[02:06] <sak> sarnold, are you suggesting that I build it?
[03:14] <pitti> Good morning
[04:31] <hikiko> hello
[05:10] <didrocks> good morning
[05:17] <larsu> bonjour!
[05:19] <didrocks> hey larsu! how are things?
[05:19] <hikiko> hi didrocks larsu
[05:19] <didrocks> morning hikiko
[05:20] <larsu> hi didrocks & hikiko
[05:20] <larsu> good thanks - didn't sleep well for some reason
[05:20] <larsu> you?
[05:20] <didrocks> oh? :/
[05:20] <didrocks> I'm good!
[05:20] <larsu> cold gone?
[05:21] <didrocks> just an end of sneezing, but nothing serious
[05:21] <larsu> nice :)
[05:21] <didrocks> should be really gone by EOD
[05:21] <TheMuso> Hey folks, totally forgot to do the morning thing earlier. :)
[05:21] <didrocks> but raining the whole day
[05:21] <didrocks> hey TheMuso ;)
[05:21] <larsu> morning TheMuso
[05:21] <didrocks> so won't run :(
[05:21] <larsu> didrocks: come over here, it's nice!
[05:21] <didrocks> (did run a semi-marathon once again yesterday to compensate)
[05:21] <larsu> oh wow!
[05:21] <didrocks> heh :)
[05:21] <didrocks> starting to do that once a week
[05:21] <larsu> that's quite a lot
[05:22] <didrocks> (and the traditional 11kms + 10 kms of cycling the other 4 days)
[05:22] <larsu> what's your time? (or are you just running for fun?)
[05:22] <didrocks> 1h50
[05:22] <larsu> neat
[05:22] <didrocks> well, counting at large
[05:22]  * larsu needs to get into longer distances as well
[05:22] <didrocks> just looking at the time when leaving and when I arrive
[05:22] <larsu> yeah, which is enough on that scale
[05:22] <larsu> unless you're competing
[05:22] <didrocks> yep :)
[05:23] <didrocks> 11-12kms/h is enough for me ;)
[06:07] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:07] <pitti> hey larsu!
[06:07] <pitti> hey hikiko
[06:09] <didrocks> hey pitti
[06:11] <hikiko> hello pitti
[06:13] <tjaalton> how can I restore the launchers on unity panel? it's missing firefox and LO at least
[06:21] <larsu> morning pitti! wie gehts?
[06:22] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[06:22] <larsu> hi seb128 :)
[06:22] <pitti> larsu: bin viel zu frueh aufgewacht (2:00 argh), aber sonst okay, danke
[06:22] <pitti> bonjour seb128 !
[06:25] <larsu> ooh wie ist das denn passiert?
[06:27] <pitti> larsu: some stomach revolting, should be mostly harmless though :)
[06:27] <larsu> pitti: sorry to hear. all the best!
[07:11] <seb128> dobey, I commented on the apport hook issue, I don't know python well enough to say why the hook is doing doesn't work/if it should work, but the suggested change does fix it
[07:55] <willcooke> morning all
[07:55] <larsu> morning willcooke
[07:55] <larsu> sup?
[07:55] <willcooke> The sun is shining again!
[07:55] <larsu> \o/
[07:55] <larsu> did you leave england?
[07:56] <willcooke> lol
[07:56] <willcooke> :D
[07:56] <seb128> hey willcooke
[07:57] <willcooke> morning seb128
[07:58] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:58] <didrocks> no sun here! rain, give back the sun!
[07:58] <willcooke> muhahaha
[08:04] <Laney> ahoy
[08:05] <willcooke> morning Laney
[08:08] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:12] <Laney> hey seb128 & willcooke
[08:12] <Laney> how are you?
[08:12] <willcooke> no bad
[08:13] <Laney> tidy
[08:17] <larsu> Laney!
[08:18] <Laney> ay caramba!
[08:18] <seb128> good!
[08:41] <Laney> pitti: hey, I just got a calendar reminder to check on the out of date langpacks (https://udd.debian.org/~laney/less.txt)
[08:41] <Laney> looks like the export happened
[08:41] <Laney> also, hey, how's it going :-)
[08:43] <pitti> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:43] <pitti> Laney: yes, I built fresh langpacks last Thu (or Fri?) and they seemed okay
[08:45] <Laney> feeling good!
[08:45] <Laney> pitti: so we need to remove those out of date ones now?
[08:46] <pitti> Laney: yes, I think so; is https://udd.debian.org/~laney/less.txt up to date, or should I refresh this?
[08:46] <Laney> I just ran the query
[08:47] <pitti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12695701/ are the translation statistics
[08:48] <pitti> so e. g. -af actually should be there (I cut off at < 5%)
[08:48] <pitti> wow, why wasn't that built
[08:49] <Laney> af,am,an,ar all are >5
[08:50] <pitti> so the log shows it was built, not discarded, and yet it's not there
[08:50] <pitti> Laney: oh!
