[00:01] <daftykins> wow, what an angry user.
[00:01] <DosTuMai> Yes...
[00:02] <daftykins> not sure what that fighting with bash talk was about :)
[00:04] <DosTuMai> Get ticked off? Take a break, stab some pixels in the face with pointy-looking pixels, go outside and do that 'RL' thing, or just step back & take a breather.
[00:05] <daftykins> heh tell that to that guy
[00:06] <DosTuMai> I have. =P
[00:06] <daftykins> ^_^
[00:06] <daftykins> much appreciated
[00:07] <daftykins> i mean i get people getting frustrated over their installs being broken, but it's kinda funny to start claiming someone elses ability is lacking when they don't even know how to fix it ;)
[00:09] <daftykins> TJ-: is Guest 5371 the same awkward one from yesterday and the last few days?
[00:10] <DosTuMai> I know I'm not very good with Ubuntu, but it's not fair to take it out on someone that's trying to help.
[00:11] <daftykins> no good deed goes unpunished :)
[00:12] <TJ-> I don't think so; IP addresses/ISP don't match
[00:12] <daftykins> ah ok ty :)
[00:13] <daftykins> wondered whether it was worth my time ;)
[00:13] <daftykins> seemed the same level of words in = words out
[00:19] <DosTuMai> He's on an Acer. There's the root of all the problems...
[00:20] <pauljw> the other is he doesn't think he's a noob...  splains the attitude.
[00:20] <DosTuMai> Pro tip: Never think you know everything. Because no one does, or ever will.
[00:21] <pauljw> exactly, i'm a noob only been using linux for almost 10yrs.  :)
[00:22] <daftykins> ^ same here
[00:23] <pauljw> :)
[00:23] <DosTuMai> Got in to Linux 12 years ago because i didn't want to pay for Windows. Never really learnt to use it properly, but it's so much easier to hack with.
[00:24] <pauljw> it's  my entertainment, learn something new every day... forget the following day, but keep at it anyway.
[00:25] <DosTuMai> xD
[00:25] <DosTuMai> Every Linux user I know says the same.
[00:28] <TJ-> The beauty of Linux ... comprehensive logs, text based configs even for a GUI, and the ability to poke about
[00:28] <Bashing-om> ^^ Amen .
[00:30] <pauljw> yeah, i love that.  cut my teeth on dos in the mid 80's and hated when i had to switch to windows, took the fun out of computing for me.  then i found linux...
[00:35] <TJ-> Windows was reasonable when it was still a small market and Microsoft were responsive to developers bug reports, but when they stopped providing feedback and fixes for things affecting customers and we couldn't workaround them, I switched to Linux to put our destiny in our own hands
[00:36] <daftykins> :)
[00:38] <DosTuMai> Joy, my cat attacked the mouse and cleared half my IRC channels.
[00:39] <pauljw> heheh...
[00:39] <pauljw> just living up to her name.
[00:41] <DosTuMai> It's only the inanimate kind she kills. She freaks out if birds land on the windowsill...
[00:41] <Bashing-om> My cat - Tinker -, will set beside me watching and waiting to be petted, then she has to demonstate how well she can type !
[00:42] <DosTuMai> Yes, that's amazing fun when you're trying to code.
[00:43] <DosTuMai> My Olivia does the same. Or sits on the keyboard when you're typing and she's demanding attention and/or food.
[00:43] <pauljw> cats are so cool.  i used to dislike them, had dogs.  then discovered that it was just other peoples cats i didn't like because they never let me get to know them.  once i had my own (my wife's acutally) i was hooked.
[00:44] <Bashing-om> DosTuMai: And will not cease and desist til she get's what she wants ! Now who can code and pet at the same same time ?
[00:45] <DosTuMai> As a woman, I can. =P
[00:46] <pauljw> :)
[00:46] <DosTuMai> Just takes like, a few billion times longer...
[00:47] <Bashing-om> Must be that womanly thing, can do 5 things at once and keep 7 others on the back burner .:)
[00:47] <TJ-> daftykins: Silver right now: https://iam.tj/photos/Silver_Sofa.jpg
[00:48] <daftykins> :D
[00:48] <daftykins> now that's comfort
[00:49] <TJ-> I swear she's bigger than a Wolf
[00:50] <Bashing-om> TJ-: After  hard day she retires to her own sofa ?
[00:51] <pauljw> beautiful!  Siberian?
