[04:02] <robert_ancell> bye all
[04:41] <pitti> Good morning
[04:55] <hikiko__> good morning all + good morning pitti
[04:55] <hikiko__> +reboot brb!
[04:55] <pitti> hey hikiko__
[05:34] <larsu> good morning!
[05:38] <pitti> hey larsu, wie gehts?
[05:43] <larsu> pitti: super danke! Und dir?
[05:43] <pitti> larsu: auch gut, danke; glad to be back home :)
[05:44]  * pitti -> groceries, bbl
[05:44] <larsu> heh, have fun :)
[05:56] <didrocks> good morning
[05:56] <larsu> bonjour didrocks! Ca va?
[06:01] <pitti> bonjour didrocks, ça va ?
[06:01]  * pitti → grocery store for real, they only open at 8
[06:03] <didrocks> hey larsu, pitti!
[06:03] <didrocks> ça va, et vous ?
[06:03] <didrocks> (/me still sneezing a little bit…)
[06:03] <larsu> get better!
[06:04] <larsu> I'm good - much better than last week :)
[06:04] <didrocks> nice ;)
[06:04] <larsu> and had a nice and sunny weekend
[06:05] <didrocks> saturday was quite rainy here, but sunday was nice
[06:25] <duflu> Morning Europe
[06:27] <larsu> hi duflu!
[06:27] <duflu> Hey larsu
[06:29] <didrocks> hey duflu
[06:29] <duflu> didrocks, hello
[06:38]  * Sweet5hark sneaks in.
[06:39] <pitti> larsu: argh, did you get a cold too?
[06:39]  * pitti and Annett went kite flying for the first time this autumn \o/
[06:40] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:40] <seb128> hey duflu larsu didrocks pitti
[06:40] <didrocks> re seb128, hey Sweet5hark
[06:40] <larsu> pitti: ya :/ Getting much better though
[06:40] <duflu> Morning seb128
[06:40] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[06:41] <Sweet5hark>  moin pitti, seb128, didrocks, larsu!
[06:42] <seb128> pitti, back to augsburg? ;-)
[06:42] <larsu> moin moin Sweet5hark!
[06:42] <pitti> hey Sweet5hark
[06:42] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[06:42] <pitti> seb128: oui, bien rentrè vendredi
[06:45] <seb128> super
[07:10] <willcooke> morning all
[07:10] <willcooke> it's dark today, have to have the lights on in the morning :(
[07:11] <willcooke> Good news though, we got another community helper closing a few bugs over the weekend
[07:11] <larsu> morning willcooke. still sunny here :P
[07:12] <didrocks> hey willcooke, feeling better?
[07:12] <didrocks> yeah, sun and blue sky here ;)
[07:12] <willcooke> :'(  I miss the sun
[07:13] <willcooke> didrocks, actually no.  I think my eldest son has bought something new home from school.  We all spent the weekend under a blanket watching tv.  Currently debating whether he has to go to school or not.
[07:13] <willcooke> Insiders tip:  he does
[07:15] <didrocks> willcooke: haha :-)
[07:16] <didrocks> :( about family sickness though
[07:16]  * didrocks is still sneezing
[07:19] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:20] <darkxst> hey seb128 willcooke didrocks
[07:20] <seb128> hey darkxst
[07:20] <darkxst> seb128, I was away when you pinged, gjs bug is known, but still don't have a reliable reproducer ;(
[07:21] <seb128> darkxst, no worry, I assumed you would read backlog at some point
[07:21] <didrocks> evening darkxst
[07:21] <darkxst> I'm not to sure about the xorg one, but there were changes with gdm this cycle
[07:22] <darkxst> gdm runs on vt7, then login switches to vt2 for the user session (under X only)
[07:22] <seb128> k, well I need to investigate
[07:22] <seb128> but installing gdm on my wily testbox bricked it
[07:22] <seb128> well I can go to a vt, but normals users wouldn't
[07:22] <seb128> and it's 1st on e.u.c
[07:22] <darkxst> seb128, it uses wayland by default on FOSS drivers
[07:23] <seb128> it's an intel laptop
[07:23] <seb128> but I don't think I've wayland installed
[07:23] <seb128> and the e.u.c error is an abort for "server already running"
[07:23] <seb128> I guess an xorg crash as well
[07:23] <seb128> get*
[07:23] <darkxst> the e.u.c error is for nvidia drivers, so that would be X
[07:23] <seb128> no it's not
[07:24] <seb128> the reports are mostly intel based
[07:24] <darkxst> hmm
[07:26] <darkxst> perhaps a dependency issue that is masked by the ubuntu-gnome seed? though wouldnt have thought there would be many users that manually install gdm
[07:26] <darkxst> I have never hit that crash here
[07:26] <seb128> I don't think it's manual installs
[07:26] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/77953a20-6b19-11e5-9178-fa163e707a72 for example
[07:26] <darkxst> desktop with NVIDIA blobs, laptop with intel