[08:51] <pitti> Laney: building the -touch packages discarded the non-touch ones as well, argh
[08:51]  * pitti fixifies
[08:51]  * Laney blinks
[09:01]  * pitti has a reproducing test case now
[09:05] <seb128> larsu, you can delete https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/evince/lp1381897/+merge/238538 or mark it as merged, it was proposed against the wrong vcs so didn't get closed on commit/upload but it has been merged for a while
[09:06] <larsu> seb128: sure thing. done.
[09:06] <seb128> larsu, thanks
[09:11] <seb128> charles, seems like you lined up a wily landing for indicator-datetime, why not including the other approved changes? (translator comment and no-gdbus-proxy from lars)?
[09:13] <seb128> darkxst, you might want to review/include https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/ubuntu-gnome-default-settings/lightdm-config/+merge/267279
[09:14] <pitti> Laney: embarrassing bug.. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/revision/547
[09:14] <pitti> Laney: I'll rebuild the packs now
[09:17] <Laney> pitti: thanks!
[09:17] <Laney> It was because touch didn't want these langpacks for some reason?
[09:17] <Laney> Or they failed the 5% test there but not in Ubuntu?
[09:17] <Laney> or so
[09:18] <pitti> Laney: for touch we have a treshold of 70%
[09:18] <pitti> and TBH we should consider something more than 5% in Ubuntu as well
[09:19] <pitti> offering a langpack with just 5% coverage feels like a scam, but at the same time we want to motivate translators to see some results
[09:20] <Laney> Maybe it's motivating to say that you have to achieve x% (for high value of x) to get your translations in the distro
[09:21]  * Laney is not the best person to give opinions on translations :)
[09:21] <pitti> 70% sounds fine for touch, which is a confined product, and ignores stuff like gcc or bash translations
[09:22] <pitti> for ubuntu it should certainly not be that high, but maybe 20%; i. e. you cna translate the desktop, but not the CLI tools
[09:22] <pitti> problem is, you could also translate nothing but gcc and still get 10% or so :)
[09:27] <darkxst> seb128, thanks, that one slipped through the cracks
[09:27] <seb128> darkxst, yw!
[09:45] <Trevinho> Hi
[09:46] <seb128> hey Trevinho
[09:54] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[09:59] <willcooke> morning Trevinho
[10:10] <Trevinho> didrocks: you maybe can give hints for https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1502897? Isn't possible what I said (using branch_link to match the series)?
[10:10] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1502897 in CI Train [cu2d] "Upstream bug tasks assigned to MPs should be marked as "Fix Committed" after merge" [Medium,Incomplete]
[10:25] <didrocks> Trevinho: yeah, what you say make sense
[11:11] <andyrock> morning!
[11:11] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[11:25] <andyrock> everthing linked with GMenuModel seems to leak, crash
[11:27] <larsu> lol
[11:28] <Trevinho> :D
[12:31] <popey> Anyone else got a laptop on 15.10 which has a multi-touch enabled touchpad? Scrolling anything for me scrolls then suddenly triggers alt+tab....
[12:31] <Trevinho> mine should have it, but I don't get that
[12:31] <popey> in fact just holding two fingers on it triggers it
[12:31] <Trevinho> well, not sure I've actually disabled something or, just the driver doesn't work
[12:31] <popey> it's infuriating
[12:32] <Trevinho> yeah, I can imagine
[12:33] <seb128> popey, when did that start?
[12:33] <seb128> popey, how do I tell if my touchpad does multi touch?
[12:33] <popey> seb128: dunno, clean install I just did on a machine I haven't run Ubuntu on before
[12:33] <popey> two fingers swiping up and down should scroll a web page
[12:34] <seb128> two finger scrolling works here, doesn't open alt-tab
[12:34]  * popey reboots and prays
[12:34] <popey> hm thanks.
[12:35] <popey> reboot -> guest session, still does it.
[12:35]  * popey googles.
[12:37] <seb128> popey, do you have a macbook pro?
[12:38] <seb128> seems similar to bug #1264795
[12:38] <ubot5`> bug 1264795 in Unity "Alt+Tab Switcher randomly activates itself" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1264795
[12:38] <seb128> alt-tab is a 3 finger tap so maybe there is some driver issue that makes your 2 finger scroll seen as a 3 fingers tap
[12:42] <popey> seb128: yes
[12:42] <popey> seb128: good find!
[12:42] <seb128> :-)
[12:46] <popey> :( Looks like it's unfixable / unworkaroundable.
[12:47] <seb128> disable the touchpad
[12:47] <seb128> but I guess that's not a workaround you like
[12:48] <popey> that's not really a workaround anyone can use
[12:49] <popey> "My display doesn't work, disconnect the display" -> uh, okay :)
[12:52] <seb128> well, if you use your laptop docked it's a practicable workaround
[12:52] <seb128> in fact I disable the touchpad on my laptop, I hate touchpads
[12:52] <seb128> I use the nibble in the middle of the keyboard
[12:53] <seb128> but I take from your reply that it's not a workaround for your usecase
[12:53] <seb128> sorry I don't have a better suggestion, maybe Trevinho or bregma have some possible hacks...
[12:54] <didrocks> oh, some sun between 2 heavy rains. While the tests are running in the DC and maybe won't be interrupted this time, time for a run!
