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Moodoomorning all07:31
SuperMattnirbubg07:31
SuperMattmorning07:32
zmoylan-pihalf eight and it's dark enough to need a light on... morning indeed :-)07:32
SuperMattfingers entirely in the wrong place there07:32
zmoylan-pijust say it's a code to drive the nsa nuts, that's what i do when that happens :-P07:32
SuperMattI don't normally have an issue with fingering07:32
zmoylan-pisomeone moved your chair or keyboard 1cm07:33
Moodooi still struggle with displat sometimes lol07:33
SuperMattI know I have the littlel nipples on my f and j, but it doesn't mean I remember that they're ther07:34
SuperMatt+e07:35
diploMorning all08:10
Moodoohowdy diplo08:40
davmor2Morning all08:40
Moodoohowdy davmor208:41
davmor2So Moodoo I blame you entirely08:41
davmor2Moodoo: 33 13 :(08:41
Moodoothat's fine, what did I do this time?08:42
Moodooah well we played crap against a far superior team08:42
davmor2Moodoo: and your excuse for Defeat against Wales?08:45
davmor2Moodoo: I mean kicked out of our own world cup in the qualifiers that's worse than the football team ;)08:46
Moodoodavmor2: bad captain decisions against wales...we should of won that one.08:46
davmor2Moodoo: so we fire you as captain and have a winning team again is that what you're saying?08:49
Moodooi've quit already08:49
davmor2Moodoo: Good man it's for the sake of the countries pride ;)08:50
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday, and happy Teachers' Day! 😃08:53
zmoylan-1iit's a lie, there are no happy teachers08:54
davmor2Moodoo: now see if you get this one this time, JamesTait https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg08:55
JamesTaitNow why is YouTube asking me to activate Flash?08:56
davmor2zmoylan-1i: I don't know the CEO  of teachers is pretty happy08:56
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davmor2JamesTait: might be an old video that is still flash maybe08:57
davmor2JamesTait: although it is working fine here on chromium08:57
JamesTaitGood start to the week, though.08:59
davmor2JamesTait: were you able to see it in the end?09:01
JamesTaitI just allowed Flash. I've got the plugin set to always ask.09:01
davmor2JamesTait: hahaha09:02
JamesTaitI'm stunned by how many apparently plain sites ask for permission to activate Flash.09:02
JamesTaitClick tracking/analytics, I assume.09:02
davmor2JamesTait: I think the chorus is very apt for teachers day :)09:02
diploAnyone run mate or mint in VirtualBox under Ubunut ?09:03
diploJust wondering if or how well it works09:03
popeyi have a MATE VM under Ubuntu, works fine.09:03
diploGreat t09:04
brobostigonmorning boys and girls09:05
diplota*09:05
diploAnyone also recommend a self hosted pastebin ?09:09
bashrc0bin09:13
diploheh, actually on their github page now09:13
diploNone of them have been update in a long time, although thats not the end of the world09:14
diploIt's only going to be use internally so not overly worried09:15
brobostigonalternative one: make your own.09:15
diploI've debated that too brobostigon or branching one of those ( sorry forking )09:16
brobostigon:)09:16
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davmor2JamesTait: there is always https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNIZofPB8ZM  but he is not sound so happy :)09:31
JamesTaitdavmor2, https://youtu.be/HrxX9TBj2zY09:33
davmor2JamesTait: yeah I guess that would make teachers happy or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oo8QzDHimQ09:35
davmor2Moodoo: see how the videos follow the theme of the day ;)09:39
diploMint and Mate installing, see if I can kill my PC :)09:55
bashrcdepends how old it is, but Mate is lightweight09:56
diploheh it's an old Optiplex with 6gb of ram, dies by the end of the week normally :)09:56
