[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00] <caribou> o/
[15:01] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct  1 15:01:01 2015 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:01] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:01] <slangasek> echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx)
[15:01] <slangasek> caribou pitti infinity slangasek sil2100 doko tdaitx robru cyphermox bdmurray barry
[15:01] <caribou> \o/
[15:01] <caribou> Bugfix :
[15:01] <caribou> - Bug #1496317 Wily failed kdump crash
[15:01] <caribou>   Waiting for kernel team review
[15:01] <caribou> - sosreport upstream issues
[15:01] <caribou> Start work on adding autopkgtests to sosreport to comply to new SRU rules
[15:01] <caribou> ☑ Done
[15:02] <pitti> - snappy sprint
[15:02] <pitti> - some autopkgtest/britney bug fixing and infra maintenance, and -proposed cleanup
[15:02] <pitti> END
[15:02] <pitti> FTR, can't join mumble today
[15:02] <slangasek> pitti: ack
[15:04] <slangasek> infinity's not on the channel, it seems
[15:04] <slangasek>  * short week, on vacation last week; hope you all had a good week!
[15:04] <slangasek>  * forward progress on s390 recruiting
[15:04] <slangasek>  * discussions around improvements to proposed-migration + ci-train
[15:04] <slangasek>  * discussions around scalingstack power/arm bring-up
[15:04] <slangasek>  * NEW review for dpdk
[15:04] <slangasek>  * FFe discussions
[15:04] <slangasek>  * will be looking at getting the first system-image import done of arm64
[15:05] <slangasek> (done)
[15:05] <sil2100> o/
[15:05] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:05] <sil2100> - Help with unblocking the new dual platform-api silo blocked on location-service
[15:05] <sil2100> - Ubuntu-PD:
[15:05] <sil2100>   * From last week: preparing the cdimage changes for the ubuntu-pd project
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Fixing ubuntu-pd images on system-image, adding the missing touch-hacks
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Creating the infrastructure for ubuntu-pd custom tarballs, building first tarballs
[15:05] <sil2100> - RTM Status meetings
[15:05] <sil2100> - Discussion regarding enabling autopkgtests in CI Train builds
[15:05] <sil2100> - Modifying langpack-o-matic scripts to make auto-uploads of overlay translations (thanks pitti!)
[15:05] <sil2100> - Releasing the livecd-rootfs change to remove apt lists completely from touch images
[15:05] <sil2100> - Looking into the squid3 FTBFS and the new libecap3 problems in -proposed
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Reviewed proposed patches
[15:05] <sil2100> - Fix livecd-rootfs to properly remove apt lists
[15:05] <sil2100> - Work on the touch/pd seeds (additions and removals)
[15:06] <sil2100> - Looking into switching train to land to wily overlay
[15:06] <sil2100> - Discussions regarding the upstart-watchdog and it leading to bootloops
[15:06] <sil2100> (done)
[15:07] <slangasek> doko:
[15:07] <slangasek> tdaitx:
[15:07] <tdaitx> Short week: Sick Monday®
[15:07] <tdaitx> Current/Past
[15:07] <tdaitx> - US Visa (form filling, booking flight, scheduling biometrics+interview, expense reports, ...)
[15:07] <tdaitx> - libecap2 gcc5 transition
[15:07] <tdaitx> - completed squid 3.3.8 patches (LP: #1496223, LP: #1496924, LP: #1501566)
[15:07] <tdaitx> - helped didrocks on openjdk support for LP: #1441487 (no support for JaxaFX since 2013: JDK-8092837 and JDK-8091321; AWT/Swing will not fix: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/swing-dev/2014-March/003307.html; maybe another way to load the lib besides as a java agent?
[15:07] <tdaitx> - accidentally destroyed my TCK host T_T
[15:07] <tdaitx> - reading and writing juju charms
[15:07] <tdaitx> Next steps
[15:07] <tdaitx> - verify OpenJDK 6 TLS patch (LP: #1482924)
[15:08] <tdaitx> - finish the tck charms if possible, otherwise will run everything manually
[15:08] <tdaitx> Waiting/On hold
[15:08] <tdaitx> - waiting OCA to submit webrevs for 7093640 backport (set TLS 1.1 as default for JDK 6 and TLS 1.2 as default for JDK 7); not blocking anything for now, just waiting
[15:08] <tdaitx> Upcoming
[15:08] <tdaitx> - US Visa interview in São Paulo on Monday; will be offline the whole day (flight in, interview, flight out);
[15:08] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:09] <slangasek> robru:
[15:10] <slangasek> cyphermox:
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - fixed NetworkManager
[15:10] <cyphermox>    - review/merge Tony's patches/changes for oFono and wifi
[15:10] <cyphermox>    - properly unbreak on wily (touch)
[15:10] <cyphermox>    + fixes a bunch of small issues found in the process
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - fwupdate work
[15:10] <cyphermox>    - waiting for sig from Microsoft
[15:10] <cyphermox>    - getting fwupd in the archive
[15:10] <cyphermox>    - integration in snappy
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - discussed usb-creator changes with mdeslaur
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - really fixing bcmwl modalias for XPS13.
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - sponsored MATE bugfixes
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - sponsored ubuntu-release-upgrader/1:15.10.7 for MATE support
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - fixed modemmanager upgrade issue
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - ipmitool SRU LP: #1486931 (still in queue, arges did some review)
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - ubiquity update for user-setup change
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - more ibmpmlinux review and fixage
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - debugging ubiquity timezone plugin crash
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - debugging multipath-tools crasher in trusty SRU...
[15:10] <cyphermox>  - sponsoring network-manager-strongswan bugfix.
[15:10] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:11] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[15:11] <bdmurray> This covers two weeks since I was out last thursday
[15:11] <bdmurray> irc discussion regarding stagingstack version of the error tracker and RT 84780
[15:11] <bdmurray> wrote code to review retracer logs to look for duplicate crash processing
[15:11] <bdmurray> reported update-manager / u-r-u bug 1497024 re upgrades and obsolete releases
[15:11] <bdmurray> research into the status of the armhf retracing queue (stuck at 12)
[15:11] <bdmurray> reviewed log files for failed queue retracers
[15:11] <bdmurray> resolved a traceback with the retracers and the failed queue
[15:11] <bdmurray> worked with webops on a plan to get new version of daisy running on staging
[15:11] <bdmurray> research into using ALTER TABLE with cassandra tables
[15:11] <bdmurray> uploaded a T, V SRU for update-manager part of LP: #1497024
[15:11] <bdmurray> uploaded T SRU for system-config-kickstater bug LP: #1260107
[15:11] <bdmurray> investigation into apport reporting crashes about foreign packages (recreated)
[15:11] <bdmurray> discovered and reported u-r-u bug LP: #1498193 (fixed in W, uploaded to V, T)
[15:11] <bdmurray> uploaded, verified apport SRU for P for (LP: #1148116)
[15:12] <bdmurray> uploaded apport SRU for V for (LP: #1336462)
[15:12] <bdmurray> SRU verificaton of V for update-manager part of LP: #1497024
[15:12] <bdmurray> reported ddeb-retriever bug LP: #1500557
[15:12] <bdmurray> investigated, proposed merge for apport to deal with LP: #1500557
[15:12] <bdmurray> resolved issue with wily not displaying DevelReleaseAnnouncement
[15:12] <bdmurray> worked with thedac regarding mojo spec for the Error Tracker
[15:12] <bdmurray> attended Cassandra Summit 2015
[15:12] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:12] <barry> system-image 3.0.2 landed in wily
[15:12] <barry> system-image server: reviewed & merged https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/ubuntu-system-image/server-fix-pd-builds/+merge/272445
[15:12] <barry> system-image server: lp:~barry/ubuntu-system-image/test-fixes
[15:12] <barry> dirtbike (a tool to rewheel installed packages in debian)
[15:12] <barry> pypi issues for bzr and launchpadlib
[15:12] <barry> helped robru with some ci train problems
[15:12] <barry> investigating LP: #1500768 (ongoing)
[15:12] <barry> PEP 507
[15:12] <barry> some fixes to batch-update-ppa for 3.5 transitional PPA
[15:12] <barry> system administration / hardware issues on the desktop machine
[15:12] <barry> --done--
[15:13] <slangasek> barry: "rewheel" - heh
[15:14] <slangasek> doko, robru, bueller: around?