[12:55] <Trevinho> not really unfortunately, I've not been looking much at the touch stuff in the past, I guess bregma is better for that
[12:56] <bregma> popey, it's the over-sensitive hardware, it's really detecting three touches as you casually caress it
[12:56] <bregma> it gets a little too excited
[12:56] <bregma> the only real fix would be to provide a configuration option in Unity to disable the three-touch gesture
[12:56] <Trevinho> mh, this descriptions look really weird (if you don't think to hardware) :D
[12:57] <popey> seb128: it is a macbook pro, there is no dock, so no, it's not practical
[12:57] <Trevinho> mh, yeah, settings are probably the best "wkaround" in this case, not nice but still something that we'd need
[12:58] <popey> shame :(
[12:59] <popey> seb128: I disable the touchpad on my x220 too, touchpads are the devils work :)
[12:59] <seb128> I guess it would be doable to add a ccsm option to users who have such problematic hardware could at least workaround it
[13:00] <popey> It would ideally be in the mouse section of system settings
[13:00] <popey> where there's already a "two finger scroll" and "tap to click" option
[13:00] <seb128> what? the "disable unity gestures"?
[13:00] <popey> no, flip on and off things that are related
[13:00] <seb128> well, if that's a real user option
[13:00] <popey> yeah, this bug is clearly not a affecting a ton of users
[13:00] <seb128> we are not going to add an UI just for a workaround option
[13:00] <popey> yeah
[13:01] <bregma> two-finger scroll and tap to click are provided by the Synaptics touch driver inside X11
[13:01] <popey> ahh
[13:01] <bregma> 3- and 4-finger gestures in Unity are internal to Unity
[13:01] <popey> it's a shame that a 2 year old bug on 5 year old hardware, the solution is "buy a mouse"
[13:02] <Trevinho> are there updates to those drivers, that might improve things?
[13:02] <bregma> right-thinking individuals eschew touchpads
[13:02] <popey> i hear you brother! :)
[13:02] <popey> shame apple don't add nipples
[13:02] <bregma> BT mouse for the win, works with the phone too
[13:03]  * bregma needs more wireless mice to get lost in the clutter
[13:04] <pitti> Laney: uploading/accepting the missing langpacks now, thanks for spotting!
[13:05] <pitti> Laney: can you re-run your magic script in a few hours, to check for remaining stragglers?
[13:06] <seb128> tjaalton, screen rotation/bug #1486920 seems to work now in wily, can you try if you still have the issue?
[13:06] <ubot5`> bug 1486920 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu) "[regression] 90/270 degree rotation is broken" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1486920
[13:07] <seb128> Trevinho, should bug #1482181 be closed with your recent wily landing?
[13:07] <ubot5`> bug 1482181 in unity (Ubuntu) "Media keys (ctrl-alt-t, brightness, play/pause) don't work randomly after logging" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482181
[13:09] <tjaalton> seb128: ah, sure
[13:10] <popey> Hm, might have a possible workaround.
[13:10] <Trevinho> seb128: it should, yes
[13:10] <seb128> Trevinho, can you close it then? ;-)
[13:11] <Trevinho> seb128: sure, I thought it was  another one, i didn't see the duplicate
[13:12] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[13:32] <desrt> hi desktop
[13:33] <willcooke> hi desrt
[13:33] <Laney> pitti: thank you! will do
[13:35] <attente> hello
[13:35] <desrt> morning, attente :)
[13:40] <seb128> hey desrt attente
[13:40] <Laney> hi canada!
[13:42] <Laney> oh yay my bike is fixed
[13:43] <desrt> Laney: thought of you yesterday when i read that the TTC is installing bike repair shops at 10 subway stations
[13:45] <desrt> DIY ones with common tools plus stands to park your bike on while you work on it
[13:45] <Laney> nice
[13:45] <Laney> I think we have some of those at the university here
[13:46] <Laney> and there are a few shops, including a record shop for some reason, which have public bike pumps now
[13:46] <Laney> that one is the best one because it's push button
[13:47] <Laney> this time I was too lazy to buy a wheel and change it myself :(
[13:59] <Laney> Downloaded 213351 MiB in 249463s at 875.77 kiB/s.
[13:59] <Laney> long initial mirror is long
[14:00] <seb128> just curious but is a full mirror really useful?
[14:00] <Laney> sbuild doesn't have caching
[14:00] <seb128> or what situation is it?
[14:01] <seb128> do you do archive greps?
[14:01] <Laney> could use an apt-cacher but hey
[14:01] <seb128> I see :-)
[14:01] <Laney> now I get to download packages super fast
[14:02] <seb128> right, it's just that you probably need like 3% of those
[14:02] <Laney> I probably would have it unpacked if I had enough space
[14:02] <seb128> on course of a year
[14:02] <Laney> basically it takes care of itself
[14:03] <seb128> eating some bandwith and power daily
[14:03] <seb128> but I guess it's small enough
[14:03] <willcooke> I've got about 6 Ubuntu machines on my LAN, so I can see that it would help in that situation
[14:03]  * seb128 doesn't like much the idea of having machines always on though
[14:04] <Laney> that's why I have the rpi
[14:04] <seb128> willcooke, depends of "help", you probably download more to keep the mirror uptodate that you would download by upgrading the 6 machines
[14:04] <willcooke> yeah, maybe
[14:05] <seb128> like you get to download n*emacs, java, eclipse, kernels you don't use, etc
[14:05] <seb128> the archive is big and debian/ubuntu do lot of uploads ;-)
[14:06] <willcooke> when the zombie apocalypse comes I'll still be able to install java
[14:06] <seb128> hehe
[14:06] <Laney> it doesn't change enough for me to notice after the initial sync
[14:06] <Laney> actually I don't even notice that
[14:06] <Laney> just that I have to use the normal mirrors for a while so builds are slow :P
[14:06] <tjaalton> so the latest firefox update removed the launcher for good?
