| hay207 | keithzg | 00:00 |
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| keithzg | Sorry, I probably have to run in a minute or two, but relevant questions for anyone else trying to help you: | 00:05 |
| keithzg | (1) What release of Kubuntu are you using? | 00:05 |
| hay207 | ok thanks for trying to help | 00:06 |
| hay207 | 14.04 lts | 00:06 |
| keithzg | (2) What do your log files say? Ex. you might want to run "cat /var/log/syslog > pastebinit" and share that URL here (or take a look through yourself), see if there's any errors or other such messages related to that device when you plug it in. | 00:07 |
| keithzg | When you plug the device in, there should be some lines saying stuff about the system detecting a new USB device, and then what it thinks it is and what it tries to do with it. That might be a good place to start investigating/googling/etc. | 00:08 |
| keithzg | Could try searching for the device as listed by lsusb too, and see if others out there have had similar issues. | 00:08 |
| keithzg | Best of luck, hay207! | 00:09 |
| hay207 | ok | 00:09 |
| hay207 | i noticed it is detected as mass storage mode | 00:09 |
| hay207 | how to change that? | 00:10 |
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| jacwib | Im trying to rezise a partition so i can install kubuntu on a computer but it fails when i try to rezise it (filesystem fkd up) and i cant access windows to do a chkdisk, does the check thing in KDE Partition Manager work aswell? | 05:33 |
| CoffeeJ | should work jacwib | 05:41 |
| jacwib | k then, lets try it | 05:41 |
| jacwib | doesnt really matter if th- ok theres an error | 05:41 |
| jacwib | gave me the same error. dafaq? | 05:42 |
| CoffeeJ | what program u used to resize it ? | 05:42 |
| jacwib | well i used kde partition manager, which uses ntfsresize | 05:42 |
| CoffeeJ | and it reused to do it or did it not finish ? | 05:43 |
| CoffeeJ | +f | 05:43 |
| jacwib | it tried to do something but refused to because theres an error on the drive | 05:43 |
| jacwib | so it wont fix the drive cuz its broken | 05:43 |
| jacwib | k | 05:43 |
| CoffeeJ | try fsck.ntfs on the command line | 05:44 |
| CoffeeJ | if its ntfs | 05:44 |
| jacwib | yea it is | 05:44 |
| jacwib | wait thats not a package. damn | 05:45 |
| jacwib | cant find it in the repositories either | 05:45 |
| CoffeeJ | the package was let me check sumthing with ntfs an ng | 05:45 |
| jacwib | maybe its fsck.msdos? | 05:46 |
| jacwib | or fsck.nfs??? | 05:46 |
| CoffeeJ | try fsck without an trailing should select the riht on if its installed | 05:46 |
| CoffeeJ | package is "ntfs-3g" | 05:48 |
| jacwib | yeah its already there, im trying fsck /dev/sda2 | 05:48 |
| jacwib | well darn it doesnt have fsck.ntfs so it cant do it | 05:49 |
| jacwib | great | 05:49 |
| CoffeeJ | i m searing the package i used it before on debian so there has to be one | 05:54 |
| jacwib | turns out its a symlink to something else | 05:55 |
| jacwib | a symlink to ntfsfix to be exact | 05:55 |
| jacwib | so im just running that instead | 05:56 |
| jacwib | well that was fast | 05:56 |
| CoffeeJ | does it fix the resize problem ? | 05:57 |
| jacwib | only one way to find out | 05:57 |
| lordievader | jacwib: Do you have a backup? | 05:58 |
| jacwib | nope it didnt work, lordievader no since this is a school laptop im | 05:58 |
| jacwib | ALLOWED to install linux on for testing (possibly converting school) | 05:59 |
| jacwib | but i need to do a dualboot cuz reasons | 05:59 |
| lordievader | Any imported files on there? If so, you just learned why backups are important. | 05:59 |
| jacwib | well the drive still works | 05:59 |
| jacwib | it just wont resize cus some sector is duplicated | 06:00 |
| lordievader | jacwib: Do you have a Windows installer disc? | 06:00 |
| jacwib | no | 06:01 |
| lordievader | I'd use that to see if it still detects the install and if it does fix the filesystem. | 06:01 |
| jacwib | http://pastebin.com/wkmCaBtH pastebin | 06:01 |
