[00:08] show me the wily (werewolf)! [00:08] * diddledan sniggers [00:10] where's shauno? [00:10] he's been absent some time [00:19] i thought you knew! [00:19] he got upset about some fruity tech bashing and ragequit on us a while back :( [00:20] oh? [00:20] how random [00:27] is he in any of your haunts? [00:28] I went looking but can't see him [00:28] he is on #raspberrypi, gave me advice about the screen today [00:28] hmm [00:28] :( [00:28] traitor :-p [00:29] or was, didn't check if he's online now [00:29] yes, he is online [01:05] * m0nkey_ waves [01:06] \o [01:07] Turns out I crossed a toll bridge a couple weeks ago. They sent me a very nice picture of the back of my new car :) [01:09] Cost me a grand total of $7.46 [01:09] hmm, no markings to pay then and there? [01:10] All electronic [01:10] No toll booths [01:10] ah, i've seen those things for up in Maine [01:11] It was Autoroute 25, crossing from Laval to Montreal. I know for next time not to take it :) === zmoylan-1i is now known as zmoylan-pi === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:22] Morning all [07:25] indeed morning.... [07:30] Although I can't tell by looking out of the window, its all gray and foggy [08:18] Morning all bit of styx stuck in my head this morning [08:21] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cShYbLkhBc [08:31] * zmoylan-pi holds out for the day it's the bay city rollers stuck in davmor2's head :-) [08:35] zmoylan-pi: I know several so it might happen [08:37] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy International Day of Non-Violence! 😃 [08:37] * diddledan slaps JamesTait [08:38] * JamesTait turns the other cheek. [08:43] JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ1TQYjCwYc [08:49] Nice one, davmor2. [08:52] * Laney finds 20p [08:53] it is a good day [08:55] people don't bother to pick up change anymore, i must pick up 50c a week [08:56] omg, you're rich! [08:58] nah i dump it in charity buckets [08:58] o/ [08:58] I'm a charity bucket! [09:00] * zmoylan-pi puts mass accelerator on charge and punches in diddledan's location and waits for blinking light to indicate readiness... [09:00] morning boys and girls. [09:05] * zmoylan-pi taps non blinking light... and suspects i need a new blinking light... [09:06] JamesTait: you're welcome :) [09:07] zmoylan-pi: you can't beat a good blinking light [09:07] well you can, i suspect that's why it's now non blinking :-) [09:08] * zmoylan-pi sees an idea for an online shop klingonhardware.com for stuff you know was built to take a beating :-D [09:09] zmoylan-pi: brilliant ! [09:11] of course shipping will be expensive when the blinkylight that can take a beating costs €100 when it weighs 2-3kg due to it's reinforced steel housing [10:40] windows 10 installer filled my windows partition on my work laptop [10:41] stealthily [10:41] Heard about that, not looked into it.. where is it stored foobarry ? [10:42] windows/installer [10:43] 4.3gb on mine so guess it has on mine too [10:43] Actually lots of files are quite old [10:44] windows 10 installation files are in a folder at c:\$Windows.~BT [10:45] oh [10:45] so just cruft on mine? [10:45] 18gb in installer and 13gb in winsxs [10:46] do not delete anything from winsxs [10:46] I would leave installer too without research into what it contains [10:46] the disk is full [10:46] run disk cleanup wizard [10:47] saved 1gb [10:47] tops [10:47] there's CBS.log which is 500mb [10:47] windows is such garbage [10:48] I use Ccleaner to remove Windows not needed files [10:48] still don't have working USB or webcam in 2015 [10:49] That sucks :/ [10:50] i only use it for vsphere client [10:50] Appears you can delete cbs.log [10:51] only by stopping a service that cannot be stopped [10:51] actualyl its 1gb in size [10:52] Could try in Sagemode ? But appears that it's because of a fault WMI call, from what I'm reading [10:52] Tried compressing the directory ? [10:53] there's so much fail i wanna blow it away [10:53] but no win10 isos [10:53] how could a 60gb partition running only vsphere client get full? [10:53] windows 7 requirements are low than that [10:53] windir stat ? === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:31] v3.19 of kernel isn't suspending on close lid :( 3.13 does [11:37] foobarry: Time to file a regression bug === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:32] lol: https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/649653419620352000 [12:43] the account only started this week and has several hundred thousand followers already with most of those retweeting or direct messaging him. hence 41GigaBytes of emails [12:52] price of popularity === knightwi1e is now known as knightwise === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:00] allo knightwise [13:15] yo diddledan [13:15] how are you [13:15] I'm good [13:17] I'm binge-watching agents of shield [13:17] * m0nkey__ tickles diddledan [13:17] diddledan: good thing you dont need a lot of brainpower for that [13:17] * diddledan giggles @ m0nkey__ [13:23] knightwise: Makes it enjoyable for me :) I like things that I can watch without too much needed.. like books, just like losing myself :) [13:26] True. [13:50] I love watching old episodes of hill street blues while working from home [13:52] knightwise: that was an awesome show [13:56] indeed it is ! [13:59] be careful out there [13:59] * diddledan pops into the pharmacy for protection [13:59] I love that line .. i was SO sad when he died [14:00] I have no idea about hill street blues other than it was cops [14:01] a great 80s cop show [14:02] though of course not as great as police squad [14:02] in color [14:02] lol [14:07] those 2 cant be compared [14:08] we could discuss this in the japanese garden :-) https://www.pinterest.com/pin/468092954990711908/ [14:10] ROFL [14:12] that's really racist about americans [14:13] I mean what normal american do you know that walks around a garden?! [14:14] now they'd have scooters or segways for them [14:14] exactly [14:15] or motorised sofas [14:15] until they invent the floaty chairs of wall-e [14:15] wall-e is awesome [14:18] I love his dance with eve using a fire extinguisher for propellant [14:18] Looking at doing a thermostat out of a pi / adafruit type thing, anyone