[14:07] <seb128> tjaalton, no
[14:07] <seb128> tjaalton, maybe you were still having unity running with was buggy with new glib and though .desktop were removed on package upgrades
[14:07] <seb128> ?
[14:07] <tjaalton> yes, but didn't come back after a reboot
[14:07] <seb128> well, why would it
[14:07] <Laney> that's because it got removed
[14:08] <Laney> re-add it and it will stay
[14:08] <tjaalton> ok
[14:08] <popey> Got another bug for you! :D - just install nvidia-current on my MacBook Pro and now I can't type in my LUKS password. text doesn't go in the box, but over the top of the plymouth splash... http://imgur.com/mlCVqpL
[14:08] <seb128> unity thinks the file didn't exists anymore and remove it from the config
[14:08] <tjaalton> I did this once already, for libreoffice too
[14:08] <seb128> popey, not for us, that's before the desktop even starts to load
[14:08] <popey> hmmm
[14:08] <seb128> popey, go to #ubuntu-devel, you want foundations
[14:08] <seb128> ;-)
[14:08] <popey> ok
[14:08] <popey> thanks :)
[14:08] <seb128> yw
[14:15] <Laney> this looks funny https://objectstorage.prodstack4-5.canonical.com/v1/AUTH_77e2ada1e7a84929a74ba3b87153c0ac/autopkgtest-wily/wily/amd64/s/software-properties/20151006_132238@/log.gz
[14:20] <charles> seb128, because I'm an idiot. do you have the links to those two branches handy?
[14:20] <seb128> charles, hey
[14:20] <seb128> charles, https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/indicator-datetime/dont-use-gdbusproxy/+merge/270081 https://code.launchpad.net/~ricsipontaz/indicator-datetime/fixed-comment-for-translators/+merge/271807
[14:21] <charles> seb128, thanks :-)
[14:21] <seb128> charles, and no, you are not an idiot, easy to overlook things with everything good on
[14:21] <seb128> charles, thanks for including them in the landing ;-)
[14:21] <charles> seb128, :-)
[14:29] <Laney> right
[14:30] <Laney> I need to learn how to use that git rerere thing
[14:31] <Laney> oh, this seems easy
[14:48] <andyrock> seb128: the crash you reported with bug #1499133 looks like to #1502551
[14:48] <ubot5`> bug 1499133 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_menu_tracker_remove_items()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499133
[14:48] <andyrock> that latter has been marked as a duplicate of an already fixed glib one
[14:48] <seb128> shrug
[14:49] <seb128> andyrock, I mentioned that on the channel when I reported it
[14:49] <seb128> the apps hit the glib issue
[14:49] <seb128> but the segfault in u-s-p is older
[14:49]  * desrt blinks
[14:50] <seb128> it might just be that applications closing this way trigger the usp issue
[14:50] <andyrock> what you mean for "closing this way"?
[14:51] <seb128> andyrock, the glib issue makes e.g piding segfault on start
[14:51] <seb128> so maybe it's not done yet sending menus over dbus
[14:52] <seb128> and the incomplement export confuses usp
[14:52] <seb128> incomplete*
[14:52] <andyrock> ah ok
[14:52] <andyrock> makes sense
[14:52] <andyrock> I'll take a look
[14:52] <seb128> so the usp issue is less frequent without the apps hitting the glib bug
[14:52] <seb128> but it's there and it's hit in other cases
[14:52] <seb128> since it was reported before
[14:54] <seb128> andyrock, just for the record, https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/fb90c5cd261c59daee2e455c7e2445e2787affde
[14:55] <seb128> bug #1300713
[14:55] <ubot5`> bug 1300713 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_menu_tracker_remove_items()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1300713
[14:55] <seb128> andyrock, you probably want to keep that one as reference, it's not mixed with the glib issue
[14:56] <andyrock> seb128: can I at least mark bug #1499133 as a dup of bug #1300713
[14:56] <andyrock> ?
[14:56] <ubot5`> bug 1499133 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_menu_tracker_remove_items()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1499133
[14:56] <ubot5`> bug 1300713 in unity (Ubuntu) "unity-panel-service crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_menu_tracker_remove_items()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1300713
[14:57] <seb128> andyrock, yes ;-)
[14:57] <seb128> andyrock, you might want to copy my valgrind log over
[15:05] <andyrock> seb128: likely it's not ups fault but indicator-appmenu
[15:05] <andyrock> ups does not deal with windows etc
[15:05] <andyrock> I'll take a look
[15:06] <andyrock> but menus and indicators are not something that I really understand :D
[15:06] <seb128> k
[15:06] <seb128> maybe Trevinho can help you
[15:06] <Trevinho> let me see
[15:08] <Trevinho> it might be even in unity-gtk-module...