diploI'm interested in Mate to try on my PC and we use Mint at some customer sites and want to write some documentation up09:57
bashrcBecause Mate is really just Gnome 2 it should run well even on pretty ancient hardware, and the ram consumption isn't high09:57
daftykinsdiplo: dies o009:58
daftykinsalso why Mint :(09:58
Laneybeen on phone to a dell 0844 number for about 30 minutes now09:58
* Laney weeps for his phone bill09:58
daftykinshaha, should've used skype09:58
diplodaftykins: I had no say in it.. was installed by our headoffice on what are basically rebranded Gems09:58
daftykinsi just used skype to call Onkyo in Germany about my faulty subwoofer09:58
Laneycan you call those for free?09:58
diploNUCS*09:58
daftykinsi dunno, but often my skype balance doesn't even change with most service numbers09:58
Laneyjust put it in the included minutes already :@09:59
Laneybloody three09:59
daftykinsi take it it's not for work, if on your mobile?09:59
diploWell Mint has failed already... needs more than 8.6 of free space :D10:00
daftykinsit what O_O10:00
daftykinsDVD edition or something?10:00
diploMaybe... but Mate is defo dvd version and installing fine :)10:01
davmor2diplo: if it's an older system you might be better off with something like lubuntu or xubuntu10:01
diploBetter recreate a bigger image i guess10:01
Laneyjust looked at the timer10:01
daftykinsimage?10:01
Laneyit's actually 42 minutes10:02
LaneyGOD10:02
diploNah this is in a VM for writing up for docs, they're running Mint on NUCS that are rebranded10:02
diploCustomers appear to like it... although I'm the only person at work that runs linux on the desktop, so want to write up notes so I don't get asked to much :)10:03
diploAs nobody else bothers10:03
daftykins:) sounds like a plan10:03
daftykinsthen all you need to do is convince them to read them before asking things10:03
diploUpto about 500 pages I think now of docs since I started10:03
daftykins!10:04
diploI've had some success in that too!!!10:04
* daftykins gasps10:04
diploThe company is 25-30 years old, in the last year I've written more documentation than they have in the last 30 :D10:04
Laney Calls, texts, downloads & Euro Internet Pass £17.4610:06
diploBest screenshot app now adays on Ubuntu ?10:06
LaneyWTF10:06
zmoylan-pi...convince them to read them before asking things...10:06
* zmoylan-pi sees flaw in plan...10:06
diploUse Snipping Tool on windows mainly :)10:06
diplozmoylan-pi: I got asked how to "Add a printer" recently docs, one of the guys that always passes on calls was told to read it and did it himself.. so tis working!! :D10:07
daftykinssnipping tool \o/10:13
diploOK mint going on now :)10:14
zmoylan-pifingers crossed... just in case...10:15
daftykinsmakes me giggle a bit the way you referred to a machine with 6GB RAM, we had someone come in #ubuntu the other day wanting to put something on a 1GHz celeron with 256MB10:15
daftykinsi tried to point out it wasn't even worth it, as my own tests showed you end up with 4MB free after boot10:15
daftykinsso it'd be one swaptastic experience :)10:15
zmoylan-pidump the pc with 256mb and get a rasp pi :-)10:16
daftykinsoy, £60 this company in London wants to repair my subwoofer10:16
daftykinswhat a joke10:16
diploBad thing is this is *my* old PC, not a work supplied one10:16
daftykinszmoylan-pi: hah yeah, that might actually be an improvement10:16
bashrcdaftykins: tinycore!10:17
daftykinsnah, it's just not even worth enabling folk like that10:17
zmoylan-pii used a 1gb netbook as main system till about 3 months ago.  if you even browse the web you'll need more than 1gb10:17
daftykinsyeah and forget flash of any variety10:18
zmoylan-pioh i could play flash games in 1gb, i just had to close the browser afterwards to free the memory10:18
