=== Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha [01:57] TheMuso, are you doing the gnome-orca 3.16.3 update? [02:36] robert_ancell: Oh we can do those this late in the cycle? [02:36] robert_ancell: I can. [02:37] TheMuso, yeah, if it's just stable fixes. It compiled fine here just wasn't sure how to check if anything broken [02:37] robert_ancell: Ok go ahead with the upload then if you have done changelog etc. [02:37] TheMuso, ok [02:37] I can do it if you aren't that far along. [02:38] ah ok cool. [03:54] bye all [04:51] hello [05:10] good morning [05:10] Hey hikiko, didrocks. [05:10] hey TheMuso! [05:11] hey TheMuso didrocks ] [05:12] hey hikiko [05:17] Good morning [05:18] hey pitti [05:21] ça va didrocks ? [05:21] pitti: ça va, et toi ? [05:22] didrocks: still trouble with my stomach, but I at least could sleep a little longer today; hope it'll get better now :) [05:23] pitti: I hope your stomach will fix itself sooner rather than later :/ [05:23] Hey pitti. Stomach upsets suck, hope you get better soon. [05:24] I hardly ever get that, but I guess it's mostly harmless [05:24] thanks! [05:25] Of all the illnesses I've ever had, I think ones relating to the stomach have been my least favourite. [05:38] * TheMuso -> EOD. [05:41] see you TheMuso! [06:27] bonjour! [06:27] * larsu will need to have a word with wollcooke today - sun is gone [06:28] good morning desktopers [06:28] hey larsu, seb128 [06:28] bonjour seb128 et larsu ! comment allez-vous ? [06:29] hey didrocks larsu pitti [06:29] pitti, ça va bien ! et toi ? [06:29] hi didrocks and pitti and seb128! [06:30] seb128: médiocre encore, je vais voir un docteur aujourd'hui; peut-être ubuflu pour l'estomac :) [06:33] pitti, retape toi bien ! [06:34] seb128: merci ! [07:00] fiiixed :D [07:00] 3d windows on shaders :D [07:00] but I need help from mir guys to test in actual gles [07:31] did anyone ever run gles2 compiz on desktop? [07:32] * hikiko needs some help to test an algorithm [07:33] I don't [07:37] moin [07:39] hi Sweet5hark! wie geht's? [07:39] morning Sweet5hark! [07:41] * larsu hits gtk-doc with a stick [07:41] hey Sweet5hark [07:42] larsu, didrocks, seb128: hey guys [07:57] morning all [07:58] * willcooke can't find anything good for team dinner [07:58] where good = food style & location & price [07:59] hey willcooke [07:59] can't we go where we headed last time? [07:59] * didrocks was quite happy about that place [07:59] I thought about that as well, but: [07:59] the service was poor, and we had to leave after 2 hours [08:00] if you guys are all ok with that, then I am happy to try and book it [08:00] I thought the food was great there [08:00] * didrocks doesn't mind, but let's see what others say [08:03] morning willcooke [08:03] give me back my sun! [08:03] hey larsu [08:03] I dont have it [08:03] :( [08:03] I let you have it for ONE day, and you lost it?! ;) [08:03] I left it *right* here yesterday [08:03] someone must have taken it [08:04] hai [08:04] hey Laney [08:04] Laney: perfect timing. Morning :) [08:04] There's our culprit [08:04] AH [08:04] FOOD CHAT [08:04] I vote for somewhere else [08:04] variety and all [08:05] if we can find somewhere yeah [08:05] it's london, no need to go to the same place twice! [08:05] indeed [08:05] (imho) [08:07] hey willcooke Laney [08:07] hey seb128 [08:08] hiya! [08:08] what's up? [08:12] hey Laney! [08:14] hi pitti! [08:14] how are you? [08:18] Laney: better today, thanks [08:18] oh, I didn't realise you weren't good :( [08:19] Laney: some stomach trouble, I'll see a doctor today (maybe something wrong with Budapest's tap water, or what not -- I don't know) [08:20] * Laney sends some good rays pitti's way [08:20] hope there's a quick solution for you [08:21] so you *do* have the sun [08:21] ...gamma rays? [08:21] well, in a way they are :) [08:22] pitti: all the best! [08:22] larsu: danke! [08:24] pitti, do you plan a new apport upload this week? [08:24] we could do with getting those errors out of e.u.c ;-) [08:25] seb128: oh, sure! [08:25] pitti, if you do also please review https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu/wily/apport/str_no_decoding/+merge/273076 [08:25] pitti, danke [08:25] pitti: https://udd.debian.org/~laney/less.txt <- updated, looks like -uz is a real candidate for removal [08:26] anyone spot