[15:14] <barry> slangasek: yeah ;)
[15:15] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:15] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:16] <caribou> slangasek: who do I beg to have an install-image respun for Trusty ?
[15:16] <caribou> (Ref: prior discussion from a few weeks back)
[15:17] <slangasek> caribou: you'll have to refresh my memory on the prior discussion - which image do you need respun?
[15:20] <caribou> slangasek: I'll email the details
[15:20] <slangasek> (answer: d-i respin for current kernel in trusty)
[15:20] <slangasek> caribou: thanks
[15:20] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:21] <pitti> does anyone happen to know about extra "block storage" in nova/prodstack?
[15:21] <pitti> i. e. if I want to extend the disk space on an instance without going to a bigger flavor (to avoid wasting CPUs/RAM)
[15:22] <caribou> pitti: you should be able to create a volume & attach it to your instance
[15:22] <pitti> caribou: ah, volume-list/show/create/attach, thanks for the pointer!
[15:23] <pitti> does that have a juju interface, or nova directly?
[15:24] <caribou> pitti: dunno about juju. nova directly works
[15:24] <pitti> cheers
[15:24] <pitti> (or I'll just move to cpu1-ram2-disk50 which sounds fine too)
[15:25] <pitti> anyway, sorry for the abuse of the meeitng for lazynet
[15:25] <slangasek> :)
[15:25]  * sil2100 volunteers for the +1 maintenance this month
[15:25] <sil2100> o/
[15:25] <cyphermox> yay
[15:26] <pitti> caribou: ah, FYI (by way of Laney): https://jujucharms.com/docs/1.24/storage
[15:26] <sil2100> cyphermox: you can give me things to work if you want, I want to spend most of my next week helping out but just poke me and I'll try to help ;)
[15:26] <caribou> pitti: thanks!
[15:27] <cyphermox> sil2100: not sure if it's my "month" per se, but I'll be happy to help and sponsor.
[15:27] <slangasek> sil2100: did you get a chance to talk to doko already about current +1 maintenance task lists?
[15:27] <sil2100> slangasek: no, not yet, I spent my patch pilot session looking at the FTBFS page though
[15:28] <slangasek> ok
[15:28] <slangasek> sounds like that's everything, then
[15:28] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct  1 15:28:48 2015 UTC.
[15:28] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-10-01-15.01.moin.txt
[15:28] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[15:28] <sil2100> Thanks o/
[15:29] <barry> thanks!
[15:29] <tdaitx> thanks!
[15:29] <caribou> thanks!
[15:29] <pitti> thakns all
[16:27] <Kilos> o/
[17:00] <dholbach> hello hello
[17:00]  * wxl waves
[17:00] <flexiondotorg> o/
[17:00] <dholbach> hey wxl, hey flexiondotorg
[17:01] <dholbach> I saw pleia2 earlier - do we have mhall119, cprofitt, czajkowski too?
[17:01] <flexiondotorg> dholbach, Hi
[17:01] <dholbach> #startmeeting Community Council meeting
[17:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct  1 17:01:27 2015 UTC.  The chair is dholbach. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:01] <dholbach> #chair pleia2 mhall119 cprofitt czajkowski
[17:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: cprofitt czajkowski dholbach mhall119 pleia2
[17:01] <mhall119> o/
[17:01] <pleia2> o/
[17:02] <dholbach> today we are catching up with the Ubuntu Mate and Lubuntu teams (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda)
[17:02] <dholbach> #topic Catching up with the Ubuntu Mate team
[17:02] <dholbach> hey flexiondotorg - how are things in the Ubuntu Mate world?
[17:02] <flexiondotorg> Pretty great :-)
[17:02] <flexiondotorg> I have some questions, but before I do.
[17:03] <dholbach> sure, go ahead :)
[17:03] <flexiondotorg> I thought a quick background and status of the project would be useful.
[17:03] <pleia2> perfect
[17:03] <flexiondotorg> #### Objectives
[17:03] <flexiondotorg> Ubuntu MATE has a number of guiding objectives and goals.
[17:03] <flexiondotorg>  * Accessible to all, regardless of language and physical ability.
[17:03] <flexiondotorg>  * Increase both Ubuntu and MATE Desktop user adoption.
[17:03] <flexiondotorg>  * Ubuntu alternative for computers that aren't powerful enough to run a composited desktop.
[17:03] <flexiondotorg>  * First choice Ubuntu platform for remote workstation solutions such as LTSP and X2Go.
[17:03] <flexiondotorg>  * Recreate the halcyon days of Ubuntu for users who prefer a traditional desktop metaphor.
[17:03] <flexiondotorg>  * Use themes and artwork similar to Ubuntu so that Ubuntu MATE is immediately familiar.
[17:03] <flexiondotorg>  * When possible contribute to Debian so both the Debian and Ubuntu communities benefit.
[17:03] <flexiondotorg>  * Software selection will favour functionality and stability over lightness and whimsy.
[17:03] <flexiondotorg>  * Get adopted as an official Ubuntu "flavour".
[17:03] <flexiondotorg> With 15.10 we are meeting all those goals.
[17:04] <flexiondotorg> We've worked with the Accessible Computing Foundation to get the ensorsement that Ubuntu MATE is accessible.
[17:04] <cprofitt> sounds good.
[17:04] <flexiondotorg> I made Ubuntu MATE to re-create the Ubuntu experience my family had grown acustomed.
[17:04] <flexiondotorg> I switched them from Window XP to Ubuntu 6.06.
[17:04] <flexiondotorg> My wife, daughter, mother, father and in-laws all run Ubuntu MATE.
[17:05] <flexiondotorg> Turns out making something for my family proved very popular :-)
[17:05] <flexiondotorg> My mum is the most recent convert. She been running Ubuntu MATE for a year.
[17:05] <dholbach> :-)
[17:05] <flexiondotorg> She was delighted when she connected Ubuntu MATE to her wireless photo printer, without assistance.
[17:05] <flexiondotorg> So she is completely hooked and is now an Ubuntu advocate :-)
[17:05] <flexiondotorg> #### Community
[17:05] <flexiondotorg> The Ubuntu MATE community is thriving.
[17:05] <flexiondotorg> I had some 1-to-1 community management coaching from Jono Bacon.
[17:06] <flexiondotorg> The Ubuntu MATE community, in all their online locations, is positive and friendly.
[17:06] <flexiondotorg> Very proud of that.
[17:06] <flexiondotorg> If you've never seen them, here are the websites.
