[01:57] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, are you doing the gnome-orca 3.16.3 update?
[02:36] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Oh we can do those this late in the cycle?
[02:36] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: I can.
[02:37] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, yeah, if it's just stable fixes. It compiled fine here just wasn't sure how to check if anything broken
[02:37] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Ok go ahead with the upload then if you have done changelog etc.
[02:37] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, ok
[02:37] <TheMuso> I can do it if you aren't that far along.
[02:38] <TheMuso> ah ok cool.
[03:54] <robert_ancell> bye all
[04:51] <hikiko> hello
[05:10] <didrocks> good morning
[05:10] <TheMuso> Hey hikiko, didrocks.
[05:10] <didrocks> hey TheMuso!
[05:11] <hikiko> hey TheMuso didrocks ]
[05:12] <didrocks> hey hikiko
[05:17] <pitti> Good morning
[05:18] <didrocks> hey pitti
[05:21] <pitti> ça va didrocks ?
[05:21] <didrocks> pitti: ça va, et toi ?
[05:22] <pitti> didrocks: still trouble with my stomach, but I at least could sleep a little longer today; hope it'll get better now :)
[05:23] <didrocks> pitti: I hope your stomach will fix itself sooner rather than later :/
[05:23] <TheMuso> Hey pitti. Stomach upsets suck, hope you get better soon.
[05:24] <pitti> I hardly ever get that, but I guess it's mostly harmless
[05:24] <pitti> thanks!
[05:25] <TheMuso> Of all the illnesses I've ever had, I think ones relating to the stomach have been my least favourite.
[05:38]  * TheMuso -> EOD.
[05:41] <didrocks> see you TheMuso!
[06:27] <larsu> bonjour!
[06:27]  * larsu will need to have a word with wollcooke today - sun is gone
[06:28] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:28] <didrocks> hey larsu, seb128
[06:28] <pitti> bonjour seb128 et larsu ! comment allez-vous ?
[06:29] <seb128> hey didrocks larsu pitti
[06:29] <seb128> pitti, ça va bien ! et toi ?
[06:29] <larsu> hi didrocks and pitti and seb128!
[06:30] <pitti> seb128: médiocre encore, je vais voir un docteur aujourd'hui; peut-être ubuflu pour l'estomac :)
[06:33] <seb128> pitti, retape toi bien !
[06:34] <pitti> seb128: merci !
[07:00] <hikiko> fiiixed :D
[07:00] <hikiko> 3d windows on shaders :D
[07:00] <hikiko> but I need help from mir guys to test in actual gles
[07:31] <hikiko> did anyone ever run gles2 compiz on desktop?
[07:32]  * hikiko needs some help to test an algorithm
[07:33] <seb128> I don't
[07:37] <Sweet5hark> moin
[07:39] <larsu> hi Sweet5hark! wie geht's?
[07:39] <didrocks> morning Sweet5hark!
[07:41]  * larsu hits gtk-doc with a stick
[07:41] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[07:42] <Sweet5hark> larsu, didrocks, seb128: hey guys
[07:57] <willcooke> morning all
[07:58]  * willcooke can't find anything good for team dinner
[07:58] <willcooke> where good = food style & location & price
[07:59] <didrocks> hey willcooke
[07:59] <didrocks> can't we go where we headed last time?
[07:59]  * didrocks was quite happy about that place
[07:59] <willcooke> I thought about that as well, but:
[07:59] <willcooke> the service was poor, and we had to leave after 2 hours
[08:00] <willcooke> if you guys are all ok with that, then I am happy to try and book it
[08:00] <willcooke> I thought the food was great there
[08:00]  * didrocks doesn't mind, but let's see what others say
[08:03] <larsu> morning willcooke
[08:03] <larsu> give me back my sun!
[08:03] <willcooke> hey larsu
[08:03] <willcooke> I dont have it
[08:03] <willcooke> :(
[08:03] <larsu> I let you have it for ONE day, and you lost it?!  ;)
[08:03] <willcooke> I left it *right* here yesterday
[08:03] <willcooke> someone must have taken it
[08:04] <Laney> hai
[08:04] <didrocks> hey Laney
[08:04] <larsu> Laney: perfect timing. Morning :)
[08:04] <willcooke> There's our culprit
[08:04] <Laney> AH
[08:04] <Laney> FOOD CHAT
[08:04] <larsu> I vote for somewhere else
[08:04] <larsu> variety and all
[08:05] <Laney> if we can find somewhere yeah
[08:05] <Laney> it's london, no need to go to the same place twice!
[08:05] <larsu> indeed
[08:05] <Laney> (imho)
[08:07] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney
[08:07] <willcooke> hey seb128
[08:08] <Laney> hiya!
[08:08] <Laney> what's up?
[08:12] <pitti> hey Laney!
[08:14] <Laney> hi pitti!
[08:14] <Laney> how are you?
[08:18] <pitti> Laney: better today, thanks
[08:18] <Laney> oh, I didn't realise you weren't good :(
[08:19] <pitti> Laney: some stomach trouble, I'll see a doctor today (maybe something wrong with Budapest's tap water, or what not -- I don't know)
[08:20]  * Laney sends some good rays pitti's way
[08:20] <Laney> hope there's a quick solution for you
[08:21] <larsu> so you *do* have the sun
[08:21] <Laney> ...gamma rays?
[08:21] <pitti> well, in a way they are :)
[08:22] <larsu> pitti: all the best!