[15:09] <Trevinho> the stacktrace only mentions gmenumodel, but it might be one of its customers
[15:09] <seb128> Trevinho, saw the valgrind log?
[15:10] <seb128> but yeah, could be gtk as well
[15:14] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, not yet... I gave a quick lock at e.u.c
[15:15] <Trevinho> look*
[15:30] <willcooke> hi all
[15:30] <qengho> Ahem.
[15:30] <didrocks> hey ho
[15:30] <larsu> hi hi
[15:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2015-10-06
[15:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct  6 15:30:30 2015 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:30] <willcooke> Roll call:  andyrock, attente, desrt,  dgadomski, didrocks, hikiko (out), laney, larsu, qengho,
[15:30] <willcooke> seb128, sweet5hark, themuso (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[15:31] <larsu> o/ (but should prepare notes.... uh oh)
[15:31] <andyrock> \o
[15:31] <seb128> hey
[15:31] <desrt> \o
[15:31] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:31] <willcooke> oops
[15:31] <willcooke> no
[15:31] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[15:31] <andyrock> hey
[15:32] <andyrock> * Reviewing some Marco's branches
[15:32] <andyrock> * Have a workaround for Hud leaks (basically the idea is to limit the maximum numbers of menus exported)
[15:32] <andyrock> * Right now reviewing hikiko compiz fix
[15:33] <andyrock> * Plan to work on ups crash and in the mean while on all the leaks linked with menus
[15:33] <andyrock> * eof
[15:33] <attente> sorry, was in a hangout
[15:33] <willcooke> thanks andyrock
[15:33] <willcooke> np attente, good timing
[15:33] <willcooke> #topic attente
[15:34] <attente> spent some time debugging and fixing broken indicator-keyboard tests
[15:34] <attente> finished popup work for x11, broadway and quartz gdk backends. to-do are win32, mir and wayland backends...
[15:34] <attente> (eof)
[15:35] <seb128> attente, was the indicator-keyboard fix ready?
[15:35] <seb128> I tried it this morning but a local bzr bd still fails to build
[15:36] <attente> seb128: it was, but it needs merging
[15:36] <seb128> k, let's discuss it after the meeting
[15:36] <attente> https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/indicator-keyboard/manually-set-xdg-runtime-dir/+merge/273451
[15:36] <seb128> because your branch still fails to build for me
[15:36] <attente> really?
[15:36] <attente> oh...
[15:36] <seb128> yes, but on another error
[15:36] <seb128> anyway, not a meeting topic
[15:36] <attente> can you paste me the error after the meeting?
[15:37] <seb128> sure
[15:37] <willcooke> thanks chaps
[15:37] <willcooke> #topic desrt
[15:37] <desrt> hi
[15:37] <desrt> was at openhelp conference for most of last week
[15:37] <desrt> but i did manage to get some bugfixing type work done while i was there
[15:38] <desrt> mostly file-monitor stuff, since that's my life story these days :)
[15:38] <desrt> eof
[15:38] <willcooke> thanks desrt
[15:38] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:40] <willcooke> maybe on hols, we can come back if needed
[15:40] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[15:40] <didrocks> hey
[15:40] <didrocks> ubuntu make:
[15:40] <didrocks> - we have a new contributor (small but nice contribution on the starting guide requirement to contribute) \o/
[15:40] <didrocks> - did some pull request reviews
[15:40] <didrocks> - implemented properly a way for a framework to depend on multiple websites, and implemented a SNI small server for medium tests to test them. Dart framework is the first consumer of it. (now, I can grrr on the sparse SNI documentation in python's world)
[15:40] <didrocks> - some code refactoring to remove duplication and make creating new frameworks even easier.
[15:40] <didrocks> - fighting mostly throughout the week with s-jenkins (CI datacenter) being flacky. Sometimes down, sometimes very slow (like now).
[15:40] <didrocks> - also maybe an update in trusty made jenkins slave quite fragile, tried various strategy to get that better, still not there.
[15:40] <didrocks> - continue pushing on python 3.4.3 regression (debug the source, reported https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500768, push a workaround in a ppa for s-jenkins, answered to people reporting duplicated bugs). Thanks to seb128 for helping pushing, python 3.4.3 is reverted in 14.04 as we speak.
[15:40] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1500768 in python3.4 (Ubuntu Trusty) "python3.4.3 SRU break requests" [High,Triaged]
[15:40] <didrocks> - get back tests to 100% passing \o/ And added even more tests (raised the code coverage to reach 92%)
[15:40] <didrocks> - tried (when s-jenkins was available) to debug flackyness in tests. Seems due to the more and more fragile jenkins client (update not happening) as discussed above.
[15:40] <didrocks> misc:
[15:40] <didrocks> - handled regression triggered by jayatana and SRU it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jayatana/+bug/1441487. Pinged our java maintainer as we need at some point some proper appmenu integration for java apps. Still gave a way per application to export the menu through jayatana.
