[00:08] <diddledan> show me the wily (werewolf)!
[00:08]  * diddledan sniggers
[00:10] <diddledan> where's shauno?
[00:10] <diddledan> he's been absent some time
[00:19] <daftykins> i thought you knew!
[00:19] <daftykins> he got upset about some fruity tech bashing and ragequit on us a while back :(
[00:20] <diddledan> oh?
[00:20] <diddledan> how random
[00:27] <daftykins> is he in any of your haunts?
[00:28] <diddledan> I went looking but can't see him
[00:28] <Myrtti> he is on #raspberrypi, gave me advice about the screen today
[00:28] <diddledan> hmm
[00:28] <daftykins> :(
[00:28] <diddledan> traitor :-p
[00:29] <Myrtti> or was, didn't check if he's online now
[00:29] <Myrtti> yes, he is online
[01:05]  * m0nkey_ waves
[01:06] <daftykins> \o
[01:07] <m0nkey_> Turns out I crossed a toll bridge a couple weeks ago. They sent me a very nice picture of the back of my new car :)
[01:09] <m0nkey_> Cost me a grand total of $7.46
[01:09] <daftykins> hmm, no markings to pay then and there?
[01:10] <m0nkey_> All electronic
[01:10] <m0nkey_> No toll booths
[01:10] <daftykins> ah, i've seen those things for up in Maine
[01:11] <m0nkey_> It was Autoroute 25, crossing from Laval to Montreal. I know for next time not to take it :)
[07:22] <DJones> Morning all
[07:25] <leecowdrey_> indeed morning....
[07:30] <DJones> Although I can't tell by looking out of the window, its all gray and foggy
[08:18] <davmor2> Morning all bit of styx stuck in my head this morning
[08:21] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cShYbLkhBc
[08:31]  * zmoylan-pi holds out for the day it's the bay city rollers stuck in davmor2's head :-)
[08:35] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I know several so it might happen
[08:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy International Day of Non-Violence! 😃
[08:37]  * diddledan slaps JamesTait 
[08:38]  * JamesTait turns the other cheek.
[08:43] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ1TQYjCwYc
[08:49] <JamesTait> Nice one, davmor2.
[08:52]  * Laney finds 20p
[08:53] <Laney> it is a good day
[08:55] <zmoylan-pi> people don't bother to pick up change anymore, i must pick up 50c a week
[08:56] <diddledan> omg, you're rich!
[08:58] <zmoylan-pi> nah i dump it in charity buckets
[08:58] <diddledan> o/
[08:58] <diddledan> I'm a charity bucket!
[09:00]  * zmoylan-pi puts mass accelerator on charge and punches in diddledan's location and waits for blinking light to indicate readiness...
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:05]  * zmoylan-pi taps non blinking light... and suspects i need a new blinking light...
[09:06] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're welcome :)
[09:07] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: you can't beat a good blinking light
[09:07] <zmoylan-pi> well you can, i suspect that's why it's now non blinking :-)
[09:08]  * zmoylan-pi sees an idea for an online shop klingonhardware.com for stuff you know was built to take a beating :-D
[09:09] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: brilliant !
[09:11] <zmoylan-pi> of course shipping will be expensive when the blinkylight that can take a beating costs €100 when it weighs 2-3kg due to it's reinforced steel housing
[10:40] <foobarry> windows 10 installer filled my windows partition on my work laptop
[10:41] <foobarry> stealthily
[10:41] <diplo> Heard about that, not looked into it.. where is it stored foobarry ?
[10:42] <foobarry> windows/installer
[10:43] <diplo> 4.3gb on mine so guess it has on mine too
[10:43] <diplo> Actually lots of files are quite old
[10:44] <diddledan> windows 10 installation files are in a folder at c:\$Windows.~BT
[10:45] <foobarry> oh
[10:45] <foobarry> so just cruft on mine?
[10:45] <foobarry> 18gb in installer and 13gb in winsxs
[10:46] <diddledan> do not delete anything from winsxs
[10:46] <diddledan> I would leave installer too without research into what it contains
[10:46] <foobarry> the disk is full
[10:46] <diddledan> run disk cleanup wizard
[10:47] <foobarry> saved 1gb
[10:47] <foobarry> tops
[10:47] <foobarry> there's CBS.log which is 500mb
[10:47] <foobarry> windows is such garbage
[10:48] <diplo> I use Ccleaner to remove Windows not needed files
[10:48] <foobarry> still don't have working USB or webcam in 2015
[10:49] <diplo> That sucks :/
[10:50] <foobarry> i only use it for vsphere client
[10:50] <diplo> Appears you can delete cbs.log
[10:51] <foobarry> only by stopping a service that cannot be stopped
[10:51] <foobarry> actualyl its 1gb in size
[10:52] <diplo> Could try in Sagemode ? But appears that it's because of a fault WMI call, from what I'm reading
[10:52] <diplo> Tried compressing the directory ?