[08:22] <pitti> larsu: danke!
[08:24] <seb128> pitti, do you plan a new apport upload this week?
[08:24] <seb128> we could do with getting those errors out of e.u.c ;-)
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: oh, sure!
[08:25] <seb128> pitti, if you do also please review https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu/wily/apport/str_no_decoding/+merge/273076
[08:25] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:25] <Laney> pitti: https://udd.debian.org/~laney/less.txt <- updated, looks like -uz is a real candidate for removal
[08:26] <Laney> anyone spot something the three remaining packages have in common? :)
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: that's not completely right yet -- if you don't decode you must use if b'something' in ...
[08:26] <seb128> Laney, why so much hate for chrisccoulson? ;-)
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: as it might still be a str or bytes (if there's some garbage in the log)
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: but that's easy enough, I'll fix it up on merge
[08:27] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:27] <chrisccoulson> what have I done?
[08:27] <seb128> Laney, or in fact we are supposed to handle the devel serie, so one for qengho?
[08:27] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey!
[08:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:28] <pitti> chrisccoulson: error number #1: you left your bed? :-)
[08:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128, I'm not too bad thanks. How are you?
[08:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, seems like firefox/tb/oxide are oudated in wily compared to other series
[08:28] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, that's because people keep doing random uploads without proposing the changes to the bzr branches
[08:28] <chrisccoulson> pitti, I'm not bad thanks. And you?
[08:29] <seb128> doookooooo
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> heh
[08:29] <pitti> chrisccoulson: okayish, glad to be back from the sprint
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: "iz gcc bug!" ?
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> oh, where was your sprint?
[08:29] <pitti> chrisccoulson: in Budapest
[08:29] <chrisccoulson> ah, nice
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, no, is uploading without sending back changes to the packaging vcs
[08:29] <pitti> not that it matters much, it could've been anywhere :)
[08:29] <seb128> (wha chrisccoulson was mentioning)
[08:31] <chrisccoulson> This was the change - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/219814387/firefox_41.0%2Bbuild3-0ubuntu1_41.0%2Bbuild3-0ubuntu2.diff.gz. I'm not convinced that should be fixed in Firefox tbh, and I really object to carrying powerpc-specific patches (especially when there's no upstream bug reference. They become just another patch I have to permanently maintain)
[08:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, just drop it and if somebody complains you can tell them to properly do things next time ;-)
[08:32] <Laney> best to merge the changelog and say that's what you are doing, and probably talk to the original uploader.
[08:32] <chrisccoulson> seb128, I did, although without realizing it ;)
[08:32] <Laney> otherwise it looks like you missed the upload and accidentally dropped it
[08:32] <seb128> haha
[08:32] <seb128> seems he did
[08:32] <Laney> :)
[08:32] <seb128> :-)
[08:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how far away from London are you now?
[08:33] <davmor2> seb128: 120miles ish
[08:34] <seb128> k, not in easy reach to drop by one evening for a beer
[08:34] <seb128> shame
[08:34] <seb128> hey davmor2
[08:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128, davmor2, I think it's a bit less than that now. I moved house
[08:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I know you moved, that's why  I was asking ;-)
[08:34] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: ah fair enough I was going by the solihull address
[08:35] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: where did you move to?
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128, it's about ~100 miles
[08:36] <chrisccoulson> davmor2, I moved to bourne in lincolnshire. Near to my mum :)
[08:37] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: less convenient for trains and airport but much nicer views I imagine :)
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> davmor2, yeah, there's certainly a lot less around here. But I'm right on the far south-east corner of town. There's trees opposite my house, and beyond that it's just fields for miles
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> The views are fairly boring though - the fens are a bit flat
[08:39] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: not as boring as the house opposite though right :)
[08:40] <chrisccoulson> davmor2, it has one advantage - houses are much cheaper than solihull :)
[08:41] <Laney> went through stamford on the train at the weekend
[08:41] <Laney> seems pleasant
[08:41] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: I think the only place more expensive is London isn't it as areas go
[08:41] <pitti> seb128: oh, I see add_installation_log, that already does decode('UTF-8', 'replace') -- so that's fine
[08:41] <seb128> pitti, right
[08:42] <chrisccoulson> Laney, yeah, I'm not far from stamford
[08:42] <Laney> yeah that's why I mentioned it :P
[08:46] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: more import is how is the broadband?
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> davmor2, it's ok - I'm about 200m from the cabinet, which they upgraded with fibre a week or so before I moved in.
[08:47] <chrisccoulson> So I get pretty much ~80Mbps
[08:48] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: ah so not too bad then
[08:49] <chrisccoulson> We're quite lucky here - we've benefited from government funding for the fibre rollout, and the rollout plans are all public (through http://onlincolnshire.org/) so I had an idea when our cabinet was going to be upgraded before I moved
[08:53] <Laney> pitti: did you see the comment about the uz langpacks?
[08:54] <pitti> Laney: no, I didn't; sorry, missed it
[08:55] <Laney> pitti: ok, well - they are the only leftover one :)
[08:55] <pitti>   uz    11076 (4%) discarded
[08:55] <pitti> Laney: yes, sounds plausible
[08:55] <pitti> Laney: removing, thanks for tracking this!
[08:56] <pitti> Laney: why does this duplicate everything?
[08:56] <Laney> pitti: WDYM?