[17:06] <flexiondotorg>  * https://ubuntu-mate.org
[17:06] <flexiondotorg>  * https://ubuntu-mate.community
[17:06] <flexiondotorg>  * https://ubuntu-mate.boutique
[17:06] <flexiondotorg> We're on the various social networks.
[17:06] <flexiondotorg>  * ~2900 G+ community page memebrs
[17:06] <flexiondotorg>  * ~2500 Facebook community page memebrs
[17:06] <flexiondotorg>  * ~1300 Twitter followers
[17:06] <flexiondotorg>  * LinkedIn group and page are currently being established.
[17:07] <flexiondotorg> I've presented talks about Ubuntu MATE at Oggcamp 14, X2Go Gather 2014, Montreal Linux User Group, UOS 15.05 as well as number interviews on podcasts.
[17:07] <flexiondotorg> One Ubuntu MATE user presented Ubuntu MATE 15.04 live on the national Romanian news.
[17:08] <flexiondotorg> #### Downloads
[17:08] <flexiondotorg> Here are some conservative download numbers.
[17:08] <flexiondotorg> I can't track direct downloads from the mirrors nor some torrent activity.
[17:08] <flexiondotorg>  * ~42,000 downloads per month for Intel 32-bit and 64-bit combined, included 15.04 and 15.10.
[17:08] <flexiondotorg>  * ~31,000 downloads per month for the Raspberry Pi 2 image.
[17:08] <flexiondotorg> More on that ^^^^^^^ in a bit.
[17:08] <flexiondotorg>  * ~1,000 downloads per month for the PowerPC image.
[17:08] <flexiondotorg>  * ~400 downloads per month for the aarch32 ARMv7 generic rootfs image.
[17:09] <flexiondotorg> ARM holdings are completing the paperwork so that generic rootfs can use the official ARM artwork/logos.
[17:09] <mhall119> that's really cool about being featured on the news
[17:09] <dholbach>  * Awards received so far: Best prepared CC Catch-up ever.
[17:09] <flexiondotorg> Yeah, it was pretty amazing. He did a demo and everything.
[17:09] <flexiondotorg> #### Hardware
[17:09] <flexiondotorg> We have two hardware partners selling computers pre-installed with Ubuntu MATE.
[17:09] <flexiondotorg>  * Entroware - https://www.entroware.com/store/
[17:09] <flexiondotorg>  * LibreTrend - http://libretrend.com/en/
[17:09] <wxl> um, yeah, dholbach. i feel a bit under-dressed for the occassion.
[17:09] <flexiondotorg> A third hardware partnership is in development for a Raspberry Pi 2 based device for use in the education sector in France.
[17:09] <dholbach> wxl, don't worry too much :)
[17:10] <flexiondotorg> This is my first time at this and I'm sure some of you know nothing about Ubuntu MATE.
[17:10] <flexiondotorg> So, just setting the scene :-)
[17:10] <flexiondotorg> #### Media
[17:10] <mhall119> flexiondotorg: are those hardware partners using a vanilla Ubuntu MATE image, or are they modifying it for their hardware?
[17:10] <flexiondotorg> Vanilla
[17:10] <mhall119> that's good
[17:11] <flexiondotorg> They been vetted by Ubuntu Legal too.
[17:11] <dholbach> Who's all helping out with Ubuntu MATE?
[17:11] <mhall119> that was going to be my next question, good job on that flexiondotorg :)
[17:11] <flexiondotorg> I worked on oem-config with the foundations team to fix a few bits.
[17:11] <flexiondotorg> dholbach, https://ubuntu-mate.org/team/
[17:12] <flexiondotorg> Press coverage : Linux Welt (cover disc twice), Ubuntu Facil,
[17:12] <flexiondotorg> Linux Voice, Linux.com, OMG! Ubuntu!, WebUpd8, Linux Veda, Datamation, Phoronix,
[17:12] <flexiondotorg> Softpedia, The Register to name a few.
[17:12] <flexiondotorg> #### Participating in Ubuntu and Debian
[17:12] <flexiondotorg> I'd like to think we are playing an active and beneficial role in the Ubuntu
[17:12] <flexiondotorg> community.
[17:12] <flexiondotorg> I've signed the CLA and contributed to Compiz to bring first class
[17:12] <flexiondotorg> support to MATE.
[17:12] <flexiondotorg> Ubuntu MATE owes a great deal of thanks to many canonical staff who've helped make Ubuntu MATE a reality.
[17:12] <flexiondotorg> All the MATE packaging is actually done in Debian, where I am a maintainer.
[17:13] <flexiondotorg> I did the migration of MATE 1.8 to 1.10 over the summer.
[17:13] <mhall119> flexiondotorg: do you know if MATE plans to stay on compiz indefinitely, or are there plans to move to something with more active development?
[17:13] <flexiondotorg> All those packages are now synced to the Ubuntu archive.
[17:13] <dholbach> how does the coordination of the Ubuntu MATE team mostly work?
[17:13] <flexiondotorg> Compiz is optional.
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> I've added support for Metacity and Mutter in 15.10. With support for Compton coming in 16.04.
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> dholbach, I lead the charge.
[17:14] <dholbach> do you have meetings?
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> I co-lead MATE Desktop.
[17:14] <dholbach> do you all hang out on IRC?
[17:14] <mhall119> flexiondotorg: cool, the question was leading to see if MATE would have the desire and ability to take over ownership of Compiz
[17:14] <dholbach> or use mailing lists?
[17:14] <flexiondotorg> dholbach, All IRC.
[17:15] <dholbach> how does coordination work with Debian and Upstream?
[17:15] <flexiondotorg> mhall119, Desire to take on Compiz yes. Ability, sadly not :-(
[17:15] <mhall119> ok, that's fair
[17:15] <flexiondotorg> Well, Debian maintainers and also MATE upstream.
[17:15] <flexiondotorg> So everything happens in #mate-dev
[17:16] <flexiondotorg> I have some questions.
[17:16] <mhall119> ask away
[17:16] <flexiondotorg> Can I apply for per package upload rights now?
[17:16] <dholbach> not with the CC
[17:16] <flexiondotorg> As I've said, most packaging happens in Debian.
[17:17] <dholbach> but I would generally encourage you and help where I can with the application process :)
[17:17] <flexiondotorg> Well, the question is really, have I worked with the Ubuntu team long enough to start the application process?
[17:17] <flexiondotorg> Cool.
[17:17] <dholbach> I would recommend to set up a wiki page for the application and ask your sponsors for feedback
[17:17] <dholbach> they're going to have to add it in any case
[17:17] <mhall119> +1 what dholbach said
[17:17] <flexiondotorg> Wiki stuff already in place.
[17:17] <dholbach> and you'll get to feel the pulse
[17:17] <dholbach> awesome
[17:18] <flexiondotorg> I'll start the process next week.
[17:18] <dholbach> drop me an email and I'll have a look over it and leave an endorsement
[17:18] <flexiondotorg> wilco
[17:18] <flexiondotorg> How do I join the bug squad?
[17:18] <dholbach> I sponsored a few packages already, so I have an opinion already. :-)
[17:18] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[17:18] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/GettingInvolved
[17:18] <flexiondotorg> I've been doing a good chunk of bug hunting and have been asked to join.
[17:18] <dholbach> you can ping bdmurray and balloons about that too ^
[17:19] <flexiondotorg> Thanks. I'll follow that up.
