[00:19] <aeden__d> tried ZNC once again. I think I'm just going to keep things simple
[11:14] <average_guy> ok, Unit193 I set up some SASL today, I know I've done it before several times.  I will speak up if I hit any bumps
[11:14] <average_guy> security is kinda lost on me though, I am far more of a danger to my system then anyone else :P
[11:59] <average_guy> ok, generating the cert/key is done.  My problem is that the client is on a different machine
[12:01] <average_guy> I tried simply moving them across the network but I can't load em, quassel crashes
[12:28] <aedend> Finally got znc working properly!
[12:29] <aedend> On my iPhone atm and everything works as advertised
[12:33] <average_guy> think I've got it now
[12:53] <cyberanger> an iPhone working as advertised......Is today April Fools
[12:53] <cyberanger> ?
[12:54] <cyberanger> I admit that was a horrible joke, but I shamefully stand by it
[12:55] <average_guy> I was just reading about Apple's deplorable security.  I guess I didn't realize it was a problem for tham
[12:58] <cyberanger> Physical security is measured by the size of your padlock, but forget the security cameras and lights and razor wire on top of the fence, and somebody'll climb over instead
[12:58] <cyberanger> and if you do all that, they still might be brazen enough to drive a truck through it instead
[12:58] <average_guy> yeah, or dig a tunnel
[12:58] <cyberanger> Every other kind of security is the same way, threat mitigation
[12:59] <cyberanger> Make it so hard, the storage units across the street look easier to break into
[13:00] <aedend> I might have spoken too soon. Seems it's not displaying the buffer after I disconnect and reconnect
[13:00] <cyberanger> aedend: that could just be a settings issue though
[13:00] <average_guy> you WERE here aedend, idle
[13:01] <cyberanger> I worked for a VoIP company when I was interviewed for my InfoSec job, I was asked something like, name asecurity issue you dealt with at VoIP company
[13:01] <aedend> Well, it does keep the buffer, but only from the last connection. The other channels show everything from this morning though
[13:02] <cyberanger> I told them we had a fairly large client who either shared or leaked their credentials or set them way too easily
[13:03] <cyberanger> The follow up question was "How did you fix it?" and my reply was priceless (and sadly true) I said client wanted us to block all non-us IP's from their PBX
[13:03] <aedend> I.e I don't see in the buffer where I posted it working on my iPhone
[13:04] <cyberanger> I said it nervously and emphasised that It wasn't my decision, just following my orders, Everyone laughed and could tell from other parts of the conversation that I understood things
[13:04] <cyberanger> point is, security is always a joke, it's just finding the biggest joker first
[13:05] <cyberanger> aedend: what version is your znc software?
[13:05] <aedend> The loudest one in the room is usually the weakest one in the room... Security :)
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[13:05] <average_guy> so rather than fix the security, try to block everyone that might test it eh?
[13:05] <cyberanger> aedend: lol, yeah
[13:05] <aedend> cyberanger: I built from source latest from znc.in
[13:06] <cyberanger> average_guy: consider how many bad US IP's there are, and yeah, bad joke
[13:06] <cyberanger> that was the idea
[13:06] <cyberanger> aedend: ah, hrm...
[13:06] <cyberanger> wonder if the debian build has some defaults the source lacks
[13:07] <cyberanger> It nearly made their system unstable due to the size of the rule list
[13:08] <cyberanger> netfilter (the kernel part of iptables) nearly dragged the rest of the kernel into a panic
[13:08] <cyberanger> Ubik: might remember bits of that ^^^
[13:09] <aedend> cyberanger: I built from source because znc info said some of the dependencies in in unbuntu build might be deprecated
[13:10] <aedend> It works on my computer at home. Disconnected last night and everything showed up this morning
[13:10] <aedend> I think there is a setting that clears the buffer after it's been loaded the first time.
[13:16] <aedend> cyberanger: in regards to your iPhone comment... It works great and I would never go back to android :)
[13:18] <aedend> average_guy: i _would_ read about androids deplorable security, but I don't have a year of non stop reading to dedicate to that :D
[13:25] <average_guy> I read android is the most secure atm actually aedend
[13:25] <average_guy> https://plus.google.com/+ScottWilsonLovesYou/posts/4o7X71zrMZY
[13:25] <average_guy> I take it all with a grain of salt though
[13:27] <average_guy> I am biased against Apple mostly because my folks worked for IBM so I've always has computers but they were never Apples
[13:29] <wrst> aedend: iPhones do work well, I just get bored with them after a while
[13:41] <cyberanger> iPhone is probally easier to do an audit on, less models and such
[13:41] <cyberanger> but I'm sure Android gets more code review
[13:42] <cyberanger> and then even with that, look at how long heartbleed existed prior to discovery
[13:45] <wrst> just from a user view I think it really depends on personality type, I can fit either mold
[13:45] <wrst> I like customization and I also like a really good solid factory setup
[14:02] <aedend> I've used both and I still have my old android. There's pros and cons to both, things I like with one vs the other.