[08:56] <pitti> Laney: https://udd.debian.org/~laney/less.txt has two lines for every langpack
[08:56] <pitti> not that it matters that much, but I figure this is an ongoing check
[08:57] <pitti> Laney: removed
[08:57] <Laney> it's just an SQL query, so probably it has two rows on the vivid side
[08:57] <Laney> i.e. in updates and proposed
[08:57] <Laney> thanks!
[08:59] <seb128> larsu, would you fancy looking to a theme issue? in software-center, the install bars in the "in progress" section are orange with a grey rectangle in the middle
[08:59] <seb128> (also spinner are weirdly centered but that's  probably a bug in s-c)
[09:04] <andyrock> morning guys
[09:05] <willcooke> hey andyrock
[09:15] <seb128> hey andyrock
[09:15] <larsu> seb128: Trevinho is on the theme now
[09:15]  * larsu at least tries
[09:15] <seb128> lol
[09:15] <seb128> is it taking?
[09:16] <larsu> taking?
[09:16] <seb128> is it taking off?
[09:16] <seb128> trying to make Trevinho owning the theme
[09:16] <larsu> yes!
[09:17] <larsu> I just need to convince enough people while he's still sleeping
[09:17] <seb128> :-)
[09:17] <larsu> he doesn't see old pings anyway :P
[09:18] <seb128> it's troll Trevinho day!
[09:18] <seb128> that's what you get for working at night and sleeping while others troll ;-)
[09:18] <andyrock> ahahahha
[09:18] <larsu> probably he's trolling us while we're asleep as well
[09:18] <andyrock> I forgot to sleep today :D
[09:19] <seb128> don't do that too many days in a row
[09:19] <larsu> seb128: themining of that whole app is ... offf
[09:19] <larsu> buttons not linked, no frames around the "tab" buttons
[09:19] <seb128> larsu, :-(
[09:29] <larsu> seb128: that eog bug.... I *just* added the menu bar
[09:29] <larsu> and people already complain its missing stuff :)
[09:29] <larsu> *it's
[09:29] <seb128> yeah for users ;-)
[09:30] <larsu> anyway, this is not happening for W - it's waiting on some gtk work desrt and I want to do in London next week
[09:31] <seb128> k, I don't think it's important
[09:31] <seb128> feel free to unassign as well
[09:31] <larsu> I agree
[09:31] <larsu> primary purpose of this app is to look at images
[09:31] <seb128> if you want to keep your buglist a reflect of things you are working on
[09:31] <seb128> right
[09:31] <larsu> there's a million other ways to open it in another app
[09:31] <seb128> I don't even know why people need an open with in eog
[09:31] <larsu> (one of which is right-click)
[09:31] <seb128> they can do that from nautilus
[09:31] <larsu> yeah
[09:31] <larsu> or the app itself
[09:31] <seb128> wontfix?
[09:32] <larsu> we can have it easily next cycle
[09:32] <larsu> and I don't think it hurts
[09:32] <seb128> k
[09:32]  * larsu comments
[09:33] <seb128> bug #1479054 is a theme issue right?
[09:33] <ubot5`> bug 1479054 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Shuffle and repeat buttons pressed state does not visually differ from unpressed state" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479054
[09:34] <larsu> yes, likely
[09:34] <seb128> hum, yeah, same issue in nautilus with the list/icon mode buttons
[09:34] <seb128> and adwaita does it better
[09:35] <larsu> indeed, I've never liked our dark buttons
[09:35] <larsu> way too hard to see their states
[09:35] <seb128> oh, I'm using the light theme
[09:36] <seb128> but from your comment I guess the dark one has the same issue ;-)
[09:36] <larsu> oh. indeed :D
[09:36] <seb128> I sometime forget that I'm not using the default theme :p
[09:40] <larsu> also not the default language
[09:40] <seb128> that I can fix!
[09:41] <larsu> by changing the default language of Ubuntu, and not the one on your system, right?
[09:41] <seb128> indeed!
[09:41] <ogra_> seb128, nah, to late ... to fix it for future products you should have joined the snappy team to make sure it uses the right one from the start :P
[09:41] <larsu> not sure I'd find the terminal anymore if you do that
[09:41] <larsu> sorry can't work
[09:41] <larsu> don't know what this "Le Terminale" app is
[09:42] <seb128> keybinding is the same
[09:42] <seb128> and Trevinho fixed the keybinding handling
[09:42] <seb128> so you should be safe
[09:42]  * larsu doesn't use keybindings to start apps
[09:42] <seb128> you don't want to use code Trevinho wrote, right? ;-)
[09:42] <larsu> unless you count <Super>Term as a keybinding
[09:42] <larsu> seb128: I use it all the time for brightness/volume ;)
[09:43] <seb128> the poor Trevinho is going to wake up wondering why he got so many pings during the night
[09:43] <larsu> he'll only see the last one (if that)
[09:45] <seb128> well at least he's not doing the attente way
[09:45] <seb128> getting notifications on his phone for IRC pings
[09:45] <larsu> in the middle of the night
[09:45] <larsu> because timezone
[09:45] <seb128> yeah
[09:45] <larsu> I hope you didn't wake him up just now :D
[09:46] <seb128> ;-)
[09:46] <seb128> I need to learn to do it like Laney
[09:46] <seb128> add some well placed _
[09:46] <seb128> L_aney
[09:46] <Laney> L/-\ney
[09:47] <larsu> Cru$her
[09:47] <larsu> background of software center also seems off to me
[09:48] <larsu> "What's new" "Help (mate-user-guide)" — err, thanks!