[07:26] <seb128>  Ubuntu-GNOME 15.10 "Wily Werewolf" - Alpha amd64 (20151003)
[07:26] <seb128>  Installed on 2015-10-04 (0 days ago)
[07:27] <seb128>  Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0416] (rev 06) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[07:27] <seb128>   /usr/bin/X vt2 -displayfd 3 -auth /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority -nolisten tcp -background none -noreset -keeptty -verbose 3
[07:27] <seb128> those errors are all gdm ones with similar commands ^
[07:27] <darkxst> vt2 is the user session, not gdm
[07:27] <seb128> -auth /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority
[07:27] <seb128> is what made me tell it's from gdm
[07:28] <seb128> but yeah, maybe it's the user session gdm starts
[07:28] <seb128> I wonder if that fails to start a new server for some reason
[07:30] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/219077919/XorgLog.txt is the typical log from those bugs
[07:31] <seb128> or https://launchpadlibrarian.net/219073234/XorgLog.txt
[07:31] <seb128> [    35.115] _XSERVTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: ...SocketCreateListener() failed
[07:31] <seb128> [    35.115] _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: server already running
[07:31] <seb128> but then the log is ongoig, so I wonder if it hits the error and retry and that works or something
[07:32] <seb128> if I had to guess I would say it hits most of the Ubuntu GNOME users
[07:32] <darkxst> where is the rest of the second log?
[07:32] <seb128> rest of what?
[07:33] <darkxst> oh n/m browser being flaky
[07:34] <darkxst> seb128, I've not heard any reports of it, so perhaps it is retrying and succeeding
[07:35] <seb128> I guess it is
[07:35] <seb128> seeing the number it could be that most users hit it but that it has no real consequence
[07:35] <seb128> just creates apport noise
[07:36] <darkxst> but then its first seen in trusty
[07:36] <darkxst> there is no vt switch there
[07:39] <seb128> I don't think the e.u.c collector can be trusted
[07:39] <seb128> it seems to batch any xserver issue hitting OsAbort()
[07:40] <seb128> but looking to a stack of the recent ones, like today's 30 report, most of them atm are Ubuntu GNOME ones with a command similar to the one I copied before
[07:40] <seb128> e.g including -auth /run/user/1000/gdm/Xauthority
[07:40] <seb128> you can also look at the launchpad report and the recent duplicates
[07:40] <seb128> they have the xorg logs
[07:41] <seb128> I think the most common issue is new to wily
[07:41] <seb128> that's also what the stats on e.u.c suggest
[07:41] <seb128> like they are 200 reports on vivid
[07:41] <seb128> which are likely random xorg issues
[07:42] <seb128> and there are 275 report on the current xorg version in wily, which is not that old
[07:42] <seb128> and wily has far less users than vivid, so it means it's more commong
[07:45] <jibel> good morning
[07:45] <darkxst> seb128, ok, I will try look into it more this week
[07:45] <seb128> thanks
[07:45] <seb128> hey jibel
[07:45] <jibel> on wily with latest updates applied my session doesn't start, is there a known issue?
[07:46] <seb128> no
[07:46] <jibel> by doesn't start I only have a background and a mouse pointer
[07:46] <seb128> does a guest session works?
[07:46] <jibel> seb128, yes guest works
[07:46] <seb128> can you provide your ~/.cache/upstart/unity7.log?
[07:46] <jibel> seb128, sure, I'll file a bug with all the logs
[07:47] <seb128> thanks
[07:47] <seb128> though maybe the useful info are in the system journal nowadays
[07:47] <seb128> ubuntu-bug unity should do the right thing
[07:56] <jibel> seb128, bug 1502787
[07:56] <ubot5`> bug 1502787 in unity (Ubuntu) "User session doesn't start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502787
[07:56] <jibel> seb128, another thing, when I restart lightdm, it restart but then the screen is black even ttys are
[07:57] <seb128> that's probably something else
[07:57] <seb128> could be bug #1501941
[07:57] <ubot5`> bug 1501941 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "Screen turned off after X server exits" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501941
[07:57] <seb128> robert_ancell is looking to that one
[07:58] <jibel> it sounds like it. thanks
[07:58] <seb128> hum
[07:58] <seb128> you unity7.log has compiz (core) - Error: Plugin 'composite' not loaded.
