[01:09] <teward> i have a 14.04 installation and i want it to not suspend when the screen is closed.  setting it to those settings in power management doesn't appear to be doing it.  How do I go about setting those settings?
[02:58] <qwebirc84252> if a liveCD  is inside a CDRW drive and neither the OS nor the eject button is making the CD eject, what can I do to make the CD drive eject the CD (unload the tray)?
[03:00] <holstein> i will shutdown, and try the button at machine boot
[03:00] <iynque> There’s usually a paperclip-sized hole to stick a paperclip in.
[03:00] <holstein> sometimes, there is a little button you can get to with a paper clip..
[03:00] <iynque> ^^^
[03:02] <qwebirc84252> this CDRW is really old - like 15 years old.
[03:03] <qwebirc84252> i don't see the pinhole size hole to put the pin in.
[03:03] <holstein> probably has the hole, then.. the older ones did
[03:03] <holstein> its usually near the eject button..
[03:03] <qwebirc84252> i tried at machine boot but that does not work.
[03:03] <holstein> anyways, if its 15 years old, i may just take it apart, forcefully, remove my media, and trash it..
[03:04] <qwebirc84252> i keep all of my electronics ;-)
[03:04] <qwebirc84252> 4ever
[03:04] <holstein> sure.. you can keep it, then, after you break it apart, and recover the media
[03:05] <holstein> or, just put it on the shelf "as-is" with the media still in it
[03:05] <iynque> heh
[03:05] <holstein> anyways,  dont put any more discs in it..
[03:06] <iynque> You could try searching the specific drive for a manual or something. It might reveal how to open it when stuck.
[03:06] <qwebirc84252> its strange because I have a 16-year old CDROM drive and I see the pinhole on that, but the newer 15-year old CDRW drive does not..
[03:06] <holstein> lol.. i wouldnt refer to either of those as 'newer'...
[03:07] <qwebirc84252> its all relative
[03:07] <holstein> anyways, i wouldnt over think it.. you can try and pry the front cover off, and see if its got a forceful eject, or, ask the company that created it, if they are still around..
[03:09] <iynque> searching for manuals often still works after companies/support disappear. …even if the manual was never online :D
[03:09] <iynque> I’ve found booklets from old cameras, etc.
[03:10] <qwebirc84252> why do some drives have the pinholes and others dont .... shouldn't all of that have been standardized and made mandatory?
[03:10] <holstein> hardware can be created many different ways..
[03:10] <iynque> Meh… including an ‘emergency release’ is admitting you might need one :P
[03:10] <holstein> they dont have them anymore..
[03:11] <holstein> i dont install optical drives on machines anymore.
[03:13] <qwebirc84252> well, i'm trying to make use of this almost 16-year old machine for recording TV with a tuner card, and this drive used to work until continuous reading from the drive seemed to have caused it to ?malfunction internally?  is this possible?  - causing permanent damage to the drive?
[03:13] <holstein> qwebirc84252: that drive is quite old.. nothing about lubuntu will be able to prevent it from opening. but, if you cant get it to open at boot, before the OS loads, its likely just stuck in there, and failing
[03:14] <holstein> the ones that i have heard that are failing sound like that. if the question is "did the lubuntu iso break my optical drive?" i have never experienced that..
[03:17] <qwebirc84252> right, but by stuck, do you mean it is physical issue of the CD preventing drive opening ..  because I don't think this is the case, since it was reading from the drive right before this problem occured, unless the spinning of the CD caused it to get physically stuck.
[03:17] <qwebirc84252> I suspect that the drive somehow overwrote the firmware or the memory on which the firmware is stored has gone bad, but I know nothing about how such electronics work..  so that is a wild guess.
[03:17] <holstein> i dont think so
[03:17] <holstein> i have found, with the several drives i have that fit that description, that they just failed..
[03:18] <qwebirc84252> which do you think is "not so"...  physical issue or firmware issue?
[03:18] <holstein> but, you can ask the company that created it how to check the firmware. i fyou feel that is the issue
[03:18] <holstein> qwebirc84252: i do not think you have a firmware issue on that old defice
[03:18] <holstein> device*
[03:18] <holstein> i think its old, and failing.. as, many of mine are, of that age
[03:19] <qwebirc84252> oh, so then u think the CD has phsyically caused the tray from ejecting due to some phsyical jam?
[03:19] <holstein> qwebirc84252: i do *not* think it has anything to do with the disk
[03:21] <qwebirc84252> by "drive failing", how exactly does this happen?   power failure?  electronics damaged?  ..???
[03:21] <holstein> i have gotten old, recycled hardware, of that "vintage" out, and the disks, any disk, will sound like its spinning up and down.. sometimes, i will wait on them, and something will install
[03:21] <holstein> if i have another, i just get another one out, and trash that one
[03:21] <holstein> they are old, and fail.. parts fail, that, im sure one can repair.. or, have repaired. at quite a bit more than the device is worth
[03:22] <holstein> qwebirc84252: they get old.. they spin fast, and have moving parts.. *all* drives will fail..
