[12:38] <qwebirc84252> hello, I'm looking for a ubuntu-based/derivative 32-bit i686 livecd that has a small ISO image file size <400MB that supports the "toram" option to copy all livecd contents into RAM for fast access on a computer with very limited amount of RAM (512MB).  also, the livecd that I need should have all of the linuxtv drivers, specifically for Hauppauge TV tuner PCI(e) cards.
[12:39] <qwebirc84252> lubuntu 32-bit i686 is 700+MB and so will not work for me.  does anyone know of a smaller live ISO image with all the linuxtv drivers on them?
[12:40] <qwebirc84252> also IINM, ubuntu based livecds are the only ones that support the "toram" live boot option to load contents of CD into memory for fast access.  but please correct me if I'm wrong on that.
[12:43] <qwebirc84252> and the livecd that I need does not need to have X loaded on it either...  as long as I can install emacs using "apt-get" and operate emacs within a virtual terminal.
[12:45] <NOOB> would a headless install work qwebirc84252
[12:45] <qwebirc84252> in fact with that limited amount of RAM, I prefer not to have the livecd which loads the X server with a desktop environment.
[12:46] <qwebirc84252> i cannot really install anything, since I do not have a disk to install to, and so the only thing I can do is run directly from live cd.
[12:46] <NOOB> no usb?
[12:47] <qwebirc84252> if I installed to USB (which would be USB2 on a super-old computer), things would run painfully slow.
[12:48] <qwebirc84252> by super-old, I really mean that - 15 years old.
[12:50] <qwebirc84252> and I need to be able to run record ATSC from the tuner cards using the commands 'scan', 'azap', 'dd'.  when I have tried this with lubuntu 32-bit livecd (without "toram" since 700+MB will not fit into 512 MB ram), things run very slow/stalled due to reads from the slow CDROM drive, and I am often ending up with greatly delayed recordings due to the slowness in responsiveness.
[12:51] <NOOB> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[12:51] <NOOB> and ssh into the headless install
[12:51] <qwebirc84252> does that run off of RAM?
[12:51] <NOOB> it can
[12:52] <NOOB> but seriously you dont need a ram install
[12:52] <NOOB> as it will cash what it needs
[12:52] <qzero> hi all
[12:52] <qwebirc84252> does it have all the (or atleast the hauppauge) linuxtv drivers preloaded on it?
[12:52] <NOOB> you can get them
[12:52] <NOOB> like apt-get them
[12:53] <NOOB> you can do command line right?
[12:53] <qwebirc84252> by that, do you mean that once the kernel is already loaded, I will have to manually install the linuxtv drivers?
[12:54] <qzero> i have a question. I install on my lubuntu box.... a numix theme icons....  now i want to change a single icon on my desktop  ( a link to app) ....How? I try to change with right clik, But it's impossibile to change any icons
[12:54] <qwebirc84252> right, but i'm not even sure what the package is that has those drivers on it, because very live-media I have ever used has the kernel packaged with all those linuxtv drivers pre-loaded on them.
[12:54] <NOOB> I am not sure if you will or not qwebirc84252
[12:54] <NOOB> but google will tell you the driver name
[12:54] <NOOB> and you can apt-get from the comandline, via ssh
[12:55] <NOOB> can you set up ssh?
[12:55] <qwebirc84252> right, I know the driver is cx18.  but I have no idea what package installs that (and the associated) kernel modules, again, since every distro I have used has them pre-loaded/pre-bundled with the kernel.
[12:56] <NOOB> do you have a full desktop right now?  look in synaptic
[12:56] <NOOB> it will tell you
[12:57] <NOOB> or go ask the DSL guys
[12:58] <qwebirc84252> so, DSL is a ubuntu derivitve with access to all of the ubuntu repository packages then?
[12:58] <NOOB> click the packages link
[12:58] <NOOB> it has apt
[12:59] <NOOB> but an install is like 15 min
[12:59] <NOOB> try it?