[07:59]  * Sweet5hark swipes away a bazillion "unexpected end of stream" errors on launchpad ...
[07:59] <seb128> jibel, but guest session works?
[08:00] <jibel> seb128, yes it does
[08:00] <seb128> hum
[08:01] <seb128> hikiko__, Trevinho, andyrock, ^ any idea what could make the composite compiz plugin fail to load for an user (works in guest session so it's not a kernel/driver/xorg issue)
[08:02] <seb128> hum
[08:02] <seb128> your xorg log has a stacktrace, but it's probably not the issue
[08:02] <seb128> (EE) BUG: triggered 'if (axnum >= dev->valuator->numAxes)'
[08:02] <seb128> (EE) BUG: ../../Xi/exevents.c:2087 in InitValuatorAxisStruct()
[08:03] <seb128> that seems similar to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=780022
[08:03] <ubot5`> Debian bug 780022 in x11-xkb-utils "x11-xkb-utils: xkbcomp - BUG: triggered 'if (axnum >= dev->valuator->numAxes)'" [Normal,Open]
[08:04] <Laney> ahoy
[08:04] <hikiko__> does he use the default compiz/unity libraries?
[08:05] <hikiko__> abi incompatibility?
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:05] <jibel> hikiko__, I use what is in wily
[08:05] <seb128> hikiko, was there an abi change recently? where would user installed version of the lib be?
[08:06] <hikiko> I changed the ABI version in opengl plugin but I think my branch is not merged yet
[08:06]  * hikiko doublechecks
[08:07] <hikiko> jibel, sec
[08:07] <didrocks> hey Laney, hikiko
[08:08] <hikiko> if (CompPlugin::checkPluginABI ("core", CORE_ABIVERSION))
[08:08] <hikiko>     {
[08:08] <hikiko> hello didrocks
[08:08] <Laney> hey
[08:08] <seb128> jibel, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-input-evdev/commit/?id=38e107a39fb4a0b630ee5adb5870c91dbc27abde looks like a fix for your xorg error, if you want to file a bug on xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[08:08] <hikiko> it seems that the only reason for composite plugin to not load is an abi version change
[08:08] <hikiko> but I think we didn't do such changes recently
[08:09] <hikiko> (mine is not even approved yet and affects the gl plugins)
[08:10] <hikiko> sec
[08:11] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:11] <hikiko> checking qlog
[08:14] <hikiko> last release was in 20/08/2015 if that was related you ll experience that problem earlier I guess :s
[08:14] <hikiko> jibel, when did you last upgraded?
[08:15] <jibel> seb128, bug 1502796
[08:15] <ubot5`> bug 1502796 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) "Error in x.log: (EE) BUG: triggered 'if (axnum >= dev->valuator->numAxes)' in ../../Xi/exevents.c:2087 in InitValuatorAxisStruct()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502796
[08:16] <seb128> jibel, thanks
[08:16] <jibel> hikiko, yesterday, but it could be Friday, I don't thin I restarted my session after Friday's updates. I'll paste the packages I upgraded
[08:16] <jibel> think*
[08:17] <hikiko> thanks jibel
[08:18] <jibel> hikiko, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12688363/ either 2nd or 4
[08:19] <seb128> I doubt it's a package issue
[08:19] <hikiko> I see, those packages look innocent to me :s
[08:19] <seb128> or the guest session wouldn't work either
[08:19] <hikiko> oh the guest session works?
[08:20] <seb128> jibel, can you DISPLAY=:0 strace -f compiz --replace 2>&1>log and share that?
[08:22] <jibel> seb128, sure before I do that how do I logout from the command line? currently I've to reboot the machine since I get a black screen if I restart lightdm
[08:23] <seb128> jibel, can you try to install the deb from robert_ancell ppa to see if it fixes your issue?
[08:23] <seb128> jibel, otherwise kill -9 `pidof gnome-session` I guess :p
[08:23] <jibel> okay
[08:30] <jibel> seb128, robert's patched version of the driver works.