daftykinsspeaking of, anyone watch any twitch feeds at all? livestreamer to pipe an HLS feed into a decent media player is amazing in comparison to the horrific flash player they use :)10:18
daftykinszmoylan-pi: :D10:18
daftykinszmoylan-pi: thing with using kit like that, surely it's just too painful for someone such as yourself who knows what they're doing?10:19
* bashrc remembers a time when 1GHz was insanely great10:19
daftykinsi know i can't even tolerate anything non-SSD now10:19
daftykinsbashrc: i think we all do :)10:19
daftykinsstill recall a mate had a 1GHz AMD Athlon when i had an 800MHz PIII10:21
daftykinser, 600 @ 800 :>10:21
zmoylan-pimy home pc was a 350mhz amd k6-2 when everyone was using piii's  was an overnight job to rip a cd to mp3s :-)10:23
bashrcthe bad old days10:23
daftykinscould that even play >128Kbps in realtime? :)10:23
zmoylan-pinah, it was a grand little system.  it worked and was incredibly cheap10:23
zmoylan-pi16mb ram iirc10:24
zmoylan-pior was it 32...10:24
bashrc(queue four yorkshiremen sketch)10:26
zmoylan-pii carried that pc home a few miles on foot... uphill... :-)10:28
daftykinsin the snow?10:28
daftykinsit has to be in the snow...10:28
zmoylan-picut my handy horribly from cheap nasty case10:28
daftykinsi used to consider that initiation on any new build10:28
daftykinsit wasn't going to be troubleshooting free unless you'd zipped yourself somewhere along the line10:29
zmoylan-pifor me it was static shocks10:29
daftykinsouch! guess you had to use static precautions suffering from that?10:29
daftykinsi should probably take that more seriously, i've never had any issues but who knows if a small bit of carelessness here and there could've brought an untimely demise to my own gear10:29
zmoylan-pionly when i was opening them, when i was just installing software i never saw the point till i got zapped10:30
diploI really want to get a SSD for my Dell D820 ( yes I know I need a new laptop at home! )10:30
daftykins:) SSDs are great10:31
diploBut I can't decide what is the right one for it, discussion seems be different all over10:31
diploHardware is old10:31
daftykinswhat's so special to complicate an SSD choice?10:31
diploQuite happy with something tiny tbh10:31
diploAge of the laptop afaik10:31
daftykinsbad enough to be SATA 1.5Gb/sec, or?10:31
diploWill google, not looked in a while10:32
popeyany ssd will improve that laptop10:32
daftykinsi'd get yourself a cheap and cheerful Crucial drive if i were you10:32
daftykinsperhaps a BX100 128GB+10:32
diployeah, I think it was something to do with ahci ?10:32
daftykinsoh i wouldn't worry about that, you don't need AHCI capable kit to run an SSD10:33
diplo£45 sound cheap ?10:33
daftykinsthat Crucial direct? often their own kit is cheaper on amazon10:34
daftykinsthough i might be thinking in my pesky VAT free ways ;)10:34
diplonah first link clicked ( pixmania I think, checking amazon now )10:34
diplo£49 on Amazon10:34
daftykinsah right10:34
daftykinsmay i see?10:35
popeyI'd avoid pixmania10:35
daftykinsbit iffy is it? i was never sure based on the site10:35
popeyI bought something from them and they wanted a scan of my passport10:35
daftykins:S10:35
diplohehe looking on other machine but Anmazon will do.. quite happy with that10:35
daftykinsthat sounds ridiculous10:35
diploReally?!?! I probably wouldn't use them then10:35
diploI'll order one up later10:35
diploQuite happy if they did a smaller one, I sync my claibre library and use terminator on it and that's about it :)10:37
diploBut they've come down loads in price now!!10:37
daftykinsis this the kind of target machine? http://www.amazon.com/Dell-Latitude-D820-2160-60gb/dp/B001QVDPN610:37
daftykinsthey certainly have, only going to get better too10:37
diploYup, looking at link ( just opening! ) has a 60gb drive currently10:37