[10:53] <foobarry> there's so much fail i wanna blow it away
[10:53] <foobarry> but no win10 isos
[10:53] <foobarry> how could a 60gb partition running only vsphere client get full?
[10:53] <foobarry> windows 7 requirements are low than that
[10:53] <diplo> windir stat ?
[11:31] <foobarry> v3.19 of kernel isn't suspending on close lid :( 3.13 does
[11:37] <jpds> foobarry: Time to file a regression bug
[12:32] <diddledan> lol: https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/649653419620352000
[12:43] <diddledan> the account only started this week and has several hundred thousand followers already with most of those retweeting or direct messaging him. hence 41GigaBytes of emails
[12:52] <knightwi1e> price of popularity
[13:00] <diddledan> allo knightwise
[13:15] <knightwise> yo diddledan
[13:15] <knightwise> how are you
[13:15] <diddledan> I'm good
[13:17] <diddledan> I'm binge-watching agents of shield
[13:17]  * m0nkey__ tickles diddledan 
[13:17] <knightwise> diddledan: good thing you dont need a lot of brainpower for that
[13:17]  * diddledan giggles @ m0nkey__ 
[13:23] <diplo> knightwise: Makes it enjoyable for me :) I like things that I can watch without too much needed.. like books, just like losing myself :)
[13:26] <knightwise> True.
[13:50] <knightwise> I love watching old episodes of hill street blues while working from home
[13:52] <davmor2> knightwise: that was an awesome show
[13:56] <knightwise> indeed it is !
[13:59] <zmoylan-pi> be careful out there
[13:59]  * diddledan pops into the pharmacy for protection
[13:59] <knightwise> I love that line .. i was SO sad when he died
[14:00] <diddledan> I have no idea about hill street blues other than it was cops
[14:01] <zmoylan-pi> a great 80s cop show
[14:02] <zmoylan-pi> though of course not  as great as police squad
[14:02] <zmoylan-pi> in color
[14:02] <diddledan> lol
[14:07] <knightwise> those 2 cant be compared
[14:08] <zmoylan-pi> we could discuss this in the japanese garden :-) https://www.pinterest.com/pin/468092954990711908/
[14:10] <knightwise> ROFL
[14:12] <diddledan> that's really racist about americans
[14:13] <diddledan> I mean what normal american do you know that walks around a garden?!
[14:14] <zmoylan-pi> now they'd have scooters or segways for them
[14:14] <diddledan> exactly
[14:15] <diddledan> or motorised sofas
[14:15] <zmoylan-pi> until they invent the floaty chairs of wall-e
[14:15] <diddledan> wall-e is awesome
[14:18] <diddledan> I love his dance with eve using a fire extinguisher for propellant
[14:18] <diplo> Looking at doing a thermostat out of a pi / adafruit type thing, anyone in here done anything similar, want to control heating and eventually integrate with MyCroft
[15:58] <DJones> Heh, brilliant http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-34425092
[16:10] <diddledan> lol
[16:51] <diddledan> another car maker is implicated in dieselgate: samsung electronics
[16:59] <foobarry> the shooter in oregon was british?
[16:59] <foobarry> oh, had a british parent
[17:00] <zmoylan-pi> watch this for an example of nonchalant whistling... hands up manufacturers, who don't lie on specifications
[17:02] <foobarry> there's specs figures, and there's defeat devices
[17:03] <zmoylan-pi> is there an actual law that says they can't do that? :-)
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> personally i hope they get nailed to the wall and the company is fined but i also want the people who decided on this doing jail time.  laws affecting corporations are terrible
[17:04] <zmoylan-pi> this might help add a few
[17:07] <foobarry> there is a moral law
[17:08] <zmoylan-pi> which puts how many people in prison or imposes fines that makes corporations behave?
[17:10] <foobarry> which wrecks a company when they lose 30% of customers
[17:11] <foobarry> but hopefully there is an actual law :D
[17:12] <zmoylan-pi> considering some of the things german companies did in wwii i'm astonished they're still around
[17:15] <foobarry> hugo boss
[17:15] <foobarry> vw
[17:16] <foobarry> porsche
[17:16] <foobarry> benz
[18:06] <daftykins> hrmm if i bought more than one item on ebay from the same seller, should i try and negotiate the postage instead of just paying right away?
[18:08] <diddledan> daftykins: only if they're unreasonable prices
[18:08] <diddledan> it kinda depends how much you're paying for the product I guess
[18:08] <daftykins> basically just a bunch of books, each is a set of 4... postage is around £3.30 - £4.50 on each set
[18:08] <diddledan> might be worth negotiating then
[18:09] <daftykins> i've won each with between £5 and £8 on them all
[18:09] <diddledan> that's almost doubling the cost of the purchase ekse
[18:09] <daftykins> mind you with the postage it barely makes it a feasible profit for that person, i might just leave it :>
[18:09] <diddledan> else*
[18:19] <daftykins> tum te tum
[18:19] <davmor2> Moo! :)
[18:21] <davmor2> how is everyone?