something the three remaining packages have in common? :) [08:26] seb128: that's not completely right yet -- if you don't decode you must use if b'something' in ... [08:26] Laney, why so much hate for chrisccoulson? ;-) [08:26] seb128: as it might still be a str or bytes (if there's some garbage in the log) [08:26] seb128: but that's easy enough, I'll fix it up on merge [08:27] pitti, danke [08:27] what have I done? [08:27] Laney, or in fact we are supposed to handle the devel serie, so one for qengho? [08:27] chrisccoulson, hey! [08:28] chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:28] chrisccoulson: error number #1: you left your bed? :-) [08:28] seb128, I'm not too bad thanks. How are you? [08:28] chrisccoulson, seems like firefox/tb/oxide are oudated in wily compared to other series [08:28] hey chrisccoulson, how are you? [08:28] seb128, yeah, that's because people keep doing random uploads without proposing the changes to the bzr branches [08:28] pitti, I'm not bad thanks. And you? [08:29] doookooooo [08:29] heh [08:29] chrisccoulson: okayish, glad to be back from the sprint [08:29] seb128: "iz gcc bug!" ? [08:29] oh, where was your sprint? [08:29] chrisccoulson: in Budapest [08:29] ah, nice [08:29] pitti, no, is uploading without sending back changes to the packaging vcs [08:29] not that it matters much, it could've been anywhere :) [08:29] (wha chrisccoulson was mentioning) [08:31] This was the change - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/219814387/firefox_41.0%2Bbuild3-0ubuntu1_41.0%2Bbuild3-0ubuntu2.diff.gz. I'm not convinced that should be fixed in Firefox tbh, and I really object to carrying powerpc-specific patches (especially when there's no upstream bug reference. They become just another patch I have to permanently maintain) [08:31] chrisccoulson, just drop it and if somebody complains you can tell them to properly do things next time ;-) [08:32] best to merge the changelog and say that's what you are doing, and probably talk to the original uploader. [08:32] seb128, I did, although without realizing it ;) [08:32] otherwise it looks like you missed the upload and accidentally dropped it [08:32] haha [08:32] seems he did [08:32] :) [08:32] :-) [08:33] chrisccoulson, how far away from London are you now? [08:33] seb128: 120miles ish [08:34] k, not in easy reach to drop by one evening for a beer [08:34] shame [08:34] hey davmor2 [08:34] seb128, davmor2, I think it's a bit less than that now. I moved house [08:34] chrisccoulson, I know you moved, that's why I was asking ;-) [08:34] chrisccoulson: ah fair enough I was going by the solihull address [08:35] chrisccoulson: where did you move to? [08:35] seb128, it's about ~100 miles [08:36] davmor2, I moved to bourne in lincolnshire. Near to my mum :) [08:37] chrisccoulson: less convenient for trains and airport but much nicer views I imagine :) [08:38] davmor2, yeah, there's certainly a lot less around here. But I'm right on the far south-east corner of town. There's trees opposite my house, and beyond that it's just fields for miles [08:38] The views are fairly boring though - the fens are a bit flat [08:39] chrisccoulson: not as boring as the house opposite though right :) [08:40] davmor2, it has one advantage - houses are much cheaper than solihull :) [08:41] went through stamford on the train at the weekend [08:41] seems pleasant [08:41] chrisccoulson: I think the only place more expensive is London isn't it as areas go [08:41] seb128: oh, I see add_installation_log, that already does decode('UTF-8', 'replace') -- so that's fine [08:41] pitti, right [08:42] Laney, yeah, I'm not far from stamford [08:42] yeah that's why I mentioned it :P [08:46] chrisccoulson: more import is how is the broadband? [08:47] davmor2, it's ok - I'm about 200m from the cabinet, which they upgraded with fibre a week or so before I moved in. [08:47] So I get pretty much ~80Mbps [08:48] chrisccoulson: ah so not too bad then [08:49] We're quite lucky here - we've benefited from government funding for the fibre rollout, and the rollout plans are all public (through http://onlincolnshire.org/) so I had an idea when our cabinet was going to be upgraded before I moved [08:53] pitti: did you see the comment about the uz langpacks? [08:54] Laney: no, I didn't; sorry, missed it [08:55] pitti: ok, well - they are the only leftover one :) [08:55] uz 11076 (4%) discarded [08:55] Laney: yes, sounds plausible [08:55] Laney: removing, thanks for tracking this! [08:56] Laney: why does this duplicate everything? [08:56] pitti: WDYM? [08:56] Laney: https://udd.debian.org/~laney/less.txt has two lines for every langpack [08:56] not that it matters that much, but I figure this is an ongoing check [08:57] Laney: removed [08:57] it's just an SQL query, so probably it has two rows on the vivid side [08:57] i.e. in updates and proposed [08:57] thanks! [08:59] larsu, would you fancy looking to a theme issue? in software-center, the install bars in the "in progress" section are orange with a grey rectangle in the middle [08:59] (also spinner are weirdly centered but that's probably a bug in s-c) [09:04] morning guys [09:05] hey andyrock [09:15] hey andyrock [09:15] seb128: Trevinho is on the theme now [09:15] * larsu at least tries [09:15] lol [09:15] is it taking? [09:16] taking? [09:16] is it taking off? [09:16] trying to make Trevinho owning the theme [09:16] yes! [09:17] I just need to convince enough people while he's still sleeping [09:17] :-) [09:17] he doesn't see old pings anyway :P [09:18] it's troll Trevinho day! [09:18] that's what you get for working at night and sleeping while others troll ;-) [09:18] ahahahha [09:18] probably he's trolling us while we're asleep as well [09:18] I forgot to sleep today :D [09:19] don't do that too many days in a row [09:19] seb128: themining of that whole app is ... offf [09:19] buttons not linked, no frames around the "tab" buttons [09:19] larsu, :-( [09:29] seb128: that eog bug.... I *just* added the menu bar [09:29] and people already complain its missing stuff :) [09:29] *it's [09:29] yeah for users ;-) [09:30] anyway, this is not happening for W - it's waiting on some gtk work desrt and I want to do in London next week [09:31] k, I don't think it's important [09:31] feel free to unassign as well [09:31] I agree [09:31] primary purpose of this app is to look at images [09:31] if you want to keep your buglist a reflect of things you are working on [09:31] right [09:31] there's a million other ways to open it in another app [09:31] I don't even know why people need an open with in eog [09:31] (one of which is right-click) [09:31] they can do that from nautilus [09:31] yeah [09:31] or the app itself [09:31] wontfix? [09:32] we can have it easily next cycle [09:32] and I don't think it hurts [09:32] k [09:32] * larsu comments [09:33] bug #1479054 is a theme issue right? [09:33] bug 1479054 in rhythmbox (Ubuntu) "Shuffle and repeat buttons pressed state does not visually differ from unpressed state" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1479054 [09:34] yes, likely [09:34] hum, yeah, same issue in nautilus with the list/icon mode buttons [09:34] and adwaita does it better [09:35] indeed, I've never liked our dark buttons [09:35] way too hard to see their states [09:35] oh, I'm using the light theme [09:36] but from your comment I guess the dark one has the same issue ;-) [09:36] oh. indeed :D [09:36] I sometime forget that I'm not using the default theme :p [09:40] also not the default language [09:40] that I can fix! [09:41] by changing the default language of Ubuntu, and not the one on your system, right? [09:41] indeed! [09:41] seb128, nah, to late ... to fix it for future products you should have joined the snappy team to make sure it uses the right one from the start :P [09:41] not sure I'd find the terminal anymore if you do that [09:41] sorry can't work [09:41] don't know what this "Le Terminale" app is [09:42] keybinding is the same [09:42] and Trevinho fixed the keybinding handling [09:42] so you should be safe [09:42] * larsu doesn't use keybindings to start apps [09:42] you don't want to use code Trevinho wrote, right? ;-) [09:42] unless you count Term as a keybinding [09:42] seb128: I use it all the time for brightness/volume ;) [09:43] the poor Trevinho is going to wake up wondering why he got so many pings during the night [09:43] he'll only see the last one (if that) [09:45] well at least he's not doing the attente way [09:45] getting notifications on his phone for IRC pings [09:45] in the middle of the night [09:45] because timezone [09:45] yeah [09:45] I hope you didn't