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Yes but that wasn't an issue before the network problem.
[23:19] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: yes
[23:19] <skynetguy> EriC^^, i will try newer one that i just installed
[23:19] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: sounds rather like some symptoms of corruption
[23:20] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "pastebinit /target/var/log/kern.log"
[23:20] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: That sounds like as bad as it gets
[23:20] <EriC^^> skynetguy: ok
[23:20] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12627936
[23:21] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: hard power offs (holding power button for 4 seconds +) can cause data on disk to be corrupted if it snatches power as the disk/storage device is writing
[23:21] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: I thought there were fail safes against that though...
[23:21] <amazoniantoad> I guess it isn't fullproof
[23:22] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: ouch "[   20.728958] compiz[2634]: segfault at b0 ip 00007f0179621a0f sp 00007fffa87732b0 error 4 in libnux-graphics-4.0.so.0.6.0[7f01795d5000+cb000]"
[23:24] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: OK, let's get a 'chroot' set up so you reinstall some suspect files
[23:24] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: okay
[23:25] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: How do we do that?
[23:25] <wakeatnight> how do I choose a wineprefix? which one is getting called as "default"?
[23:25] <teward> wakeatnight: the default will be /home/$USER/.wine
[23:26] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "export T="/target"; for FS in proc sys dev dev/pts; do sudo mount --bind /${FS} ${T}/${FS}; done; sudo chroot ${T} mount -a; sudo chroot ${T}"
[23:26] <teward> wakeatnight: you have to set in your ~/.profile the WINEPREFIX variable to make it point to a different location by default
[23:26] <teward> otherwise it'll default to ~/.wine
[23:26] <fxmulder_m> I remember a long time ago I was able to upgrade the version of a package by downloading its source and using some command to update it using the new tar.gz source from the maintainer, anyone know what that command might be?
[23:26] <wakeatnight> ah so running WINEPREFIX=/myprefix wine setup.exe is changing it for one time use?
[23:27] <teward> wakeatnight: correct
[23:27] <wakeatnight> because I didn't export it? otherwise it would be for this session?
[23:27] <wakeatnight> and if I want it permanently I set it like a PATH in .bash_profile?
[23:27] <teward> wakeatnight: no, you *must* edit ~/.profile and put the export for the variable in there to make it apply to your entire user
[23:27] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: This is going over my head, "for FS in proc sys dev dev/pts;
[23:27] <amazoniantoad> "
[23:28] <teward> wakeatnight: you could potentially put it in .bash_profile but IDK if that works
[23:28] <amazoniantoad> Do I put that in terminal or??
[23:28] <wakeatnight> ah ok  thanks teward i'll try
[23:29] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: can you copy/paste the line ?
[23:29] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: The entire thing at once into terminal?
[23:29] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: yes, the entire command between the quote marks " ...  "
[23:29] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I always but the exact commands to issue inside double quotes to make it clear
[23:29] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Ah I thought these were seperate
[23:29] <amazoniantoad> ok
[23:30] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: what we're doing is mounting the kernel file-systems from the live env into the root file-system of the broken system. Then we use 'chroot' to enter the broken system and it looks just like the booted system would until we type 'exit' to return to the host live env
[23:31] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: that allows us to run the commands belonging to the broken system including package updates
[23:31] <amazoniantoad> TJ-:  chroot: failed to run command 'mount': Exec format error && chroot: failed to run command '/bin/bash': Exec format error
[23:31] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: that's incredible
[23:32] <fxmulder_m> or anything that might help my search
[23:32] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: grrr. "pastebinit <( uname -r; arch; sudo chroot /target arch )"
[23:33] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: chroot: failed to run command 'arch' && http://paste.ubuntu.com/12628006/
[23:33] <TJ-> fxmulder_m: source packages sometimes have a debian/watches file that specifies the upstream source repo, and a target in debian/rules to fetch from that
[23:34] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I've a horrible feeling the broken system is 64-bit; your live env is 32-bit. Can't run a 64-bit in a 32-bit
[23:34] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: oh crapscicle...I completely forgot this usb is 32 bit
[23:35] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: the system is 64bit
[23:35] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: "pastebinit <( find /target/lib/ -maxdepth 1 -type d )"
[23:35] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: back to square one :)
[23:35] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: ignore that last pastebinit you answered the question
[23:35] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: well let me download the 64bit iso
[23:35] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: sorry for wasting your time so far
[23:36] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: It happens. I think we might be better off rebooting the broken system and trying to bring the network up
[23:36] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: whatever you want me to do.