| jacwib | no the system boots, i just cant shrink it | 06:01 |
| jacwib | safemode wont work cuz they set passwords on it somehow | 06:01 |
| lordievader | "i cant access windows to do a chkdisk" so you can run chkdisk? | 06:02 |
| jacwib | i think if i copy cmd to an accessibility program i can get that to run and do a chkdisk from there | 06:02 |
| lordievader | Is the laptop managed by your school? | 06:03 |
| jacwib | idk, but im allowed to do this | 06:03 |
| jacwib | well ok i guess it is | 06:04 |
| CoffeeJ | @ jacwib pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd will reset the password | 06:04 |
| jacwib | k thx, im rebooting then | 06:04 |
| lordievader | Then let their IT team fix it, they have all the passwords they need to fix the filesystem. And if you explain why you need this they might even do the resize for you. | 06:04 |
| CoffeeJ | which is ileagal if its not your pc | 06:04 |
| jacwib | oh | 06:04 |
| jacwib | well the thing is i dont think we have a it team | 06:05 |
| jacwib | well ill figure something out | 06:05 |
| lordievader | Someone put the password on it. | 06:05 |
| jacwib | bai | 06:05 |
| CoffeeJ | last line just for completness dont be afraid the will cheer if u manage to fix the problem | 06:06 |
| svend-ev | Good morning | 06:31 |
| === toscalix__ is now known as toscalix | ||
| themisfit | hello... | 09:45 |
| themisfit | I'm using Kubuntu 15.10 beta 2 | 09:45 |
| themisfit | I'm not able to create anymore new folders with dolphin... can someone help me? thanks | 09:46 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | Kubu15.04 blackscreen after login(no taskbar, no start menu, no wallpaper, dash search not working, cursor working/visible,/have terminal access thanks to yakuake(can run apps) have no idea where to start troubleshooting, any help appreciated. Was updated 2 days ago, everything worked so far, hanged about hour ago, problem still persists. Can provide screenshots. | 11:28 |
| soee_ | Haali_Kubuntu_15: if you start: plasmashell | 11:32 |
| soee_ | form command line will it load or throw some errors ? | 11:33 |
| brech | Haali_Kubuntu_15: perhaps you need to delete plasma config | 11:33 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | had to kill it first log is big | 11:33 |
| brech | Haali_Kubuntu_15: you can try to launch startx in root mode | 11:35 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | delete plasma config under ~/.config ? | 11:36 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | btw plasmashell leaves with error 1 says backend is already running. Should I try to kill kwin also and then restart plasmashell or _ ? | 11:37 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | "delete/rename ~/.kde ~/.cache " to clean plashma config, however I have no .kde dir (have KDE) is dot mandatory or wut (btw `/ is /home)? | 11:49 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | * ~/ | 11:49 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | my bad have all those dirs | 11:49 |
| lordievader | ~/ is shorthand for your homedir, yes. The '.' signifies hidden files/directories. | 11:50 |
| lordievader | You can see those with 'ls -a' | 11:50 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | I typed ` small tilde got invalid protocol. O_O | 11:50 |
| lordievader | brech: Running startx as root is a very bad idea. | 11:50 |
| lordievader | Haali_Kubuntu_15: Small tilde? | 11:50 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | ` instead of ~ | 11:51 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | ~ This is til | 11:51 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | de and should be above tab? | 11:51 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | nvm. | 11:51 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | Is it enough to go into terminal mode on login screen to remove .config? | 11:53 |
