[00:20] <you_c_this> Is there a way to get ssh to start after/when it boots?
[01:13] <JonathanFerguson> Am I able to edit the Bug Description of bug 1499636, to include that it was Android version 5.1.1?
[01:13] <ubot5`> bug 1499636 in Canonical System Image "Asus Nexus 7 (flo) ubuntu-device-flash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499636
[02:16] <dobey> JonathanFerguson: yes. however, if you want to straight flash a device with ubuntu-device-flash currently, you're going to have to flash the device to stock android 4.4 first. the android 5 kernel/recovery makes flashing not work with ubuntu-device-flash
[02:16] <dobey> anyway, it's late here. later :)
[02:18] <dobey> JonathanFerguson: boot to bootloader, flash android 4.4 onto the device, boot into android 4.4, reboot to bootloader, and then use ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap
[02:18] <dobey> and now, i'm really gone
[02:31] <amazoniantoad> If I install ubuntu touch on my phone do I have to do something special to set my phone back up with my carrier?
[02:34] <Stanley00> amazoniantoad: is that a carrier locked phone?
[02:34] <amazoniantoad> Stanley00: I didn't know such a thing existed. It's the s4 active
[02:34] <amazoniantoad> at&t
[02:39] <Stanley00> amazoniantoad: I'm not sure if ubuntu touch can be installed on locked phone. So just assume it's unlocked then.
[02:40] <amazoniantoad> Stanley00: well where can I get an update about ubuntu touch? I just want to know how it is coming along and see how functional it is before I commit to it
[02:40] <Stanley00> amazoniantoad: normally, a full adb backup of your phone and an official rom + the official flashing tools are always needed incase there's any problem while install ubuntu-touch
[02:41] <Stanley00> amazoniantoad: maybe you can check the changelog in this channel's topic
[02:41] <amazoniantoad> Stanley00: will it be the full ubuntu OS? Like could I still install the same software I install on my desktop pc on the touch OS? I want to throw it on my touchscreen laptop
[02:41] <amazoniantoad> Stanley00: ah
[02:43] <Stanley00> amazoniantoad: ubuntu-touch is different to ubuntu-desktop at the moment. the recommend way to install apps is through app store, and there're just a few apps there, you can check the app list here https://uappexplorer.com/
[02:43] <amazoniantoad> 503 error
[02:43] <amazoniantoad> Well that's a shame
[02:44] <Stanley00> amazoniantoad: there's also apt-get way, but it consider a hack, and not for daily use
[02:44] <Stanley00> amazoniantoad: ah, sorry about that 503 :(
[02:45] <amazoniantoad> Stanley00: Is there any way to get a real desktop on the touch? Kind of like what windows has done. Where you can go through the simpler GUI or switch to the Desktop mode
[02:46] <Stanley00> amazoniantoad: just connect a mouse or keyboard to ubuntu phone and it will switch to *window* mode automatically
[02:46] <ahoneybun> amazoniantoad: the Ubuntu ON AIR Community Q&A is a good place as well
[02:46] <ahoneybun> or planet.ubuntu.com
[02:46] <ahoneybun> developers post there from time to time
[02:46] <ahoneybun> as well as normal userd
[02:46] <ahoneybun> *users
[02:47] <amazoniantoad> Stanley00: well that's troublesome if you install it on a touchscreen laptop
[02:47] <amazoniantoad> Hope I can manually change it
[02:47] <amazoniantoad> ahoneybun: thanks for the info
[02:48] <ahoneybun> I have the Nexus 4 loaded with Ubuntu and mess with it on some days, (not my daily driver atm
[02:48] <Stanley00> amazoniantoad: doesn't laptop already have a keyboad? and yes, you can change that manually too
[02:48] <ahoneybun> amazoniantoad: you can load it in a LXD on Ubuntu 15.04 and onwards
[02:49] <ahoneybun> *LXC
[02:49] <amazoniantoad> I'm so pumped for this thing
[02:49] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity8inLXC
[02:49] <amazoniantoad> haha
[02:49] <ahoneybun> I used a month or so ago and it worked OK
[02:49] <Stanley00> amazoniantoad: if it is a laptop? why not just install the desktop version of ubuntu then?
[02:49] <ahoneybun> might be better now
[02:50] <amazoniantoad> Stanley00: it is actually a tablet/ultrabook
[02:50] <amazoniantoad> The keyboard slides out
[02:50] <amazoniantoad> Stanley00: sony vaio duo 11
[02:53] <Stanley00> amazoniantoad: yeah, but ubuntu-touch and ubuntu-desktop is two different thing now. You need to wait for a while for ubuntu-touch coverage. Me recommend is that you just install ubuntu-desktop on your tablet.