[18:21] <daftykins> all good here ty, how be thee?
[18:22] <davmor2> I be good thanks
[18:23] <daftykins> ah-har i just discovered the 'request total' function of ebay, that'll be handy :D
[18:49] <daftykins> new debit card just showed up from natwest and doesn't have contactless tech, excellent
[18:53] <diddledan> \o/
[18:55] <daftykins> was kinda expecting it would be one
[19:04]  * diddledan doesn't touch daftykins contactless tech
[19:04] <daftykins> diddledan: y'can't touch this ~
[19:05] <daftykins> my my, clock change time on the 25th
[19:07] <diddledan> yey?
[19:08] <daftykins> it's amusing because the US changes on the 1st November, so the atlantic will shrink for a few days :)
[19:08] <daftykins> east coast becomes only 4hrs behind instead of 5
[19:08] <diddledan> does that mean travel time reduces?
[19:08] <daftykins> :)
[19:22] <DJones> Why do i keep getting sent links to people replacing kitty litter with popping candy.....Once you've seen one cat having a bit of an experience in the litter tray, you've seen enough
[19:22] <daftykins> X|
[19:23] <daftykins> the cleanup must be annoying
[19:24] <DJones> You'd think so
[19:26] <DJones> A friend on facebook linked this video which is quite cute, specially for cat lovers https://www.facebook.com/AmazingThingsInTheWorld/videos/933718966681818/
[19:28] <daftykins> impressive bit of multi touch paw action there :)
[19:28] <DJones> Wonder if there are any cat proof tablets
[19:30] <ali1234> dude
[19:30] <ali1234> you can't just casually mention the most awesome sounding video ever and then not link it
[19:32] <DJones> ali1234: I think was a decent one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvIGjarXreY
[20:01] <daftykins> the drunks are out already
[20:01] <daftykins> impressive
[20:01] <diddledan> awesome
[20:02] <diddledan> they're fun
[20:03] <daftykins> ;]
[20:04] <daftykins> got the Mr. Robot finale on
[20:42] <ball> Can Ubuntu Mobile run on a Nexus 7?
[20:49] <daftykins> #ubuntu-touch might be useful
[20:49] <popey> nexus 7 2013, yes
[20:49] <popey> not the 2012 version
[20:53] <ali1234> can i run it on a rasberry pi 2 with the official touchscreen?
[20:54] <ali1234> and what about an x86 touchscreen laptop?
[20:54] <diddledan> can I run it on a nokia 6770?
[20:56] <ali1234> diddledan: why do ORMs all expect me to define the database schema in code?
[20:56] <ali1234> why can't they just get it from the database?
[20:57] <diddledan> they'd still need the schema for the schema definition in code
[20:57] <ali1234> i disagree
[20:57] <diddledan> i.e. you can't just invent stuff and magically expect it to work
[20:58] <diddledan> at some point you need something in code
[20:58] <diddledan> the point of ORMs usually is to allow for versioned schemas
[20:59] <diddledan> i.e. you have saved definition of each change
[20:59] <ali1234> what do you call something that lets you access a SQL table as if it was an array of hash maps?
[21:00] <diddledan> in php that would be mysql_fetch_array
[21:00] <ali1234> that's one way
[21:01] <diddledan> it would be really difficult to write a truly dynamic interface that works with zero-knowledge
[21:03] <ali1234> i should be able to write the following code : for row in database['table']: row['field'] = "somevalue"
[21:03] <ali1234> and i should be able to do it without having to know anything about the schema in advance, other than "field" exists
[21:03] <ali1234> what's more, this can be implemented in about 10 lines of python
[21:13] <popey> ali1234: i dont think there's a mir based image for the pi
[21:21] <ball> Is Mir that non-X GUI thing?
[21:25] <popey> yes
[21:26] <ball> I'm not sure how I feel about that. Is it motivated by tablets and phones?
[21:27] <daftykins> probably by change :)
[21:27] <ball> I'm not sure what that means.
[21:28] <ali1234> MIR and Wayland are both motivated by the switch to using compositing for all graphics
[21:28] <ali1234> Mir
[21:29] <ali1234> there isn't really any good reason for using compositing other than tablets and phones aren't powerfully enough to do graphics without it
[21:29] <ball> Can X not composite?
[21:29] <ali1234> it can but it is extremely inefficient
[21:31] <ball> Interesting.
[21:32] <ali1234> the problem isn't really that X can't composite. the problem is that it supports hardware that can't composite
[21:32] <ali1234> Wayland... doesn't
[21:36] <ali1234> Wayland is basically X, if you removed all the core functionality and all the extensions except for DRI2
[21:36] <ali1234> which coincidentally was written by the same person
[21:43]  * ball thinks about that for a bit.
[22:20] <daftykins> blargh this failed subwoofer ruins music :(
[22:46]  * diddledan woofs
[23:42]  * zmoylan-pi hums like a cheap amp...
[23:47] <daftykins> :) nah not the amp to blame