[08:31] <seb128> jibel, great
[08:37] <jibel> seb128, hikiko https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1502787/+attachment/4484456/+files/compiz.strace.gz
[08:37] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1502787 in unity (Ubuntu) "User session doesn't start" [Undecided,New]
[08:38] <Laney> my apps lens is in a state where it's giving no results
[08:38] <Laney> exciting
[08:38] <Laney> usually it just does this for one search
[08:38] <hikiko> thank you jibel
[08:41] <hikiko> seb128 and jibel what's "the patched version of the driver"? maybe we should write the solution in this bug report?
[08:44] <seb128> hikiko, that's a different issue, restarting lightdm leading to blank screen, there is already a bug with the solution written and a ppa build
[08:47] <seb128> jibel, can you try to move ~/.compiz-1/plugins away and if that doesn't work then ~/.cache/compizconfig-1
[08:47] <hikiko> seb128, do you have the bug number? Someone else complained yesterday in GRNet that he can't start unity on wily and I thought it's his setup because I've never experienced that issue myself :/
[08:47] <seb128> hikiko, #1501941
[08:47] <seb128> hikiko, but what you describe seems different, that one is happening when xserver exit
[08:47] <seb128> so if you restart lightdm for example
[08:47] <hikiko> it's not xserver
[08:48] <hikiko> he can start other DE
[08:48] <hikiko> or is it?
[08:49] <seb128> sorry I got confused
[08:49] <seb128> jibel has 2 issues
[08:49] <seb128> one is that his session fails to load the unity plugin
[08:49] <seb128> the other is that xorg get messed up on server restarts, like if he restarts lightdm
[08:49] <hikiko> the guy I talked to yesterday had the 1st one
[08:49] <Laney> Trevinho: when you're around, got a bustle log for apps lens not working... if you want it :)
[08:50] <hikiko> he couldn't load the unity plugin
[08:55] <larsu> Sweet5hark: explain!
[08:57] <Sweet5hark> larsu: oh, these people having downloaded incomplete/corrupted *.debs and then getting shouted at by apt about it.
[08:57] <Sweet5hark> larsu: maybe happens more often with libreoffice because of bigger packages.
[09:00] <Sweet5hark> larsu: bug 1173847 is an example.
[09:00] <ubot5`> bug 1173847 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "package libreoffice-style-human 1:3.6.2~rc2-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: cannot copy extracted data for './usr/share/libreoffice/share/config/images_human.zip' to '/usr/share/libreoffice/share/config/images_human.zip.dpkg-new': unexpected end of file or stream" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1173847
[09:01] <seb128> Sweet5hark, I don't think that's what he was asking about
[09:01] <seb128> Sweet5hark, read your emails ;-)
[09:01] <Sweet5hark> seb128: ah!
[09:02] <Sweet5hark> ok, terrible pun.
[09:02] <Sweet5hark> here we go.
[09:03] <Sweet5hark> we are all direct reports of a guy with the nick "willcooke".
[09:03] <Sweet5hark> If there is one thing you can be sure of its that: Future Chefs will cook!
[09:03] <larsu> haha
[09:03] <larsu> fun :)
[09:03] <seb128> lol
[09:04] <larsu> seb128 always knows what O
[09:04] <larsu> *I'm talking about
[09:05] <Sweet5hark> larsu, seb128: Of course, you are challenged to find an even worse pun for the teamname ;)
[09:05] <willcooke> :
[09:05] <willcooke> :D
[09:06] <larsu> that'll be hard
[09:06] <didrocks> pitti: coverage is now 92% :) https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/udtc-trusty-tests-collect/1928/label=ps-trusty-desktop-amd64-1/artifact/html-coverage/index.html
[09:06] <didrocks> (it's a little bit higher actually, but medium tests, as they run on a container, can't be easily tracked
[09:06] <larsu> didrocks: last 8 is the hardest :P
[09:07] <didrocks> larsu: yep ;)
[09:07] <Laney> that's where you add all the skips
[09:07] <larsu> hehe indeed
[09:11] <jibel> seb128, there was no ~/.compiz-1/plugins , I tried to move away other compiz config and plugins files and it didn't fix anything
[09:11] <jibel> seb128, is there a way to reset the configuration?
[09:11] <jibel> to a known good start
[09:11] <jibel> state*
[09:12] <larsu> jibel: guest session?