[03:38] <ahoneybun> having a device with better hardware and screen would be AMAZING for the US
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> i just ordered bq 4.5 black
[03:46] <lotuspsychje> from nearby webshops, 3-5 days delivery
[03:47] <Stanley00> lotuspsychje: congratz! :3
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> tnx Stanley00
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> Stanley00: did alot change since bq started?
[03:48] <Stanley00> lotuspsychje: I'm not sure, maybe not so much for an end-user like me.
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> ok :p
[04:01] <ahoneybun> lotuspsychje: the company or Ubuntu?
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> ahoneybun: bq aquarius 4.5 ubuntu touch
[04:04] <ahoneybun> lotuspsychje: your asking how the software changed then
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> ahoneybun: yes
[04:04] <lotuspsychje> did alot changed since bq launched
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> battery life n such
[04:05] <ahoneybun> the platform has gotten a lot more stable I think, and a few features like Hotspot have been added
[04:05] <ahoneybun> I hear the MX4 has great battery life, I don't have the BQ or MX4 to test
[04:05] <ahoneybun> would be really useless in the US
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> ah right
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> im from europe :p
[04:06] <ahoneybun> yep lots of options there
[04:07] <ahoneybun> only the Nexus 4 or 5 here
[04:10] <Stanley00> lotuspsychje: well, battery life is almost double on BQ since OTA4 or 5, it's long before MX4 launched
[04:10] <mikekay> Does any of you use rc-proposed or devel?
[04:12] <Stanley00> mikekay: /me on rc-proposed now
[04:13] <mikekay> Okay. Some apps (e.g. Document Viewer and System Settings) are not full screen. Do you know why? Is that by design?
[04:14] <lotuspsychje> nice Stanley00
[04:18] <Stanley00> mikekay: I don't know. What apps? can you give a screenshot?
[04:18] <mikekay> Yeah. Give me a sec.
[04:23] <mikekay> Here: http://oi59.tinypic.com/27xe6gi.jpg
[04:24] <ahoneybun> so that's on a tablet
[04:24] <mikekay> The device is a Nexus 7.
[04:24] <mikekay> Yes. It may be part of the "side stage feature".
[04:25] <mikekay> This landed on proposed a few months ago, and doesn't seem to ever be updated.
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> mikekay: nexus7 works best with devel-prposed
[04:28] <ahoneybun> I thought I saw somethings land
[04:28] <mikekay> Devel-proposed is depreciated
[04:28] <mikekay> Plus it was the same there as well.
[04:28] <lotuspsychje> mikekay: im running devel-proposed like a charm on my n7
[04:29] <mikekay> Anyway, there seems to be no way to fullscreen this app. I am not sure whether to file a bug report right now.
[04:29] <Stanley00> mikekay: well, I just have an ubuntu phone, not sure how it'll work on tablet :(
[04:30] <mikekay> I am pretty sure it is depreciated on the tablet.
[04:30] <mikekay> Let me check.
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> mikekay: that tinypic is normal
[04:34] <mikekay> Can't find it atm. But it was on the mailing list in like august.
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> mikekay: its because a tablet should be in landscape mode
[04:34] <lotuspsychje> mikekay: its the same on devel-proposed
[04:34] <mikekay> Yeah, but the app takes only half the screen.
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> like i say
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> thats normal
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> same for hotmail, system settings
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> etc
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> nexus7 is a smaller device so
[04:35] <lotuspsychje> on a bigger tablet this all would make sense
[04:35] <mikekay> I see. Is there any way to make them full screen? If not, it seems like a bug.
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> its not a bug
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> its normal behaviour
[04:38] <mikekay> Ok, understood. I presume the app developer determines whether their app is "side stage" compatible. Right?
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> i think so yes
[04:38] <mikekay> (Assuming the feature is called side stage).
[04:38] <lotuspsychje> not sure whats the correct name of this
[04:41] <mikekay> Side Stage is the name.
[04:44] <mikekay> Yeah, it seems that app developers chose side stage functionality. Pity that the UI doesn't allow for side stage'd apps to become fullscreen -- e.g. via a leftward drag.
[04:45] <lotuspsychje> mikekay: yeah for pdf that would be great
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> did you try turn unlock on pdf
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> and turn device
[04:55] <lotuspsychje> try out devel-proposed mikekay
[05:43] <Amrut> Help needed
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> Amrut: ask
[05:45] <Amrut> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12615760/
[05:46] <Amrut> blank screen with blinking cursor
[05:46] <Amrut> No problem while using the live cd
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> Amrut: sounds like a question for #ubuntu
[05:47] <Amrut> Shows login page if I insert CD (ASUS Motherboard / P5RD1-VM ATI Radeon Xpress 200 Chipset Support CD Rev.163.05 – 64-bit computing support – M802)
[05:47] <lotuspsychje> Amrut: join #ubuntu
[05:47] <Amrut> ok thanks
[07:44] <guest56723> how can install ubuntu cope apps on 15.10? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[07:58] <tsdgeos> hmmm, how do i flash a mx4?