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| lordievader | Haali_Kubuntu_15: Don't remove rather rename. Or even better make a new account and see if it has the same problem. | 12:02 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | y figuerd as much, however I cannot login in terminal mode at login | 12:02 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | gonna try and make another acc | 12:03 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | use " mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.old " as to rename it? | 12:06 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | renaming .config and .kde didn't do much, managed to revert to .config.old so I can get access to yaku. Gonna try and make another acc | 12:19 |
| TJ- | Haali_Kubuntu_15: is there a $HOME/.dmrc ? | 12:25 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | no ther is not / do have .dbus but that/s about it | 12:27 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | under strictly Home/ there is only my user acc and .directory | 12:28 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | under home/user/ there is no .dmrc | 12:28 |
| TJ- | Haali_Kubuntu_15: OK, it's not that issue then :) | 12:30 |
| Haali_Kubuntu_15 | guess not sD | 12:30 |
| alvin | plasma5 in 15.10 beta. Multi-monitor. Second monitor works. Windows can be moved to it and so on, but the background is black and I can't right click there. Any ideas? | 12:32 |
| TJ- | alvin does the 2nd monitor have the control widget showing top-left ? | 12:33 |
| alvin | TJ-: No. The left monitor has everything. The right is completely blank. | 12:34 |
| alvin | Left one also has that widget. | 12:34 |
| lordievader | alvin: Try restarting plasmashell | 12:34 |
| TJ- | alvin: there may be clues in $HOME/.xsession-errors | 12:34 |
| alvin | lordievader: How do I do that? | 12:35 |
| alvin | TJ-: Good idea. | 12:35 |
| lordievader | Usually that fixes the problem for me (gentoo plasma 5.4) | 12:35 |
| lordievader | alvin: kquitapp plasmashell; kstart plasmashell | 12:35 |
| alvin | Whoa, large file.... | 12:36 |
| alvin | lordievader: Well, now both monitors are the same. Both blank | 12:36 |
| alvin | ok... | 12:37 |
| lordievader | Whoops | 12:37 |
| lordievader | Is plasmashell running? | 12:37 |
| alvin | So, what happens is that plasmashell needs to be started on both monitors, but it's usually only started on one? | 12:37 |
| alvin | lordievader: Apparently so. It shows up in the task list. | 12:37 |
| lordievader | No, starting it once is enough. | 12:37 |
| TJ- | alvin: no, 1 plasmashell per X screen | 12:38 |
| alvin | Is it then not needed to tell it what X screen? | 12:39 |
| alvin | I've restarted sddm. Only left plasmashell is active again. | 12:39 |
| Haali | New user works fine with no issues so far. | 12:41 |
| lordievader | Haali: Right, so the issue likely lies with your profile. Perhaps usefull to rename the .local/share folder. | 12:42 |
| Haali | Dunno, everything went under when I used sudo dolphin to change ownership of a dir. | 12:43 |
| lordievader | Haali: Ahhhh: sudo chown <username>:<username> -R /home/<username> | 12:44 |
| lordievader | Haali: Use kdesudo for graphical applications rather than sudo. | 12:44 |
| Haali | y i was lazy, there were better ways | 12:44 |
| Haali | kdesu | 12:44 |
| Haali | Now I have issue with automount partitions, if I mount them to let's say /mnt they would always be mounted for all users even if current user gets all wonkey?(they are currently mounted under /home/user1/media) | 12:46 |
| alvin | Haali: Give some more details. What filesystems for example. And how you are mounting (fstab? manually?) | 12:49 |
| alvin | /home/user1/media is also mounted for all users, but due to the permissions they might not be able to use the mounts | 12:50 |
| Haali | Ntfs mounted via fstab (dity edit with kate | 12:50 |
| Haali | y | 12:50 |
| Haali | I have to unmount then remount again | 12:50 |
| Haali | may bad for not delving into permissions | 12:51 |