[09:12] <jibel> larsu, guest session works, but my user session stopped working
[09:13] <larsu> ah, sorry. I'm late to the discussion it seems
[09:14] <seb128> jibel, you can try to dconf reset -f /org/compiz
[09:15] <jibel> seb128, can I save the state before I do that to keep a trace of the broken configuration? if it either fix it
[09:15] <didrocks> jibel: dconf dump /
[09:15] <jibel> didrocks, thanks
[09:15] <didrocks> or even dconf dump /org/compiz
[09:15] <seb128> jibel, dconf dump /org/compiz/ > compiz.dconf
[09:15] <didrocks> to only take that part
[09:16] <willcooke> bah.  School have phone, boy #1 is sick.  I have to go an pick him up.  bbiab
[09:16] <seb128> then you can dconf load /org/compiz/ <
[09:16] <seb128> willcooke, good luck
[09:16] <didrocks> willcooke: :/ ttyl
[09:18] <seb128> mvo, hey, do you have an opinion on https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-center/invalid_db_open/+merge/273113 ?
[09:18] <seb128> mvo, see my comment in the description as well as the code change
[09:19] <jibel> reset didn't fix anything. What a productive Monday morning :/
[09:19] <mvo> seb128: uhh, thanks
[09:19] <seb128> jibel, :-(
[09:20] <seb128> jibel, did you try moving ~/.config/compiz-1 away?
[09:21] <seb128> jibel, also .cache/compizconfig-1
[09:23] <andyrock> good morning all
[09:23] <didrocks> hey andyrock
[09:23] <larsu> hi andyrock
[09:23] <seb128> hey andyrock
[09:23] <larsu> andyrock: I think jibel could use your help ;)
[09:24] <jibel> seb128, ah removing .cache/compizconfig-1 entirely /fixed/ it
[09:24]  * andyrock is reading the log
[09:24] <seb128> jibel, I guess some corruption in the cache then :-/
[09:25] <seb128> mvo, do you think we should have any concern about the performances? I think back then you resolved the issue by making the code return early on an error and that the flag effect didn't get really tested then
[09:25] <jibel> seb128, maybe. I removed almost everything with compiz in the name and did a reset
[09:27] <mvo> seb128: I think there is no concern about peformance this change should actually make it faster
[09:27] <mvo> seb128: iirc there is a --measure switch in s-c so we could even test it :)
[09:27] <seb128> mvo, well, basically currently it was not writting the db at all since it was hitting an exception on the open
[09:27] <mvo> seb128: yeah :(
[09:27] <seb128> so I doubt it makes it faster
[09:27] <seb128> work is going to be slower that no work
[09:27] <seb128> but let's see
[09:28] <seb128> mvo, thanks
[09:28] <jibel> meh, and now I've no sound at all :((
[09:28] <seb128> jibel, it's your day it seems...
[09:28] <jibel> release in 2 weeks, right?
[09:28] <mvo> seb128: I mean, it will later be faster when it can use the db instead of having to refetch stuff, but I would have to look at the surrounding code to see if that is actually true or not
[09:29] <seb128> mvo, let's try and see ;-)
[09:29] <Trevinho> Laney: Oh thanks, can you email me?
[09:29] <seb128> nothing like real world testing!
[09:39] <Trevinho> Ah, hey BTW :-P
[09:39] <Laney> hey Trevinho!
[09:39] <Laney> good weekend?
[09:39] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[09:40] <Trevinho> Yeah, quite busy as always, but at least my team is now leading the Serie A :-)
[09:44] <Laney> nice!
[09:44] <Trevinho> I was reading the jibel issue, but I don't think it can be much compiz settings related, as composite is one of her first plugins to load, and   if it fails is generally because of something wrong at driver level. Although it also might be that it has been disabled for some reason (check the enabled plugin list on dconf)
[09:44] <Trevinho> Yeah, 17 years later... :-)
[09:55] <Laney> Trevinho: ah I found that I have infact already filed it ;-)
[09:55] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1308037
[09:55] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1308037 in unity (Ubuntu) "No results from application scope" [Medium,Invalid]
[09:55] <Laney> the great bug sweep killed it
[09:56] <Laney> laney     1818  0.0  0.0 515164 32764 ?        Sl   09:40   0:00          \_ /usr/bin/unity-scope-loader applications/applications.scope applications/scopes.scope commands.scope
[09:59] <Laney> well I'm in that state if you want any more info
[10:00]  * willcooke reopens Laney's bug
[10:01] <Laney> thx
[10:34] <Trevinho> andyrock as you was looking at scopes few days ago, you might help too... ^^^
[10:39] <willcooke> desktoppers: You'll be pleased to know  your names are on the visitors list for Blue Fin
[10:40] <Trevinho> Cool
[10:41] <Laney> the power
[10:41]  * Laney is going to visit Womens Own
[10:44] <Sweet5hark> willcooke: great! not getting shot then, I guess.