[00:51] <TJ-> Bashing-om: Yes, I have that in the study for the dogs. There's usually 2 of the 3 on there, they rush for the best place usually
[00:51] <TJ-> pauljw: Yes, got 2 of them, Silver and Pepper
[00:52] <TJ-> Pepper and Flash are in the bedroom on their duvet :)
[00:52] <pauljw> :)
[00:53] <Bashing-om> We know who runs that household !
[00:54] <DosTuMai> The pets usually, yes. xD
[00:57] <Bashing-om> DosTuMai: 3 dogs, 2 cats -- let me out, let me in .. feed me .. pet me .. pet me .. I want "something" you figure it out .. Yeah pet's rule !
[00:59] <DosTuMai> Yup. My Olivia sits there screaming, "Human slave, I demand things!" and no matter what, she always gets her way somehow.
[01:05] <Bashing-om> Then she bring her current toy, and paws at you to play with her .. who can resist ?
[01:05] <TJ-> Bashing-om: none of that here. There's a dog door for them, and they get 2 meals a day and kicked outside :)
[01:05] <DosTuMai> It's the cute face that every animal pulls that does it.
[01:07] <pauljw> yeah, it looks that way TJ-   :)
[01:08] <TJ-> pauljw: at nights they are kicked out the lounge else they make a mess of the leather sofa
[01:09] <daftykins> this jacob is a right nutjob, i bet the 'break' is really from not knowing how to mount - too proud to be honest now
[01:09] <TJ-> I think the PC is overheating or has a bad RAM module or both
[01:09] <daftykins> *nod*
[01:09] <daftykins> definitely RAM or disk
[01:10] <daftykins> someone else is going to need to suggest running memtest, because my name is mud right now
[01:10] <pauljw> :)
[01:10] <daftykins> all because i don't follow when someone claims 'bash' is a terminal
[01:10] <pauljw> or a usb install is a cd..
[01:10] <TJ-> there have been apparent corruption episodes with USB I think, which points to in-memory issues
[01:16] <pauljw> time to spend some time with the family, bbl.
[01:19] <DosTuMai> It'll be both. The fan uses software built in to Windows, the RAM chips are really cheap tat that don't like any kind of warmth and the HDDs are usually poorly fitted.
[01:22] <daftykins> DosTuMai: you're not serious i hope
[01:22] <daftykins> because all of what you said is nonsense
[01:25] <DosTuMai> Could just be my Acer, then.
[01:25] <daftykins> yeah fans are managed by the BIOS
[01:30] <TJ-> CPU fans are managed by the ACPI sub-system usually. BIOS/UEFI will configure them to sane defaults. Later, the OS/apps can control them if the correct platfomr GPIOs are exposed via ACPI DSDT or other routes
[01:30] <daftykins> claiming control is Windows only is certainly inaccurate though
[01:33] <TJ-> It can be a driver-thing, and sometimes the manufacturer only makes Windows platform drivers. That used to be a big problem where Linux would overheat but Windows was OK
[01:35] <daftykins> hmm i'd only seen that be relevant to graphics drivers
[01:35] <DosTuMai> ^That. Just not getting it across as well. You need to download drivers for some Acer laptop fans.
[01:36] <daftykins> never seen that - and i have done a lot of Windows support on acers 0o
[01:41] <TJ-> Last time I saw that kind of issue was about 8 years ago; I remember it since I was working on the Ubuntu kernel ACPI at the time and quite a few bugs came in abut it
[01:41] <DosTuMai> Never a problem with Windows. Had 8 on this and everything worked fine. Installed Ubuntu and the fan refused to work. Googled, saw loads of Acer laptops have the same issue. Found & downloaded a fan control driver, now it works most of the time.
[01:43] <TJ-> Yeah, missing thermal methods in the ACPI DSDT, *or* they're there but you need to boot with "acpi_osi=Windows 2012" or similar to activate them
[01:51] <daftykins> :/
[01:51] <daftykins> what does that acpi_osi do?
[01:51] <daftykins> use a different mode?
[01:54] <TJ-> ACPI has the concept of Operating System Interfaces (OSI). The code in the DSDT changes its behaviour depending on the OS that is running it. when "Linux" is the OSI many DSDTs only provide a bear minimum of methods. By over-riding it to use the OS name with the  most functional support we can often fix issues affecting configuration and power
[01:55] <DosTuMai|Fewding> Oh my...