[07:58] <tsdgeos> 2015/10/01 09:57:39 Device is |k95v2|
[07:58] <tsdgeos> Device k95v2 not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/meizu.en
[07:58] <tsdgeos> ogra: ↑ ?
[08:00] <Stanley00> tsdgeos: from this url https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices, mx4 has code name  m75/arale, not k95v2
[08:00] <tsdgeos> Stanley00: well it came from us in a box saying mx4
[08:01] <tsdgeos> i'd hope canonical to know what it's shipping me
[08:02] <tsdgeos> but maybe not :/
[08:02] <Stanley00> tsdgeos: well, google said that codename actually is a MX4, but maybe with flyme 0s
[08:02] <Stanley00> *Flyme OS*
[08:02] <tsdgeos> that looks like it
[08:02] <tsdgeos> it has lots of chinese in it
[08:03] <tsdgeos> wonder if i need to flash android into it first
[08:03] <Stanley00> tsdgeos: in that case, it may be different than MX4 ubuntu edition, but I'm not sure about this.
[08:04] <tsdgeos> it not the "Ubuntu Edition" for sure, we don't get the "official" release devices to play with
[08:04] <tsdgeos> but still get to install the stuff into it
[08:06] <Stanley00> tsdgeos: I found this one, looks like a bad news for you, http://news.softpedia.com/news/buying-a-meizu-mx4-with-android-to-flash-ubuntu-is-not-a-good-idea-485495.shtml
[08:09] <tsdgeos> Stanley00: that's for non canonical people, we know how to flash it
[08:09] <tsdgeos> just needed to find someone to tell me how :D
[08:10] <guest56723> tsdgeos, what buttons has one to push for ubuntu core apps ppa to has 15.10 builds? https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[08:10] <tsdgeos> guest56723: no idea sorry
[08:11] <tsdgeos> popey: maybe? ↑
[08:11] <guest56723> tsdgeos, yep it's probably popey s fault
[08:11] <guest56723> thanks tsdgeos
[08:12] <Stanley00> tsdgeos: first, you may need to unlock boot loader, repartition with mtk flash tool, and then you may need to make a channel for it, as in this mailling list? https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg13078.html
[08:13] <Stanley00> tsdgeos: disclaim, I'm just an end user. Do it at your own risk :3
[08:13] <Stanley00> I got to go now, see you later. And good luck.
[08:13] <tsdgeos> Stanley00: i got the instructions already, do not worry
[08:34] <guest123124> uh, webbrowser-app locked my pc :/ (x11/nouveau)
[09:14] <mcphail> Would anyone be kind enough to confirm a bug for me?
[09:14] <mcphail> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1501668
[09:14] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1501668 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "ListItem leadingActions have odd behaviour" [Undecided,New]
[10:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy International Coffee Day! 😃  🍵
[10:27] <mpt> How do I copy an arbitrary file, requested by an engineer/triager, off the phone? I couldn’t find the answer at <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Bugs>
[10:27] <mpt> I guess it’s an adb command…
[10:29] <guest42315> mpt, cp the file to ~/Desktop (then open nautilus)
[10:30] <mpt> guest42315, well, sure, I could cp if I knew where the phone is on the fileystem :-)
[10:31] <guest42315> use the usb cable, connect the phone to pc and it will auto mount
[10:32] <mpt> Yes it does
[10:32] <guest42315> you can then access desktop pictures videos etc from nautilus
[10:32] <mpt> guest42315, right, but the file I want to copy is in /var/, which is (for good reason) not exposed in Nautilus
[10:32] <guest42315> adb shell
[10:33] <guest42315> cp /var/random_file ~/Desktop
[10:33] <guest42315> done
[10:33] <guest42315> or use pull
[10:34] <mpt> I thought “adb pull /var/log/system-image/client.log client.log” would help, but it just says “error: closed”
[10:34] <guest42315> adb pull <remote> [<local>]  - copy file/dir from device
[10:34] <guest42315> mpt, enable developer mode on the phone
[10:34] <mpt> remote object '/var/log/system-image/client.log' does not exist
[10:34] <mpt> Developer Mode is on :-)
[10:35] <mpt> The file does exist, because inside adb shell I can run “less” on it
[10:36] <guest42315> try pull after connected?
