[02:26] <bluesabre> Unit193: good work
[02:43] <bluesabre> Unit193: won't be making it to OLF this year, fwiw
[02:43] <Unit193> bluesabre: So what's up?
[02:43] <Unit193> Awwwh, I see.  Don't think I will.
[02:44] <bluesabre> not much, just got back from dinner and movie
[02:45] <bluesabre> glad to see that the ubi-timezone bug might be fixed tomorrow
[02:46] <Unit193> Know anything about apt-cache show?
[02:47] <bluesabre> I've used it in the past
[02:47] <Unit193> Fails in wily, vivid is fine.
[02:47] <Unit193> This is major problem™
[02:48] <bluesabre> for a particular package?
[02:48] <Unit193> All.
[02:48] <Unit193> PPAs, my repo, Ubuntu repos.
[02:49] <Unit193> Also, it's been more laggy.
[02:49] <Unit193> Found one that works now..
[02:50] <bluesabre> running wily, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12636185/
[02:51] <Unit193> real 0m5.786s, vivid real 0m0.982s and http://paste.openstack.org/show/d9TUXTryecd57XRQBxcy
[02:52] <Unit193> Tabcomplete has also greatly slowed.
[02:54] <Unit193> Soo, kind of have to keep vivid around just to check what a package is.
[02:54] <bluesabre> real0m1.316s
[02:54] <bluesabre> suppose that is slow
[02:55] <bluesabre> haven't had the best of luck with nvidia on my laptop with wily... currently stable because I installed bumblebee (of all things)
[02:56] <bluesabre> going to try again this weekend when I reinstall once more
[02:56] <Unit193> Tell me if apt looks any better.
[03:05] <bluesabre> bed time, back tomorrow (yay, weekend time for getting things done)
[03:05] <Unit193> Hah, a'ight.
[06:27] <flocculant> Unit193 bluesabre - caught up on core here and there, I'd certainly be happier if we'd pushed core more during this cycle - as it stands hardly any testing of it 
[06:28] <flocculant> thing's stuck rebuilding somehow too 
[06:29] <flocculant> I think I would rather wait 4 weeks and aim for 16.04 - would perhaps have been better to have tested more this cycle - but we didn't 
[06:29] <flocculant> also 
[06:30] <Unit193> Well cdimage hasn't built it yet, so didn't have anything to test.
[06:30] <flocculant> If we're going to start testing it properly - really needs to be building like the other 2 so we can rebuild ourselves when we want
[06:30] <flocculant> Unit193: yea - shouldn't have ended up in that state - not sure how it did 
[06:31] <Unit193> Black hole called "merge proposal"
[06:31] <flocculant> it's on the list - but should be a stand alone thing - never rebuilding, just sitting there for a cycle 
[06:31] <flocculant> Unit193: unless it's on the cron then that shouldn't make any difference afaik
[06:34] <Unit193> Meh, all the merges were up and sitting there for quite some time now, and they still aren't in.  We'll likely be lucky to get it for XXX after all.
[06:35] <flocculant> ... 
[06:35] <Unit193> But, it should be built just like the other ISOs, but we don't need to test it as much afaik.
[06:36] <flocculant> Unit193: yep 
[06:36] <flocculant> I'd likely mention it a few times - then do the milestone shuffle with that as well as normal ones
[06:37] <flocculant> effectively I guess we're really just testing that it installs 
[06:37] <flocculant> did krytarik do whatever he was doing? 
[06:38] <flocculant> as it stands now - I think we'll be lucky to get anywhere in the next 2 weeks - so maybe better to push for them to sort stuff out early xx
[06:52] <Unit193> The ubuntu-cdimage one?  Yeah, long ago as well.
[10:39] <bluesabre> flocculant: yeah, I agree with your position. I think if we can get somebody started on adding these things in, we can have it when x starts
[12:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: yep - that seems the sensible way to move on I think
[12:07] <flocculant> bluesabre: btw been digging around for Templates - close to New Zealand but not a resolution :p
[16:05] <GridCube> oh no! http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/10/gigabytes-of-user-data-from-hack-of-patreon-donations-site-dumped-online/
[16:05] <GridCube> :(
[16:05] <GridCube> thats so bad
[17:10] <GridCube> oh yes
[17:10] <GridCube> sorry
[17:10] <GridCube> :(
[17:30] <flocculant> why we getting mails to http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20151001-wily.html 
[18:10] <Unit193> Yey!  None Xubuntu!