[09:49] <seb128> well that's probably what's new in the archive (as package recently added)
[09:49] <seb128> but yeah, might not be the best to suggest
[09:49] <larsu> clearly
[10:11] <willcooke> stupid window focus
[10:38] <larsu> Laney: pretty sure upstream doesn't care about gtkcalendar
[10:39] <Laney> push it then!
[10:39] <larsu> I thought about that
[10:40] <larsu> but I want someone to review this
[10:40] <larsu> if I broke something existing, people will be mad
[10:40] <larsu> (for right reasons)
[10:40] <Laney> who, if nobody cares?
[10:41] <larsu> it's being used in a lot of places still
[10:41] <larsu> but noone cares about changing its behaviour
[10:41] <larsu> (that u was for u, Laney)
[10:43] <Laney> uUu
[10:43] <larsu> I'll try pinging someone after lunch
[10:44] <larsu> which is what I'm going to now :)
[10:44] <Laney> I believe in your ability to handle it
[10:44] <Laney> !!!
[10:44] <Laney> lunch well
[10:44] <larsu> :)
[10:44] <larsu> thanks
[11:37] <davmor2> willcooke: dell xps 13 on wily any idea what would stop the cursor resizing like it does on 14.04 with the dell install?
[11:38] <davmor2> willcooke: I have the icons scaled nicely but still a tiny cursor :)
[11:39] <willcooke> davmor2, xps13 is intel gfx right?
[11:39] <davmor2> willcooke: yeap
[11:40] <willcooke> I don't know how the cursor gets resized.. is it a compiz plug in perhaps?  hikiko any ideas?
[11:41] <seb128> I doubt it's compiz
[11:41] <willcooke> davmor2, how and where do you resize it on 14.04?
[11:41] <davmor2> willcooke: I have the scaling set to 2 as it was on the original install, so the icons are the same kinda size as on my 1080p system but the cursor is still tiny let me grab a screen shot
[11:42] <davmor2> willcooke: system settings → screen display the slider on the bottom
[11:42] <davmor2> willcooke: on the 4k xps for the install it was slid to 2.0 which is what I have done on wily
[11:45] <davmor2> hrmmm doesn't even show on screenshot that's not good
[11:45] <willcooke> no it wont
[11:46] <davmor2> willcooke: ubuntu phone to the rescue
[11:46] <popey> wat
[11:48] <willcooke> hrm, so it doesn't resize the cursor on my 14.04 machine, and I didn't think it would anyway
[11:48] <willcooke> so I'm surprised it does on yours
[11:48] <willcooke> seb128, have you seen the scaling of the mouse pointer?
[11:48] <davmor2> willcooke: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/xps-cursor-issue.jpg
[11:49] <willcooke> davmor2, that's pretty much what I was expecting to see.
[11:49] <willcooke> but it does work on 14.04 for you?
[11:49] <seb128> davmor2, willcooke, there is a cursor-size gsettings key and there is a bug which seems to make things not pick config changes
[11:49] <davmor2> willcooke: this is the xps default install so I assume that dell may of tinkered with it, let me reinstall it and I can take a screenshot there too
[11:49] <seb128> going to try a fix
[11:49] <Trevinho> willcooke: in theory the cursor should scale, but it doesn't unless you restart compiz...
[11:50] <Trevinho> willcooke: because we need to change something in order to make it to reload the mouse settings...
[11:50] <willcooke> ahh
[11:50] <seb128> Trevinho, do you write the cursor-size key?
[11:50] <Trevinho> I did
[11:51] <willcooke> davmor2, out of interest, did you log out and back in since you changed the setting?
[11:51] <davmor2> willcooke: yeap
[11:51] <willcooke> then it's broken
[11:51] <willcooke> :)
[11:51] <willcooke> davmor2, mind logging a bug with your screenshot?
[11:51] <davmor2> willcooke: it was working and now isn't not sure when it broke though
[11:51] <davmor2> willcooke: sure
[11:52] <willcooke> thanks
[11:52] <Trevinho> well actually the resizing is done by both unity that says to unity settings daemon to resize... But it doesn't resize the one is using by itself
[11:52] <seb128> davmor2, you can try to change gsetttings set org.gnome.desktop.interface cursor-size
[11:52] <davmor2> seb128: sure 1 second
[11:52] <Trevinho> that's what we change in unity
[11:52] <Laney> that was 1.0 for me
[11:52] <Laney> on scaling-factor 2
[11:53] <willcooke> I just got to pop to the shops, brb
[11:53] <seb128> Laney, what was 1.0?
[11:53] <seb128> com.canonical.Unity.Interface cursor-scale-factor
[11:53] <seb128> ?
[11:53] <Trevinho> weird
[11:53] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ why that key?
[11:53] <Laney> yes that key
[11:54] <Trevinho> seb128: cause we need to remember what was the scaling set, and leave to the user the ability to override it. As we managed the gnome one
[11:54] <davmor2> seb128: does that mean I'm trying to set the wrong setting?
[11:54] <seb128> davmor2, dunno
[11:55] <seb128> I don't understand why unity is duplicating keys
[11:55] <Trevinho> int cursor_size = std::round(default_cursor_size.GetInt32() * point_scaling * cursor_scale_);
[11:55] <seb128> Trevinho, what key should change for the config to be applied?
[11:55] <Trevinho> where...