[01:56] <TJ-> The quick way to check is ask the user to do "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | egrep -i (windows|linux)" and pick the most recent Windows version
[01:59] <daftykins> wow, that's really sucky of them to provide less based on the OS
[01:59] <TJ-> This is why kernel devs get so pissy at manufacturers that deliberately don't provide equivalent support
[01:59] <TJ-> Because there's no reason not to
[02:00] <TJ-> Linux gets a bad name from users who don't know this is the cause of poor Linux performance in some way or other
[02:00] <daftykins> mmm
[02:01] <daftykins> there's some really weird behaviour out there
[02:01] <TJ-> BTW, this is a big cause of the recent issues with folks having Wifi radios they cannot turn on, because the rfkill functions are disabled unless "Windows 2012" is the OSI
[02:01] <daftykins> :/
[02:01] <TJ-> So if you get one of those, first thing to try is "acpi_osi=XXXXXX" after identifying the most recent Windows version in the DSDT
[04:31] <Bashing-om> Eyes are crossing, time to call it for this session . later !
[05:53] <lotuspsychje> good morning mates
[06:05] <daftykins> \o
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> hiya daftykins
[06:06] <daftykins> oy, having to guide someone to use a text editor to edit a file was quite the record breaker
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:08] <lotuspsychje> vi nightmare?
[06:08] <daftykins> nano!
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett and Ben64
[06:29] <cfhowlett> hey ^3
[06:29] <Ben64> hi
[06:29]  * lotuspsychje slides few coffees around the channel
[06:29] <Ben64> ew
[06:29]  * Ben64 grabs a pepsi throwback
[06:30] <lotuspsychje> lol pepsi
[06:30]  * cfhowlett wishes he had a cup of freshly brewed Market Spice orange & black tea ...
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> black chinese tea hmmm never tasted that1
[06:33] <cfhowlett> lotuspsychje, nope.  taste from home: http://www.sotaissexy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/market-spice-tea.jpg
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> lets c
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> thats orange flavored black tea?
[06:35] <cfhowlett> orange / cinammon         very distinctive and delicious.  sadly, unavailable here.  I may have to request a care package
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> sounds yummy cfhowlett
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> i like all kinds of asian food alot
[06:43] <cfhowlett> :) luckily, me too.  Western food is hit and miss in Beijing.  Even "standard" stuff is different due to different ingredient sources.
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> lol
[06:43] <lotuspsychje> western food is fat and good for heart attacks
[06:43] <cfhowlett> and that's exactly why we love it!
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> loool
[06:44] <daftykins> cfhowlett: was it work that took you out there?
[06:44] <lotuspsychje> i have other plans to kill myself when im old
[06:44] <cfhowlett> indeed.
[06:44] <daftykins> how's the smog?
[06:44] <daftykins> looks pretty bad in articles i've seen
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> london is bad also
[06:45] <daftykins> i've not seen it like that
[06:45] <daftykins> i'm heading up actually on Thursday
[06:46] <cfhowlett> when it's bad, it's horrifically bad.  apocalypse, extinction level even bad.  but ... after a strong overnight wind, Beijing can be truly beautiful.
[06:46] <daftykins> :)
[06:49] <daftykins> time to watch Guardians of the Galaxy
[06:49] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: shadows of mordor looking very neat on ubuntu
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> thats one bright game to start the gaming on linux future
[06:50] <daftykins> bright? :) i thought it was all brown!
[06:50] <lotuspsychje> lol yes very dark bright game
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> anyway im out also, cleaning day here
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> cheers guys
[06:51] <daftykins> enjoy o/
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[11:22]  * daftykins waits for the kick
[11:24] <DosTuMai> It's my bad for not having the obvious idea of putting "| pastebinit" on the end...
[11:24] <daftykins> ;)
[11:25] <daftykins> nah dw, bazhang is a fully head-up-ass op who does nothing but enforce the rules without any kind of brains applied to them
[11:25] <daftykins> sometimes it's useful for the trolls, but in times like this it just goes to show how sad they all are.
[11:25] <daftykins> i mean i've helped for years but nope, still gotta have a little Hitler barking the rules i already know at me
[11:25] <DosTuMai> Ugh, he's got a Napoleon complex?
[11:26] <daftykins> probably :D
[11:27] <MonkeyDust> Napoleon was of normal length, for his time
[11:27] <MonkeyDust> i wonder where the expression comes from
[11:28] <EriC^^> i thought humans used to be taller before
[11:28] <EriC^^> (?)
[11:28] <MonkeyDust> no, people were shorter
[11:29] <daftykins> i heard height kept growing once we ate better, no data to prove it though
[11:29] <EriC^^> oh, cool
[11:29] <DosTuMai> That's the current thought. It's diet and healthcare that's made us taller.
[11:29] <MonkeyDust> you can see that in a museum, clothes were smaller, hence people were shorte
[11:29] <MonkeyDust> r
[11:30] <DosTuMai> But I was referring to the "I have slight power, and therefore shall use it!" complex. Or 'mall cop syndrome,' if you prefer.