[10:46] <Laney> doko: can you try giving back indicator-datetime/ppc in the test rebuild?
[10:46] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20151001/+build/8022589
[10:47] <Laney> is anyone looking at mir?
[10:50] <Laney> seb128: did you ping anyone about mir?
[11:11] <Laney> thanks doko
[11:40]  * Trevinho lunches
[11:41] <seb128> Laney, no, I didn't properly look at this one to know if there was incoming landings or such
[11:45] <seb128> Laney, seems like it's fix commited for
[11:45] <seb128> 0.16.1
[11:45] <Laney> okey
[11:46] <seb128> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mir-team/mir/0.16/revision/2951
[11:49]  * larsu goes for some errands and lunch
[11:50] <seb128> larsu, enjoy!
[11:50] <larsu> thanks seb128!
[11:51] <Laney> doko: and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20151001/+build/8071181 and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/test-rebuild-20151001/+build/8071784 please (built in ppa)
[11:52] <doko> Laney, done
[11:52] <Laney> ty
[12:03] <qengho> good mornin'.
[12:03] <willcooke> morning qengho
[12:25]  * Trevinho back
[12:26] <seb128> hey Trevinho ;-)
[12:27] <seb128> Trevinho, what's coming next on unity? still a landing to come for wily?
[12:32] <Trevinho> seb128: if we can get the scrollbars there ok, otherwise I have other fixes proposed plus some other in works
[12:32] <seb128> Trevinho, what's the status of the scrollbars? feel a bit late for such changes...
[12:33] <Trevinho> I should propose it later today, it's not a big change in terms of functionality (those have already landed), so there shouldn't be any breakage, it's mostly UI (only visible on mouse hovering), but as you guys prefer
[12:34] <Trevinho> it can be on X
[12:34] <Trevinho> ubuntu X feels like a secret project, BTW :)
[12:35] <seb128> well, you can do the ffe and see what they say
[12:35] <seb128> if it's not then it's ready to land early next cycle
[12:35] <Trevinho> yeah...
[12:37]  * Trevinho hates that the lander doesn't set the upstream project bugs related to a MP as Fix Committed while merging...
[12:37] <willcooke> Trevinho, you have a script to fix that right?  Can we just cron job it?
[12:38] <Trevinho> willcooke: I have one, but it requires still bug numbers, and it should figure that from MPs.... I could fix it, but it's still annoying as having the ci-train to do it was somewhat expected to me (as it happened in the past, when we add the auto-lander)
[12:38] <Trevinho> didrocks: maybe you happen to know why this changed? ^
[12:39] <didrocks> Trevinho: I didn't touch CI Train code for a year and half now. So you should rather ask robru directly about it.
[12:39] <Trevinho> didrocks: ok thanks
[12:39] <didrocks> but yeah, I don't see any reason why it doesn't do this anymore
[12:39] <seb128> bugs would get autoclosed on upload if you used the ubuntu source for bugs
[12:39] <didrocks> seb128: not the upstream task
[12:39] <Trevinho> I mean, I didn't know whether it was a policy, or a thought choice, or just a missing feature
[12:39] <didrocks> or will it?
[12:40] <seb128> didrocks, my "if you used the ubuntu source" was meant as "if you standardized on using one bug list, that list being the ubuntu source"
[12:40] <seb128> like we do for most projects
[12:40] <Trevinho> the only reason I'd see that it could cause problem is when you merge to non-trunk branches, but i guess that it could be figured
[12:40] <didrocks> seb128: ah, got you now
[12:40] <seb128> :-)
[12:40] <didrocks> so yeah ;)
[12:40] <seb128> I still think unity should do that
[12:41] <seb128> though there is quite some backlog and doing the change would be noisy
[12:41] <didrocks> Trevinho: well, my code was try: except: ;)
[12:41] <Trevinho> :)
[12:50] <didrocks> willcooke: "The upstream project being the main one." -> you mean you want the upstream project to be the main one?
[12:51] <didrocks> willcooke: there is only one thing which is for sure: you can't remove package bugs. Those are the new tracked when a bug is fixed in distro, and also the one reported against when people run "ubuntu-bug" or use apport
[12:52] <willcooke> ok, so just make the package one then main source then?