daftykinsthe advent of third generation 3D V-NAND already from Samsung is really pushing the capacity and reliability10:38
diployeah apart from the Quadro, that's it10:38
daftykins*nod* a BX100 would pep it up very nicely10:38
zmoylan-pimy god 60gb... my usb drive is bigger than that... :-)10:38
daftykinsXD10:38
diploAnd mine has a 2.* CPU10:38
diploWould like to put more ram in it, but last time I checked it was oh my expensive :)10:38
daftykinsmmm probably DDR2 still?10:39
diplozmoylan-pi: It was good in its time :) spend most of my money on kids stuff not mine10:39
diploYep10:39
daftykinsi'm still running my 8 year old core 2 quad, thankfully got 8GB RAM in each this and my core 2 duo file server10:39
daftykinsah no server has 4GB actually10:39
daftykinsmuch to my VMing dismay10:40
zmoylan-pinothing sucks up ram quicker than a vm... or a badly written adobe app...10:40
daftykinsor a modern browser :D10:40
zmoylan-piin the case of browsers is it the browser or the sites that assume that you'll only ever have their page open?10:41
daftykins:) a client likes keeping the FT open, along with around 20 articles he's never going to get around to reading, the flash ads in the pages were causing firefox to crash at least daily until i put an adblocker on10:42
zmoylan-pithat's the internets way of reminding you to install an ad blocker or a flash blocker10:43
daftykinshaving a decent spec machine is making him develop some very bad habits :D10:43
bashrcflash is evil10:43
daftykinsmmm, could've achieved the same by enabling 'ask to activate' on flash i guess10:43
diploCan't get ride of software running in rendering mode on Mint, only want to take screenshots.. I don't care :D11:13
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Buntusimpletonpls can someone help me by talking me through installing a tarball12:10
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popeyBuntusimpleton: what is it you're trying to install?12:12
Buntusimpletonmendeley12:12
Buntusimpletonits a reference managing program (am writing my dissertation)12:12
popeythere's a deb for ubuntu12:13
popeyhttps://www.mendeley.com/download-mendeley-desktop/ubuntu/instructions/12:13
Buntusimpletonthanks popey12:18
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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)13:42
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)13:46
bigcalmBah13:46
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davmor2bigcalm: okay we heard you the first time ;)14:00
bigcalm:P14:00
bigcalmTrigger happy14:00
TwistedLucidityemacs14:01
davmor2bigcalm: try using a keyboard an mouse rather than a gun it might be better14:01
TwistedLucidityRats, wrong window14:01
davmor2TwistedLucidity: oh your the user14:03
diplohehehe14:06
bigcalm!isitoutyet14:11
lubotu3`Error: unresolvable <alias> to isitout-#ubuntu-release-party14:11
bigcalm¬.¬14:11
bigcalmNot that I use anything other than LTS these days14:12
davmor2bigcalm: https://imgflip.com/i/s2nku14:15
bigcalmdavmor2: this Thursday or next week?14:16
davmor2bigcalm: 22nd14:16
bigcalmOh, yes. Late in the month14:17
bigcalmIt was only 10.10 that was released on the 10th14:17
diddledanmernign15:32
popeypip pip15:34
zmoylan-pi*beep beep*15:34
Myrttibleep15:35
daftykinstime to go fill out 20 forms in triplicate at the post office to send a hard disk for RMA ¬_¬15:35
daftykinsthink i'd find it easier posting a homemade clock *whistle*15:36
* zmoylan-pi digs whole in bog for forms to be composted in15:36
MyrttiI just filled out a form online and now I have to wait for a letter that's going to tell me to mail my passport away15:36
davmor2popey: Tallyho15:37
zmoylan-pii was tempted to send this clock to a mate in the uk... :-) http://www.waycoolgadgets.com/dynamite-alarm-clock/15:37