[15:40] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1441487 in jayatana (Ubuntu Vivid) "Running any Java program produces messages in the terminal, while rendering many Java applications broken" [Critical,Fix committed]
[15:40] <didrocks> .
[15:41] <willcooke> thanks didrocks.  Great to hear about new contributors
[15:41] <willcooke> #topic hikiko
[15:41] <willcooke> I'll edit hikiko's status to:  bugs
[15:41] <willcooke> there is more detail if anyone needs it, but it's low down nuts and bolts stuff
[15:41] <willcooke> sorry hikiko :D
[15:42] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[15:42] <Laney> HI
[15:42] <Laney> • Many many queue reviews
[15:42] <Laney> • Upload random bugfixes to packages (glib, eog, e-d-s, probably others) and some branches for people (e.g. gtk+3.0 dbus-test-runner)
[15:42] <Laney> • Check packages which are out of date in wily with respect to vivid and fix those (thanks pitti for helping with langpacks)
[15:42] <Laney> • Help with reviewing/uploading the wallpapers
[15:42] <Laney> • Some FTBFS fixes from the archive rebuild (variously in Ubuntu, Debian and upstream)
[15:42] <Laney> • New upstream release of gdk-pixbuf
[15:42] <Laney> • Update gstreamer stack to 1.6.0 stable release
[15:42] <Laney> • Write down some DMB things which maybe only lived inside my (or  other members') head (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase still needs reviewing)
[15:43] <Laney> • First (micro) fix to autopkgtest-cloud to make the worker deployable without intervention
[15:43] <Laney> ☙
[15:43] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[15:43] <willcooke> #topic larsu
[15:43] <larsu> hi
[15:43] <larsu> - finish some eog work (menubar, fullscreen button, toolbar theming)
[15:43] <larsu> - some bug fixes: ido, investigate unity accelgrab stuff
[15:44] <larsu> - geonames: incorporate desrt's suggestions, write docs (yell at gtkdocize)
[15:44] <larsu> (creating a new little project is *way* too much work)
[15:44] <larsu> - some other stuff I don't remember right now
[15:44] <larsu> - also was a bit sick and not at 100% all days
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[15:44] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[15:44] <willcooke> #topic qengho
[15:47] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[15:48] <seb128> hey
[15:48] <seb128> • updated dkms and cheese apport hooks to stop raising errors
[15:48] <seb128> • reported python-apt bugs to debian (mostly for error issues impacting oneconf)
[15:48] <seb128> • rebuild wxwidget2.8 rdepends after rebuilding the lib with gcc5
[15:48] <seb128> • cleared out old gwibber code from software-center, that was raising some errors and not working
[15:48] <seb128> • fixed aptdaemon/lintian integration to not complain when trying to install e.g skype or chrome
[15:48] <seb128> • investigated u-s-d e.u.c report, the touchpad toggle key was not migrated to the new schemas, fixed that
[15:48] <seb128> • sponsoring (libmbim, libreoffice, chromium, gnome-main-menu, libreoffice-template)
[15:48] <seb128> • backported libmtp updated devices list from trunk to wily and trusty
[15:48] <seb128> • reviewed/landed u-s-d bugfixes
[15:48] <seb128> • fixed ubiquity's apport hook encoding issue
[15:48] <seb128> • looked at wily archive rebuild output and fixes some ftbfses
[15:48] <seb128> • debugged/fixed software-center reviews integration to unity not working
[15:48] <seb128> • gvfs stable update and backported extra bugfix
[15:48] <seb128> • cleaned out old gwibber code from software-center
[15:48] <seb128> • removed debug print leftover from notify-osd
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[15:48] <seb128> (seems like a listed gwibber/s-c twice :-/)
[15:48] <qengho> * Working on Cr grit/gettext translations pump. LP translations are embarassingly stale.
[15:48] <qengho> * After that, chromium snap, ozone-mir.
[15:48] <qengho> EOF
[15:49] <qengho> Hello?
[15:49] <seb128> qengho, hey
[15:49] <willcooke> thanks seb128 and qengho
[15:50] <seb128> somebody is lagging
[15:50] <willcooke> :D:D
[15:50] <seb128> unsure if it's me?
[15:50] <willcooke> I think it's qengho
[15:50] <seb128> k
[15:50] <willcooke> #topic Sweet5hark1
[15:50] <Sweet5hark1> hi
[15:50] <Sweet5hark1> - upstreamed libreoffice-style-elementary finally with some 'git filter-branch --tree-filter'-foo
[15:50] <Sweet5hark1> - got libreoffice bumped to 5.0.2 in archive
[15:50] <Sweet5hark1> - tweaked away libreoffice-templates ftbfs
[15:50] <Sweet5hark1> - some libroffice docviewer consultancy: tea leaf/stack trace reading
[15:50] <Sweet5hark1> - some launchpad bug grinding
[15:50] <Sweet5hark1> - some trivial/low-risk libreoffice packaging tweaks for wily still
[15:50] <Sweet5hark1> - preempting seb128: not pinged the Ubuntu DMB yet
[15:50] <Sweet5hark1> - some LibreOffice events orga
[15:50] <Sweet5hark1> EOF
[15:50] <seb128> lol
[15:51] <willcooke> thanks Sweet5hark1
[15:51] <willcooke> oh, news in from dgadomski
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[15:51] <willcooke> I have backported a couple of Debian changes to ifupdown to fix bug #1337873. My tests were successful, will share a fix from my ppa to gather more feedback, will prepare a SRU.
