[03:17] <ahoneybun> hey jck77
[03:21] <ahoneybun> mhall119: https://twitter.com/ubuntufl/status/649760190032687105
[03:21] <ahoneybun> that logo is kickass
[03:23] <mhall119> ahoneybun: damn, that is badass, I need to order some for FOSSETCON
[03:23] <ahoneybun> please do
[03:23] <ahoneybun> do know I AM keeping one
[03:23] <ahoneybun> XD
[03:24] <ahoneybun> it would be a crime not to
[03:25] <ahoneybun> mhall119: the bluetooth mouse that KeithIMyers has was awesome on my N4
[03:25] <ahoneybun> it would have been better with a pointer lol
[03:25] <ahoneybun> I saw the task managing
[04:23] <Nothing_Much> Which logo?
[04:23] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: https://twitter.com/ubuntufl/status/649760190032687105
[04:23] <Nothing_Much> Werewolf one?
[04:23] <Nothing_Much> It is pretty awesome
[04:23] <ahoneybun> yeo
[14:09] <Garheade> Ok, putting ubuntu phone on my old N4, what channel should I use.
[14:09] <Garheade> ?
[14:12] <mhall119> Garheade: rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[14:13] <mhall119> --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[14:13] <mhall119> ahoneybun: yeah, they're working on the pointer, it was there a couple months ago
[14:18] <Garheade> mhall119: so when I run the flash command it will be '--channel/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en'?
[14:19] <mhall119> Garheade: yup, that will get you the daily, untested updates
[14:19] <mhall119> if you want stable updates every 6 weeks instead, go with ubuntu-touch/rc/bq-aquaris.en
[14:19] <mhall119> don't let the name fool you, there are mako images in that channel
[14:19] <Garheade> so the question is, why the bq channel over the ubuntu channel
[14:20] <mhall119> the bq images contain the closed-source Nokia HERE AGPS service, which lets you get location data faster than using the GPS alone
[14:20] <Garheade> and you answered the question while I typed it...
[14:21] <mhall119> without AGPS, the Nexus 4 sometimes takes 10 minutes or longer to get a GPS fix form satellites
[14:24] <Garheade> thanks mike...
[14:36] <Garheade> So, now that the flash is done, the next quesiton is, what apps do you like mostes? I'm not a reddit fan so unfortunatley...
[14:39] <mhall119> Telegram
[14:39] <mhall119> Authenticator for 2-factor auth
[14:40] <mhall119> Dekko for email, definitely
[14:41] <Garheade> any activesync clients available? I use kolab for my mail hosting so IMAP/*dav is perfectly usable but AS does work pretty well too
[14:42] <mhall119> not sure what active sync is, but probably not, we're still working on a generic syncing framework
[14:43] <Garheade> ActiveSync is the Exchange protocol for mobile devices.
[14:43] <Garheade> No biggie.
[14:45] <mhall119> ah, yeah, don't have that
[14:45] <Garheade> Wheres ahoneybun? 
[14:46] <Garheade> ahoneybun: is Kontact available for u-phone?
[14:49] <mhall119> probably not, at least not easily
[14:49] <Garheade> :)
[14:50] <mhall119> though sgclark was going some testing, to build KDE apps for Ubuntu phones, so maybe she got it working
[14:50] <Garheade> Sorry for the flurry of questions... I just thought I do some testing and stuff.
[14:50] <mhall119> Garheade: no worries, you can join #ubuntu-touch too for those questions
[17:46] <jck77> Hello 
[17:46] <fsfsmari> Hey jck77 :)
[17:46] <fsfsmari> Are you coming to Ubuntu Hour tomorrow?
[18:45]  * ahoneybun is here
[18:51] <jck77> ahoneybun: hey
[18:51] <ahoneybun> hola jck77
[18:51] <jck77> ahoneybun: I will try to make it tomorrow but I have already an event in a park 
[18:51] <ahoneybun> jck77: oh ok np
[18:51] <jck77> flying drone :D
[18:51] <ahoneybun> nice'
[18:55] <jck77> So the meeting in at the grilled cheese place right
[19:00] <ahoneybun> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-florida/3210-ubuntu-hour-ft-lauderdale/
[19:00] <ahoneybun> yep
[19:02] <ahoneybun> hey fsfsmari
[19:03] <fsfsmari> Hey!
[19:03] <fsfsmari> So....I can't login to the LoCo site, no matter how much I try.
[19:04] <ahoneybun> mm
[19:04] <ahoneybun> odd
[19:04] <ahoneybun> you are clicking the registar button?
[19:05] <ahoneybun> on the event page?
[19:05] <fsfsmari> Yeah, it's giving me a crazy error.
[19:05] <fsfsmari> I was so frustrated last night, not for no reason.
[19:06] <fsfsmari> I'm not even going to bother with screenshotting it, haha.
[19:06] <fsfsmari> Just know it will be me and Joel tomorrow. :)
[19:06] <ahoneybun> the error?
