[02:01] <bill_lx> Having trouble loading 15.04 onto Microsoft Surface (Not Pro). Installing from usb get a few lines on screen then nothing. I have checked around abit and found a few similar cases on non-Surface machines. Would appreciate help because Surface is a nice machine - too good for windows.
[02:07] <holstein> bill_lx: you can look for other GPU drivers.. i will try lots of options til i can get the live iso working on new hardware
[02:07] <holstein> sometimes, the compromises can be challenging to deal with.. since linux is not supported
[02:08] <holstein> bill_lx: a lug member has the suface (not pro) and said he creates his own kernel for it
[02:09] <bill_lx> I can get debian jessie to install but have to load windows, then boot out and load as device  - ugly
[02:11] <bill_lx> I don't have skill or know-how to build own kernel - can read - so know where can get instructions?
[02:11] <holstein> bill_lx: well, thats the thing.. all the "instructions" are for what is supported for the hardware.. windows
[02:12] <holstein> so, it'l just be up to you to decide how you want to deal with providing support.. for me, i always keep the vesa driver on the table
[02:12] <holstein> but, i know, i have personally just avoided that hardware for this reason.. i was surprised when the LUG member had one..
[02:14] <bill_lx> Do you know how he did it - or how i can contact to find out for myself
[02:14] <holstein> bill_lx: sure, but, he is using fedora..
[02:14] <holstein> its just available as whatever the fedora equivalent is of a PPA
[02:16] <holstein> bill_lx: i am asking the user if you can speak to them..
[02:16] <bill_lx> Ok - :-D
[02:17] <holstein> bill_lx: the person is shvr in #wnclug and i have told him you would be asking..
[02:17] <bill_lx> Thank you - lots
[02:18] <holstein> you can /j #wnclug he is there now
[03:06] <tachibana> hi xubuntu
[03:06] <tachibana> it took a while to get used to xfce4 for some reason and i thought i was really missing a quicklauncher
[03:07] <tachibana> but now i realize a quicklauncher would be one small step away from probably being an Unity bloat replica anyways
[03:08] <holstein> use a lighter dock.. if you want
[03:08] <holstein> you can replicate a dock looking thing with an xfce panel..
[03:08] <tachibana> I kind of feel like just going to lxde
[03:09] <tachibana> that mouse-dog looking blue thing is a weird logo too
[08:25] <Kapello> Hey guys. I'm having trouble installing, anything really.. It gives me an E:/ (or something like that) error, I'm considering a re-install, but figured I'd try to fix it first, any of you know a solution?
[08:30] <Kapello> Alright I'm going to ehm.. Install Mint XFCE and see how that works out.
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[19:53] <xubuntu51w> Hi, can someone tell me will my files get deleted if I boot older version of kernel from grub? thank you
[19:56] <xubuntu51w> anyone?
[19:56] <Snicksie> they will not be deleted xubuntu51w
[19:58] <xubuntu51w> thanks, new to everything in linux and i cant lose files.
[21:46] <liquidsnake> anyone have trouble installing java?
[21:47] <liquidsnake> i need it for a chat group i'm in
[21:47] <knome> why not ask the real question you have about installing java?
[21:47] <liquidsnake> i think i may have found a workaround but have yet to test it
[21:47] <holstein> !java
[21:47] <ubottu> To just use java you need a "Java Runtime Environment" (JRE) and/or a browser plugin. If that is not sufficient you will need a "Java Development Kit" (JDK) aka "Software  Development Kit" (SDK).  Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java about how to install one of three current implementations.
[21:47] <liquidsnake> ok ty
[22:02] <liquidsnake> ok i downloaded the java tar.gz file. Now how do i install it? The installation instructions didn't help
[22:02] <liquidsnake> is there a command i can use in terminal
[22:03] <knome> liquidsnake, why aren't you installing java from the repositories?
[22:03] <liquidsnake> how do i do that?
[22:03] <knome> install openjdk-7-jre ?
[22:03] <knome> did you read the java wiki page at all?
[22:04] <liquidsnake> yeah but it doesn;t make any sense to me
[22:04] <morf> default-jre default-jdk
[22:04] <morf> it's simle to remember
[22:04] <liquidsnake> so are those commands to enter in terminal
[22:04] <morf> :)
[22:04] <morf> more like apt-get install default-jre default-jdk
[22:04] <knome> liquidsnake, well then you should ask.. not go elsewhere and start installing software that is from untrusted sources
[22:04] <liquidsnake> ok
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[23:51] <jjlava> Hi all