[15:51] <ubot5`> bug 1337873 in ifupdown (Ubuntu) "Precise, Trusty, Utopic - ifupdown initialization problems caused by race condition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1337873
[15:51] <willcooke> He's having connection problems too
[15:51] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:53] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[15:53] <Trevinho> · Completely new unity gnome key grabber refactor
[15:53] <Trevinho> · Test failures fixes
[15:53] <Trevinho> · Fixed (not small) memory leak + bug in indicator-appmenu happened when pressing Alt to present menus.
[15:53] <Trevinho> · Cleanup code for ShowMenu in unity (remove useless dbus signals)
[15:53] <Trevinho> · New compiz, unity, libunity, indicator-appmenu landing
[15:53] <Trevinho> · Fix wrong scaling of not squared icons (i.e. d-feet) in dash when using HiDPI
[15:53] <Trevinho> · New round of Autopilot tests fixes
[15:53] <Trevinho> · Fixed small memory leak in unity panel service when dropdown menu is used
[15:53] <Trevinho> 
[15:54] <willcooke> :) thanks Trevinho
[15:54] <tkamppeter> Hi
[15:54] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[15:54] <tkamppeter> - Ubuntu Touch: First test of printing stack on the Nexus 4, installed level 1 printing stack, after small fix it discovers print queues from remote CUPS servers, but still does not print due to some system/network issues.
[15:54] <tkamppeter> - system-config-printer: Removed annoying console output, a sense-less option, and fixed printer maintenance command problem.
[15:54] <tkamppeter> - cups: Fixed a bug which made system-config-printer's properties dialog and Chromium's print dialog hanging.
[15:54] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[15:54] <qengho> yay!
[15:54] <willcooke> #topic any other business
[15:54] <willcooke> Sprint next week!
[15:55] <willcooke> debrief from Budapest is ongoing, should have more to tell you all about next week
[15:55] <tkamppeter> qengho, why "yay"? Because of my phone tests or because I fixed the bug which made the Chromium print dialog hang?
[15:56] <willcooke> We will probably have a HO on air from the sprint with mhall119 and community folk.  Not sure what form that will take yet, probably me in a meeting room, but if anyone wants to get involved please do
[15:56] <qengho> Yay, it's not a problem with Chromium's sandbox that I'd have to fix.
[15:56] <desrt> willcooke: any last minute sprint items of interest?
[15:56] <seb128> there are enough items on the list for 3 sprints ;-)
[15:57] <desrt> i meant logistics :)
[15:57] <andyrock> :D
[15:57] <willcooke> desrt, not yet, but it's only Tuesday
[15:57] <qengho> I feel guilty wanting to add another item.
[15:57]  * andyrock is wondering if I London is cold now
[15:57] <willcooke> qengho, please add away
[15:57]  * andyrock is too lazy to google it
[15:57]  * Trevinho too :P
[15:57] <willcooke> and then job #1 will be work out who can cover what and parallel what we can, drop what we dont need etc
[15:58] <willcooke> andyrock, right now it's fine, 18 degrees
[15:58] <Trevinho> it's 24 here... mh
[15:58]  * Trevinho brings down jacket...
[15:58] <willcooke> Trevinho, dude, it's shorts weather
[15:59] <Trevinho> eheh, yeah, just jocking :)
[15:59] <willcooke> :D:D
[15:59] <andyrock> it'8 here
[15:59] <andyrock> so 18 is fine :D
[15:59] <willcooke> ha!
[16:00] <willcooke> any more business?
[16:00] <didrocks> nope!
[16:00] <willcooke> thanks everyone
[16:00] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct  6 16:00:37 2015 UTC.
[16:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2015/ubuntu-desktop.2015-10-06-15.30.moin.txt
[16:00] <didrocks> thanks!
[16:00] <didrocks> and have a good evening :)
[16:01] <seb128> thanks
[16:01] <Laney> desrt: I have to get you as my colleague to comment on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755795 please
[16:01] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 755795 in gio "2.46 considers empty files as octet-stream rather than text (leads to gedit not opening those)" [Normal,Reopened]
[16:01] <Laney> ... :-)
[16:03] <Laney> Just close it if you don't like the argument, I can't be bothered to push it too much
[16:04] <Laney> libreoffice-wiki-publisher?!?!?!
[16:07] <attente> seb128: what was the error you got?
[16:07] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: we (Ubuntu and Debian) want to kill it with fire as it relies on apache httpcommons crap that is obsolete and unsupported. Dont want that in a LTS.
[16:08] <seb128> attente, oh, let me try again
[16:08] <attente> i know it failed c-i but i think it's because i-k trunk isn't targetted to wily or somthing
[16:09] <Sweet5hark1> Laney: however checking ppa stats and debian popcorn shows people actually install that. the reasons for that elude my mind. If we kill it and people really want it, there is hope for a reimplementation. Unless that is actively sabotaged, it cant be worse that what is there today ...