| alvin | lordievader: Your instructions do work. Only, I had to wait a bit after kquitapp plasmashell before starting plasmashell again. BUT! At reboot it's only there on the left screen again. | 12:57 |
| alvin | There are no new plasma releases before 15.10 release I take it? | 12:57 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 13:15 |
| alvin | Found it https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=350707 Sadly, it's unconfirmed, so I don't know if a fix will made it before release. Kubuntu tends to release on time, bugs be damned. | 13:20 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 350707 in general "Black screen when undocking/docking laptop with two external monitors" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 13:20 |
| alvin | especially since the title is misleading. The bug occurs on a normal dual-monitor setup too. | 13:21 |
| TJ- | alvin: It may depend on the GPU; I don't see the bug | 13:24 |
| alvin | It's a haswell Intel GPU. I actually intended to run BSD on this machine, but their code isn't ready. | 13:25 |
| TJ- | alvin: I only get bugs with plasmashell with multiple X screens | 13:26 |
| alvin | Not that this is much better. My logs are overflowing with "[drm: intel_pipe_config_compare [i915]] *ERROR* mismatch in dpll_hw_state.wrpll (expected...." | 13:27 |
| TJ- | alvin: there was a patch for that in June I recall | 13:29 |
| TJ- | alvin: see https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/6/30/303 | 13:31 |
| alvin | TJ-: That's the one. Now the question is... will this make it into the release? | 13:32 |
| alvin | Logs are terrible... There are a lot of Windows 10 machines in this network. Avahi reports a bug (correctly) about 'invalid respone packet' of those machines. But they fill up the log, and I cant convince systemd to disable avahi. | 13:34 |
| TJ- | alvin: you should be able to override the unit | 13:35 |
| alvin | I'm no systemd expert. So, 'disable' is not enough? How do I say 'really disable'? | 13:35 |
| alvin | Hey, I'm even using sudo! ;-) | 13:36 |
| TJ- | it looks like that patch should get into 4.3 via drm-intel-next-fixes | 13:36 |
| TJ- | it's in mainline right now as ee46f3c7d79 | 13:40 |
| alvin | But 4.3 isn't coming to Kubuntu 15.10, right? Maybe that patch | 13:45 |
| alvin | well, this is a beta after all. We'll live | 13:45 |
| BluesKaj | 4.3 what? | 13:46 |
| alvin | Linux 4.3 | 13:46 |
| BluesKaj | oh the kernel | 13:47 |
| alvin | Yes, that Linux :-) | 13:47 |
| BluesKaj | 4.2.012 here on 15.10 beta 2 | 13:47 |
| alvin | BluesKaj: That's the version with the bug. I see it on a Haswell GPU. | 13:49 |
| Haali | user created under terminal with adduser has no permissions to install updates(or run anything as sudo for that matter) | 13:49 |
| Haali | error says user not in sudoer file | 13:49 |
| alvin | Haali: Your used needs to be in the wheel group in order to use sudo. | 13:49 |
| alvin | At least when using the default settings | 13:49 |
| alvin | sudo usermod -a -G wheel thatuser will do it. | 13:50 |
| BluesKaj | alvin: I don't have intel so no idea | 13:52 |
| BluesKaj | fortunately I have the intel audio chip which provides audio on webites/flash without the need for pulseaudio | 13:54 |
| jubo2 | Hi.. | 13:54 |
| jubo2 | And thanks for the great OS | 13:54 |
| jubo2 | I'm having display problems | 13:55 |
| jubo2 | The HDMI display is grey in the system settings and does not work | 13:55 |
| jubo2 | but that was not the primary problem | 13:55 |
| BluesKaj | jubo2: welcome to the display problems club ;-) | 13:55 |
| jubo2 | primary problem is that when detaching from doc ( and sometimes even on the dock ) the bottom 3rd of the display is missing | 13:56 |
| jubo2 | Is it possible to tell the Kubuntu to redetect / reset the display settings somewhere | 13:56 |
| jubo2 | prlly delete some file or something like that | 13:56 |
| BluesKaj | no clue about that | 13:57 |
| jubo2 | ~/.kde is showing following files and directories 'cache-X201-Kubuntu15 data share socket-X201-Kubuntu15 tmp-X201-Kubuntu15' | 14:00 |