[18:12] <flocculant> well yea - I saw that :p
[18:14] <flocculant> didn't know why we were suddenly getting the mails - can't imagine it's something new 
[18:15] <Unit193> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2015-October/
[18:21] <flocculant> yea - but still wonder
[18:21] <flocculant> I assume this *thing* isn't new - never seen one cc'd to us
[18:21] <flocculant> (though I'd see it from -announce)
[18:30] <Unit193> It wasn't.
[18:30] <Unit193> They do random entire repo rebuilds, otherwise it's only new stuff or transitions.
[18:34] <flocculant> ok - that's fine, just checking the why:
[19:03] <Unit193> Q: Do we actually care about skippy-ed at this point at all? (https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/extras)
[19:31] <flocculant> does it do something the dashboard doesn't? 
[19:31] <flocculant> where we actually looking at either seriously?
[19:34] <Unit193> xfdashboard is pending in pkg-xfce, and Debian #788332 (-pulseaudio is hungup in NEW.)
[19:35] <flocculant> not quite what I meant - are we looking to add one to default? 
[19:41] <ochosi> Unit193: i guess for MR you really need to poke ppl directly on irc. or poke people to poke people.
[19:41] <ochosi> (as annoying as that is)
[19:42] <Unit193> ochosi: I have been.
[19:54] <ochosi> Unit193: oh ok. i guess we should've done a better job at supporting you there then
[20:04] <flocculant> bluesabre: did you see bug 1501041
[20:05] <flocculant> seen a few nvidia issues this cycle - not been using it myself (and no need for that bumblebee thingymajig) 
[20:05] <flocculant> evening ochosi 
[20:06] <ochosi> hi flocculant 
[20:08] <knome> hello all
[20:08] <flocculant> hi knome 
[20:08] <knome> flocculant, there's a draft page at the website for you to look at
[20:09] <flocculant> knome: okey doke :)
[20:09] <knome> flocculant, just log in and find it on the list of pages in the admin
[20:09] <flocculant> Unit193: did you see recentish bug for apt-cache long descriptions?
[20:09] <flocculant> knome: yep - will do :)
[20:09] <knome> did some small changes (eg. to drop the multi-level lists) and wanted to run it by you
[20:10] <flocculant> well I might well want them back - the ones I had were there for a reason
[20:10] <knome> i know
[20:10] <knome> but if you want them back, then we just add them back :P
[20:10] <knome> no biggie
[20:10] <flocculant> yep :)
[20:11] <knome> another thing i was wondering if this level of deepness is suitable for the website
[20:11] <flocculant> I was wondering that
[20:11] <flocculant> but 
[20:11] <knome> which is mostly targeted end-users
[20:11] <knome> i know, we don't have other place for it either...
[20:11] <flocculant> I didn't really want it to be globally editable - so veered away from wiki 
[20:12] <knome> yep
[20:12] <knome> maybe we'll have better outlets for that kind of information in 6-12 months
[20:12] <knome> :)
[20:18] <flocculant> knome: ok - happy enough with that layout - don't publish yet, seen one typo - will check it again tomorrow
[20:18] <knome> yep, sure
[20:19] <flocculant> and it's not a spelling error - my original said one thing - the draft says something else - not sure what happened there
[20:19] <knome> :)
[20:19] <flocculant> thanks :D
[20:19] <knome> i changed wording in one place
[20:20] <flocculant> I know ;)
[20:20] <knome> practically avoiding links that say "here"
[20:20] <flocculant> yep - saw that 
[20:20] <knome> good good :)
[20:20] <knome> and as always, just ask me if you need further feedback or help with it
[20:21] <flocculant> and yea - possibly not the best place for it - but it's what we have and we really needed a more or less one-stop place
[20:21] <knome> yeah...
[20:22] <knome> i'm actually really interested in setting up our own wiki
[20:22] <flocculant> right
[20:22] <knome> or something along the lines of that
[20:22] <flocculant> would be useful to have somewhere that we've got some control 
[20:23] <flocculant> at least we can 'go here' for the last word
[20:24] <knome> yep
[20:25] <flocculant> I'll look tomorrow - then let you know
[20:25] <flocculant> I don't want to screw up publishing that in the wrong place :p
[20:27] <Unit193> flocculant: Thought so, but has new info.
[20:27] <Unit193> Still has some oddities, but eh.
[20:28] <flocculant> personally I don't use show much - but I can see it being a pain