[11:31] <MonkeyDust> the trick is; small successes first, so people believe in you... then big successes
[11:33] <daftykins> ah well if i disconnect throughout the day i'll see you all in here still :P
[11:34] <daftykins> seriously, years of help and you can still get snuffed out in seconds by some angry twat
[11:34] <daftykins> laters all \o
[11:34] <DosTuMai> Zaijian~
[11:34] <EriC^^> laters \o
[11:36] <MonkeyDust> daftykins  ikonia would not have been so friendly with you, like bazhang was
[11:36] <MonkeyDust> or patient
[11:37] <daftykins> oh i have a history with most of them ;)
[11:40] <DosTuMai> At least you were more polite than me. I swear like a trooper, it's really hard to keep my typing to 'family' levels.
[11:42] <DosTuMai> Right, time to reboot my laptop's brain. Back in a few. o7
[11:48] <daftykins> 12:47 < daftykins> eagles0513875_: kill -USR1 $PID_of_dd
[11:48] <daftykins> 12:47 -!- #ubuntu Cannot send to channel
[11:48] <daftykins> *shrug*
[11:49] <daftykins> DosTuMai: :D ty sir
[11:49] <DosTuMai> Ma'am*
[11:49] <daftykins> ok i really gotta go this time *scurries*
[11:49] <daftykins> ah sorry
[11:50] <daftykins> (haha tell the guy the progress will be very little if it's not running XD )
[11:52] <DosTuMai> Wow, I look awesome, now. xD
[12:04] <MonkeyDust> lotuspsychje
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> MonkeyDust
[12:05] <EriC^^> lotuspsychje:
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^
[12:05] <EriC^^> :D
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> did you guys wait on a chair until i joined?
[12:05] <EriC^^> i had a flower in my hand
[12:05] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:05] <EriC^^> he's joining, he's not joining..
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> wahahaha
[12:06] <EriC^^> lol
[12:06]  * lotuspsychje feels the spring breeze in the air
[12:06] <cfhowlett> flower?  FLOWER?  son, we grown men here.  You come back with a well chilled BREW and we can talk.
[12:06] <lotuspsychje> oO
[12:06] <EriC^^> lol
[12:07] <MonkeyDust> and some blues music
[12:07]  * EriC^^ takes the testoterone injections away and hides them
[12:07] <cfhowlett> houston blues music!
[12:07] <cfhowlett> and the obligatory bbq
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> mmm bbq
[12:07] <EriC^^> oh yeah :D
[12:08] <lotuspsychje> sweet honey spare ribs n beer
[12:08] <DosTuMai> =o
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> DosTuMai: welcome :p
[12:09] <MonkeyDust> =O looks like the Enterprise from star trek
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> and DosTuMai is mr spock
[12:10] <DosTuMai> Kobayashi Maru.
[12:10] <lotuspsychje> hai!
[12:10] <MonkeyDust> mai!
[12:11]  * DosTuMai grumbles and looks up her dress.
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> your a girl?
[12:11] <MonkeyDust> 7 of 9
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> ioria: hi mate :p
[12:11] <ioria> hi .... where are the cards ?
[12:11] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:11] <DosTuMai> Unless I'm an emergent AI... haven't decided yet.
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> im sorry ioria sold the cards for money
[12:12] <ioria> goood ... bad habit... :)
[12:12] <lotuspsychje> :p
[12:13] <DosTuMai> I've got a decent deck of Magic, probably wont help there.
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> so far for quality ubuntu discussions...
[12:14] <DosTuMai> [insert obligatory Ubuntu rocks statement here]
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> :p
[12:14] <DosTuMai> Oki, I've satisfied that requirement.
[12:14] <lotuspsychje> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/watch-canonical-showing-off-the-latest-unity-8-interface-for-ubuntu-phone-493493.shtml
[12:16] <DosTuMai> Wait. Ubuntu phones are a thing? To the g00gle-scope!
[12:16] <ioria> phones are a very good market ....
[12:17]  * lotuspsychje is waiting for his BQ aquarius 4.5 ubuntu edition to deliver
[12:17] <DosTuMai> Hmm, I wonder how impact resistant they are...
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> DosTuMai: shock resistant?
[12:18] <MonkeyDust> resistance is futile
[12:18] <DosTuMai> I cycle lots, so that means killing most phones pretty quick...
[12:18] <lotuspsychje> you ride over the phone?
[12:19] <DosTuMai> I also crash lots, but that's another thing entirely...
[12:19] <MonkeyDust> how are phones related to cycling?