[12:52] <didrocks> that's the option if you only want one bug list
[13:16] <desrt> good morning desktop people
[13:17] <didrocks> good morning desrt
[13:17] <willcooke> hey desrt
[13:19] <seb128> hey desrt
[13:20]  * desrt waves hi to seb while transitioning to a standing position
[13:20] <desrt> good morning willcooke and didrocks :)
[13:20] <seb128> you standing desk view is quite nice ;-)
[13:21] <desrt> yup :)
[13:33] <pitti> hey desrt, how are you?
[13:36] <desrt> pitti: good, thanks :)
[14:23] <seb128> Sweet5hark, hey, could you look at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/220255158/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-amd64.libreoffice-templates_0.1.20120814-0ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz ?
[14:24] <tseliot> seb128: I haven't tested this yet but I think these changes should solve the problem with apport/xdiagnose: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12689718/
[14:24] <seb128> tseliot, good. do you have upload rights for that?
[14:24] <seb128> or maybe tjaalton can help you
[14:25] <tseliot> seb128: I'm a core-dev. Unless there are any other upload rights that I need
[14:25] <seb128> tseliot, no, so feel free to upload, the changes make sense to me
[14:26] <tseliot> seb128: ok, good :)
[14:43] <seb128> Laney, I guess you plan to upload your telepathy-glib buildfix to debian and sync it over?
[14:44] <Laney> I will handle it one way or another
[14:47]  * Trevinho goes to pay the car repair shop...
[14:47] <larsu> Laney: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zBwRDEFMRY
[14:52]  * Laney bops
[15:01] <davmor2> larsu: I hope that's not a threat towards Laney
[15:03] <davmor2> Laney: start worrying if he posts you this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs and start closing the windows and doors and curtains
[15:03] <davmor2> and tape over your webcam
[15:10] <larsu> clearly that wasn't a threat but I heard Laney sing this song when he wrote "I will handle it one way or another"
[15:10] <Laney> larsu doesn't have to find me one way or another anyway, I'm already there for him ♥
[15:10] <larsu> awwwwww
[15:11]  * larsu hugs Laney 
[15:11] <larsu> hm, no thumb in totem's slider anymore?!
[15:12]  * larsu wonders when that happened
[15:12] <seb128> hum, seems not, bug?
[15:12] <larsu> ya, works in adwaita
[15:12] <larsu> and definitely worked back when I added it
[15:12] <seb128> yeah, theme bugs!
[15:12] <larsu> Trevinho!
[15:13] <seb128> lol
[15:13]  * larsu slowly walks out
[15:14] <Laney> speaking of bugs
[15:14] <Laney> screen blanking stopped working for me
[15:14] <Laney> (unity-settings-daemon:2818): power-plugin-WARNING **: failed to turn the panel off: Could not change DPMS mode
[15:14] <Laney> (unity-settings-daemon:2818): power-plugin-WARNING **: failed to turn the panel on: Could not change DPMS mode
[15:14] <seb128> again?
[15:14] <Laney> did it happen to me before?
[15:15] <seb128> yeah, but last time the plugin failed to load due a missing symbol
[15:15] <seb128> that seems to be a different one
[15:15] <Laney> kind of remember that
[15:15] <Laney> but yeah not this time
[15:17] <seb128> no such issue there
[15:17] <seb128> it might be hwd specific
[15:18] <seb128> Laney, what does "xset q" says about your dpms?
[15:18] <Laney> disabled
[15:18] <Laney> did it ever work on here?!
[15:25] <Laney> davmor2: laney@nightingale> grep -i dpms /var/log/Xorg.0.log                                                                                                                                                 ~
[15:25] <Laney> [    62.692] (==) intel(0): DPMS enabled
[15:25] <Laney> oops sorry davmor2
[15:28] <Laney> xset +dpms works
[15:28] <seb128> weird
[15:30] <davmor2> Laney: I forgive you ;)
[15:31] <Laney> hmm
[15:39] <Sweet5hark> seb128: looking ...
[15:40] <Sweet5hark> (wth can go wrong with copying a bunch of templates?)
[15:40] <seb128> Sweet5hark, thanks
[15:41] <Laney> after I bring it back from a dpms suspend then it is disabled
[15:50] <Sweet5hark> seb128: hmmm, to fix properly with a new upstream release or to hack around with a quick "|| true" in ./debian ...
[15:50]  * Sweet5hark goes for the hack.
[15:51] <seb128> Sweet5hark, ;-)
[16:03] <Laney> we should do a new release of software-center
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> seb128: are you ok with me jsut throwing a debdiff at you for sponsoring?