[13:00] <qwebirc84252> ok, so it does not come with apt-get pre-installed?
[13:02] <NOOB> irc://irc.freenode.net/damnsmalllinux  and it comes with apt-utils, which provide apt-get qwebirc84252
[13:03] <qwebirc84252> The driver that i'm in need of (cx18.ko) comes with the "linux-image-extra-3.19.0-15-generic" package, and I'm not sure if that is available in DSL..  is it?
[13:03] <NOOB> qzero: if you get an answer ping me please
[13:03] <NOOB> qwebirc84252: i cannot know.  i assume it is either in the repository, or can be added.  you could ask in that irc
[13:08] <qwebirc84252> because I have tried tiny core linux, which obviously did not have all those drivers preloaded, and had no clue as to how to install them... i think i will probably face the same problem with DSL.  what would be ideal for me is a smaller but yet fuller ubuntu-based live CD (around 200MB-400MB image file size) that has all of those drivers loaded on them.
[13:08] <qwebirc84252> and again I do not need X... so isnt ther some live distro (200MB<__<400MB) without X since the X server/apps/desktop take up a lot of image space I'm sure.
[13:08] <qwebirc84252> again, ubuntu-based live distro that supports "toram" boot option.
[13:10] <NOOB> did you read the dsl faq?
[13:12] <NOOB> did you look in synaptic?
[13:12] <NOOB> for cx18?
[13:14] <qwebirc84252> The driver that i'm in need of (cx18.ko) comes with the "linux-image-extra-3.19.0-15-generic" package, and I'm not sure if that is available in DSL
[13:15] <NOOB> did you ask in dsl irc?
[13:15] <qwebirc84252> yes, that I looked up using "dpkg --search" on another machine.
[13:15] <NOOB> if you wont help yourself...
[13:15] <NOOB> well in synaptic it shows it is part of "v4l-utils contains the following video4linux command line utilities:"
[13:17] <NOOB> so you could just download it and try to apt-get it, or add it to the repository
[13:17] <qwebirc84252> it seems like I will have to install a lot of stuff to get that DSL live image to work as I want... and thats just very daunting.. DSL is like a <50MB live distro .  I'm looking for a 200MB-400MB ubuntu-based live distro.  so, its not that I do not want to help myself..  its that I know I that even if I do succeed in getting it to work (which I think is pretty low chance), I will have to struggle a lot to get it to work.
[13:18] <qwebirc84252> I will also need to install emacs, sshfs, dvb-apps, etc...
[13:18] <NOOB> and each of thoes is just a comand line
[13:18] <NOOB> or were you looking for a distro that does everything you want, to do video capture on a 15 year old maching
[13:19] <NOOB> you could roll your own distro to support all thoes users
[13:20] <NOOB> or you could read the dsl faq
[13:20] <qwebirc84252> right, because i'm using a 12 year old machine with 1.5 GB of RAM with lubuntu loaded and recording TV easily since all of those drivers come preinstalled, and with the "toram" option for the entire 700MB ISO to be loaded into RAM for fast access.
[13:20] <NOOB> so you already have it working?
[13:21] <qwebirc84252> no this is another 12-year old machine.  i'm tring to get it to work on the 15 year old machine.
[13:22] <qwebirc84252> 15 year old machine has 512MB of ram which is 1/3rd of what i have on the 12-year old machine, and prevents me from loading lubuntu live with "toram" option.
[13:22] <qwebirc84252> i have multiple (PCI, not PCIe) TV tuner cards.
[13:25] <qwebirc84252> and again, when I tried loading lubuntu live on the 15-year old machine, it would stall so much with the command line due to slow reading from the CDRROM that I would be 15-30 seconds late on most recordings, missing the first part of most programs I'm trying to record.
[13:26] <qwebirc84252> i'm almost 100% sure that i will not have that problem with the entire ISO loaded into ram with "toram" option... assuming that I am able to find one which has a resaonable amount of packages that I need already installed on them.