[11:55] <Trevinho> unsigned integer_scaling = std::max<unsigned>(1, scale);
[11:55] <Trevinho>     double point_scaling = scale / static_cast<double>(integer_scaling);
[11:56] <Trevinho> seb128: we need to have a local setting in order to know what's the actual scaling requested by user, otherwise we can't figure out by just looking that the value set on gnome
[11:57] <Trevinho> It's all done here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12703678/
[12:00] <seb128> let's try https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=d4a833907f5ef0ef1e59b69faafb60293cc191d2 as well
[12:00] <Trevinho> seb128: so (I missed the request while writing) to change the config, you need to change the scaling factor from unity, or it will overwrite it...
[12:01] <davmor2> seb128: Is there a way to get a  list of all the keys?  If so I will install 14.04 and get the list there and then do a fresh 15.10 and then we will have a comparison to work from does that make sense?
[12:01]  * Trevinho looks
[12:02] <seb128> davmor2, gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.desktop.interface
[12:02] <Trevinho> seb128: oh, nice. yes I guess we need that
[12:02] <Trevinho> not sure it will fix things for compiz though, but still
[12:02] <Trevinho> I had this in my list of things to study
[12:03] <davmor2> seb128: and the same for com.canonical.Unity.Interface too I guess right?
[12:03] <seb128> yes
[12:03] <davmor2> seb128: right I'll hit it straight after lunch then the at least we can compare
[12:06] <desrt> good morning desktop!
[12:06] <didrocks> hey desrt!
[12:06] <didrocks> time for desert btw
[12:06] <desrt> good timing!
[12:06] <didrocks> exactly ;)
[12:07] <desrt> you'll be happy to know i'm pushing L9 :)
[12:07] <seb128> hey desrt
[12:07] <didrocks> ahah, crazy dude!
[12:07] <desrt> hi seb :)
[12:10]  * desrt has 2'120'670/2'400'000 and is nearing the gold badge requirement
[12:10] <desrt> didrocks: how far did you play this?
[12:10] <didrocks> desrt: not really, like a month in winter and not everyday, so not at your level for sure ;)
[12:11] <desrt> for me there are two interesting statistics in the game
[12:11] <desrt> sojourner: 22 days   (i've been playing for 22 days)
[12:11] <desrt> trekker: 175km
[12:11] <desrt> i like this :)
[12:11] <desrt> ~8km per day
[12:14] <didrocks> interesting, you have the number of kilometers counted
[12:14] <desrt> this is one of the badges
[12:15] <desrt> next level is gold at 300km
[12:15] <desrt> probably i'll hit this one next, or the glyph hacking badge
[12:15] <didrocks> desrt: the issue at the time was like there were like 15 portals at most in Lyon
[12:15] <desrt> ah
[12:15] <desrt> ya.  that's pretty crap
[12:15] <didrocks> so, you had to travel a lot :)
[12:15]  * didrocks submitted a lot of them
[12:15] <desrt> for me there are 15 portals within about 2 minutes walk :)
[12:16] <desrt> and probably about 1000 (no joke) within 15 minutes
[12:16] <didrocks> heh, I'm still sad about the number of duplication there is nowdays
[12:16] <desrt> very few dupes here.  in fact, i can't say that i've noticed a single one.
[12:16] <didrocks> duplicate*
[12:18] <desrt> playing in toronto is completely insane
[12:18] <desrt> nothing last more than a few hours :)
[12:19] <desrt> i have ~5-6 couchhacks depending on which particular random noise hits my GPS at any given time and i've been able to maintain this cluster for a couple of days now (with the help of kat and dave)
[12:19] <desrt> but other than that.... everything in downtown is really up for grabs at any time
[12:19] <desrt> looks like lyon got a lot more interesting, too :)
[12:20] <didrocks> yeah, so having too many portals made the game less interesting IMHO
[12:20] <didrocks> the fact that you own a place makes it better for defending
[12:20] <desrt> it's not too many portals that's the problem -- it's too many players
[12:20] <desrt> there are probably ~10-20 people who live/work in this area
[12:20] <desrt> who all think they ought to own it :)
[12:21] <desrt> it's also in a city block with 3 major transit lines of 3 out of the 4 sides :)
[12:21] <desrt> so you get a lot of drive-by zapping from people on trams and such
[12:21] <didrocks> heh, nice :)
[12:22] <desrt> oh look.  someone is currently taking out my stuff in allen gardens.
[12:22] <desrt> oh well :p
[12:23] <desrt> i deployed that stuff yesterday afternoon.  i'm surprised it lasted this long :)
[12:23]  * desrt grabs a coffee and a text editor instead
[13:24] <cyphermox> is it a known issue that notify-osd notifications in lightdm are completely black, unreadable?
[13:26] <Laney> yep
[13:37] <seb128> cyphermox, known yes, but I don't think anyone looked at that yet
[13:37] <cyphermox> is there a bug number?
[13:37] <seb128> though I suppose it's probably a new-gtk type of issue
[13:38] <seb128> cyphermox, bug #1473269
[13:38] <ubot5`> bug 1473269 in unity-greeter (Ubuntu) "Wily login screen shows an all black notification bubble" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1473269
[13:47] <willcooke> It only seems to be before log-in for me.  Once I log in they work ok.  Same for you cyphermox?
[13:47] <cyphermox> yep
[13:47] <willcooke> oh, yes, bug clearly says "at login screen"
[13:48] <seb128> willcooke, right, why I guess is "without a compositor"
[13:48] <davmor2> seb128: right grabbed the files do you want me to throw them into a bug against something if so what?