[10:36] <mpt> “remote object '/var/log/system-image/client.log' does not exist”
[10:37] <guest42315> try the easy way.. just cp /var/log/system-image/client.log ~/Desktop
[10:37] <guest42315> then see in the ~/Desktop folder on the phone from nautilus
[10:38] <mpt> “cp: cannot create regular file ‘/home/phablet/Desktop/’: Not a directory”
[10:38] <guest42315> o_O
[10:38] <mpt> It has a point … I’ll try Documents/
[10:38] <guest42315> try that
[10:38] <mpt> wey-hey! that worked. Thanks guest42315
[10:39] <guest42315> mpt,  :D yay
[10:40] <mpt> Ah, I spoke too soon
[10:41] <mpt> Nautilus shows the file in the folder, but it can’t be read by anything. For example, gedit says “Unexpected error: libmtp error: Unknown error.”. And trying to copy it, Nautilus says “libmtp error:  Could not get file from device.”
[10:42] <guest42315> that's weird :/
[10:42] <seb128> mpt, what Ubuntu version do you use?
[10:42] <mpt> 14.04
[10:42] <seb128> the libmtp there doesn't know about your device
[10:42] <seb128> I just uploaded a SRU which update the list of devices
[10:43] <seb128> but that's not accepted/built yet
[10:43] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmtp/+bug/1376212
[10:43] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1376212 in libmtp (Ubuntu Trusty) "BQ Aquaris E4.5 Android Phone not recognised by libmtp" [High,In progress]
[10:43] <mpt> ahhhhhhh
[10:43] <mpt> thanks seb128 :-]
[10:43] <seb128> mpt, you can get working versions from https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team/+archive/ubuntu/tools
[10:43] <seb128> meanwhile
[10:44] <mpt> I smell a yak
[10:55] <jnxd> Hello, this is with reference to this bug about proxy on ubuntu phone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1452291. I am suffering heavily due to this bug. There is a workaround given somewhere where I edit the environment file to get the internet working. But even that works only for apps that use the webview, so I think it's just a chromium thing that fortunately got passed on here.
[10:55] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1452291 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu RTM) "Browser cannot use system proxy settings" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[10:59] <jnxd> I want to know, how deep into the ubuntu phone might I have to go to be able to fix this. Ideally, I'd like all apps to use a default proxy rather than try to connect straight to the internet, but I would be happy if I'm even able to get my app working, and can offer some snippets for any other app to start using.
[11:17] <seb128> mpt, hey, I commented on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1391077 with some questions (basically I think unity8 doesn't provide what we need to implement the design so wonder what's the best fallback option until that's done)
[11:17] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1391077 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Inappropriate notification of system update" [Low,New]
[11:55] <robjh> Hi. I've got a new mx4 and im trying to have a play with it. ive enabled writable mode. any calls to systemctl give me an error about failing to get a dbus connection. is there a special way of accessing it?
[11:57] <robjh> looks like it's still using service
[11:58] <robjh> awesome :D
[12:00] <jgdx> robjh, it's using upstart
[12:00] <robjh> jgdx: good to know, thank you :)
[12:01] <jgdx> robjh, what's the job you wanna handle?
[12:01] <robjh> sshd
[12:02] <robjh> i always forget my phone at work, if i can ssh to it, i can shut it down xD
[12:03] <jgdx> robjh, sudo initctl list #
[12:06] <robjh> the ssh service is running, i dont think its enabled on boot though
[12:15] <robjh> hahaha its working! xD
[12:17] <Paddy_NI> Hi I have been fruitlessly following this guide http://a25.co/ubuntu-phone-how-to-install-android/ in an effort to put android on the BQ Aquarius E4.5 (for the time being) and keep hitting a brick wall
[12:17] <Paddy_NI> Would anyone here know if I can use the firmware I have downloaded for the Android version of this device using simple fastboot/adb commands
[12:18] <Paddy_NI> The BQ flash tool is pretty poor
[12:19] <jgdx> ogra, ^ you know?
[12:22] <tathhu> All I know it worked when I had E5 :P
[12:22] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[13:09] <kenvandine> seb128, sorry i hadn't seen your branch fixing the desktop file lookup, glad to see a fix for that bug :)
[13:10] <kenvandine> seb128, i'll get your branch landed now so it's in ota7
[13:10] <kenvandine> seb128, but... that code won't work for apps in the libertine container, so i'll figure out why my branch didn't work and get that landed post ota7
[13:11] <kenvandine> that's why i used UAL to get the desktop file, it should work for all apps, even in the containers :)
[13:11] <seb128> kenvandine, sure, I've no idea how libertine and the api you used work
[13:11] <seb128> I just went for the easy change
[13:11] <kenvandine> understood
[13:11] <kenvandine> and that works great for today :)
[13:12] <seb128> :-)
[13:12] <seb128> btw any reason you didn't include some of my fixes in the recent update?
[13:12] <kenvandine> maybe that id doesn't include the pkg and version?
[13:12] <seb128> like the cmake hackery to files listed in qtcreator
[13:12] <kenvandine> i haven't landed anything in settings...
