[09:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:10] <marshmn> hi all; any idea how I can install Windows inside a VirtualBox VM (on Ubuntu host), when the Windows installation media is a USB stick that I created when I first got this laptop (using some app inside windows to create a system restore disk)?
[09:11] <marshmn> VirtualBox doesn't seem to see my USB stick at all to map it through to OS
[09:11] <marshmn> or machine rather
[09:11] <marshmn> nor does converting it to a disk image with DD seem to work - VirtualBox doesn't like that
[09:12] <marshmn> I then tried converting the image to an ISO - but that fails because the image file is bigger than 4GB
[09:12] <daftykins> which windows?
[09:12] <marshmn> Windows 8.1
[09:12] <daftykins> do you have a legal key?
[09:12] <marshmn> yes
[09:12] <daftykins> download it from microsoft with their utility, it can create an ISO fresh
[09:12] <daftykins> then you can use that
[09:12] <marshmn> I got that from the machine before I trashed Windows and put Ubuntu on
[09:12] <marshmn> oh, I can download it?
[09:12] <marshmn> hmm
[09:12] <daftykins> mmhmm
[09:13] <marshmn> I know you can download Windows 10 - didn't realise you can get 8.1
[09:13] <daftykins> and 7 allegedly
[09:14] <marshmn> I need to run a Windows executable to do this?
[09:14] <marshmn> there lies a slight issue :)
[09:14] <daftykins> yip
[09:14] <daftykins> mmm guess it's a bit chicken and egg, you don't have any windows media at all?
[09:15] <marshmn> I have no Windows running personally, but I'm sure I can find a Windows machine I can use in the office
[09:15] <marshmn> thanks for your help
[09:16] <daftykins> np
[12:20] <mjayk> are there any ubuntu / linux groups in manchester
[12:21] <penguin42> mjayk: Yes
[12:21] <penguin42> mjayk: There is manlug
[12:22] <penguin42> mjayk: http://manlug.org/   next meeting in a couple of weeks
[12:22]  * penguin42 must write his talk for it
[12:22] <penguin42> mjayk: There is also an Openstack group http://www.meetup.com/Manchester-OpenStack-Meetup/events/223737111/ if you're into more system stuff
[12:24] <penguin42> mjayk: Oh and http://madlab.org.uk/groups/manchester-free-software/
[12:47] <mjayk> penguin42: thanks alot sorry I was afk
[12:47] <mjayk> penguin42: i take it you attend?
[12:47] <penguin42> mjayk: Yes, most months
[12:48] <mjayk> cool cool ill keep an eye out for when the next one is
[12:48] <penguin42> mjayk: 17th I think, there's also a mailing list you can join that's mostly about the meetings
[12:49] <mjayk> just going over the site now :)
[12:49] <mjayk> currybeer :o
[12:50] <penguin42> oh yeh, that group I think do Friday evenings once a month, mostly involving the curry mile
[13:00] <zmoylan-pi> currybeer? a real timesaver :-)
[13:06] <mjayk> t
[14:27] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: that's a good laxative
[15:03] <DJOnes> Is it just me, or has BBC Sports twitter account gone pretty much silent on the RU World Cup, from messages every few minutes, to 1-2 an hour
[15:04] <DJOnes> And on that note, BBC Sports links to "Where did it all go wrong" :)
[15:04] <DJOnes> Pretty easy to answer, they let the oposition score more points than them in 2 out of 3 games
[15:09] <diddledan> I'm really annoyed that people are saying the manager should be sacked
[15:10] <diddledan> I hate this pattern of employing a guy for a month before a major international and then sacking him when we don't win
[15:11] <diddledan> football is worse at that tho
[15:11] <diddledan> seems the contracts must be stating as a condition of employment that the team cannot lose any matches ever
[15:13] <DJOnes> diddledan: Yeah, agree with that, Rugby Union isn't my sport (Rugby League is), but sacking a manager for short term poor results is wrong.  The manager needs time to build, it doesn't happen overnight, it takes years to develop a decent manager.  Look at Alex Ferguson at Man United, with the results he had at the start of his career, he'd have been sacked quickly nowadays, instead he was given time and became one of the worlds greatest ever ...