[13:48] <seb128> davmor2, well, if you have an issue you think is a bug report it against unity with the current behaviour/what you expect and the configs
[13:49] <davmor2> seb128: will do
[13:50] <willcooke> larsu, did you lose your vol up/down blips too?
[13:50] <seb128> he at least mentioned issues with those sound when remapping the keys
[13:51] <larsu> willcooke: no?!
[13:51] <larsu> *blip* *blip* *blip*
[13:52] <seb128> larsu, I though you mentioned a fun bug/code effect
[13:52] <larsu> ah seb128 is right - but it was my fault, I had sound effects turned off completely
[13:52] <seb128> like if you remap vol up/down the sound is still played with the multimedia keys even if they don't change it
[13:52] <seb128> oh, ok
[13:52] <seb128> well maybe willcooke has too?
[13:52] <didrocks> I have what seb128 said
[13:52] <willcooke> don't think so, this is on my test machine which is vanilla W
[13:52] <didrocks> says*
[13:53] <seb128> willcooke, maybe your sound effect are muted like larsu had?
[13:53] <didrocks> but even after a dconf reset
[13:53] <didrocks> on the remapping
[13:53] <didrocks> oh right, my sound effects are muted as well
[13:53]  * didrocks doesn't remember doing this
[13:53] <larsu> systems settings / sound / Sound effects
[13:54] <willcooke> wut
[13:54] <willcooke> same
[13:54] <seb128> there you go
[13:54] <didrocks> larsu: did you remember muting them?
[13:54] <didrocks> willcooke: same question ^
[13:54] <didrocks> I seriously don't
[13:54] <willcooke> no
[13:54] <willcooke> I'm going to re-install from the daily image and see if it's the same
[13:54] <larsu> I don't remember doing that either ...
[13:54] <larsu> maybe it's a default?!
[13:56] <willcooke> I'll reinstall and see what happes
[13:56] <willcooke> happens
[13:56] <larsu> desrt: do you have a second for this? https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756134
[13:57] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 756134 in gobject "Segmentation fault on calling g_simple_action_group_add_action with bad action constructor call" [Normal,Resolved: notabug]
[13:57] <larsu> I hate when small patches like this lie around forever
[13:59] <davmor2> willcooke, Trevinho, seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1503699
[13:59] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1503699 in Unity "HIDPI scaling not effecting cursor" [Undecided,New]
[13:59] <Trevinho> davmor2: I think we had one already
[14:00] <seb128> davmor2, thanks
[14:00] <davmor2> Trevinho: meh I added all the docs there but feel free to link it to another :)
[14:00] <Trevinho> davmor2: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1295445
[14:00] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1295445 in unity (Ubuntu) "Cursor size is not updated on HiDPI at intermediate UI scale levels" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:01] <Trevinho> well better https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1359211
[14:01] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1359211 in unity (Ubuntu) "Mouse cursor tiny when hovering unity elements in high DPI mode" [High,Confirmed]
[14:02] <davmor2> Trevinho: okay pick one bug and lets link them all to that one
[14:06] <willcooke> larsu, attente - could one of you add this to your list:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/1473269
[14:06] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1473269 in notify-osd (Ubuntu) "Wily login screen shows an all black notification bubble" [High,Confirmed]
[14:06] <willcooke> It needs to be fixed before release
[14:06] <seb128> it's a gtk 3.16 on non compositor issue
[14:06] <seb128> (ld preloading old gtk fixes it)
[14:06] <seb128> it does it under wmaker as well
[14:06] <seb128> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749637 seems to have hints
[14:06] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 749637 in Backend: X11 "No transparency in other window managers with compositor." [Normal,New]
[14:06] <attente> i can try bisecting it
[14:06] <larsu> woah I just had a weird deja vu
[14:06] <seb128> "think it's because rgba is not enabled when the window manager doesn't support _GTK_FRAME_EXTENTS. This happens since 3.16."
[14:06] <larsu> read the bug
[14:06] <larsu> then irc
[14:06] <larsu> seb said the exact same thing
[14:07] <seb128> lol
[14:07] <larsu> attente: I'm on it
[14:07] <willcooke> thanks larsu
[14:07] <larsu> seb128: ya I guess this is it
[14:07] <larsu> seb128: I wanted to remove that for a long time, but am still blocked by Trevinho
[14:07] <larsu> ah wait, that can't be it
[14:08] <larsu> we also don't have frame extents in compiz/unity
[14:08] <seb128> well it's not csd windows in any case since it's notify-osd bubbles
[14:08] <larsu> right, and not gtkwindow
[14:09] <larsu> seb128: but we have compositing in the greeter, no?
[14:09] <seb128> I don't think so
[14:09] <seb128> we don' thave a wm there
[14:10] <larsu> but transparency used to work, no?
[14:10] <seb128> it did
[14:10] <seb128> it worked under wmaker as well
[14:10] <seb128> and still does it if you ldpreload old libgtk
[14:10] <larsu> what's old for you?
[14:10] <larsu> 3.14?