zmoylan-pifrom ireland...15:37
daftykins:)15:37
diddledanzmoylan-pi: wow15:37
diddledanzmoylan-pi: I want one15:38
NET||abusehey guys. i'm having a little xorg trouble. i have xps 15, intel/nvidia optimus machine16:07
NET||abusei upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04 and i had bumblebee working pretty well, and intel performance seemed fine, but i'm getting 1. intel video choppyness (youtube/netflix etc) and general lousy performance on desktop once i have a few different apps open.16:08
NET||abuse2. optimus driver issues, device not found errors16:08
NET||abusebumbleed is failing to start16:10
Myrttibumblebee is IMO deprecated anyway16:14
NET||abuse? really16:18
NET||abuse@Myrtti by what?16:18
Myrttis/IMO/IIRC/16:20
NET||abuseIf you recall, ok, but what do you recall it being replaced by?16:25
NET||abuse if there is something else,, awesome, i have to know :)16:26
daftykinsNET||abuse: by nvidia-prime, has been for ages16:27
daftykinsinstall nvidia-331 or above and it should pull in nvidia-prime with it, which'll function well typically on optimus setups with 14.04+16:28
NET||abuseare you sure? i thought bumblebee worked in conjunction with optirun or primusrun16:28
daftykinsprobably even 12.04.2 but we don't worry about that ;)16:28
daftykinsi've been advising and solving peoples issues with optimus laptops in #ubuntu for a couple of years now, pushing nvidia-prime16:28
daftykinsso yeah16:28
Myrttithe HiDPI problems still are infuriating16:29
NET||abuseI think this is something i'm just a bit unclear of,, i want to use intel for my desktop and just use the nvidia card for an accelerated apps.16:29
daftykinsthere is still a lot of variance in optimus implementations of course16:29
MyrttiI'm just happy I've got XPS13 9333, not XPS15 9540 or whatever my husband has16:29
daftykinsyeah nvidia-settings will gain some choice settings once -prime is on16:29
NET||abusei thought nvidia-primus forced the nvidia card to be used from the start of X16:29
NET||abuseor am I wrong and nvidia-primus allows for card switching?16:30
daftykinsMyrtti: ah now you've had a lot more time with it, have you gotten anything close to the 12hrs (QHD) or 15hrs (FHD) Windows does?16:30
daftykinsnot primus, nvidia-prime :)16:30
NET||abuseoh right.16:30
NET||abusedaftykins: so nvidia-prime DOES allow card switching, so i can run intel for most stuff,, and then nvidia for games/ high res video playback, or something.16:31
daftykinsi can only suggest giving it a go, i own an optimus laptop myself but don't run Linux on it16:31
daftykinsi think so yeah16:31
Myrttidaftykins: well it seems to last a considerable time but I've not really tested it that much, I doubt 15hrs is close to reality tho16:31
daftykinsit truly is in Windows16:32
daftykinsi'm talking real world, review on anandtech.com16:32
Myrttiyeah I doubt it's reality on Ubuntu16:32
daftykins*nod*16:32
MyrttiI can try the next time I try to control our 3D printer with Octoprint :-D16:33
Myrttipending on when we get our home office sorted and cleaned, it's a semi chaotic dumpster right now16:33
daftykinsno wired LAN is still a dealbreaker for me though :)16:42
Myrttidsample had to resort into using an old USB-to-Ethernet bobble when he reinstalled Ubuntu on the weekend16:43
NET||abusedaftykins: plugable usb3 gigabit usb adapter :)16:44
daftykinsyeah those aren't acceptable to me.16:44
NET||abusefair nuff, seen some good usb extenders with built in gig ethernet adapters too16:44
daftykinsimo Dell made a huge mistake there, because even the Lenovo X1 carbon has wired still there, just a little adapter cable to reduce the socket16:44
MyrttiI just value the portability so much. It's been such a pleasure to have a laptop so light when traveling16:45