[13:12] <kenvandine> not recently
[13:12] <seb128> you did while I was on holidays
[13:12] <seb128> some weeks ago
[13:12] <kenvandine> ah
[13:13] <kenvandine> i was keeping landings down to a few branches at a time
[13:13] <seb128> k
[13:13] <kenvandine> sorry :)
[13:13] <seb128> no worry, I just noticed it was still pending
[13:13] <kenvandine> i need to do another landing
[13:13] <seb128> and it's a no change for runtime
[13:13] <seb128> so seems like easy to include
[13:13] <kenvandine> right, that's probably why i deferred it
[13:14] <seb128> kenvandine, and yeah, the non-click packages appid is not versioned
[13:14] <seb128> it's unity8-dash iirc for the dash
[13:14] <kenvandine> right... so i guess the id in this case isn't versioned
[13:14] <kenvandine> so i need to resolve that
[13:14] <kenvandine> should be an easy fix
[13:15] <kenvandine> but not important for ota7
[13:15] <seb128> right
[13:17] <kenvandine> i recently discovered the ubuntu_app_launch_application_info and have found it very useful in my work on containers and content-hub :)
[13:17] <kenvandine> seb128, i have a branch that shows legacy apps in the container in the peer picker :)
[13:18] <seb128> kenvandine, great!
[13:29] <jnxd> Hello, this is with reference to this bug about proxy on ubuntu phone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oxide/+bug/1452291. I am suffering heavily due to this bug. There is a workaround given somewhere where I edit the environment file to get the internet working. But even that works only for apps that use the webview, so I think it's just a chromium thing that fortunately got passed on here.
[13:29] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1452291 in webbrowser-app (Ubuntu RTM) "Browser cannot use system proxy settings" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:30] <jnxd> I want to know, how deep into the ubuntu phone might I have to go to be able to fix this. Ideally, I'd like all apps to use a default proxy rather than try to connect straight to the internet, but I would be happy if I'm even able to get my app working, and can offer some snippets for any other app to start using.
[13:54] <pmcgowan> oSoMoN, thoughts on the bug above? why is the proxy not just used
[13:56] <mhall119> sil2100: do we have  new click framework name for what's in the overlay PPA?
[13:56] <sil2100> mhall119: there's 15.04 and the 15.04.1 framework
[13:57] <oSoMoN> pmcgowan, jnxd: as pointed out by mpt in the bug report, this is an issue in network-manager
[13:57] <sil2100> And that's basically it
[13:57] <mhall119> sil2100: ok, so 15.04.1 has the Ubuntu.Components 1.3?
[13:57] <sil2100> mhall119: yeah, OTA-7 will be the first stable image to ship with this framework
[13:58] <pmcgowan> oSoMoN, on desktop as well? seems odd
[13:59] <oSoMoN> pmcgowan, yes, we can’t expect every single application out there to check for system settings to use the proxy, this should be transparent for apps
[13:59] <pmcgowan> oSoMoN, agreed just surprised its not already that way
[14:00] <mpt> It’s been that way for eleven years and counting :-]
[14:00] <jnxd> oSoMoN: Is there ANYTHING that can be done, apart from wait? It renders my phone more or less useless.
[14:01] <oSoMoN> jnxd, unfortunately I’m not aware of any way to work around this issue, but network-managers devs would know
[14:01] <oSoMoN> cyphermox, awe_ ^^
[14:02] <cyphermox> proxy currently has nothing to do with NM
[14:03] <cyphermox> if oxide doesn't follow proxy settings, that's bug and I'd argue a pretty important one at that, too
[14:03] <jnxd> pmcgowan, oSoMoN: at least on GNOME, almost all my apps are using the same proxy settings, which I had set in the the Network part of GNOME Settings
[14:05] <oSoMoN> so every single app has to implement proxy settings? that’s insane
[14:05] <oSoMoN> this should be transparent
[14:05] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: oSoMoN: on the desktop, applications are all able to seemlessly use proxy settings because they all use some library or framework which understands it, such as libsoup.
[14:05] <jnxd> cyphermox: from what I gather of oxide, it is the thing that allows chromium to work. All apps using webview are working.
[14:05] <cyphermox> jnxd: so apps work but not the browser?