wake him up just now :D [09:46] ;-) [09:46] I need to learn to do it like Laney [09:46] add some well placed _ [09:46] L_aney [09:46] L/-\ney [09:47] Cru$her [09:47] background of software center also seems off to me [09:48] "What's new" "Help (mate-user-guide)" — err, thanks! [09:49] well that's probably what's new in the archive (as package recently added) [09:49] but yeah, might not be the best to suggest [09:49] clearly [10:11] stupid window focus [10:38] Laney: pretty sure upstream doesn't care about gtkcalendar [10:39] push it then! [10:39] I thought about that [10:40] but I want someone to review this [10:40] if I broke something existing, people will be mad [10:40] (for right reasons) [10:40] who, if nobody cares? [10:41] it's being used in a lot of places still [10:41] but noone cares about changing its behaviour [10:41] (that u was for u, Laney) [10:43] uUu [10:43] I'll try pinging someone after lunch [10:44] which is what I'm going to now :) [10:44] I believe in your ability to handle it [10:44] !!! [10:44] lunch well [10:44] :) [10:44] thanks === JMulholland_ is now known as JMulholland [11:37] willcooke: dell xps 13 on wily any idea what would stop the cursor resizing like it does on 14.04 with the dell install? [11:38] willcooke: I have the icons scaled nicely but still a tiny cursor :) [11:39] davmor2, xps13 is intel gfx right? [11:39] willcooke: yeap [11:40] I don't know how the cursor gets resized.. is it a compiz plug in perhaps? hikiko any ideas? [11:41] I doubt it's compiz [11:41] davmor2, how and where do you resize it on 14.04? [11:41] willcooke: I have the scaling set to 2 as it was on the original install, so the icons are the same kinda size as on my 1080p system but the cursor is still tiny let me grab a screen shot [11:42] willcooke: system settings → screen display the slider on the bottom [11:42] willcooke: on the 4k xps for the install it was slid to 2.0 which is what I have done on wily [11:45] hrmmm doesn't even show on screenshot that's not good [11:45] no it wont [11:46] willcooke: ubuntu phone to the rescue [11:46] wat [11:48] hrm, so it doesn't resize the cursor on my 14.04 machine, and I didn't think it would anyway [11:48] so I'm surprised it does on yours [11:48] seb128, have you seen the scaling of the mouse pointer? [11:48] willcooke: http://people.canonical.com/~davmor2/xps-cursor-issue.jpg [11:49] davmor2, that's pretty much what I was expecting to see. [11:49] but it does work on 14.04 for you? [11:49] davmor2, willcooke, there is a cursor-size gsettings key and there is a bug which seems to make things not pick config changes [11:49] willcooke: this is the xps default install so I assume that dell may of tinkered with it, let me reinstall it and I can take a screenshot there too [11:49] going to try a fix [11:49] willcooke: in theory the cursor should scale, but it doesn't unless you restart compiz... [11:50] willcooke: because we need to change something in order to make it to reload the mouse settings... [11:50] ahh [11:50] Trevinho, do you write the cursor-size key? [11:50] I did [11:51] davmor2, out of interest, did you log out and back in since you changed the setting? [11:51] willcooke: yeap [11:51] then it's broken [11:51] :) [11:51] davmor2, mind logging a bug with your screenshot? [11:51] willcooke: it was working and now isn't not sure when it broke though [11:51] willcooke: sure [11:52] thanks [11:52] well actually the resizing is done by both unity that says to unity settings daemon to resize... But it doesn't resize the one is using by itself [11:52] davmor2, you can try to change gsetttings set org.gnome.desktop.interface cursor-size === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:52] seb128: sure 1 second [11:52] that's what we change in unity [11:52] that was 1.0 for me [11:52] on scaling-factor 2 [11:53] I just got to pop to the shops, brb [11:53] Laney, what was 1.0? [11:53] com.canonical.Unity.Interface cursor-scale-factor [11:53] ? [11:53] weird [11:53] Trevinho, ^ why that key? [11:53] yes that key [11:54] seb128: cause we need to remember what was the scaling set, and leave to the user the ability to override it. As we managed the gnome one [11:54] seb128: does that mean I'm trying to set the wrong setting? [11:54] davmor2, dunno [11:55] I don't understand why unity