[03:22] <qwebirc84252> right, but I'm now all out of optical IDE drives, and this is the only one I was hoping to reboot with.
[03:22] <holstein> qwebirc84252: what have i done? i have used the plop live iso, in a dying drive, to boot a USB stick on legacy hardware
[03:22] <qwebirc84252> the other CDROM IDE drive does not allow me to boot using another copy of the livecd for some reason
[03:23] <holstein> i'll venture a guest, its related to its age..
[03:23] <holstein> a guess*
[03:23] <qwebirc84252> the standard boot error message of OS not found...
[03:24] <holstein> right.. i have see those, back when i was dealing with that.. the best stratedgy i could come up with was, just have a lot of spare parts, and keep moving
[03:24] <holstein> try different jumper settings, and bios settings. try booting USB with plop.. etc
[03:24] <qwebirc84252> were old (~1999) CDROM drives incapable of acting as boot devices?
[03:24] <holstein> qwebirc84252: it'll be more about the configuration inside the machine, and the bios
[03:25] <holstein> there were jumpers.. and the cables can be bad.. the connectors..
[03:25] <qwebirc84252> when I get to the BIOS menu, the SYSTEM INFORMATION tab actually recognizes the device, but yet its not able to boot from it...
[03:26] <qwebirc84252> so jumpers at the wrong slot can prevent booting?
[03:26] <holstein> ok.. what *can* it boot from?
[03:26] <holstein> i dont know what is preventing boot, friend. i dont have that hardware here. im just saying, i would try *all* combinations, and just try other drives, since, i have other parts laying around
[03:26] <qwebirc84252> itit used to be able to boot from the CDRW drive in fact,just this morning, before constant reading from the CDRW drive caused it to go bad...
[03:26] <holstein> i mean, if you dug this out of the trash, anything can be wrong with it
[03:27] <holstein> qwebirc84252: i dont think that has been, in my opinion, and findings, what caused the drive to fail.. but, rather, a symptom of it failing
[03:28] <holstein> you are saying "the drive was spinning up and down, reading the iso, and that broke it.." and im saying "the drives, when they are failing, can sound like they are spinning up and down.."
[03:30] <holstein> anyways, what would i do? get something you know used to boot on that hardware.. even if its an old windows install iso..
[03:30] <qwebirc84252> no, it succesffully loaded the lubuntu splash and everything...
[03:31] <qwebirc84252> splash screen
[03:31] <holstein> cool. so, enjoy!. thats what its supposed to do..
[03:31] <qwebirc84252> right, but failed after that..
[03:31] <holstein> what failed after what?
[03:31] <qwebirc84252> right after
[03:31] <holstein> anyways, there are other iso's..
[03:32] <holstein> !mini
[03:32] <holstein> you can get the smallest iso, and read less from it, getting the installation going, *then* add lubuntu/lxde or whatever
[03:32] <qwebirc84252> right after splash screen loaded, constant reading from drive, waited for 15+ minutes with drive constantly reading (drive read light constantly on).
[03:32] <holstein> lol
[03:32] <holstein> i have waited *hours* on older hardware like that
[03:33] <holstein> you can try the smaller iso, though.. and you should get less reading from it..
[03:33] <holstein> sounds like, what i would expect from older hardware that is failing..
[03:35] <qwebirc84252> is the minimal cd a live cd that allows access to ubuntu repositories for additoinal installing while in live mode?
[03:35] <holstein> the minimal iso, is as i, and the link describe.. its small, and minimal. it will not read much from the optical drive
[03:35] <holstein> the end result is the same..
[03:35] <qwebirc84252> because I do not want to install anything (in fact I do not even have an IDE disk on that machine to install to)..  i just want to run with the functionality of the live cd in live mode.
[03:36] <holstein> qwebirc84252: is *is* ubuntu.. so, yes..  access to the same ubuntu repositories.. official ubuntu
[03:36] <qwebirc84252> right, but is the minimal cd a live cd, or is it only for installing?
[03:36] <holstein> qwebirc84252: its not a live iso
[03:36] <holstein> i dont think you will want to run live iso's like that on older hardware
[03:37] <holstein> but, if i were, i would look at puppy or something that loads in ram
[03:37] <qwebirc84252> with the "toram" option, all of the livecds contents are copied to ram, making the speed much more tolerable.
[03:37] <holstein> qwebirc84252: cool.. enjoy!
[03:38] <holstein> the lubuntu iso's are really not for that, though, are they?
[03:38] <holstein> its a matter of getting the proper tool corrrect? since, you are having issues with the tools?