[12:19] <lotuspsychje> phones arent meant to be thrown
[12:20] <DosTuMai> You get handlebar mounts for phones. It's handy if you're cycling in a new place.
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> garmin gps for bikes
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> i see alot of ppl jogging also with iphone branched to their arms
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> oO
[12:20] <DosTuMai> But Garmins don't have music...
[12:20] <lotuspsychje> yes they do
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> sd card==>music==>listen
[12:21] <DosTuMai> O_O
[12:21] <DosTuMai> Why was I not informed of this before? That would've saved the last 6 phones I killed...
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:22] <MonkeyDust> poor innocent phones killed
[12:22] <cfhowlett> they'll be remembered ...
[12:22] <DosTuMai> Not my fault trees jump out at me.
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> RIP
[12:23] <DosTuMai> If trees weren't so evil and fast, those phones would never have been sent to see the great Toaster in the sky.
[12:24] <MonkeyDust> what are the trees from lord of the rings called again
[12:24] <DosTuMai> Ents.
[12:24] <MonkeyDust> yes
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> those are my fav charatcers of lotr
[12:25] <MonkeyDust> one of our first games, back in the 80's, on ZX spectrum, was 'the hobbit'
[12:26] <DosTuMai> That was a great game!
[12:26] <MonkeyDust> "Say Gandalf; go left"
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> my first was platoon on c64
[12:29] <ioria> great  movie !!!
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> DosTuMai: dont be this guy with your y-phones lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jid2A7ldc_8
[12:32] <MonkeyDust> time for a beer in town, cya!
[12:34] <ioria> cya... that's terrible.... lotuspsychje
[12:34] <DosTuMai> lotuspsychje: I only replace my phone when it dies.
[12:34] <lotuspsychje> :p
[12:36] <DosTuMai> I'm currently using a Nokia Asha 205.
[12:37] <DosTuMai> My spare handset because it's useful to keep one in a drawer.
[12:38] <ioria> i'm very lucky to be poor ...
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> to be poor is already living back to basic
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> thats a good thing ioria
[12:39] <ioria> so i can't buy new stuff ^_^
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> its the future back2basic and free opensource community
[15:45] <DosTuMai> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1XfDBb8toplMDJoM2N0S2tMbjg/view?usp=sharing
[15:59] <DosTuMai> xD
[15:59]  * DosTuMai strokes her pussy.
[16:00] <pauljw> heheh... that's just wrong...
[16:00] <DosTuMai> Oops.
[16:00] <DosTuMai> Wrong channel...
[16:00] <DosTuMai> I meant cat...
[16:01] <pauljw> :)  sure you did
[16:02] <DosTuMai> Listening to a radio station, DJ says, "stop touching yourself inappropriately." How else is a troll supposed to respond?
[16:16] <DosTuMai|Fewding> Plug: Tune in to eve-radio.com because it's awesome.
[16:17] <ioria> who's this gay ? ^_^
[16:17] <ioria> *guy
[16:17] <ioria> sorry
[16:18] <DosTuMai|Fewding> On ERP, Wiggles is playing: Paolo Nutini - Iron Sky
[16:18] <ioria> nice...
[16:20] <ioria> we play music for the masses ....
[16:20] <DosTuMai|Fewding> So pro, Wiggles. xD
[16:20] <DosTuMai|Fewding> >_<
[16:23] <DosTuMai|Fewding> You missed Barber's Adaggio in A Minor leading to Switchblade Symphony. xD
[16:23] <ioria> ghostbusters ....
[16:24] <DosTuMai|Fewding> And Nine Inch Nails! xD
[16:26] <DosTuMai|Fewding> It's wrong, but awesome at the same time.
[16:26] <ioria> yep
[16:32] <ioria> he is drunk ....
[16:32] <DosTuMai|Fewding> No, he's like that all the time.
[16:32] <ioria> good
[16:33] <DosTuMai|Fewding> I know Wiggles, he's several orders of magnitude crazier while drunk.
[16:40] <DosTuMai|Fewding> All hail the Almighty Zoidberg. (\/)o_o(\/)
[16:48] <ioria> my name is Optimus Prime
[16:48] <DosTuMai|Fewding> We are autonomous cybernetic organisms from the planet Cybertron. *Drop.*
[16:49] <DosTuMai|Fewding> And some Nero, awesome.
[16:51] <DosTuMai|Fewding> "American football, the only game longer than golf." Couldn't agree more.
[16:52] <ioria> rugby....
[16:52] <DosTuMai|Fewding> It's not rugby if you're wearing more armour than a knight.