is duplicating keys [11:55] int cursor_size = std::round(default_cursor_size.GetInt32() * point_scaling * cursor_scale_); [11:55] Trevinho, what key should change for the config to be applied? [11:55] where... [11:55] unsigned integer_scaling = std::max(1, scale); [11:55] double point_scaling = scale / static_cast(integer_scaling); [11:56] seb128: we need to have a local setting in order to know what's the actual scaling requested by user, otherwise we can't figure out by just looking that the value set on gnome [11:57] It's all done here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12703678/ [12:00] let's try https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-settings-daemon/commit/?id=d4a833907f5ef0ef1e59b69faafb60293cc191d2 as well [12:00] seb128: so (I missed the request while writing) to change the config, you need to change the scaling factor from unity, or it will overwrite it... [12:01] seb128: Is there a way to get a list of all the keys? If so I will install 14.04 and get the list there and then do a fresh 15.10 and then we will have a comparison to work from does that make sense? [12:01] * Trevinho looks [12:02] davmor2, gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.desktop.interface [12:02] seb128: oh, nice. yes I guess we need that [12:02] not sure it will fix things for compiz though, but still [12:02] I had this in my list of things to study [12:03] seb128: and the same for com.canonical.Unity.Interface too I guess right? [12:03] yes [12:03] seb128: right I'll hit it straight after lunch then the at least we can compare [12:06] good morning desktop! [12:06] hey desrt! [12:06] time for desert btw [12:06] good timing! [12:06] exactly ;) [12:07] you'll be happy to know i'm pushing L9 :) [12:07] hey desrt [12:07] ahah, crazy dude! [12:07] hi seb :) [12:10] * desrt has 2'120'670/2'400'000 and is nearing the gold badge requirement [12:10] didrocks: how far did you play this? [12:10] desrt: not really, like a month in winter and not everyday, so not at your level for sure ;) [12:11] for me there are two interesting statistics in the game [12:11] sojourner: 22 days (i've been playing for 22 days) [12:11] trekker: 175km [12:11] i like this :) [12:11] ~8km per day [12:14] interesting, you have the number of kilometers counted [12:14] this is one of the badges [12:15] next level is gold at 300km [12:15] probably i'll hit this one next, or the glyph hacking badge [12:15] desrt: the issue at the time was like there were like 15 portals at most in Lyon [12:15] ah [12:15] ya. that's pretty crap [12:15] so, you had to travel a lot :) [12:15] * didrocks submitted a lot of them [12:15] for me there are 15 portals within about 2 minutes walk :) [12:16] and probably about 1000 (no joke) within 15 minutes [12:16] heh, I'm still sad about the number of duplication there is nowdays [12:16] very few dupes here. in fact, i can't say that i've noticed a single one. [12:16] duplicate* [12:18] playing in toronto is completely insane [12:18] nothing last more than a few hours :) [12:19] i have ~5-6 couchhacks depending on which particular random noise hits my GPS at any given time and i've been able to maintain this cluster for a couple of days now (with the help of kat and dave) [12:19] but other than that.... everything in downtown is really up for grabs at any time [12:19] looks like lyon got a lot more interesting, too :) [12:20] yeah, so having too many portals made the game less interesting IMHO [12:20] the fact that you own a place makes it better for defending [12:20] it's not too many portals that's the problem -- it's too many players [12:20] there are probably ~10-20 people who live/work in this area [12:20] who all think they ought to own it :) [12:21] it's also in a city block with 3 major transit lines of 3 out of the 4 sides :) [12:21] so you get a lot of drive-by zapping from people on trams and such [12:21] heh, nice :) [12:22] oh look. someone is currently taking out my stuff in allen gardens. [12:22] oh well :p [12:23] i deployed that stuff yesterday afternoon. i'm surprised it lasted this long :) [12:23] * desrt grabs a coffee and a text editor instead === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:24] is it a known issue that notify-osd notifications in lightdm are completely black, unreadable? [13:26]