[17:19] <dholbach> brilliant :)
[17:19] <flexiondotorg> My other questions are about getting new packages into the archive, but I guess that is not a discussion for here?
[17:20] <flexiondotorg> Particularly Pi 2 related packages, firmware and such.
[17:20] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages - let me know if you have any more specific questions
[17:20] <flexiondotorg> But other than that, feel free to ask me some more questions.
[17:20] <dholbach> ogra and ppisati can probably help with rpi2 bits
[17:20] <flexiondotorg> I've been talking to orga.
[17:21] <flexiondotorg> Notes made, will follow up with them.
[17:21] <dholbach> excellent
[17:21] <mhall119> flexiondotorg: have you guys started looking at Snappy and the possibility of making Ubuntu MATE images for it?
[17:21] <mhall119> especially for PRi2
[17:21] <flexiondotorg> mhall119, Yes.
[17:21] <flexiondotorg> I've watched the UOS session.
[17:21] <flexiondotorg> Chatted with some of the devs.
[17:22] <flexiondotorg> Had a snapcraft 1-to-1 with ogra last week.
[17:22] <dholbach> What are your first impressions so far?
[17:22] <flexiondotorg> Really want to invest some time is learning Snappy and snapcraft more thoroughly.
[17:22] <flexiondotorg> snaftcraft is awesome sauce.
[17:22] <dholbach> <3
[17:22] <flexiondotorg> I was already sold on the notion of core os and containered apps.
[17:23] <dholbach> let me know if you have any more specific questions and feedback there - maybe also outside of the meeting :)
[17:23] <flexiondotorg> mhall119, Yes I'd like to make a snappy Ubuntu MATE.
[17:23] <flexiondotorg> But I'd need Xmir support in snappy I think.
[17:23] <flexiondotorg> dholbach, Will do.
[17:23] <dholbach> how does interaction with the Ubuntu MATE community of users work generally?
[17:23] <mhall119> flexiondotorg: fantastic, the snappy developers need feedback, especially from flavor devs, on what is needed to support that
[17:24] <flexiondotorg> By and large via G+ and the Ubuntu MATE community site.
[17:24] <dholbach> Bug reports too?
[17:24] <flexiondotorg> I've been spending a good deal of time educating them to raise bugs and not just whine into the ether.
[17:24] <flexiondotorg> That message is getting through.
[17:24] <flexiondotorg> For example.
[17:24] <flexiondotorg> We've helped get several endian issue fixed for PowerPC this cycle.
[17:25] <flexiondotorg> Xorg works and so does webkit now.
[17:25] <flexiondotorg> That was done by getting the PowerPC educated in how to file bugs the right way to get the attention of the right people.
[17:25] <popey> Yeah, seeing people post photos of old G5 Macs running brand new software is really cool!
[17:25] <dholbach> so the amount of bug reports is manageable so far?
[17:25] <flexiondotorg> popey, You should see today's on G+
[17:25]  * popey looks
[17:25] <flexiondotorg> It's Inception like.
[17:26] <flexiondotorg> dholbach, Currently about 75.
[17:26] <flexiondotorg> I try to keep it under 100.
[17:26] <popey> https://plus.google.com/u/0/115515624056477014971/posts/8H1UtDv5FEM
[17:26] <popey> for the logs :)
[17:26] <dholbach> where would you like to get more people involved in the Ubuntu MATE world?
[17:26] <flexiondotorg> Yes, manageable.
[17:26] <flexiondotorg> dholbach, Good question.
[17:26] <flexiondotorg> Probably more in the MATE world really.
[17:27] <flexiondotorg> Because MATE needs some features adding.
[17:27] <flexiondotorg> I helped accomplish some of that last year as a GSoC mentor for MATE.
[17:27] <dholbach> so mostly MATE upstream work?
[17:27] <flexiondotorg> We completed 3 excellent projects.
[17:27] <flexiondotorg> dholbach, Yeah, mostly.
[17:28] <flexiondotorg> The Ubuntu MATE package in the ubuntu archive are:
[17:28] <flexiondotorg>  - ubuntu-mate-settings
[17:28] <flexiondotorg>  - ubuntu-mate-artwork
[17:28] <flexiondotorg>  - ubuntu-mate-welcome
[17:28] <flexiondotorg>  - ubuntu-mate-meta
[17:28] <flexiondotorg>  - folder-color
[17:28] <flexiondotorg>  - deja-dup-caja
[17:28] <mhall119> flexiondotorg: are you guys encouraging your active contributors to seek Ubuntu Membership? If so, how are you doing that?
[17:28] <flexiondotorg> The last 2 are maintained by Marco Costales.
[17:28] <flexiondotorg> I can manage the others.
[17:28] <flexiondotorg> mhall119, Not yet.
[17:29] <flexiondotorg> But on the cards for 16.04.
[17:29] <flexiondotorg> Myself included.
[17:29] <mhall119> you're not a member yet?
[17:29]  * dholbach echos the question
[17:29] <flexiondotorg> I think when 15.10 goes final I hit my 6 months official involvement right?
[17:29] <mhall119> that's not a hard requirement
[17:29] <flexiondotorg> No, not a member.
[17:29] <flexiondotorg> Would like to be.
[17:29] <mhall119> you should definitely go for Membership before you go for upload access
[17:30] <flexiondotorg> OK, I'll do that thing :-)
[17:30] <dholbach> and I guess you were involved in a way or another since 6.06, right? :)
[17:30] <flexiondotorg> dholbach, Yes.
[17:30] <dholbach> so, 6 months are not a problem :)
[17:30] <flexiondotorg> Except that bit where I'm an Arch Linux TU since 2012 ;-)
[17:30] <dholbach> TU?
[17:31] <flexiondotorg> Trusted User ~= MOTU
[17:31] <dholbach> ah, brilliant
[17:31] <mhall119> that wouldn't discount your Ubuntu involvement at all
[17:31] <flexiondotorg> Phew!
[17:31] <flexiondotorg> Right, I'm over running :-O
[17:31] <dholbach> no, far from it - it's always good to have insights from people who got to experience other communities :)
[17:32] <flexiondotorg> :-)
[17:32] <dholbach> I'm out of questions - I'm super happy with your involvement and what you report from the MATE community
[17:32] <flexiondotorg> Thank you.
[17:32] <dholbach> do you have any more questions yourself? or anything where the CC could help with?
[17:33] <flexiondotorg> And thanks to all the Canonical staff who've helped make Ubuntu MATE a reality.
[17:33] <flexiondotorg> No questions from me,.
[17:33] <flexiondotorg> wxl, All yours mate :-)
[17:33] <mhall119> flexiondotorg: and thanks to you and the MATE developer for bringing another great desktop option to Ubuntu sers
[17:33] <mhall119> users
[17:33] <flexiondotorg> :-)
[17:33] <dholbach> cprofitt, pleia2, czajkowski: any more questions from you?
[17:33] <mhall119> speaking of great desktop options, hello wxl :)
[17:33] <wxl> okie dokie. well, i didn't have a speech prepared, so… XD
[17:34] <pleia2> nothing from me, thanks flexiondotorg :)
[17:34] <dholbach> #topic Catching up with the Lubuntu team
[17:34] <wxl> in fac,t i had expected this to go a little bit more like other meetings i have grown accustomed to wherein i simply ask questions, but hey :)
[17:34] <dholbach> thanks again flexiondotorg!