[16:56] <DosTuMai|Fewding> https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28272-psychedelic-maps-of-ceres-could-reveal-secrets-of-its-surface/
[17:25] <DosTuMai|Fewding> No. No it wasn't...
[17:38] <DosTuMai|Fewding> http://www.choishine.com/Projects/giants.html
[17:57] <DosTuMai> Inna mahff. *Nods.*
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> good evening mates
[18:42] <OerHeks> Hi lotus
[18:43] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: See'n you pop up at this time - not at shift change - Must be a Sunday . \O/
[18:43] <lotuspsychje> hello OerHeks and Bashing-om
[18:43] <OerHeks> It is Animalday here in NL.
[18:44] <OerHeks> oh it is World-Animal-day \o/
[18:45] <Bashing-om> My pets ( animals ) get spoiled every day .. they do not need a special day .
[18:45] <lotuspsychje> how you guys like my netbook desktop: http://oi60.tinypic.com/25ioo03.jpg
[18:46] <OerHeks> Here too, when i just told Drabber it is animal day, he looked silly to me ( like his boss )
[18:46] <OerHeks> My mom likes that background too, lotus :-D
[18:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[18:50] <Bashing-om> lotuspsychje: Pretty, very .. but to fancy for my simple taste .
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> Bashing-om: hows yours looking like then :p
[18:51]  * lotuspsychje always curious for user desktops
[18:53] <OerHeks> Here is mine http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=35lvi14&s=8#.VhF1kHVStBc
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> nice one OerHeks
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> !info clementine
[18:56] <ubot5`> clementine (source: clementine): modern music player and library organizer. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.3+dfsg-2build1 (vivid), package size 4400 kB, installed size 19114 kB
[18:57] <DosTuMai> lotuspsychje: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1XfDBb8toplaEhUeHdGb0dDMG8/view
[18:58] <OerHeks> you guys are all wireless :-(
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: im on netbook atm :p
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> upstairs cable
[18:59] <DosTuMai> Laptop here.
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> DosTuMai: nice1 anime fan? gnome classic?
[18:59] <DosTuMai> Yes and yes. =]
[19:00] <OerHeks> grinn anime classic, gnome fan?
[19:00] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:01]  * lotuspsychje feels bit r3v3rs3d
[19:01] <DosTuMai> It's easier, and I find the side-bar messy.
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> i got used to unity
[19:04] <OerHeks> hmmm https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/10/02/canonical-launches-new-internet-of-toys-initiative-with-partners/
[19:07] <DosTuMai> Hmm, interesting. Shame I'm not on mainland EU.
[19:41] <DosTuMai> http://xkcd.com/1288/
[19:43] <ioria> what's that ?
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> oO
[19:43] <DosTuMai> You don't read xkcd? o_O
[19:43] <lotuspsychje> we never heard of this :p
[19:44] <DosTuMai> D=
[19:44] <DosTuMai> Jinkies.
[19:44] <lotuspsychje> we are real noobs here
[19:44] <ioria> oh... yes... i remember
[19:44] <ioria> car -> cat
[19:44] <DosTuMai> Electric -> Atomic.
[19:45] <DosTuMai> Inside Elon Musks atomic cat. =o
[19:45] <ioria> "near Piccadilly two cats crashed in to a barber shop...."
[19:46] <DosTuMai> xD
[19:50] <ioria> have you ever make a donation via web ? to Wikimedia , for example ... o to Big Cat Rescue ...
[19:52] <DosTuMai> A few times, yes.
[19:52] <ioria> how it works ? credit card... pay pal ...
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> ioria: wich project you wanna support?
[19:53] <ioria> lotuspsychje, if i had the money, both  ^_?
[19:53] <DosTuMai> Depends on the company. They usually have a donate link on the website. And lotuspsychje beat me to asking who.
[19:54] <ioria> ok
[19:54] <DosTuMai> Wikimedia uses both paypal and credit card payments. No idea about Big Cat Rescue.#
[19:55] <lotuspsychje> big cats like in lions?
[19:55] <ioria> http://bigcatrescue.org/      yes,  paypal and visa .... they are awesome guys
[19:56] <ioria> no need a bank account ....
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> lol
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> ioria: you can support things free also in the world
[19:56] <ioria> yes
[19:57] <ioria> for example, sometimes you can make a donation simply sending an sms with your phone ....
[19:58] <ioria> i mean ... i need  a bank account :-|
[19:58] <lotuspsychje> ioria: search for LETS groups in italy, their nice trading systems for free
[20:00] <ioria> interesting .... thanx
[20:01] <ioria> bye bye lotuspsychje and DosTuMai
[20:01] <lotuspsychje> nite
[20:02] <DosTuMai> A bit late...