[14:06] <jnxd> even browser works, but the proxy settings had to be done through terminal in /etc/environment
[14:06] <cyphermox> ah
[14:06] <jnxd> however, apps like telegram, or the scopes don't work
[14:06] <cyphermox> that certainly clarifies it
[14:06] <oSoMoN> jnxd, ah, thanks, I hadn’t understood that
[14:07] <cyphermox> I'm not surprised gsettings won't help you here
[14:07] <jnxd> the youtube scope is peculiar: it seemingly can gather metadata about videos, but cannot play them
[14:08] <cyphermox> so the bug probably should be updated to have a task for each bit that doesn't work
[14:08] <oSoMoN> yes, definitely
[14:08] <cyphermox> and we'd need a different wishlist bug for "implement proxy controls in system settings"
[14:08] <jnxd> There pretty surely needs to be a GUI, preferably one that can change per connection
[14:10] <cyphermox> jnxd: one day you'll have the per-connection part in NM, but there isn't proxy integration yet, not even on desktop
[14:10] <jnxd> cyphermox: I realize that
[14:10] <cyphermox> maybe it's doable on the phone some other way, but it probably should go through NM, it would be the logical way to do it
[14:11] <jnxd> cyphermox: I'm sorry I'm illiterate in these regards :/
[14:11] <cyphermox> no worries
[14:12] <cyphermox> jnxd: the proxy situation is complicated
[14:12] <cyphermox> nobody had the time to spend on properly fixing that in NM -- it's on the todo list upstream though
[14:13] <jnxd> cyphermox: But it's important, at least as far as my college experience goes.
[14:13] <cyphermox> oh, you have that issue in college?
[14:13] <cyphermox> that's unexpected, it usually is far more common in large enterprises
[14:14] <jnxd> cyphermox: yes. both my masters and bachelors institutes use proxy settings
[14:14] <cyphermox> ah
[15:16] <bretth> Hey all!  I have a quick question about scope development.
[15:17] <davidcalle> bretth, shoot!
[15:17] <bretth> Is it possible to set up some cards or categories to not go to the preview screen when clicked?
[15:18] <davidcalle> bretth, no, only the apps scope is allowed to do this AFAIK
[15:19] <davidcalle> Saviq ^
[15:20] <Saviq> bretth, correct, the apps scope is an unfortunate exception, otherwise users would not know if tapping on a result would get them more info or take them somewhere else completely
[15:22] <bretth> That makes sense.  Then, is there a way to set up multiple preview layouts and have different categories go to different layouts?
[15:24] <dobey> bretth: you can add extra metadata to the result, and in your preview function just change what widgets you show based on that
[15:25] <bretth> That works.  Thanks for the help!
[15:56] <mcphail> Would anyone be kind enough to check and/or confirm a UI bug for me? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1501668
[15:56] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1501668 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "ListItem leadingActions have odd behaviour" [Undecided,New]
[16:04] <ahayzen> mcphail, is that the same as bug 1486008 ?
[16:04] <ubot5`> bug 1486008 in Ubuntu UX "[sdk] leading actions width is too small making it very difficult to press" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486008
[16:04] <pmcgowan> mcphail, not seeing it here the item always deletes
[16:04] <mcphail> ahayzen: don't _think_ so. Easily big enough to press
[16:05] <mcphail> pmcgowan: that is interesting. Are you on dev channel?
[16:05] <ahayzen> mcphail, the bug is that the *mousearea* is too small .. visually yes its too small but it infact dismisses rather than selecting
[16:05] <ahayzen> mcphail, and yeah its not scheduled to land until OTA7, we're blocking on music and weather because of it :-/
[16:06] <mcphail> ahayzen: maybe that is it, then
[16:07] <mcphail> ahayzen: definiy seems to follow the behaviour in my bug report though. Clickiness depends on how far the item is dragged
[16:07] <ahayzen> mcphail, or are you saying that if you don't drag it far enough you don't even get a chance to click ?
[16:08] <mcphail> ahayzen: you get a chance to click, but the icon just disappears after the click. The "delete" action doesn't happen
[16:08] <ahayzen> ah yeah that sounds like the same thing, i think
[16:09] <mcphail> ahayzen: nice to see it might be fixed already, then. Cheers!
[16:09] <ahayzen> hopefully :-)
[16:35] <tathhu> ayy
[16:36] <tathhu> Damn, another day without ubuntu phone, tomorrow it is ^^
[17:16] <robjh> can the released version of mir display x-windows?
[17:18] <robjh> and on an unrelated note; has super tux been ported yet?
[17:19] <popey> yes
[17:19] <k1l> there is some work on xMir
[17:27] <robjh> i did a google for an x11 hello world program and found this: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~mcbryan/5229.03/mail/35.htm I've got it to compile but so far i've had no luck running it :p
[17:28] <popey> you wont, the phone doesn't have X11 on it
[17:30] <robjh> thats why i asked if the released version of mir can display x-windows
[17:35] <dobey> no version of mir can. xmir can translate X calls to be displayed on mir
[17:36] <dobey> the xmir package is built from the xorg-server source package, not from mir source :)
[17:37] <robjh> oooh okay
[17:37] <dobey> and xmir is not part of the phone images yet.
[17:43] <robjh> trying to break the device like this is a lot of fun :p
[17:43] <popey> It is!
[17:43] <dobey> until it breaks :)
[17:43] <robjh> it'll either succeed, or i'll accidentally end up running xfce
[17:45] <robjh> if it breaks, then i get to learn all about fixing it xD
[17:53] <kenvandine> seb128, i just noticed that falldown now has a setting for tilt sensitivity, you can adjust it now!