[16:11] <Sweet5hark1> .oO(go away libreoffice-wiki-publisher, or you will be replaced with a small patch to libcmis)
[16:14] <seb128> attente, (./indicator-keyboard-tests:17755): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_variant_get_type: assertion 'value != NULL' failed
[16:14] <attente> seb128: which test did it fail with?
[16:15] <seb128> FAIL: indicator-keyboard-test
[16:15] <attente> libglib2.0-0 version?
[16:17] <seb128> wily
[16:17] <attente> 2.46.0-2?
[16:17] <seb128> 2.46.0-2
[16:17] <seb128> yes
[16:17] <seb128> doing "bzr bd" works for you?
[16:17] <attente> yes
[16:17] <seb128> :-(
[16:17] <attente> "bzr bd -- -us -uc -j4"
[16:18] <seb128> ok, maybe just a local issue
[16:18] <seb128> we can try to land your changes and see how it goes
[16:18] <Laney> want a third opinion?
[16:18] <seb128> Laney, yes please
[16:18] <attente> it won't land for some reason
[16:18] <Laney> branch plz
[16:18] <attente> https://code.launchpad.net/~attente/indicator-keyboard/manually-set-xdg-runtime-dir/+merge/273451
[16:23] <Laney> works in sbuild
[16:24] <attente> :D
[16:24] <Laney> ibus criticals though :-o
[16:24] <attente> D:
[16:24] <Laney> (indicator-keyboard-service:27527): IBUS-CRITICAL **: ibus_bus_call_sync: assertion 'ibus_bus_is_connected (bus)' failed
[16:25] <seb128> $ ./indicator-keyboard-tests
[16:25] <seb128> is that supposed to work?
[16:25] <attente> i didn't get a critical
[16:25] <attente> seb128: just ./indicator-keyboard-test
[16:25] <attente> no s
[16:25] <seb128> (./indicator-keyboard-tests:19506): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_variant_get_type: assertion 'value != NULL' failed
[16:25] <attente> that should be all make check is running
[16:25] <attente> what's the full log?
[16:26] <seb128> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12697850/
[16:27] <attente> signal 5?
[16:27] <attente> Trace/Breakpoint Trap?
[16:27] <seb128> it's an assert
[16:27] <seb128> so it hits abort
[16:28] <attente> oh. right... ha
[16:30] <attente> seb128: does running indicator-keyboard-service in the source tree work after debian/rules build -j4?
[16:31] <seb128> I guess so, but it returns directly
[16:31] <seb128> no error/segfault/abort though
[16:31] <seb128> oh, that's because I've the user session one
[16:32] <seb128> works if I stop it
[16:32] <seb128> but the test is still grumpy
[16:32] <Laney> make check from the top level?
[16:33] <attente> why would the user session one affect it?
[16:33] <seb128> oh, no if I export all the env from that script
[16:34] <attente> oh
[16:34] <attente> so it doesn't critical when running the one in tree directly?
[16:34] <seb128> no
[16:35] <seb128> lol
[16:35] <seb128> that bug is nice
[16:35] <seb128> it aborts because the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is more than 108 chars
[16:36] <seb128> works fine if I build in /tmp/indicator
[16:36] <attente> omg
[16:36] <attente> hahaha
[16:36] <seb128> not in ~/build/distro/ubuntu/indicator/testbuild
[16:36] <seb128> your wrapper does set XDG_RUNTIME_DIR in the builddir
[16:39] <attente> why is there a character limit on it?
[16:39] <seb128> good question
[16:39] <seb128> can you reproduce this way?
[16:39] <attente> i'll give it a shot
[16:39] <seb128> don't bother much, it's minor
[16:39] <seb128> going to approve/land your fix
[16:39] <seb128> if Laney isn't already on it?
[16:39] <Laney> no
[16:39] <seb128> k
[16:42] <attente> yeah. it failed
[16:51] <attente> it's because it's checking the wayland gdk backend first...
[16:51] <attente> maybe we should force the backend to X11
[16:58] <willcooke> dinner time.  g'night all
[17:01] <Laney> byesie bye
[17:02] <seb128> good evening!
[17:40] <andyrock> eod
[17:40] <andyrock> good evening!
[17:46] <ayan>  /names
[17:52] <Trevinho> bye
[19:25] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, what were the issues with https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next/+build/8092795 ? (Apparently it failed a couple of times)
[19:41] <robert_ancell> hi all
[20:07] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, one random ppa builder thing, and one reoccurring failure due some internal dependency race
[20:07] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, aha, I know which one you mean
[20:07] <chrisccoulson> That's a pain
[20:07] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, btw I am a bit puzzled that you don't push wily builds for nightly/aurora
[20:08] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, the nspr, nss, ... race
[20:08] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, I just haven't got round to enabling them. And I'm still not running wily
[20:08] <chrisccoulson> I should probably upgrade really
[20:09] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, I see just push them regardless imo, tweak the precise packaging ;)
[20:10] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hehe, sounds about time for a developer ;)
[21:12] <TheMuso> Morning all.
[22:04] <attente> night!