[17:34] <pleia2> wxl: haha, that's ok, flexiondotorg went above and beyond what we're used to :)
[17:35] <dholbach> wxl, that works well for us :)
[17:35] <wxl> ok, good
[17:35] <wxl> next time i'll do something like that. it's good.
[17:35] <dholbach> how are things in the Lubuntu team?
[17:35] <wxl> pretty good over all
[17:35] <wxl> we've been plugging away at getting lxqt integrated
[17:35] <wxl> it's taken us a while
[17:35] <wxl> we'll probably have everything done in time for 16.04, but i'm not comfortable putting new features in an LTS
[17:35] <dholbach> how is it looking and working for you?
[17:36] <mhall119> wxl: so lxde will still be the default for you in 16.04?
[17:36] <wxl> the big issue with lxqt is not necessarily the desktop environment itself, but that the change in graphics library requries us to reconsider all of our app choices
[17:36] <wxl> mhall119: at present, that is the current plan, yes.
[17:36] <mhall119> wxl: and you're okay supporting that for 5 years?
[17:36] <dholbach> which apps would need replacement?
[17:36] <wxl> lubuntu has a pretty small development team, and they could use all the time they could get
[17:37] <mhall119> understood
[17:37] <wxl> mhall119: yes. lxde (the gtk+ version) continues to be developed upstream
[17:37] <gilir> hi, sorry to be late
[17:37] <dholbach> hey gilir
[17:37] <wxl> in fact, the team working on it insists that lxde is not dead despite the fact that the team has largely shifted to focusing on lxqt
[17:37] <mhall119> wxl: well that's good to know
[17:38] <wxl> to answer your question, dholbach, basically all of the gtk+ apps that don't offer a qt version. so pretty much the whole kit and kaboodle!
[17:38] <dholbach> are you planning to add a lxqt session so people can play around with it early on?
[17:38] <dholbach> do the gtk+ apps generally work in a lxqt session?
[17:38] <mhall119> wxl: are the KDE apps an option for you, or do they depend too much on KDE/Frameworks?
[17:38] <wxl> dholbach: gilir has provided two choices for people to play with: an lxqt-metapackage in our daily ppas and a lubuntu-next iso that he hosts himself
[17:39] <tsimonq2> .
[17:39] <dholbach> good work!
[17:39] <wxl> dholbach: generally, yes. honestly, my personal machine has been living with both libraries for a while and it's happy
[17:39] <dholbach> so mixing and matching would be an option?
[17:39] <wxl> dholbach: also we taking and responding to bugs filed against those previews
[17:39] <wxl> dholbach: yes, but of course, considering our focus on being lightweight, we don't want to ship both graphics libraries
[17:39] <dholbach> ok, I see
[17:39] <dholbach> I wasn't sure if you were constrained by ISO size
[17:40] <wxl> mhall119: it's an interesting thing. some kde apps can be removed from the kde space, while others are tightly integrated. perhaps this will be the impetus needed to get all of those apps to live free of the whole kde desktop environment.
[17:40] <dholbach> as you mentioned the team size earlier... where would you need most help?
[17:40] <gilir> I could add also that we are trying to be qt5 only, and with minimun KDE/KF5 depends
[17:40] <wxl> dholbach: iso size is certainly an issue. we've struggled to at least keep our alternate image cd sized. struggled. and it's important to us because the target for our flavor is often old machines that perhaps don't support dvds or usb.
[17:41] <dholbach> ah that makes sense
[17:41] <gilir> that make the choice for default apps very limited :-/
[17:41] <wxl> dholbach: i continue to recruit people to testing and bug hunting and what not. but again, where we need help is with development. i'll let gilir speak more about that
[17:41] <mhall119> wxl: another possible option, and I'm just throwing this out for you, is the Ubuntu Core Apps which are all Qt/Qml and lightweight, but might require inclusions of some additional platform services
[17:42] <wxl> and actually, we're working on trying to find a replacement for our wonderful documentation guy who has been called away by real life. i mean the project will keep going without him, but he was making some serious inroads on some hard work.
[17:42] <dholbach> gilir, where do you see most demand for helping hands?
[17:42] <wxl> mhall119: i'll leave gilir to consider that and/or respond to it
[17:43] <dholbach> how do you guys coordinate most of your work and where do you invite people to?
[17:43] <gilir> mhall119, last time I check them, they depends toomuch on unity stuff
[17:43] <gilir> mhall119, but that could be an option in the long term
[17:44] <gilir> dholbach, we coordinate a lot by mail and by IRC
[17:44] <wxl> dholbach: we have #lubuntu-devel and the mailing list associated with the qa team where most of the technical discussion happens, even those things not directly related to qa. however, i have recently created a lubuntu-devel mailing list that i hope to move all that discussion over to, so the "qa" tag isn't quite as confusing (also that's not an lp list which i think will be a godsend, unlike the previ
[17:44] <wxl> ous one)
[17:44] <dholbach> that makes sense
[17:44] <wxl> dholbach: also i sometimes hunt down gilir through facebook messenger XD
[17:45] <dholbach> :-)
[17:45] <mhall119> gilir: the Ubuntu UI Toolkit used to have a dependency on some unity library, but I think that's been removed
[17:45] <gilir> wxl, sorry for that :-/
[17:45] <wxl> generally any discussion, private or not, gets communicated throughout the lists so the community can be involved
[17:45] <mhall119> the apps themselves shouldn't have any Unity dependency
[17:45] <dholbach> so that's how lubuntu's red telephone works :)
[17:45] <wxl> gilir: hahah, that's fine! i rather enjoy that as an option!
[17:45] <wxl> dholbach: exactly!
[17:46] <gilir> mhall119, that's good know :-) I'll propably check them again after the next LTS
[17:46] <dholbach> maybe you could do a session at the next UOS and invite interested folks to participate there
[17:46] <wxl> mhall119: is there someone in particular we should connect with if we run into further issues with that?
[17:46] <mhall119> wxl: popey would be a good point of contact
[17:47] <wxl> mhall119: noted, thanks. keep me up to date on how that goes when you have a chance, gilir.
[17:47] <dholbach> I'm sure that evaluating app solutions is something where others would like to help out
[17:47] <wxl> dholbach: we did a UOS session a while back where we kind of showed off lxqt and asked questions. we take every opportunity in the public eye to invite people to join
[17:47] <dholbach> brilliant
[17:47] <dholbach> maybe you can invite some upstream folks to the sessions too
[17:47] <wxl> dholbach: the community has been involved in the brainstorming regarding replacement apps for lubuntu-next as well
[17:48]  * popey wakes
[17:48] <dholbach> awesome
[17:48] <wxl> that's a good point, dholbach!
[17:48] <dholbach> is there anything where you would like the CC to help out?
[17:49] <wxl> dholbach: yes, patches welcome. XD
[17:49] <dholbach> haha
[17:49] <wxl> seriously, no. the lubuntu community continues to grow
[17:49] <wxl> we're not a huge team but we're all very dedicated
[17:49] <dholbach> do you do a lot on social media at the moment?
[17:49] <dholbach> (apart from pinging gilir on FB? :-))
[17:49] <wxl> we have a VERY active facebook group
[17:49] <wxl> and a facebook page
[17:50] <wxl> and several points on twitter (key people, and official channels)
[17:50] <wxl> we've got a reddit board
[17:50] <dholbach> less on Google+?