| BluesKaj | I'm still using a TV as a monitor with dvi to hdmi connection, no multiple monitors here | 14:01 |
| jubo2 | multiple monitors is the copy-pasters' friend | 14:01 |
| BluesKaj | i use multiple VDs for the same effect | 14:02 |
| jubo2 | what happens if I just move the .kde directory to .kde-old or so and reboot | 14:02 |
| jubo2 | I'm afraid it might leave the system unbootable | 14:02 |
| Haali | it will just create another ,kde | 14:03 |
| jubo2 | but also hope that it will redetect the displays and everything will be just peaches and cream | 14:03 |
| Haali | not gonna lie, don't think it will fix it. | 14:03 |
| Haali | you can try doe xD | 14:03 |
| jubo2 | well.. I can access the Kubuntu15 disk from the Kubuntu14 so I can fix it | 14:03 |
| Haali | meant for error | 14:04 |
| Haali | its prolly on driver side > hardware > kernel side | 14:04 |
| jubo2 | What can I do? | 14:06 |
| alvin | jubo2: play around with xrandr | 14:20 |
| jubo2 | ok.. the additional problem of the external display dropping out was fixed by ticking an "enable" tickbox in the display settings | 14:23 |
| jubo2 | but the thing with bottom 3rd of the internal display missing won't go away. now it works but as soon as I try to undock the machine it shows back | 14:24 |
| jubo2 | Looks like I need to hang in there and wait for 15.10 and install clean | 14:24 |
| Haali | well sudo adduser username sudo && sudo usermod -a -G username , none pass the "not in sudoers" error. | 14:28 |
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| jubo2 | I'd need to travel tomorrow | 14:30 |
| jubo2 | but if I cannot get my internal display to work when the external one is plugged in I definately have a problem | 14:31 |
| jubo2 | Either I take my external display to go, luckily only 22" or I don't have a computer over there | 14:31 |
| jubo2 | the Kubuntu14 on side of this Kubuntu15 still works | 14:32 |
| jubo2 | maybe I can mount the /home partition as /home directory over there? | 14:32 |
| jubo2 | that or grab all relevant subdirs from home dir and move to Kubuntu14 till Kubuntu15.10 is out | 14:33 |
| * jubo2 sips his beer | 14:33 | |
| Haali | 4(adm),24(cdrom),30(dip),46(plugdev),115(lpadmin),130(sambashare) how to add them to current user ?? | 14:47 |
| jubo2 | Haali: I think you are supposed to do the other way.. to add the user to the groups | 14:49 |
| jubo2 | I would have known the answer at some point but I have forgotten due to not using memory | 14:50 |
| Haali | How would I go about that? Have no idea how to list all groups nor which are available in kubu... | 14:50 |
| jubo2 | you can sudo on the system in question? | 14:50 |
| Haali | now I can | 14:50 |
| jubo2 | I suppose the groups would be indicated in the passwd file | 14:50 |
| jubo2 | no. | 14:51 |
| jubo2 | not passwd | 14:51 |
| jubo2 | /etc/sudoers isn't the right place to look either | 14:51 |
| Haali | nope | 14:51 |
| Haali | seen enough of them today for whole 2 lifes | 14:52 |
| Haali | gorups only gets me groups current user is in | 14:52 |
| Haali | *groups | 14:53 |
| Haali | I can see adm and rest from other user but dunno how to make current user part of them... | 14:53 |
| Haali | All groups listed uner /etc/group. | 14:57 |
| Haali | sudo usermod -a -G groupname username/ to add to group | 15:07 |
| Haali | O_o | 15:07 |
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| t3 | Does anybody know the KDE equivalent of gnome-power-manager to view statistical information on battery usage ? | 15:12 |
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| t3 | anybody ? | 15:16 |
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| t3 | thanks for the support. | 15:29 |
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| Bomber_ | heyo | 15:34 |
| Bomber_ | anyone working with openvpn? | 15:34 |
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| jubo2 | when can we expect Kubuntu 15.10 GNU/Linukka to be out ? | 15:47 |