[19:06] <ahoneybun> nice
[19:06] <ahoneybun> thanks for grabbing Joel
[19:18] <fsfsmari> Yeah, the error.
[19:18] <fsfsmari> Hey, RSVP to the movie. ;)
[19:19] <fsfsmari> I'm bringing the preacher's boy with me. They've been dying to get him out and socializing.
[19:19] <fsfsmari> ahoneybun, you should chat him up about gaming.
[19:19] <ahoneybun> mm?
[19:20] <fsfsmari> http://www.meetup.com/DelrayTechSpace/events/225782282/
[19:20] <fsfsmari> Also, I put a poll on meetup for the next movie. I'm not sure what I think about Meetup's polling system.
[19:20] <fsfsmari> http://www.meetup.com/DelrayTechSpace/polls/1210483/
[19:21] <ahoneybun> we'll I know the movie I'll be there with keith
[19:21] <ahoneybun> but the preacher's boy ..
[19:22] <ahoneybun> fsfsmari: we should see I, Frankstain
[19:22] <fsfsmari> !! I don't know it.
[19:22] <fsfsmari> Sounds pretty great, though.
[19:23] <ahoneybun> it is an amazing retelling
[19:23] <ahoneybun> different point of view and story
[19:23] <ahoneybun> Frankstain fights demons and shit
[19:29] <fsfsmari> That sounds amazing.
[19:53] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I have good news and bad news
[19:53] <mhall119> the good news is, I've found a way to get mouse cursor working on my Nexus 4 in desktop mode
[19:54] <mhall119> the bad news is that applying those changes breaks HDMI output
[19:54] <mhall119> it should all be working next week though
[20:23] <fsfsmari> I am totally teaching Mark how to Bitcoin right now.
[20:23] <fsfsmari> ahoneybun, you should see this. It's tragilarious.
[20:35] <ahoneybun> XD
[20:35] <ahoneybun> mhall119: how does one get HDMI output?
[20:36] <mhall119> ahoneybun: wait for them to fix what they just broke
[20:36] <mhall119> if you don't install the silo to get the cursor, then HDMI output should work (if you boot the phone while it's plugged in, hot-plugging crashes it)
[20:37] <ahoneybun> I have stable on it anyway
[20:37] <mhall119> ah, then you have to wait for OTA7 at least
[20:37] <ahoneybun> I might move tbh
[20:38] <ahoneybun> mhall119: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=MHL
[20:38] <ahoneybun> ?
[20:40] <ahoneybun> so many channels!
[20:57] <mhall119> ahoneybun: no
[20:58] <mhall119> ahoneybun: http://www.amazon.com/SlimPort-Adapter-Micro-USB-Connects-Packaging/dp/9712931870/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1443819503&sr=8-3&keywords=nexus+4+slimport I believe is the correct one
[21:10] <ahoneybun> I see
[21:24] <ahoneybun> mhall119: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/watch-canonical-showing-off-the-latest-unity-8-interface-for-ubuntu-phone-493493.shtml
[21:33] <Nothing_Much> awesome
[21:39] <ahoneybun> it is
[21:39] <ahoneybun> I don't have the pointer with my current channel
[21:43] <Nothing_Much> my goodness I love it, when's it coming out???
[21:44] <ahoneybun> not sure yet
[21:44] <ahoneybun> but a lot of work is going in lately
[21:45] <Nothing_Much> awesome
[21:45] <ahoneybun> mhall119: is devel-proposed best?
[21:45] <ahoneybun> or rc?
[21:45] <Nothing_Much> could it be possible to make it default for 16.04?
[21:45] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: hard to tell tbh
[21:45] <Nothing_Much> oh man, I seriously can't wait
[21:46] <ahoneybun> I think it would be a bit hard doing that with a LTS
[21:46] <Nothing_Much> I really want Nvidia to support it already so I can use it
[21:46] <Nothing_Much> ahoneybun, well, given the amount of backlash Ubuntu's gotten over the years from Linux "enthusiasts", it's justified
[21:47] <ahoneybun> Nothing_Much: over?
[21:47] <Nothing_Much> not making up their minds about what Ubuntu is supposed to do to make people happy
[21:48] <ahoneybun> yea
[21:48] <ahoneybun> mhall119: this page could use some love I think: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/image-channels/
[21:48] <Nothing_Much> most of the time it's all hypocrisy
[21:49] <ahoneybun> at this point Ubuntu should be called the Linux for your life
[21:49] <Nothing_Much> well, I can't argue that sentiment
[21:49] <Nothing_Much> Ubuntu helped me discover FOSS
[21:50] <ahoneybun> same
[21:50] <Nothing_Much> and I really don't see many changes, outside of its brand name
[21:50] <Nothing_Much> well, not "brand name"
[21:50] <Nothing_Much> but its logos and icons and stuff
[21:50] <ahoneybun> other then Unity?