[20:02] <lotuspsychje> :p
[20:04] <DosTuMai> Helping a friend pic music for his show.
[20:04] <lotuspsychje> what kind of show
[20:05] <DosTuMai> Music: Swing, jazz, stuff.
[20:05] <lotuspsychje> try jamendo.com for free music to share without copyrights
[20:08] <DosTuMai> Interesting.
[20:29] <MonkeyDust> or cmd.fm for frree music
[20:29] <lotuspsychje> also copyright free MonkeyDust ?
[20:32] <lotuspsychje> cool site
[21:03] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: alot of forums on that L1 error: http://askubuntu.com/questions/616119/unstable-wireless-with-intel-7260-iwlwifi-after-upgrade-to-15-04
[21:04] <TJ-> It's a PCIE power management facility.
[21:04] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[21:05] <TJ-> It relies on firmware cooperation via ACPI DSDT code; and we all know how the manufacturers make that key off the OS, hence why 2acpi_osi=Windows 2012" or similar can fix it
[21:05] <lotuspsychje> i wonder if he's fully updated
[21:06] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: like you say intel should have closed that bug
[21:06] <TJ-> if its ACPI then we can't blame Intel; it's an HP firmware bug
[21:07] <TJ-> They make it so the PC is only going to operate correctly with a windows OS
[21:07] <lotuspsychje> i had weird stuff on hp before with a 'last state wifi' option in bios also once
[21:07] <lotuspsychje> boot win= wifi works boot ubuntu= no wifi
[21:08] <Bashing-om> Everytime I see TJ- My day brightens, 'cause I know I am going to learn something .
[21:08] <lotuspsychje> :p
[21:08] <lotuspsychje> opensource learning is fantastic
[21:09] <lotuspsychje> who needs those microsux training anyway
[21:10] <Bashing-om> Uh huh, hands on, real world experience . Now that is the way to know .
[21:11] <lotuspsychje> even if linux is hard sometimes, it all makes sense when its explained
[21:13] <DosTuMai|St00f> Unless you're that guy yesterday...
[21:13] <lotuspsychje> lol did i miss something
[21:13] <DosTuMai|St00f> "even if linux is hard sometimes, it all makes sense when its explained" Puts Jacob from yesterday in mind.
[21:19] <TJ-> :D
[21:20] <TJ-> I often think it's ironic the fuss created over Microsoft requiring UEFI/SecureBoot (which is a good thing in general, as long as Linux can take part in SecureBoot) but zero fuss about manfuacturers making their firmware function worse when Linux is the OS
[21:22] <lotuspsychje> alot of machines cant block linux to be installed
[21:22] <lotuspsychje> and with snappy comming...
[21:32] <OerHeks> TJ-, someone should start a list with UEFI machines that do that.
[21:33] <TJ-> OerHeks: 1. HP !!!
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:33] <OerHeks> ouch !
[21:33] <TJ-> Seem a lot recently and they all exhibit as wifi radio rfkill hard/soft block issues
[21:33] <TJ-> s/Seem/Seen/
[21:33] <OerHeks> that one i didn't see comming :-(
[21:34] <TJ-> there's also a sub-set of HP that show the same symptoms that can be cured by blacklisting hp-wmi module
[21:35]  * OerHeks takes a note
[21:35] <lotuspsychje> TJ-: yeah saw that acer-wmi blacklist in boards also
[21:36] <lotuspsychje> im curious how linux-firmware will perform on 15.10
[21:36] <TJ-> Yeah, WMI = Windows Management Instrumention ... its functions have leaked into the ACPI DSDT; really annoying
[21:37] <TJ-> linux-firmware is just a collection of FW for devices; it doesn't affect this issue at all. FW is for embedded microcontrollers. ACPI DSDT is a byte-code (rather like Java) that the host OS executes, but is defined by the manufacturer
[21:38] <lotuspsychje> yeah im jumping from one to other thoughts
[21:39] <TJ-> At least we can decompile DSDT, and if we really want to, replace it with our own
[21:41] <lotuspsychje> if anyone finds an EID identity card reader chipset that works out of the box on ubuntu, lemme know ok
[21:41] <OerHeks> lotuspsychje, ask JanC maybe?