[17:50] <wxl> google+
[17:50] <wxl> i think fb is far more active than g+
[17:50] <dholbach> interesting
[17:50] <wxl> not because we do less on it, but that's just where users connect with us more
[17:51] <dholbach> do you manage to get people from these communities involved in any of the daily work?
[17:51] <wxl> a lot of users are windows expats
[17:51] <dholbach> sure, I think that's perfectly fine :)
[17:51] <wxl> yes, actually
[17:51] <wxl> we've recruited several people that way
[17:51] <dholbach> maybe we could invite you guys to a Community Q&A to show off some of the work you've been doing
[17:51] <dholbach> ... and answer questions :)
[17:51] <wxl> sometimes it comes from a conversation on a particular topic and other times, it's from making friends
[17:52] <wxl> also myself and several others run a sort of linux mentoring program called linuxpadawan
[17:52] <wxl> that tends to get them involved in our projects
[17:52] <wxl> as we tend to use lubuntu tasks to illustrate or help educate people on particular topics
[17:52] <dholbach> nice
[17:53] <wxl> i'm currently mentoring a very bright 13 year old who's been helping with qa and learning how to contribute code!
[17:53] <dholbach> <3
[17:53] <wxl> i think a community q&a would be FABULOUS dholbach. the timing of those mostly sucks for me, though.
[17:53] <dholbach> maybe we can move the date and time once :)
[17:53]  * mhall119 is happy to see linuxpadawan continuing to grow
[17:54] <wxl> not because it's too early but because i'm trying to get myself and my daughter ready for our days
[17:54] <dholbach> mhall119, ^
[17:54] <wxl> if that's a possibility, i'm all ears
[17:54] <tsimonq2> o/
[17:54] <mhall119> I'm sure we could make it happen
[17:54] <wxl> extra exposure would be really nice and i know those q&as get a lot of activity
[17:54] <mhall119> might get fewer questions though
[17:54] <wxl> (btw tsimonq2 is said padawan) :)
[17:54] <wxl> i could also see if i couldn't coordinate somehow to make it happen
[17:55] <wxl> for now let's put that on the list of things to look into and we'll go from there
[17:55] <dholbach> excellent
[17:55] <dholbach> I'm super happy with what you're reporting!
[17:55] <wxl> i certainly appreciate the offer and anything i can do to take advantage of the opportunity would be most appreciated
[17:56] <dholbach> do you get a chance to meet up as a lubuntu/lxde/lxqt community at events sometimes?
[17:56] <wxl> unfortunately, not yet
[17:56] <wxl> we're pretty spread out across the world
[17:56] <wxl> we've done hangouts and such but that's been about it XD
[17:57] <dholbach> are there any meetings where upstream folks meet sometimes?
[17:57] <wxl> i do go waving the lubuntu flag everywhere i go though XD
[17:57] <wxl> not that i'm aware of. gilir do you know of any lxde meetings anywhere?
[17:57] <wxl> most of the activity i've seen from them is on the mailing list. even irc is pretty quiet.
[17:57] <gilir> wxl, it's very diffult to get everyone in a same country
[17:58] <dholbach> maybe it might be an idea to colocate a lubuntu/lxde/lxqt meeting with another conference one day?
[17:58] <wxl> that'd be a cool idea
[17:58] <gilir> ther was some lxde/lxqt meeting with part of the devs, but never most of them
[17:58] <wxl> last time i showed up at a conference it was mostly kubuntu folks hanging out XD
[17:58] <gilir> there is people in US, Europe and Asia, that not easy :-)
[17:59]  * wxl nods
[17:59] <dholbach> I see, ok
[17:59] <dholbach> I'm done with questions
[17:59] <dholbach> how about everyone else?
[17:59] <wxl> at the aforementioned conference, we had kubuntu folks from around the world, b ut most of them were presently working in the us. circumstantial luck.
[18:00] <wxl> maybe i could do the q&a on my bike, mhall119 ;)
[18:00] <dholbach> :)
[18:00] <dholbach> czajkowski, cprofitt, mhall119, pleia2: more questions from you?
[18:00] <mhall119> wxl: I've had hangout meetings with people driving in their car, so it wouldn't be that far off :)
[18:00] <pleia2> nope, thanks wxl
[18:01] <wxl> mhall119: i'm not sure you remember but a few UOSs ago i showed up to ask questions while on a bike and you commented that that was the first you had seen of it XD
[18:01] <dholbach> thanks a lot wxl, gilir and everyone else!
[18:01] <mhall119> wxl: same question as I asked the MATE guys, are you directing your active contributors to seek Ubuntu Membership and helping them prepare for that?
[18:01] <wxl> mhall119: being a member of the membership board, that's a resounding yes XD
[18:01] <mhall119> wxl: ah ha! I had forgotten about that
[18:01] <wxl> mhall119: i'm also on the LoCo board so i'm always encouraging local involvement as well
[18:02] <dholbach> :-)
[18:02] <wxl> in fact, the aforementioned 13 year old is currently working on taking over his LoCo which is mostly dead!
[18:02] <dholbach> that's fantastic
[18:02] <wxl> and actually he goes to a really cool school that is allowing him to contribute as part of his education
[18:03] <wxl> when we were working out milestones to reach, we made sure to include Ubuntu Membership :)
[18:03] <dholbach> tsimonq2, which LoCo team is that?
[18:03] <wxl> it's in Wisconsin, dholbach
[18:03] <wxl> i think his study hall ended
[18:03] <dholbach> brilliant!
[18:03] <dholbach> thanks a lot tsimonq2! keep up the good work!
[18:03] <dholbach> and thanks everyone else
[18:04] <mhall119> wxl: wow, that's really cool, keep up the great work with linuxpadawan
[18:04] <wxl> oh and one other thing: i continue to acquire ppc machines and have been meaning to send them out to testers
[18:04] <wxl> mhall119: will do :)
[18:04] <wxl> so hopefully our ppc image will continue to grow
[18:04] <wxl> ppc is what brought me to lubuntu and is a popular target since many ppc machines are very resource limited
[18:05] <wxl> since there's not a lot of support for ppc (i mean, period. all of the linux world), we've gone to lts only, but having more testers working on daily images will help give us the heads up we need to produce better images
[18:05] <wxl> i think that's about all i got for news and updates
[18:06] <dholbach> awesome!
[18:06] <pleia2> yay ppc, glad that work is continuing there
[18:06] <wxl> i appreciate every single one of you and all your hard work in the community
[18:06]  * dholbach hugs you all :)
[18:06] <wxl> hehehe
[18:06] <wxl> group hug!
[18:06] <wxl> :)
[18:06] <cprofitt> sorry I was in and out, ut got called away
[18:06] <dholbach> #topic Any other business?
[18:07] <dholbach> I don't have any other business and there's nothing on the agenda page as far as I can see.
[18:07] <pleia2> the call for nominees for the loco council still needs to be sent out
[18:07] <pleia2> I think someone may have told jose that it's fine for them to do that?
[18:08] <dholbach> I didn't, but yeah - it's perfectly fine for the LC to send out the call.