[23:36] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: it's worth 10 minutes trying to, before going to another live env
[23:36] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: k
[23:36] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: here's what to do...
[23:37] <fxmulder_m> so when a maintainer wants to update a package with a new version of the source contained in a .tar.gz what do they normally do?
[23:37] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: ... hold down shift at boot-time to get the GRUB boot manager menu,
[23:37] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: already there
[23:37] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: highlight the top "Ubuntu" entry, press 'E' to edit it, navigate to the 'linux ...' line remove "quiet splash" replace with "text", press Ctrl+X
[23:38] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: alright. unlocked the disk and logging in now
[23:39] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I'll go get a coffee :)
[23:39] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: haha all right
[23:39] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: when you're logged in, try "nmcli con" then getting a connection up as before with "nmcli con up id "XXXXXX"  "
[23:41] <fxmulder_m> uupdate was what I was looking for
[23:42] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I'm back
[23:43] <oddRaven> does anyone here actually multi-boot different distros?
[23:43] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: do you mean the UUID or the name?
[23:43] <amazoniantoad> I have tried my UUID's and it says they are unkown connections
[23:43] <fxmulder_m> so it looks like if you download the 14.04.3 iso and install it, the 3.19 kernel is installed, but upgrading my older 14.04 machine using dist-upgrade keeps the kernel version at 3.13?
[23:43] <amazoniantoad> oddRaven: Why in the world would you want to do that?
[23:44] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: the name. if you want to use UUID you'd use "nmcli con up uuid "xxxxx"  "
[23:44] <TJ-> oddRaven: yes
[23:44] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: haha entering the UUID was making me cross-eyed
[23:45] <TJ-> amazoniantoad:  'id' is under the NAME column :)
[23:45] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: my wifi names have spaces in them...I used quotes to surround them and I just get that no suitable device found
[23:45] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: that is probably because the network device has failed.
[23:45] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: ethernet then?
[23:45] <oddRaven> amazoniantoad, I was thinking of running one OS for working and general usage, and use a minimal Debian or Gentoo OS if I need to do a lot of calculations, such as password cracking
[23:45] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: try "iwconfig" does it report any Wifi capable interface names?
[23:46] <TJ-> oddRaven: why can't that be done from the same installation?
[23:46] <amazoniantoad> oddRaven: Oh...
[23:46] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: eth0 and lo say no wireless extensions
[23:46] <oddRaven> I don't know, more performance?
[23:47] <amazoniantoad> oddRaven: If you are so worried about that you might want to look at virtual machines for aggregation
[23:47] <TJ-> oddRaven: I can't think of any difference there'd be. You can start without a GUI if that is what you are concerned about
[23:47] <oddRaven> why do you multiboot, TJ- ?
[23:47] <TJ-> oddRaven: testing
[23:47] <oddRaven> then why aren't you using VMs?
[23:48] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: OK, so there was no wlan* device
[23:48] <TJ-> oddRaven: you can't test against bare hardware in a VM
[23:48] <wakeatnight> i am on a 64bit machine 15.04 running fglrx. a game is complaining that i don't have 32bit opengl installed. how is that so and how do i fix that? thank you.
[23:49] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: wait one whilst I read the old kern.log you pastebinned so I can know what wifi device you have
[23:49] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: okay
[23:50] <space> hey
[23:52] <space> quit
[23:52] <space> export: 1
[23:52] <space> clear
[23:52] <space> back
[23:54] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: not good; in the latest kernel boot logged there is *no* wifi device chipset recognised at all.
[23:54] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I wish we'd done an 'lspci -nn' whilst in the live env now
[23:54] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: Well...I can still boot back into it
[23:55] <daftykins> it was the intel 6250
[23:55] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: can you do "lspci -nn" and see if you can see a wifi network device, and if so, tell me the values in the [ ...: ...] brackets at the end of the line
[23:56] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: k hold on
[23:56] <TJ-> daftykins: thanks. I see lots of 8086:XXXX devices in the kern.log but so far none of the product IDs I have checked are network
[23:56] <daftykins> hmm
[23:58] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: OK, I found it: v00008086d0000088E
[23:58] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: i was about to give you the pastebin link
[23:58] <amazoniantoad> lol
[23:58] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: that is 8086:088E
[23:59] <TJ-> amazoniantoad: I had to do this to find it: "egrep -ni '8086.*(0154|0166|1e31|1e3a|1e2d|1e20|1e10|1e12|1e16|1e26|1e59|1e03|088e)' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/*"
[23:59] <amazoniantoad> ew
[23:59] <amazoniantoad> TJ-: one second. someone is at my door