| BluesKaj | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule | 15:48 |
| jubo2 | Kubuntu15 was wonderful as long as it worked ( but I have HW issues so I cannot prlly blame the SW ) | 15:49 |
| jubo2 | 2015-10-22 i c | 15:50 |
| jubo2 | I need new HW | 15:50 |
| jubo2 | I cannot afford new HW | 15:51 |
| jubo2 | I have few needs for new HW | 15:52 |
| BluesKaj | that's why I still have 14.04LTS instaled . It's nice to see changes and edits one makes actually work for a change | 15:53 |
| jubo2 | 16GB RAM, Enough GPU to play Eli Ted Angerous, enough cores and virtualization stuff to run guest OS fast, keyboard dimensions that work with my fingermemory and no swerawording bugs dänksplos | 15:54 |
| jubo2 | and battery that lasts for 5 hrs or more | 15:54 |
| jubo2 | maybe I should debt leverage my skills and acquire credit | 15:55 |
| BluesKaj | 15.10 is still a mess in terms of it's "look' , trying makes changes to kate's colour as root for example results in no change at all | 15:56 |
| jubo2 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Twnmhe948A | 15:56 |
| jubo2 | Scooter - Hyper Hyper | 15:56 |
| jubo2 | Zo 90's | 15:57 |
| BluesKaj | not a fan of that stuff , not my taste at all | 15:58 |
| jubo2 | BluesKaj: I must once again mention that Kubuntu15.4 was the best look-and-feel GNU/Linukka I've ever used | 15:58 |
| jubo2 | *out-of-the-box | 15:58 |
| jubo2 | I mean if you install and tweak stuff for hours you can get better then the default | 15:58 |
| jubo2 | but really from the #1st look it has been very good | 15:59 |
| jubo2 | except ofcourse breaking down and shit but that once again isn't prlly a SW issue | 15:59 |
| BluesKaj | i still prefer 14.04 with kde4 and all it's features that aren't included in plasma5 | 15:59 |
| jubo2 | This Kubuntu keeps on shutting itself down at random and the Windows I needed to pretend to go to uni to study kept on turning itself on when dozing off in my insulated laptop pocket of my backpack | 16:00 |
| jubo2 | I think this kind of behaviour indicates faulty HW | 16:01 |
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| jubo2 | Spoken in soft voice: "And by the way Dave, I have noticed the DXTD5GS unit of the Earth facing transmitter is about to go into malfunction." ~ jubo-jubo on faulty HW | 16:03 |
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| LadyCailin | Hi, I'm having some issues with my keyboard layout icon. It seems that when I close my laptop, it frequently crashes the keyboard layout manager. I have 2 languages installed, and neither the icon in the tray is showing up, nor the keyboard shortcut working. They keyboard shortcut and languages are still registered in the settings, but I have to restart the computer to fix it. It's annoying... | 19:57 |
| LadyCailin | ...to have to do that. Any suggestions? | 19:57 |
| joseph_ | hi everyone | 20:39 |
| joseph_ | When i go a "sudo apt-get update" i have an error "W: Impossible de récupérer http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main/binary-i386/Packages" | 20:43 |
| joseph_ | "404 Not Found" does someone know why i have this error ? | 20:44 |
| BluesKaj | joseph_: comme the this deb with a # in front, kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/dists/vivid/main | 20:52 |
| BluesKaj | comment | 20:53 |
| BluesKaj | joseph_: or remove the line completely from your /etc/apt/sourcers.list | 20:54 |
| joseph_ | BluesKaj : There is not this line in my /etc/apt/sources.list :s | 20:54 |
| joseph_ | bye everyone | 21:10 |
| mparillo | Normally when I insert a USB Thumb Drive, I get a notifer and I can open Dolphin and it is mounted. However after I dd an ISO to the thumb drive, after I insert it nothing happens. Though dd still seems capable of overwriting it. | 22:36 |
| mparillo | Is that normal? | 22:37 |
| bprompt | I'd say not | 22:49 |
| francesco_ | hi | 23:28 |
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