[03:39] <holstein> anyways, the live iso's here are more about checking the hardware support, or recovery.. etc
[03:39] <qwebirc84252> but minimal will not help me since it is not live, and other minimal distros like DSL, TCL, puppy etc. do not come preloaded with the tv tuner drivers for my tuner card (and in some cases not even the dvb-apps) so that I could record TV while loaded into the live mode.
[03:39] <holstein> but, you are welcome to try and use them as you want.. i would want a "better" live media.. plop, and using the live iso from usb
[03:40] <holstein> qwebirc84252: sure.. so, dont use the minimal.. and, again, you can install to usb, and make whatever you you need with an actual install
[03:40] <holstein> nothing you are doing needs, or, will benefit from running live..
[03:40] <qwebirc84252> the live media are also very useful if you do not want to spend the time nor the disk(s) installing onto, and just want a fast solution to getting much OS functionlity.
[03:40] <holstein> you would think?
[03:41] <holstein> but, its actually just a matter, again, of meeting the needs. and if it were, you would be off using it..
[03:41] <holstein> i can do an install in about 7 minutes, and add all that software in a few after that
[03:41] <ianorlin> holstein: I think it depends on the speed of disks you are writing to
[03:42] <qwebirc84252> again, its not really about the install time, I also like the ability of loading everything into RAM for fastest access times, given the super-old hardware.
[03:42] <holstein> qwebirc84252: do it.. to the "toram" option on the installed OS
[03:43] <qwebirc84252> plop is proprietary software.  is there a free-software alternatie...?
[03:43] <qwebirc84252> alternative*
[03:44] <ianorlin> qwebirc84252: are you using coreboot  if not your bios code to boot from usb might be nonfree unless uefi has some wierd open source project with horrible coding starndards behind it
[03:44] <ianorlin> as I don't think the code to boot from usb on bios is free
[03:45] <holstein> there are many ways to implment booting usb on legacy hardware..
[03:45] <qwebirc84252> that's true...  bios is not free, but still, i'm sure there should be some FS alternative... there is almost always some FS alternative for everything nowadays
[03:45] <holstein> check around for whatever it is you seek.. when i want to boot usb on legacy hardware, i use plop, and it works great
[03:46] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromUSB if grub is acceptable..
[03:48] <qwebirc84252> so, with the grub floppy, it is possible to boot into liveUSB?
[03:49] <holstein> try it, and see
[03:49] <holstein> nothing about lubuntu is preventing you from booting it as you need, or, care to implement
[03:49] <holstein> when i read about what you are trying to do, i would personally just do a normal install to an internal drive, and have the machine up and running soon
[03:51] <ianorlin> argh I really don't like setting up grub manually that way that is not fun for me and could probably improve the lubuntu manual a lot in the time I spend tweaking somethign taht fiddly
[04:12] <qwebirc84252> holstein:  correct me if im wrong but it seems like SBM is a FS alternattiv to PLOP:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManager  ?
[10:32] <work_alkisg> qwebirc84252: I haven't read all the chat, but if you're trying to install *ubuntu to an old pc that doesn't have a cdrom and can't boot from usb, this one-line netbooting method will do it:
[10:32] <work_alkisg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot#Automation_script
[10:33] <alkisg> You do need another pc in the house though, to host the .iso via the network (with one command)
[13:11] <pmatulis_> anyone here running wily getting double icons in the indicator applets thingy?
[13:31] <holstein> qwebirc84252: try it, and see, friend...
[13:39] <krytarik> pmatulis_: LP bug 1488660.
[13:47] <pmatulis_> krytarik: thanks
[14:14] <Namete> hi
[14:14] <Namete> i tried to post a problem in the forums and i keep getting banned
[14:15] <Namete> i have a problem on Lubuntu
[14:15] <Namete> can anyone help me?
[14:16] <Namete> no?
[14:16] <Namete> just another sad irc chat :))
[14:16] <Namete> ubuntu comunity suck big time
[14:23] <NOOB> why you figgure banned all the times
[14:23] <NOOB> ???
[14:23] <NOOB> mysterious
[21:15] <TaZeR> hey does lubuntu use LXQT yet or is there an option to?
[21:16] <TaZeR> oh nvm just read news "Work continues on integrating LXQt into Lubuntu, but we'll likely not see it released until 16.10 (Y cycle). If you're curious about development, check out the blueprints. "
[21:16] <TaZeR> cant wait!
[21:16] <vikingredwolf> :)
[21:16] <vikingredwolf> we're anxious too
[21:16] <vikingredwolf> but I'm afraid we need to wait
[21:17] <vikingredwolf> PPAs are being re-built so using them will result in a bad outcome for your system
[21:17] <vikingredwolf> don't worry, TaZeR, you'll see the news :)
[21:17] <TaZeR> awesome