[14:10] <seb128> I guess it could be attente's bisect of the week :p
[14:11] <seb128> I tried 3.12 because I had an old copy handy on disk
[14:11] <larsu> weird
[14:11] <seb128> I could try 3.14 if that's useful
[14:11] <attente> lol, sure
[14:12] <Laney> 07/10 15:06:49 <attente> i can try bisecting it
[14:12] <Laney> HAHA
[14:15] <willcooke> feels like we should have a special section in the weekly news for "Attente's bisect of the week"
[14:15] <didrocks> attente, *ZE* bisecter
[14:15] <willcooke> didrocks, live session has normal volume blips
[14:15] <willcooke> probably aliens
[14:16] <didrocks> willcooke: really weird, I wonder if it's not another package or race creating this
[14:16] <didrocks> because if we are 3 thinking not having changed that… and it did change…
[14:16] <willcooke> I'll install and play around
[14:16] <attente> :D
[14:16] <didrocks> (personnaly, I prefer it off TBH, but that's personal taste ;))
[14:17] <willcooke> :)
[14:18]  * larsu wonders how he can reproduce this problem without installing all the time
[14:18] <willcooke> larsu, a hacky method might be to use snapshots of a virtual machine
[14:18] <willcooke> *on
[14:19] <larsu> hm, right
[14:21] <seb128> larsu, what problem? the gtk one?
[14:21] <larsu> ya
[14:21] <seb128> installing what?
[14:21] <seb128> just jhbuild and LD_PRELOAD?
[14:21] <larsu> well yeah, but I need to restart the greeter all the time, right? (and log out..)
[14:21] <seb128> not if you work under wmaker
[14:22] <seb128> which is what I would do
[14:22] <seb128> stop compiz, start wm
[14:22] <larsu> oh really?
[14:22] <seb128> or icewm or whatever wm you like that's not a compositor
[14:22] <seb128> yeah, that was part of the deja vu things I wrote :p
[14:23] <seb128> wmaker (I assume any session without compositor) has the same issue
[14:23] <larsu> this is true indeed
[14:23] <larsu> hm, compiz restarts itself
[14:23] <seb128> stop compiz?
[14:24] <larsu> oh wow this is awesome
[14:24] <seb128> I think it's an upstart session job
[14:24] <larsu> unity7 is, yeah
[14:24] <larsu> thanks seb128
[14:24] <seb128> yw
[14:24] <larsu> I've got the best desktop now
[14:25]  * larsu needs to play with this before working on this bug
[14:25] <seb128> lol
[14:25] <larsu> it's got buttons in all the corners
[14:27] <seb128> larsu, http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/linux.png that was my desktop at school!
[14:28] <seb128> I really liked the dock icons on the right, they were big enough to get useful content ;-)
[14:28] <larsu> haha
[14:28] <larsu> nice
[14:37] <didrocks> seb128: ok, at least, the python SRU didn't break requests + ssl this time
[14:37] <seb128> didrocks, new SRU? or security update?
[14:37] <didrocks> security update
[14:38] <larsu> so ... the blur only works when compiz is running
[14:38] <larsu> I guess we just want opaque background on the greeter then?
[14:38] <seb128> yes
[14:38] <seb128> that's how it was before
[14:38] <willcooke> wfm
[14:39] <larsu> hm, I never noticed that :)
[14:39] <willcooke> who does syncing of tzdata-latest from Debian?
[14:39] <larsu> Laney
[14:40] <larsu> (me guesses, of course)
[14:40] <seb128> willcooke, we are uptodate
[14:41] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/1503560
[14:41] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1503560 in tzdata (Ubuntu) "Turkey delays winter time to 8th of November 04:00" [Undecided,New]
[14:41] <seb128> yeah, that's not the most annoy part
[14:41] <seb128> we have time before november
[14:41] <willcooke> ah, so that can just come in to W after release and it'll be sorted
[14:42] <seb128> willcooke, right but http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/10/02/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t15:22
[14:42] <seb128> unsure how much of an issue that is though
[14:42] <seb128> willcooke, to note that debian didn't do the 2015g update yet
[14:42] <seb128> so we have nothing to sync
[14:42] <seb128> seems usually infinity does the update, since it needs to go to stable branches as well
[14:43] <willcooke> I see, thanks seb128
[14:43] <seb128> yw
[14:43]  * willcooke stops poking around at random bugs
[14:44] <seb128> willcooke, you might ask to infinity if he's going to handle that update
[14:44] <seb128> that would be useful, since Norfolk changes took action on sunday
[14:44] <willcooke> http://cdn.meme.am/instances/64673788.jpg
[14:44] <seb128> which means some users might have a wrong tz data
[14:44] <willcooke> seb128, ack, will do
[14:44] <seb128> thanks
[14:45] <seb128> larsu, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jqJ_QZD5EbE/TxH98_IH5tI/AAAAAAAAARc/ZBRp25GG41k/s1600/new_email.png
[14:46] <larsu> thanks :)
[14:56] <Laney> 07/10 15:37:45 <aurel32> adsb: I have uploaded tzdata-2015g to wheezy and jessie
[14:56] <Laney> how about that
[15:08] <attente> ok... i have a good and a bad
[15:11] <larsu> attente: I said I was on it
[15:11] <seb128> Laney, good ;-) we still need somebody to do the SRUs/security updates through old series
[15:11] <larsu> attente: gtk_widget_set_opacity() ?
[15:13] <Laney> probably the person who always does them will do
[15:13] <Laney> :-)
[15:14] <attente> larsu: haven't bisected that far yet. you have the commit already?
[15:16] <larsu> attente: I think it's 4cf6edda5
[15:17] <larsu> even though that's a bit early
[15:19] <larsu> attente: it is
[15:19] <larsu> ha! thinking > bisecting
[15:19]  * larsu drinks an espresso
[15:20] <attente> larsu: you win this round...