in here done anything similar, want to control heating and eventually integrate with MyCroft === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [15:58] Heh, brilliant http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-34425092 [16:10] lol [16:51] another car maker is implicated in dieselgate: samsung electronics [16:59] the shooter in oregon was british? [16:59] oh, had a british parent [17:00] watch this for an example of nonchalant whistling... hands up manufacturers, who don't lie on specifications === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [17:02] there's specs figures, and there's defeat devices [17:03] is there an actual law that says they can't do that? :-) [17:04] personally i hope they get nailed to the wall and the company is fined but i also want the people who decided on this doing jail time. laws affecting corporations are terrible [17:04] this might help add a few [17:07] there is a moral law [17:08] which puts how many people in prison or imposes fines that makes corporations behave? [17:10] which wrecks a company when they lose 30% of customers [17:11] but hopefully there is an actual law :D [17:12] considering some of the things german companies did in wwii i'm astonished they're still around [17:15] hugo boss [17:15] vw [17:16] porsche [17:16] benz === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [18:06] hrmm if i bought more than one item on ebay from the same seller, should i try and negotiate the postage instead of just paying right away? [18:08] daftykins: only if they're unreasonable prices [18:08] it kinda depends how much you're paying for the product I guess [18:08] basically just a bunch of books, each is a set of 4... postage is around £3.30 - £4.50 on each set [18:08] might be worth negotiating then [18:09] i've won each with between £5 and £8 on them all [18:09] that's almost doubling the cost of the purchase ekse [18:09] mind you with the postage it barely makes it a feasible profit for that person, i might just leave it :> [18:09] else* [18:19] tum te tum [18:19] Moo! :) [18:21] how is everyone? [18:21] all good here ty, how be thee? [18:22] I be good thanks [18:23] ah-har i just discovered the 'request total' function of ebay, that'll be handy :D [18:49] new debit card just showed up from natwest and doesn't have contactless tech, excellent [18:53] \o/ [18:55] was kinda expecting it would be one [19:04] * diddledan doesn't touch daftykins contactless tech [19:04] diddledan: y'can't touch this ~ [19:05] my my, clock change time on the 25th [19:07] yey? [19:08] it's amusing because the US changes on the 1st November, so the atlantic will shrink for a few days :) [19:08] east coast becomes only 4hrs behind instead of 5 [19:08] does that mean travel time reduces? [19:08] :) [19:22] Why do i keep getting sent links to people replacing kitty litter with popping candy.....Once you've seen one cat having a bit of an experience in the litter tray, you've seen enough [19:22] X| [19:23] the cleanup must be annoying [19:24] You'd think so [19:26] A friend on facebook linked this video which is quite cute, specially for cat lovers https://www.facebook.com/AmazingThingsInTheWorld/videos/933718966681818/ [19:28] impressive bit of multi touch paw action there :) [19:28] Wonder if there are any cat proof tablets [19:30] dude [19:30] you can't just casually mention the most awesome sounding video ever and then not link it [19:32] ali1234: I think was a decent one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvIGjarXreY [20:01] the drunks are out already [20:01] impressive [20:01] awesome [20:02] they're fun [20:03] ;] [20:04] got the Mr. Robot finale on [20:42] Can Ubuntu Mobile run on a Nexus 7? [20:49] #ubuntu-touch might be useful [20:49] nexus 7 2013, yes [20:49] not the 2012 version [20:53] can i run it on a rasberry pi 2 with the official touchscreen? [20:54] and what about an x86 touchscreen laptop? [20:54] can I run it on a nokia 6770? [20:56] diddledan: why do ORMs all expect me to define the database schema in code? [20:56] why can't they just get it from the database? [20:57] they'd still need the schema for the schema definition in code [20:57] i disagree [20:57] i.e. you can't just invent stuff and magically expect it to work [20:58] at some point you need something in code [20:58] the point of ORMs usually is to allow for versioned schemas [20:59] i.e. you have saved definition of each change [20:59] what do you call something that lets you access a SQL table as if it was an array of hash maps? [21:00] in php that would be mysql_fetch_array [21:00] that's one way [21:01] it would be really difficult to write a truly dynamic interface that works with zero-knowledge [21:03] i should be able to write the following code : for row in database['table']: row['field'] = "somevalue" [21:03] and i should be able to do it without having to know anything about the schema in advance, other than "field" exists [21:03] what's more, this can be implemented in about 10 lines of python [21:13] ali1234: i dont think there's a mir based image for the pi [21:21] Is Mir that non-X GUI thing? [21:25] yes [21:26] I'm not sure how I feel about that. Is it motivated by tablets and phones? [21:27] probably by change :) [21:27] I'm not sure what that means. [21:28] MIR and Wayland are both motivated by the switch to using compositing for all graphics [21:28] Mir [21:29] there isn't really any good reason for using compositing other than tablets and phones aren't powerfully enough to do graphics without it [21:29] Can X not composite? [21:29] it can but it is extremely inefficient [21:31] Interesting. [21:32] the problem isn't really that X can't composite. the problem is that it supports hardware that can't composite [21:32] Wayland... doesn't [21:36] Wayland is basically X, if you removed all the core functionality and all the extensions except for DRI2 [21:36] which coincidentally was written by the same person [21:43] * ball thinks about that for a bit. [22:20] blargh this failed subwoofer ruins music :( === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [22:46] * diddledan woofs === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [23:42] * zmoylan-pi hums like a cheap amp... [23:47] :) nah not the amp to blame