[18:08] <wxl> pleia2: honestly i'm still confused about the status on that
[18:08] <mhall119> pleia2: I think that may have been me
[18:08] <wxl> let me double check the mailing list
[18:10] <wxl> we have quorum as far as number of members
[18:10] <wxl> but josé seems to think you're doing the announcement mhall119 :)
[18:10] <mhall119> wxl: IIRC, there are 2 or 3 members set to expire this month
[18:10] <wxl> yep
[18:10] <dholbach> also worth noting: the CC is still accepting nominations for the upcoming CC election
[18:11] <mhall119> jose can post the announcement to fridge, I can't, so that's +1 for him doing it :)
[18:11] <wxl> tsimonq2 said he was going to put in a nominator for me :)
[18:11] <wxl> hahahahah mhall119 i'll let him know
[18:12] <cprofitt> yes, I told jose the LC could do the announcement
[18:12] <dholbach> cool cool :)
[18:12] <dholbach> ok, that's a wrap then :)
[18:12] <dholbach> thanks everyone!
[18:12] <dholbach> #endmeeting
[18:12] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct  1 18:12:59 2015 UTC.
[18:12] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-10-01-17.01.moin.txt
[18:12] <mhall119> thanks everyone
[18:13] <wxl> thanks all
[19:54] <hik--> Hello
[19:54] <wxl> hi hikiko !
[19:54] <hikiko-m> Hi!
[19:55] <wxl> how are you?
[19:55] <hikiko-m> Good :-) you?
[19:55] <wxl> good thank you
[19:56] <wxl> i'm pretty sure several of our other members are lurking about
[19:56] <wxl> did you bring anyone to provide testimonials for you, hikiko-m /
[19:56] <Kilos> hi hikiko-m
[19:57] <hikiko-m> mmm no, I asked some people to write @the wiki but maybe they forgot../
[19:57] <hikiko-m> hi Kilos
[19:57] <wxl> hikiko-m: we can make some time if you want to invite anyone to irc
[19:58] <hikiko-m> let me try
[20:00] <wxl> hikiko: you might check if anyone you're looking for is on this channel already. many of us idle.
[20:00] <elacheche_anis> o/
[20:01] <hikiko--> !
[20:01] <hikiko--> hey Trevinho
[20:01] <hikiko--> ping!
[20:01] <elacheche_anis> hikiko-- hikiko  who's is the one?
[20:01] <elacheche_anis> :)
[20:01] <wxl> elacheche_anis: i think they're one in the same XD
[20:01] <hikiko--> me
[20:02] <elacheche_anis> Membership board rise your hands please → let's count :)
[20:02] <wxl> o/
[20:02] <PabloRubianes> hello
[20:02] <Kilos> o/
[20:02] <PabloRubianes> o/
[20:02] <elacheche_anis> Yayy :D We reach the quorum :p :D
[20:02] <elacheche_anis> OK can we start?
[20:02] <Kilos> yay
[20:03] <wxl> ready
[20:03] <Kilos> hikiko-- are you ready
[20:03] <elacheche_anis> #startmeeting 20 UTC Membership Board Meeting
[20:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct  1 20:03:35 2015 UTC.  The chair is elacheche_anis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[20:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[20:03] <hikiko--> yes ready :)\
[20:03] <elacheche_anis> The wiki page for the Review Board is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards. We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting.
[20:03] <elacheche_anis> If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off. The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[20:03] <elacheche_anis> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[20:03] <elacheche_anis> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[20:04] <elacheche_anis> #topic hikiko--
[20:04] <elacheche_anis> hikiko-- please introduce yourself to the board, and share a link to your LP and wiki
[20:04] <elacheche_anis> #voters wxl Kilos PabloRubianes elacheche_anis
[20:04] <meetingology> Current voters: Kilos PabloRubianes elacheche_anis wxl
[20:04] <elacheche_anis> #votesrequired 4
[20:04] <meetingology> votes now need 4 to be passed
[20:04] <hikiko--> hello, I’m Eleni, I’m a software engineer @Canonical and I work on the desktop (nux, compiz and unity)
[20:05] <wxl> nice to meet you Eleni! :)
[20:05] <hikiko--> my wiki page is: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/hikiko
[20:05] <elacheche_anis> Welcome hikiko-- :) What can you tell us more about you ?
[20:06] <hikiko--> and my lp page: https://launchpad.net/~hikiko
[20:06] <hikiko--> hello all\
[20:06] <hikiko--> mmm what else
[20:06] <hikiko--> I like computer graphics
[20:06] <hikiko--> I m writing C++, opengl
[20:06] <Kilos> nice to meet you hikiko--
[20:06] <wxl> that seems apparent :)
[20:07] <wxl> outside of your contributions to the project as part of your job, how else have you been involved with the ubuntu community?
[20:08] <hikiko--> I write some blog posts related to Ubuntu (and that’s one of the reasons I’d like to become ubuntu member: add my blog to planet ubuntu so that more people can read it) and I participate to fosscoms etc
[20:08] <elacheche_anis> hikiko--: I really LOVED that imgr link! But I can't find any other interesting information in your Wiki, like Testimonials from Community members, and community projects..
[20:09] <hikiko--> aren’t compiz, nux and unity community projects?!
[20:09] <wxl> absolutely, hikiko ! your contributions are apparent!
[20:09] <PabloRubianes> hikiko: any LoCo Work?
[20:10] <hikiko--> translations?
[20:10] <wxl> you do translations, too?
[20:10] <hikiko--> I’ve done 2 in the past (2005 or 2006) I’m not really participating on that sorry
[20:11] <elacheche_anis> hikiko--: Yeah those are community projects, but your wiki should show that, it's like a resume or a summary for all that..
[20:11] <wxl> tell us about the last FOSSCon you were involved in
[20:11] <hikiko--> mmm I was hoping that people could find my contributions on launchpad
[20:12] <wxl> hikiko: like he said, it's like a resumé. not so much a list, but a little bit of detail.
[20:12] <wxl> although, as a programmer, i understand your logic XD
[20:12] <hikiko--> I’ve been to several of them and this year I m going to make a presentation on compiz and how people can contribute and write plugins from scratch
[20:12] <wxl> wow! at which one?
[20:12] <hikiko--> in our local fosscomm in greece
[20:13] <wxl> oh cool, i wasn't clear if you were still in greece or not
[20:13] <wxl> is there a large ubuntu community there?
[20:13] <Kilos> hikiko-- you should put all that in your wiki
[20:13] <Kilos> your wiki page is where you sell your slf
[20:13] <wxl> i think it's clear we need to better define what should be on the wiki
[20:13] <Kilos> self
[20:14] <hikiko--> well, it’s large compared to other oss communities but we don’t have large communities in greece :)
[20:14] <elacheche_anis> hikiko--: I'm interested to get a video link to that presentation :) I'll be happy if oyu ping me after the FOSSCOMM :)
[20:14] <hikiko--> sure elacheche_anis :)
[20:14] <wxl> i agree with elacheche_anis, but i'd recommend also putting that on your wiki too
[20:15] <hikiko--> I will put it in my blog
[20:15] <PabloRubianes> hikiko: is there any reason you have no testimonials on your wiki?
[20:15] <wxl> anything you do to promote ubuntu should go there
[20:15] <PabloRubianes> maybe you didn't ask for them
[20:15] <hikiko--> I have other presentations too and tutorials
[20:15] <PabloRubianes> ?
[20:15] <hikiko--> well I asked people for testimonials
[20:15] <elacheche_anis> hikiko--: I say it again & again, I really love and appreciate what you do for the community.. But you miss 2/4 from the application requirements → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/NewMember#Preparing_your_Application
[20:15] <hikiko--> and some of them said they will write
[20:15] <hikiko--> but they didn’t so...