daftykinsi tried amazon for 10gigE cards and switches today :D still not a thing :(16:45
daftykinsor not reasonable, anyway16:45
NET||abusehaha, that would be awesome16:46
daftykinsmmm, my few year old asus isn't bad - https://www.asus.com/media/global/products/9g7Gx4mX49JhUUJ7/P_500.jpg16:46
NET||abuseMyrtti: yeh, i've switched back and forward btween the 13 and the 15,,, the 13 is really excellent portability wise16:46
Myrttithis reminds me of an Amazon search I meant to do16:46
daftykinsthat's the one with optimus16:46
MyrttiNET||abuse: that, and because I don't really play games, the non-hassle of having just plain Intel sealed the deal for me16:47
daftykinsi got a 12.5" Lenovo X240 for a client, he loves it but it's still got some thickness and heft to it16:47
NET||abuseI'd love to have a look at one of those.16:47
daftykinsgot the X1 carbon for his wife as she needed portability over all else, really16:48
daftykinsboth were about £1,200 without VAT too16:48
Myrttialso, eBay is a great thing. We bought this XPS13 last year from eBay refurber and it has onsite Dell support16:48
NET||abuseold xps 13?16:48
daftykinsmmm i was quite jealous of that :)16:48
daftykinswould've worked out very cheap16:48
MyrttiNET||abuse: 933316:48
NET||abuseahhh, i got the 934316:50
Myrttihttp://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/ecomputers.ltd?_trksid=p2047675.l255916:50
NET||abuseit's been absolutely excellent16:50
Myrttihubby bought the XPS15 straight from Dell16:50
Myrttihe's had quite a bit of trouble with his16:51
daftykinsomw, there's an FHD 9343 on there right now for £780 :O16:51
NET||abuseyeh, i want the higher dpi UHD screen16:51
daftykinsi'd rather the 15hrs battery 8D16:51
NET||abusebut the batery will run for sooo long with the FHD16:52
* arsenip pokes daftykins with his macbook12 :p16:54
bashrccmake -D CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=RELEASE -D CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/local -D WITH_FFMPEG=OFF -D WITH_QT=OFF -D WITH_OPENGL=ON ..16:55
daftykinsarsenip: pfft16:55
daftykinsarsenip: i'm over on Thursday if you're not busy :o16:55
arseniporly, where at?16:55
daftykinsgatwick ~9am16:56
daftykinswill be headed for Brighton for the eve, but not got any plans for the day now16:56
arsenipjust for the day?16:56
daftykinsnah 'til Monday16:56
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davmor2hmmm proper home made Jamaican curried chicken from someone who knows how to cook it is glorious18:00
* directhex hands davmor2 a goat corpse18:40
davmor2directhex: don't tempt me she does that better than the chicken18:40
diddledanthis is pretty accurate: https://xkcd.com/1181/19:20
davmor2diddledan: No it's not obvious enough19:41
foobarryhow can i watch the panorama that was just on?20:04
foobarryiplayer doesn't have it yet20:04
diddledanfoobarry: I think you just have to wait20:04
StevenR_foobarry: wait for an hour or so20:07
popeyyou can watch it now20:08
popeyhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone20:08
diddledanthat was quick20:09
popeyit shows you the current and previous programmes at the bottom of the streaming bit20:09
popeyno, its not that20:09
popeyyou can "rewind" to previous programmes20:09
diddledanaah20:09
* diddledan watches20:09
foobarrydid the washing up20:29
foobarrynow ready to watch :D20:29
diddledan:-o20:29
diddledanhousework! >.<20:29
foobarrygreasy roast chicken dishes and emptying the kitchen bin20:29
foobarryand load the dishawasher20:29
foobarryman points20:30
foobarryactually no points. just life :(20:30
diddledanwait? they're reboobing macguyver?22:45
diddledandaily fail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3260663/Popular-80s-series-MacGyver-gets-reboot-Furious-7-director-James-Wan-helm.html22:46
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