[14:04] <wrst> aedend: modern android, I think is just as easy to use and as stable really that is if you are using stock
[14:04] <aedend> The iPhone for me fits, I like customizing and exploring but I can get caught up in it. With the iPhone I don't mind being limited, it keeps me from being distracted ;)
[14:04] <wrst> throw touchwiz and all of that on top and then you have a mess
[14:05] <wrst> I really don't customize stock, I'm using a galaxy s5 now and I have had to customize it to get it to be like stock
[14:06] <aedend> To be honest, I've considered buying a flip phone. All I really need is a way to talk and text. And I don't text often anyway
[14:12] <wrst> I didn't reallized just how locked the bootloader is on this S5 or I would not have bought it, I had intention of putting an AOSP ROM on it
[14:13] <cyberanger> wrst: is it? the s6 wasn't so bad
[14:13] <cyberanger> but the Nexus 6 was simple
[14:13] <wrst> cyberanger: its the AT&T model
[14:14] <wrst> I thought about the Nexus 6 but I just don't want something that large
[14:16] <wrst> or at least I haven't seen anything on XDA, I'm running a rooted touchwiz ROM and having to bypass the bootloader to flash, works well, but is a mess
[15:19] <netritious> good morning
[15:36] <wrst> good morning netritious
[15:36] <wrst> cyberanger: I was looking at the Nexus 5x also but no qi charging kinda ticks me off
[15:39] <cyberanger> Yeah, I'm not really impressed with the current releases at the moment
[15:40] <cyberanger> but I'm thinking of giving Project Fi another try, and that Might mean the Nexus 5x down the road
[15:47] <netritious> howdy wrst, cyberanger
[15:47] <wrst> how are you doing netritious
[15:47] <wrst> and I know wireless charging seems pretty insignificant but I really like it
[15:48] <wrst> so someone will eventually unlock the bootloader on this S5 I'm using and I have a wireless receiver stuck in it already
[15:48] <cyberanger> Hey netritious
[15:51] <netritious> not to shabby wrst. started new job as an admin/dev.
[15:58] <netritious> oh wow, Happy Birthday song is now public domain
[16:01] <netritious> https://goo.gl/IoJ8FH
[16:03] <cyberanger> What took so long, oh yeah, our copyright law stinks
[16:03] <netritious> yup
[16:05] <netritious> my wife just texted "if Trump is elected we are moving to Canada"
[16:06] <cyberanger> I've said the same for carly fiorina
[16:06] <cyberanger> Granted, I don't like any option, all lemons
[16:08] <netritious> yeah, read an article recently citing a study that concluded 'merica is an oligarchy now.
[16:08] <netritious> 80% of legislation passed is in direct conflict with what the people want
[16:09] <netritious> something like that...will have to find the source
[16:14] <cyberanger> I'd bet it was that way under Regan, meaning, my whole life
[16:29] <netritious> so who has tried windows 10? lol
[16:38] <average_guy> It really is an oligarchy, partys have become an illusion.  Obama comes off as a champion of the people with obamacare but insurance are the real winners
[16:39] <average_guy> I'm on Window 10 now
[16:40] <average_guy> *insurance companies
[16:43] <average_guy> I really like Windows 10 also I like microsoft's handling of user accounts.  I can give my 8yr old a Microsoft account and it sees her as an 8yr old and adjusts her content accordingly.  Google has nothing like this.
[18:18] <aedend> Obama will most likely run for a third term...
[18:19] <wrst> netritious: congrats on the new job!
[18:26] <aedend> Are the public logs for channels in freenode updated in real time?
[18:44] <netritious> wrst: thanks!
[18:44] <netritious> average_guy: so do you have any complaints about windows 10? seems all I ever read online about it...
[18:44] <netritious> aedend: I have no idea
[18:59] <average_guy> No netritious, I have been loving it.  It ran a bit slow at first but subsequent updates have fixed that.  I am actually looking forward to a windows10 phone
[19:01] <average_guy> convergence is the big thing for everyone,  and I don't care for Ubuntu's vision
[19:03] <netritious> average_guy: i'd like to see it all converge...windows, linux, unix, et al
[19:07] <netritious> currently I am moving all my systems to ubuntu and running workstation/esxi for a few apps I need that only run on windows.
[19:11] <average_guy> Elder Scrolls Online make me go back to Windows. I didn't intend to switch everything over, but I really am liking it.  I still have an Ubuntu server to get my nerd fix on.
[19:13] <netritious> see, that is something I've been struggling with...
[19:14] <netritious> UT4 is coming out, and despite everyone telling me previous versions of UT run great on linux, I've never had such luck heh
[19:15] <netritious> tbh I'm thinking I might be getting to old for gaming anyways, but daughter just turned 13 and has been dying to play UT since she was 5 lol
[19:16] <netritious> full disclosure: haven't gamed in almost three years
[19:19] <average_guy> I don't think I will ever stop gaming, I'm almost 40
[19:28] <netritious> i'm still a gamer at heart, but only one series I'm still fond of -- UT
[19:30] <netritious> at one point in time I couldn't find my UT2004 cd key and played UT2004 demo for idk 2-3 years lol
[22:27] <aedend> netritious, average_guy I haven't gamed in some time. Just recently I got back into it. I'm also pushing the age of (I should be doing something more productive) lol
[22:30] <aedend> I have a 14 yo daughter who loves zelda. We have all the games from nes to gamecube. I bought a wiiU jsut so we would have the latest release. If it ever arrives...
[22:31] <aedend> When she was 10 I downloaded the original Zelda so she could see what I was playing at her age. She thought that was pretty neat
[23:13] <average_guy> I still like the first one aedend, in fact, now I gotta go find an emulator...
[23:14] <average_guy> my lil one is super into minecraft
[23:28] <aedend> average_guy, I cheated a little bit. We have a an original wii so I downloaded all the games
[23:29] <aedend> I was late to work the fist time I started playing. I stayed up playing Zelda II late into the night
[23:31] <aedend> not many people liked that one, but it was my favorite until Twilight Princess came on gamecube
[23:37] <average_guy> I liked pt2, yer right though, is was not a big hit