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> if he's awake
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> probably in idle zone
[21:43] <lotuspsychje> ok im out for today
[21:43] <lotuspsychje> nite nite mates
[21:44] <OerHeks> :-)
[22:11] <JanC> I think most eID readers use the same or similar chips
[22:11] <JanC> mine has a ACR38U chip
[22:13] <JanC> or something compatible with that
[22:14] <DosTuMai|St00f> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1XfDBb8toplVzZneXMySlg5ZGM
[22:18] <JanC> (assuming we are talking about the Belgian and not the Estonian eID ;) )
[22:19] <TJ-> Or the Cattle ID :)
[22:22] <daftykins> hi all \o
[22:23] <daftykins> TJ-: i think i helped someones situation with that DSDT stuff already :D
[22:23] <TJ-> YAY :)
[22:24] <daftykins> just to confirm though, when they have the 2012 entry the boot parameter should read: acpi_osi="Windows 2012" ?
[22:25] <TJ-> or including the quotes "acpi_osi=Windows 2012"  ... if you do it your way, and look at /proc/cmdline after boot, you'll see the quotes surround the entire parameter
[22:25] <daftykins> hrmm
[22:26] <TJ-> So, if it is added to /etc/default/grub you need to escape the quotes with \" ... \"
[22:26] <daftykins> hmm that adds some complication
[22:26] <TJ-> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="\"acpi_osi=Windows 2012\""
[22:27] <daftykins> i was concerned about the space if i avoided them all
[22:27] <TJ-> when added manually via GRUB editing, your way is fine
[22:28] <daftykins> ah right, i find when we tell users to try something temporarily they inevitably end up putting it in as a permanent measure :(
[22:28] <daftykins> must be higher google results for that edit :D
[22:29] <daftykins> ah well, still banned for now so it may be a while anyway :)
[22:31] <TJ-> banned?
[22:31] <daftykins> yeah in #ubuntu, just not kicked
[22:31] <TJ-> how come!?
[22:32] <daftykins> well, lets say one of the more Napoleonic ops decided i should be told the rules again despite having helped for years
[22:33] <daftykins> as someone from in here was asking a question which i mentioned was easily found online
[22:33] <daftykins> then i may have questioned the intelligence of said op :)
[22:34]  * TJ- rolls eyes
[22:35] <daftykins> i suspect i'm on a time out / being made to go and grovel for its' removal
[22:35] <DosTuMai|St00f> My bad for not defining search strings properly and having the bright idea of adding "| pastebinit" on the end.
[22:36] <TJ-> That's ridiculous. One reason I've never become an Op is several of those that are seem to me to have the wrong attitude. Anyone who wants to be an Op generally isn't suitable
[22:36] <daftykins> naaah, i have an ongoing history with the ops ;)
[22:36] <TJ-> [#ubuntu] *!*@pdpc/supporter/21for7/daftykins banned by bazhang (~bazhang@unaffiliated/bazhang) on Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:22:36
[22:37] <daftykins> yeah i don't think i would ever seek a position of authority on this network, even if i were op material
[22:38] <Bashing-om> The things I miss when I sleep !
[22:38] <daftykins> :D
[22:38] <OerHeks> This is sad, but you have struggled with bazang before ..
[22:38] <daftykins> *nod*
[22:38] <TJ-> We should have mode +F on the channel so at least folks who are banned from the main channel are forwarded to another unregulated
[22:40] <TJ-> Right! I'm off to bed before midnight for once, try to get my hours back to daylight :)
[22:40] <Bashing-om> OK, new guy - me - has to ask .. whatever become of the 'team spirit' that banning has been a justified action ?
[22:40] <daftykins> TJ-: that's what i was doing by being up 'til midday XD
[22:40] <daftykins> ooh i'd dread to come back and find myself in -offtopic though ;)
[22:40] <TJ-> LOL it never works for long
[22:40] <TJ-> daftykins: #ubuntu-sinbin
[22:40] <daftykins> nah i do a few days then i'm gone again :>
[22:41] <daftykins> hehe
[22:41] <daftykins> Bashing-om: apparently years of service means nothing to them, if you call them out your name is mud regardless
[22:41] <DosTuMai> Night, TJ-. o/
[22:41] <TJ-> I've got 4 0-U vertical CDUs to strip down and rebuild tomorrow, and to do that I need to clear a heck of a lot of workbench space
[22:41] <daftykins> yep nn TJ- \o
[22:41] <OerHeks> :-)
[22:51] <daftykins> if that Sac... user comes back i think it's the case of being in a USB 3.0 port instead of 2.0
[22:52] <daftykins> right, time for an early night as well \o
[22:53] <DosTuMai> Night, daftykins. o/
[22:54] <Bashing-om> I try and hold it together 'til ya return .
[23:18] <DosTuMai> Well, I'm going to grumble at lotuspsychje tomorrow. Already downloaded 27 albums from the website they linked...