[16:03] <Laney> debian patching it feels weird
[16:03] <seb128> Sweet5hark, yes
[16:03] <Sweet5hark> seb128: diff is only 34 lines
[16:03] <seb128> Laney, we would need to get those fixes in trunk first
[16:04] <Laney> ya
[16:04] <seb128> Sweet5hark, that's more than the current Makefile ;-)
[16:04] <seb128> Laney, dobey wants to make s-c compatible with CI landing, he just didn't get to do yet
[16:04] <Laney> or get it set up for the train I guess
[16:04] <Laney> snap
[16:04] <Sweet5hark> well, its mostly boilerplate -- adding debian/patches/series and a patch ...
[16:07] <Sweet5hark> seb128: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=n34GdbAD
[16:07] <seb128> Sweet5hark, I doubt that fix it
[16:08] <seb128> -f already does the "don't error out"
[16:08] <Sweet5hark> seb128: isnt that "-r" ?
[16:08] <seb128> no
[16:08] <seb128> well, dunno
[16:08] <seb128> but the build fails on l11
[16:08] <seb128> include $(SRCDIR)config.mk
[16:08] <seb128> which doesn't exist
[16:08] <seb128> not on the clean
[16:09] <seb128> well, no on the rm I mean
[16:09] <seb128> did you try your fix?
[16:09] <seb128> (I didn't yet, but I've a feeling it's not going to work)
[16:09] <Laney> -include... probably
[16:09] <didrocks> and with that Xorg crash, time to EOD! :p
[16:09] <Laney> bye didrocks!
[16:09] <seb128> didrocks, bye
[16:09] <didrocks> see you guys
[16:10] <seb128> I wonder how it worked before though
[16:10] <seb128> that include should have failed back then
[16:10] <Sweet5hark> seb128: I did try, but not from a scratch directory ... which, given that we talk about "clean", might be a good idea ...
[16:10] <Sweet5hark> seb128: retrying from scratch ...
[16:10] <seb128> Sweet5hark, k
[16:26] <Sweet5hark> seb128: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KAurw1mb <- this should be better
[16:27] <seb128> Sweet5hark, so previous one didn't work? ;-)
[16:28] <seb128> Sweet5hark, just adding a - before the include as Laney suggested is not enough?
[16:28] <seb128> seems to work here
[16:29] <Laney> that means it's optional to include the file
[16:29] <Sweet5hark> seb128: heh, well, it worked here as I had a config.mk already. but it didnt once I rm-rf'ed the builddir and redid the dpkg-buildpackage
[16:29] <seb128> weird, what error did you get?
[16:30] <Sweet5hark> seb128: I got the line 11 one as on launchpad. no surprise there.
[16:30] <seb128> with the "-"?
[16:30] <seb128> that's weird
[16:31] <seb128> as Laney said, it makes it optional so it shouldn't error out
[16:31] <seb128> and that indeed makes it stop erroring out for me
[16:31] <Sweet5hark> ah, no. I didnt try the "-include". it would likely work.
[16:32] <seb128> Sweet5hark, that's weird because the line in your diff has a "-"
[16:32] <seb128> +-include $(SRCDIR)config.mk
[16:32] <Sweet5hark> it would likely do weird stuff if you do "make" before "./configure" though: no config.mk but still trying stuff that uses vars from it.
[16:32] <seb128> oh, urg
[16:32] <seb128> sorry, wrong diff reading ;-)
[16:33] <Sweet5hark> seb128: hehe
[16:33] <seb128> k
[16:33] <seb128> so should I upload your version?
[16:33] <Sweet5hark> seb128: please upload that version.
[17:09] <Laney> bye!
[17:18] <mhall119> willcooke: hey, are you available to talk about desktop plans on the Community Q&A at 1500 UTC tomorrow?
[18:04]  * Trevinho leaves again for some futsal. Back during the deep night.
[19:50] <willcooke> g'night all
[22:56] <sak> Hello guys. I have an idea for a feature I would like to ubuntu desktop UI and for other flavors of ubuntu. Can there be a search feature that allows a user to search for installed applications by typing in an application category? What I mean by this, in most ubuntu OSes, the application menu is organized into categories. In each category, are a list of related applications or programs. Some search features allow the user to search applications using key
[22:56] <sak> swords. Well instead of using keywords to represent applications, why not use application category keywords and then get a list of all related applications. Within that, then user can narrow down the search by putting in keywords for the apps that they want.
[22:58] <sarnold> sak: you might be able to put it together with the 'dmenu' tool from suckless-tools
[23:28] <Trevinho> night turn time :P