[17:54] <robjh> im poking unity with a pointy kill command to see what happens. it just restarts
[17:57] <robjh> is there something i can read about writing a scope?
[18:03] <robjh> i found this https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/scopes/cpp/current/
[18:03] <popey> robjh: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/scopes/tutorials/
[18:03] <robjh> ahh, thank you :)
[18:05] <seb128> kenvandine, nice!
[18:11] <kenvandine> seb128, now maybe i can beat your highscore :)
[18:13] <Robert_Zenz> I'm hav trouble with Telepathy. I've uninstalled, but on every update its updates are included (which obviously reinstalls it again).
[18:13] <Robert_Zenz> Has somebody seen that before?
[18:16] <pmcgowan> Robert_Zenz, updates are image based and do not honor apt changes
[18:17] <Robert_Zenz> pmcgowan, so the apps that came bundled with the phone will always be updated even if I remove them?
[18:19] <mterry> awe_, is there a planned silo for that PropertiesChanged bug?
[18:19] <mterry> (for ota7?)
[18:23] <awe_> mterry, just starting on it now.  Silo for vivid expected hopefully tomorrow...
[18:24] <mterry> awe_, sweet.  If you need any help (like testing or whatever) let me know
[18:24] <awe_> thanks, will do
[19:08] <mariogrip> qmuxd cannot connect to /dev/smdcntl0. (Connection timed out) anyone have an idea why?
[19:10] <mariogrip> awe_: I am pretty stuck with this issue... ^
[19:12] <mariogrip> Here is strace of qmuxd https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/57wdijyv/
[19:13] <tathhu> Can I already import contacts from .vcf? :P
[19:14] <mariogrip> *this is the correct paste for qmuxd, the other one was rmt_storage... https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jgxCAVLL/
[19:19] <ahoneybun> hey mariogrip
[19:19] <mariogrip> hay
[19:19] <ahoneybun> anyone with a nexus 10 ?
[19:20] <popey> i doubt anyone has booted a nexus 10 recently
[19:20] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: how's the oneplus one?
[19:20] <popey> it's not top of the list
[19:20] <ahoneybun> damn
[19:20] <popey> mariogrip: I saw ~200 people in a pub last night queueing for a OnePlus 2 invite
[19:20] <ahoneybun> I see there is a devel and devel-proposed channel
[19:20] <popey> it was ridiculous
[19:20] <popey> in a hipster part of london
[19:21]  * ahoneybun notes popey is a hipster
[19:21] <popey> maybe I'm just jealous because we don't get demand like that ;)
[19:21] <popey> haha
[19:21] <popey> I am _so_ not a hipster :)
[19:21] <ahoneybun> OnePlus Two is stupid
[19:21] <ahoneybun> OnePlus One is better
[19:21] <mariogrip> wuut, the Opt is awesome :D
[19:21] <ahoneybun> one word
[19:21] <ahoneybun> NFC
[19:22] <mariogrip> hahah, when was last time u use nfc?
[19:22] <ahoneybun> everyday
[19:22] <mariogrip> well, then
[19:22] <ahoneybun> I have NFC stickers around the house and in my car
[19:22] <ahoneybun> and Android Pay
[19:23] <ahoneybun> might be the reason I can't use Ubuntu
[19:23] <mariogrip> well, for me i never use nfc so the two is perfect
[19:23] <ahoneybun> Touch anyway
[19:23] <mariogrip> usb c <3
[19:23] <awe_> mariogrip, it looks like the open to the device succeeds; I only see errors for hsictl0
[19:24] <awe_> never mind
[19:24] <awe_> I missed it
[19:24] <mariogrip> hsictl0 is Bluetooth i believe
[19:26] <ahoneybun> guess I need a Nexus 7 more then anything popey
[19:26] <awe_> looks like smd is a qualcomm 'shared memory packet driver' ( smdpkt )
[19:27] <awe_> qmuxd is !FOSS, right?
[19:27] <awe_> my guess is that if it's failed, then something's not write in the device tarball / container boot
[19:28] <awe_> have you tried looking at the radio logcat?
[19:28] <awe_> ( if that works )
[19:28] <mariogrip> logcat -b radio =  https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/KPxbhw6M/
[19:29] <mariogrip> but it gets E_RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE due to qmuxd (mux)
[19:30] <dobey> Robert_Zenz: yes, the system is based on image updates. enabling read/write and trying to update with apt will break your phone, and if you try to install other things, you'll probably find yourself with a full / partition fairly fast. also, telepathy is required for SMS to work. if you want to install other packages with apt to play with, you need to use a chroot
[19:30] <awe_> mariogrip, if youre sure about that ( RADIO_UNAVAIL coming from the qmux failure ), then I'd look at the init files inside the container.  See if there's anything that touches qmuxd, or the devices involved
[19:31] <Robert_Zenz> dobey, uhg, my bad, I meant Telegram...