[21:50] <ahoneybun> was a big change
[21:50] <Nothing_Much> oh yeah that too
[21:50] <ahoneybun> I hated Ubuntu at that point
[21:50] <Nothing_Much> but I didn't use Ubuntu 11.04
[21:50] <ahoneybun> they moved WAY to EARLY
[21:51] <ahoneybun> I've used it since 10.04
[21:51] <Nothing_Much> I think the problem was that it wasn't just Pulseaudio or some other things that were adopted earlier
[21:51] <ahoneybun> it was slow as hell
[21:51] <Nothing_Much> It was the *entire workflow* that changed and from what I've heard, it was glitchy and slow, yeah
[21:51] <ahoneybun> it was
[21:51] <ahoneybun> I was in the middle of it
[21:51] <Nothing_Much> which is justified, but honestly, that's what people want most of the time in the Linux community
[21:52] <ahoneybun> change?
[21:52] <Nothing_Much> they want to try out something new and bleeding edge
[21:52] <ahoneybun> I
[21:52] <Nothing_Much> that's the hypocrisy that I can't understand. lol
[21:52] <ahoneybun> I've met a lot that just want stable LTS
[21:52] <Nothing_Much> right, that's why I don't get why people move to Mint of all distros
[21:52] <ahoneybun> I would be on a LTS if Plasma 5 was on it
[21:53] <ahoneybun> but it was too big of a jump
[21:53] <Nothing_Much> that's why LTS releases exist and lasted for 3 years at the time
[21:53] <Nothing_Much> so if people didn't want to use Unity
[21:53] <ahoneybun> I'm ok with the 9months of support for the non-LTS
[21:53] <Nothing_Much> they should've stuck to the LTS releases, because that's what they're made for
[21:54] <Nothing_Much> yeah I'm fine with that too, because it's to put more emphasis on the LTS releases
[21:54] <ahoneybun> 3months for bugs and things to get cleaned up
[21:54] <ahoneybun> and for everyone to move by then
[21:54] <Nothing_Much> Yeah, and before 12.04, 3 years was acceptable to upgrade your distro, but 5 years is even better for stock Ubuntu
[21:55] <Nothing_Much> do other official ubuntu-based distros have 5 years of support?
[21:55] <ahoneybun> mm
[21:55] <ahoneybun> I think Xubuntu has 3
[21:55] <Nothing_Much> Kubuntu should have 5 years, right?
[21:56] <ahoneybun> sadly I'm not sure
[21:57] <ahoneybun> the site says 12.04 is 5 years to 14.04 must be too
[21:57] <Nothing_Much> Kubuntu?
[21:58] <Nothing_Much> oh yeah wikipedia supports that claim too
[21:59] <Nothing_Much> oh hey, 3 official Ubuntu-based distros are supported for 5 years, Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Ubuntu MATE
[22:00] <ahoneybun> yea the flavors
[22:00] <Nothing_Much> official ubuntu-based distros = flavors
[22:02] <Nothing_Much> Lubuntu and Xubuntu are supported for only 3 years though
[22:05] <Nothing_Much> also, are Mir and Wayland incompatible with applications with each other?
[22:05] <Nothing_Much> someone's telling me they are incompatible
[22:11] <ahoneybun> not sure
[22:11] <ahoneybun> I know both are working on ways to run X apps
[22:11] <Nothing_Much> Yeah,that's XMir and XWayland
[22:20] <ahoneybun> mhall119: the heck is with this error: error pushing:
[22:20] <ahoneybun> XD
[22:20] <ahoneybun> the phone shows up in ADB
[22:25] <ahoneybun> weird
[22:35] <ahoneybun> so the rc is really behind?
[22:35] <ahoneybun> 15.04
[23:28] <mhall119> ahoneybun: I see that sometimes, the USB cable loses it's connection momentarily
[23:29] <ahoneybun> yea
[23:29] <ahoneybun> is the rc that far behind mhall119>
[23:29] <ahoneybun> or am I wrong
[23:30] <mhall119> ahoneybun: rc is a month or two old now
[23:30] <ahoneybun> damn
[23:30] <mhall119> rc is what the OTA is
[23:30] <mhall119> rc-proposed is the daily builds
[23:30] <ahoneybun> ohhh
[23:30] <ahoneybun> so what are you running
[23:30] <mhall119> rc-proposed
[23:30] <mhall119> it's been very stable
[23:31] <ahoneybun> oh
[23:31] <ahoneybun> nice
[23:32]  * ahoneybun moved over to tht
[23:32] <ahoneybun> *that
[23:39] <ahoneybun> aaron@GAMING-A75MH:~$ ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device=flo
[23:39] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-touch/rc/ubuntu
[23:39] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/ubuntu-pd
[23:39] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-touch/devel/ubuntu
[23:39] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-touch/devel/krillin.en
[23:39] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[23:39] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed/ubuntu
[23:39] <ahoneybun> the heck is ubuntu-pd?