[15:22] <larsu> attente: you've won a lot before ;)
[15:38] <larsu> problem is I don't really know why this commit is a problem :/
[15:40] <seb128> larsu, maybe try asking mclasen if he has an idea?
[15:40] <seb128> or Company
[15:40] <larsu> ya
[15:41] <seb128> Trevinho, davmor2, willcooke, with the u-s-d fixes from https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/unity-settings-daemon/xsettings-fixes-backport/+merge/273710 the cursor is doubled for new windows when setting scaling to 2, but yeah some parts are only fixed after a compiz restart
[15:55] <willcooke> thanks seb128. What's the next steps?  Trevinho do you need to make some changes as well?
[16:00] <davmor2> cyphermox: did you say the new animals should be in the slide show on today's daily is still monkey and in yelp too
[16:01] <Laney> yelp is docs team
[16:01] <attente> the recent kernel breaks my graphics...
[16:02] <cyphermox> davmor2: no, I haven't done the upload
[16:02] <cyphermox> perhaps I should do it today, so it doesn't get forgotten
[16:02] <didrocks> have a good evening guys!
[16:03] <davmor2> Laney: yeah but it's fun to blame cyphermox for everything ;)
[16:03] <Laney> agreed
[16:03] <Laney> but if you want to try to nudge them I suggest mailing their list :-)
[16:04] <davmor2> Laney: I think cyphermox said there was a package already
[16:28] <attente> hi, has anyone cross compiled gtk+3.0 for armhf? i'm getting missing build-depends in a wily armhf schroot
[17:15] <seb128> ok, I'm done reviewing g-s-d plugins changes from git that are worth backporting
[17:15] <seb128> sorry for the mps spam
[17:17] <seb128> dobey, oh, I couldn't land the ubuntuone-client-data fixes through CI since the vcs isn't set up for that (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/InlinePackaging)
[17:17] <dobey> huh?
[17:18] <seb128> dobey, I think it's basically adding a .bzr-builddeb dir and bootstraping and giving CI the right to commit
[17:18] <dobey> no
[17:18] <seb128> dobey, seems like it was landing by autolanding before, not CI train
[17:18] <dobey> it is set up to land via CI train
[17:19] <seb128> weird
[17:19] <dobey> is something complaining?
[17:20] <seb128> dobey, I tried to do a landing this morning and the changelog included all the commit since 1 it looked like
[17:20] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/InlinePackaging states that you need a "  * Automatic snapshot from revision <rrrr> (bootstrap)"
[17:20] <seb128> in the changelog to bootstrap
[17:20] <seb128> also Mirv said that you need a .bzr-builddeb
[17:20] <seb128> which it doesn't have
[17:20] <dobey> no we don't need a .bzr-builddeb
[17:20] <seb128> k
[17:21] <dobey> what silo is it in?
[17:21] <seb128> I did abondon the silo
[17:21] <seb128> since Mirv suggested that the project needs bootsrapping
[17:21] <dobey> oh, well that makes it hard for me to see what the problem is
[17:23] <seb128> dobey, https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-025-1-build/123/console
[17:23] <dobey> it was bootstrapped like 21 months ago
[17:23] <seb128> was the jenkins job
[17:23] <dobey> ./apport/source_ubuntuone-client-data.py:20:1: E302 expected 2 blank lines, found 1
[17:23] <dobey> that's why it failed to build
[17:23] <seb128> wait
[17:23] <seb128> I fixed that
[17:24] <seb128> https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-025-1-build/124/console
[17:24] <seb128> sorry
[17:24] <seb128> dobey, it generated https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-025-1-build/124/artifact/ubuntuone-client-data_content.diff
[17:24] <seb128> see the changelog
[17:24] <seb128> oh
[17:24] <dobey> how was the silo configured?
[17:24] <seb128> wily landing
[17:24] <seb128> dobey, https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/486
[17:25] <dobey> ok, that's a weird bug in ci train
[17:26] <seb128> I should maybe have landed it with the buggy changelog
[17:27] <dobey> ah
[17:27] <dobey> yes
[17:27] <seb128> but I assumed that it would not make the release team reviewer want to approve it
[17:27] <dobey> so the problem is that the version in wily was from before the changes were made so it would work in ci train
[17:28] <dobey> and ci train has a bug that causes it to generate insane changelog messages like that :(
[17:28] <seb128> I guess we can manually upload/commit to trunk and next landing is going to be fine?
[17:29] <dobey> i can't say if that would be true or not
[17:29] <dobey> unless the bug in ci train code gets fixed, possibly not
[17:31] <dobey> i guess i could manually land your changes and do an upload and try
[17:31] <seb128> that would be great ;-)
[17:39] <Trevinho> willcooke: yes, there's something to do in unity also... Or probably compiz. I've gave a look, but it needs more study
[17:54] <willcooke> ack. thanks Trevinho
[17:55] <willcooke> g'night all
[18:11] <dobey> seb128: ok, merged the changes to u-c-d trunk, and just uploaded (i think, been a long time since i've dput anything to archive)
[18:13] <seb128> dobey, thanks! upload seems fine, it's in the queue, though it has some changes not documented in the changelog, let's see in the reviewer complain about those
[18:16] <dobey> seb128: "* Automatic snapshot (bootstrap)" entry covers that i think ;)