[13:36] <qwebirc84252> NOOB: I appreciate your help, but DSL, TCL, etc. are just too small of distros that I will have to struggle to get get to work the way I want.  I don't want something that is that minimal.  I want something that is somewhere inbetween - something that is more minimal than lubuntu (espcially since I do not need X, but not so minimal as to make my job much harder).  but again, i appreciate your info.  i will try to look more for o
[13:37] <NOOB> did you read the dsl faq?
[13:43] <qwebirc84252> from what i'm reading in the DSL faq, installing (any) packages is far more complicated than a simple 'apt-get install ...'
[13:58] <qwebirc84252> again, nothing against DSL, because i'm sure it is just perfect for what it is geared for, the super-minimal desktop.  but I need to record a program that starts in ~2 hours time, and I'm 100% sure that getting everything working the I want it with DSL, will take longer than that.
[14:13] <holstein> !mini
[14:13] <holstein> not sure if it *needs* to be a live iso, you one can just build a system, as needed, and clone it.. adding whatever options.. "toram" or whatever
[15:40] <alkisg> Hi, in lubuntu wily beta 2, I have two network icons, two language icons, yet no language indicator... is the tray mess known?
[16:17] <krytarik> alkisg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/Beta2/Lubuntu#LXDE - and 'indicator-keyboard', as many indicators, is not installed by default in Lubuntu.
[16:22] <alkisg> krytarik: the remarks there do not match what I'm seeing,
[16:23] <alkisg> in LP #1468854, the screenshot shows a blue "SP"
[16:23] <alkisg> I'm not seeing a language indicator at all,
[16:23] <alkisg> I installed indicator-keyboard, let me see if I can manually add it...
[16:25] <alkisg> Hmm no I can't find how to add a keyboard layout indicator with indicator-keyboard
[16:26] <alkisg> I got it, but it doesn't detect my layouts... :-/
[16:28] <alkisg> ...maybe it needs a reboot...
[16:29] <alkisg> Yey, a reboot did it
[16:30] <alkisg> And this is supposed to be done by each and every user?!!!
[16:30] <alkisg> And why are the two duplicate keyboard indicators doing there by default, which do not show the layout?!!!
[16:31] <ianorlin> alkisg: it is a bug that is known
[16:31] <alkisg> ianorlin: it is a bug that there are two, or that they don't show anything useful?
[16:32] <ianorlin> there are two
[16:32] <alkisg> I.e. will both of them be removed, or just one of them...
[16:32] <alkisg> Can I try to file a bug for that icon to actually show something useful, like the current layout?
[16:35] <alkisg> Ah, that's fcitx, for the japanese?
[16:35] <alkisg> OK I think it will be removed from all the seeds
[16:38] <alkisg> Thank you krytarik and ianorlin :)
[19:15] <jose__> Hello, everybody...
[19:41] <utu8o> so what is the point of installing non-lts lubuntu?
[19:41] <Unit193> Up to date software.
[19:44] <ianorlin> yes like newer lxrandr which does multiple monitors although you still can install arnadr if you want to
[19:54] <utu8o> older computers are having difficulty doing basic web browsing these days
[19:55] <Unit193> Browsers are highly bloated, yes.  Actually so are websites.
[19:55] <utu8o> LXLE will no longer be supporting 32 bit cpus since they are becoming too dated to basic web browsing
[19:57] <Unit193> LXLE != Lubuntu, and that's crap.  My netbook is 32bit only, it's not exactly that old.
[19:58] <utu8o> true, LXLE is a more polished and user friendly version of lubuntu, apparently the last lte release of LXLE will be the last version that supports 32 bit cpus
[20:32] <utu8o> microsft only wants one versoin of winddows, windows 10, to maximize the use of their resources
[20:33] <utu8o> maybe it would be better to just have on 1 versoin of lubuntu released yearly instead of twice a year
[21:02] <NOOB> >in a linux chat room  >  says there should be only one version of a thing
[21:02] <NOOB> lol