[20:16] <elacheche_anis> I feel you hikiko-- :)
[20:17] <hikiko--> ok robert_ancell will write one :D
[20:17] <hikiko--> thanks robert_ancell !!
[20:17] <robert_ancell> mkay
[20:17] <wxl> do you havea a lot of interactions with other ubuntu users/members/contributors outside of the ones you interact with for work?
[20:18] <hikiko--> mmm there are always people that ask for help in #ubuntu-desktop or #compiz or in lp
[20:18] <hikiko--> and we provide support
[20:19] <wxl> so you provide irc support, hikiko ?
[20:19] <hikiko--> but yes thats mostly work
[20:19] <wxl> is there a loco in greece?
[20:20] <hikiko--> I think so, there is #ubuntu-gr on freenode and some translating teams
[20:20] <wxl> yeah i think #ubuntu-gr is for irc support in greek
[20:21] <wxl> oh i'm wrong
[20:21] <wxl> that's their loco channel too :)
[20:21] <wxl> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-gr/
[20:21] <wxl> have you tried to connect with them at all?
[20:21] <wxl> correct
[20:22] <wxl> that question from me was for you hikiko :)
[20:22] <hikiko--> well I know most of them
[20:22] <hikiko--> let me ask them to give some testimonials :p
[20:22] <Kilos> good idea
[20:22] <wxl> it looks like they're involved in the fosscomms too
[20:22] <elacheche_anis> Good idea hikiko-- :)
[20:22] <wxl> you should join the loco team!
[20:22] <wxl> it sounds like you're already working with them anyways!
[20:23] <PabloRubianes> LoCo teams usualy lack of strong tecnical people
[20:23] <wxl> absolutely!!!!
[20:23] <wxl> they desperately need them
[20:23] <elacheche_anis> So true.. You should try to get involved with them..
[20:23] <wxl> i can't read a word of greek but it seems like they're active
[20:23] <elacheche_anis> Are we good for vote, or there is more questions?
[20:24] <wxl> well it sounds like she's rounding up testimonials
[20:24] <Kilos> im in no hurry
[20:25] <wxl> oh wow they have ubuntu hours http://ubuntu-gr.org/story/30-06-15/ubuntu-hour-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%BF-%CE%B8%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%BF
[20:26] <wxl> ugh greek doesn't render into urls well apparently
[20:26] <hikiko--> in greece it’s 23:26
[20:26] <hikiko--> so there’s no much chance anyone replies
[20:27] <Kilos> aw
[20:30] <hikiko--> well, nobody replies :) I guess I can’t be an ubuntu member without testimonials right?
[20:31] <Kilos> sec hikiko--
[20:31] <Kilos> we will be with you soon
[20:31] <hikiko--> nooo\
[20:31] <elacheche_anis> Just a sec hikiko-- :)
[20:31] <Kilos> soory for the wait
[20:31] <hikiko--> I have one!!!
[20:31] <hikiko--> ok ok I wait but I have robert_ancell’s :D
[20:31] <elacheche_anis> Congrtas for that Testimonial hikiko-- :D
[20:32] <hikiko--> thanks again robert!!
[20:32] <robert_ancell> np
[20:35] <elacheche_anis> hikiko--: we still here :) Just seconds and will come back x) sorry for that :)
[20:36] <hikiko--> no worries :)
[20:39] <popey> hello
[20:39] <popey> sorry, i was afk
[20:39] <elacheche_anis> #voters popey
[20:39] <meetingology> Current voters: Kilos PabloRubianes elacheche_anis popey wxl
[20:39] <Kilos> HI popey
[20:39]  * popey catches up
[20:39] <popey> hi Kilos
[20:39] <hikiko--> hi popey
[20:41] <elacheche_anis> hikiko--: Work in progress :D
[20:41] <popey> I'd like to see a more comprehensive wiki page
[20:41] <hikiko--> no problem elacheche_anis
[20:41] <popey> we usually like to see more detail, and more testimonials typically
[20:42] <popey> loving your changes to nux/unity/compiz though :D
[20:42] <popey> I do wonder if maybe you're more likely to get membership via MOTU
[20:42] <popey> We usually direct developers that way.
[20:42] <hikiko--> what is the MOTU?
[20:42] <popey> You still get membership, but via a different route
[20:42] <popey> Masters Of The Universe
[20:43] <popey> Basically people who do predominantly development work
[20:43] <popey> as opposed to community outreach and advocacy
[20:43] <popey> Because there's a clear record of your development work
[20:43] <wxl> …the latter of which tends to be what we field
[20:43] <popey> So it should be a 'slam dunk' as they say in the USA :D
[20:44] <hikiko--> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU this motu?
[20:44] <popey> yes
[20:44] <popey> Check this out too. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard
[20:45] <popey> Does that seem more appropriate?
[20:45] <hikiko--> yes :) thanks popey
[20:46] <wxl> sorry for detaining you so long about this whole thing hikiko--
[20:46] <wxl> and thank you so much for all of your contributions!
[20:46] <popey> yeah, I'm terribly sorry for being late.
[20:46] <hikiko--> so, should I give up for the ubuntu membership and try to apply for the developer membership or it’s fine to apply for both?
[20:46] <Kilos> sorry hikiko-- keep up the good work and popin here now and again for a chat
[20:46] <popey> I'd go for developer membership
[20:46] <popey> it seems more appropriate
[20:46] <wxl> hikiko--: the dev board can approve you for ubuntu membership
[20:47] <Kilos> if you still want membership  here
[20:47] <elacheche_anis> If this can count as a good thing hikiko-- this is a 1st time we have all this discussion about 1 person that we realy want to approve but we can't becasue of rules..
[20:47] <popey> and they can review your work (better than any of us can) :D
[20:47] <Kilos> fix your wiki page
[20:47] <hikiko--> ok :) thank you
[20:47] <popey> Sorry for the confusion.
[20:47] <Kilos> add everything in it and reapply
[20:47] <popey> hikiko--: awesome.
[20:47] <hikiko--> no problem
[20:47] <popey> Super. Sorry for keeping you up late.
[20:48] <popey> Ok, any other topics to discuss?
[20:48] <Kilos> and hikiko-- hope to see you back here soon
[20:48] <wxl> i'm making a list of improvements from the previous discussion that i'll email out, so no popey. we can continue on there
[20:48] <hikiko--> sure Kilos thank you all :)
[20:48] <wxl> thank you so much hikiko-- !
[20:48] <elacheche_anis> OK, so just for the meetingology records, we are skipping votes becasue hikiko-- needs to apply for the Ubuntu Devel Membership
[20:48] <Kilos> :)
[20:49] <elacheche_anis> Keep the GREAT work hikiko--!
[20:50] <Kilos> hikiko-- look at other members wiki pages for some ideas on that is needed
[20:50] <elacheche_anis> Ping me when you apply for the Ubuntu Devel Membership, I'll be happy to say a HUGE CONGRATUALTIONS to you!
[20:50] <wxl> ditto hikiko--
[20:50] <Kilos> ditto elacheche_anis
[20:50] <wxl> i'd be more than happy to review your application
[20:50] <hikiko--> thank you guys I will apply soon!
[20:51] <PabloRubianes> cheers hikiko
[20:51] <Kilos> ty hikiko--
[20:51] <elacheche_anis> We probably should eng the meeting as there is no more applications for tonight!
[20:51] <elacheche_anis> #endmeeting
[20:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct  1 20:51:21 2015 UTC.
[20:51] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-10-01-20.03.moin.txt