[19:31] <awe_> also... I'd take a close look at the syslog, especially during the boot sequence
[19:31] <awe_> see if anything jumps out at you and/or is related to the smd driver
[19:31] <Robert_Zenz> doanac, I uninstalled Telegram and it keeps coming back...
[19:32] <dobey> Robert_Zenz: oh, once you uninstall that, it shouldn't automatically re-appear (but you're not going to free up storage space by removing it)
[19:32] <dobey> Robert_Zenz: that's a bug
[19:32] <popey> depends how you are measuring "coming back"
[19:32] <dobey> Robert_Zenz: please file a bug about it
[19:32] <popey> if the icon keeps re-appearing in a system update?
[19:32] <dobey> popey: if it reappears in the apps scope after being uninstalled, it's a bug
[19:32] <popey> agreed
[19:32] <popey> thats why i asked
[19:33] <Robert_Zenz> dobey, popey, I uninstalled it, but the system updates keep proposing updates for it (which of course reinstalls it when applied).
[19:33] <popey> how did you uninstall it?
[19:33] <dobey> that's a bug. individual app updates shouldn't be shown for apps that were uninstalled
[19:34] <Robert_Zenz> popey, "normal", long press on icon -> Uninstall.
[19:34] <dobey> actuallly, i have a bug open about this already
[19:34] <dobey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1314382
[19:34] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1314382 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Updates shown for pre-installed apps which have been uninstalled" [Low,Confirmed]
[19:35] <dobey> so it'd be that bug
[19:35] <mariogrip> awe_: here is full syslog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12634215/
[19:38] <Robert_Zenz> dobey, I'm not sure fi it was pre-installed, but thanks for that. I'll keep an eye on the bug.
[19:40] <dobey> Robert_Zenz: what device are you on?
[19:40] <dobey> and channel, if you switched to a different image updates channel
[19:42] <Robert_Zenz> dobey, Nexus 4.5 and no.
[19:43] <dobey> the google nexus 4, or the bq aquaris 4.5?
[19:47] <Robert_Zenz> dobey, maybe I should go to bed or something... bq aquaris 4.5, right...
[19:47] <dobey> ok, yes, telegram comes installed by default on the ubuntu edition of that phone, i'm pretty sure
[19:48] <Robert_Zenz> dobey, okay, than that's the bug you've filed. Thank you very much.
[19:53] <awe_> mariogrip, nothing jumping out at me in the syslog...  Again, I'd advise taking a look at whether anything changed in the container boot sequence vs. straight CM
[19:54] <awe_> mariogrip, also in the qmuxd strace output
[19:54] <awe_> I see errors for two /sys files for the modem
[19:54] <mariogrip> but, can it be a problem with the kernel? a driver or something
[19:54] <awe_> rmnet_ctl_ch
[19:55] <awe_> so you're using a kernel based off the CM port, right?
[19:55] <awe_> my guess is that it's a missing configuration file
[19:56] <awe_> or it could be something like a bad change to the init.rc involving modem devices, permissions, ...
[19:56] <awe_> my gut tells me it's more along those lines
[19:56] <mariogrip> no, im using this https://github.com/OnePlusOSS/android_kernel_oneplus_msm8994 but it has the same config as cm has
[19:56] <awe_> ( ie something wrong in device tarball; not the kernel )
[19:57] <awe_> but the only way to tell is to either (a) start looking at the driver source
[19:57] <mariogrip> I have set all to run with the root user in init.rc so there should not be any permission errors
[19:57] <awe_> or (b) compare a CM image ( or other AOSP image ); and instrument qmuxd there
[19:58] <awe_> I'm just tossing ideas out there
[19:58] <mariogrip> yeah
[19:58] <awe_> without a device and/or source code for qmuxd, I'm left at educated guessing
[19:58] <awe_> wish I could offer more
[19:59] <mariogrip> yeah, this is been a hard nut to crack... i have been working on it for months xP
[20:01] <awe_> mariogrip, another idea would be to take a look at mako for comparison.  It includes qmuxd, and has the smd driver
[20:01] <awe_> again, when we did the mako port, we started with a working rild
[20:03] <awe_> anyways, I have to prep some MPs for OTA7, so gotta get back to it.  If I have any other ideas, I'll let you know.  You could also reach out on the mailing list, might get some more eyeballs on the problem
[20:03] <mariogrip> Yeah, ill try that. that might work due to qmuxd is already working there
[20:03] <awe_> indeed
[20:03] <mariogrip> but thanks! :D
[20:03] <awe_> yw
[22:58] <mariogrip> awe_: this seems promising don't it? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/aiYnRlja/