[15:13] <DJOnes> ... managers
[15:13] <diddledan> exactly
[15:14] <DJOnes> My Rugby League team have done the same, we've had a manager in place for 3-4 years, never been great, but has been building over time, to the point he;s been mentioned as a future England manager
[15:14] <diddledan> and it takes time for a team to become cohesive too - football is terrible at "buy the most expensive player. blame manger when that player has a huge ego and doesn't play well in the team causing the team to lose"
[15:16] <DJOnes> Definately, in Rugby League we've had a guy come into club ownership (with experience as a horse racing owner) that seems to think if you but 17 red rums, shergars etc, they'd all be able to play together, when their best points are their indivudality
[15:17] <diddledan> I feel that the best players are those that work well with a team rather than being very good at kicking against a goalpost
[15:18] <DJOnes> In any sport, you could buy the worlds best players, but their own indivduality would stop them being a good team, and as they say "there's no I in TEAM"
[15:18] <diddledan> being a good kicker is great if your team can get the opportunity but if the team doesn't work together to generate opportunity then you can have the best kicker in the world but lose every game
[15:18] <DJOnes> Yep
[15:19] <diddledan> the rugby manager definitely shouldn't be sacked imo
[15:19] <DJOnes> I'd agree
[15:19] <diddledan> and bringing it up the instant we fall out of the championship is just unfair
[15:21] <DJOnes> At the end of the day, a manager/coach gives suggestions on how to play, if the oposition do something different to expected the plans are useless and its up to the players on the pitch to deal with it and play to the best of their ability
[15:21] <diddledan> you really need a decent amount of time to analyse and digest whether anything went wrong or we were just bested by a better team. only then if there is blame that can be attributed shoudl you consider such actions
[15:21] <DJOnes> And saying that, no player ever goes out to not play at their best, they play for pride
[15:22] <diddledan> unless they're being bribed :-p
[15:22] <DJOnes> Very true, no matter how good you are, somebody else can be better (despite what you're told)
[15:22] <DJOnes> Heh, yeah, but thats normally football or snooker
[15:22] <diddledan> lol
[15:24] <DJOnes> Feels wierd, defending an England RU coach, when I don't have much interest in Rugby Union, and I support Wales as well :)
[15:24] <DJOnes> Must be looking forward to the 6 Nations
[15:24] <DJOnes> Guaranteed 3 points :)
[15:25] <diddledan> I support both england and wales equally - makes it interesting to watch a match between them :-)
[15:25] <DJOnes> I bet, born in England, Welsh ancestry (a few generations back), went to Uni in Wales, but more Welsh than England
[15:26] <DJOnes> Based on ancestry, I should support England, Wales, Chili, Scotland and Ireland
[15:27] <diddledan> I think my welshness stems from sometime in the 19th century - my dad's family moved from the valleys to the east-end of london somewhen around there iirc
[17:57] <twager> Am looking to buy a new desktop...any recommends wellcome.
[17:58] <penguin42> twager: What are your criteria?
[17:59] <penguin42> cheap, fast, small, beige?
[18:01] <twager> As long as it is ok with Linux I am happy
[18:04] <penguin42> twager: Right, but do you want to buy a cheap system or do you want to spend more and buy a faster system?
[18:05] <twager> Up tp £500
[18:06] <penguin42> ok, and do you game a lot - i.e. do you want to spend more on graphics?
[18:06] <twager> No games..Was looking at Novatech ?
[18:07]  * penguin42 has heard of them but has never bought from them
[18:08] <penguin42> twager: So I'd suggest about 8GB of RAM maybe Intel i5 CPU, and 128GB SSD disk from a good brand
[18:09] <twager> I used to build my own but old age has taken its toll
[18:09] <penguin42> haha tell me about it :-)
[18:10] <penguin42> twager: The problem is some cheap prebuilts have awful PSUs
[18:11] <twager> Might just renew the mobo on the broken box
[18:12] <penguin42> twager: Some places will build from your choice of parts I think
[18:13] <twager> Local dealer will do that ..Think I will pay him a visit see what he can do.
[20:44] <brobostigon> one of the most unhelpful responses to a bug report on the planet, https://github.com/magefree/mage/issues/1300
[20:45] <diddledan> eh? that's terrible
[20:46] <diddledan> I guess the developer has never heard of responsive layouts
[20:47] <brobostigon> exactly.
[20:48] <diddledan> a much more appropriate answer could have been "not at the moment, but I'll look into smaller screens sometime in the future - pull requests welcome"
[20:48] <brobostigon> exactly v.2
[20:49] <diddledan> he hasn't even considered the potential of adaptation - just closed the issue . really sucky
[20:49] <brobostigon> absolutly.
[20:52] <brobostigon> i really should make an example of the plonker.
[22:53] <diddledan> this is evil usage of javascript: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpD2R2iXiiU
[22:54] <daftykins> 36 mins :(