pitti | o/ | 15:00 |
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infinity | \o | 15:00 |
sil2100 | o/ | 15:00 |
caribou | \o/ | 15:01 |
infinity | slangasek: Do you mind if I s/pitti/cyphermox/ for the release sprint? | 15:01 |
infinity | cyphermox: And do you? :P | 15:01 |
pitti | great! now infinity broke the nice wave pattern | 15:01 |
infinity | I'm a terrible person. | 15:02 |
tdaitx | o/ | 15:02 |
sil2100 | You want them to... change nicknames for the sprint? | 15:02 |
sil2100 | wow | 15:02 |
barry | ~o~ | 15:02 |
slangasek | infinity: hmm, give me a bit to think about it and we'll talk about it after the meeting? | 15:02 |
pitti | ça va ! je suis un Canadien maintenant ! | 15:02 |
doko | first budapest, then canada ... | 15:02 |
slangasek | #startmeeting | 15:02 |
meetingology | Meeting started Thu Oct 8 15:02:58 2015 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 15:02 |
meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 15:02 |
doko | I'll go last ... | 15:03 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] Lightning round | 15:03 |
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round | ||
slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx) | 15:03 |
slangasek | robru pitti infinity sil2100 barry doko caribou tdaitx bdmurray slangasek cyphermox | 15:03 |
robru | I win! | 15:04 |
robru | lp:cupstream2distro | 15:04 |
robru | - sometimes lp doesn't respond to a copyPackage even if it copies successfully. Catch & warn the resulting exception rather than exploding | 15:04 |
robru | - fix (again) the performance regression when marking silos dirty. | 15:04 |
robru | - support manual sources in dual silos properly. | 15:04 |
robru | - discover ppa source names so users no longer need to type them by hand | 15:04 |
robru | - fix race condition in publisher that was causing duplicate statuses in the audit log | 15:04 |
robru | - clarify error when releasing wily trunk for vivid. | 15:04 |
robru | - stop considering duplicate assignment attempts as an error, tell the user the silo is already assigned, and set bileto status correctly | 15:04 |
robru | - force all dual silos to publish wily+vivid into overlay. | 15:04 |
robru | lp:bileto | 15:04 |
robru | - Auto-linkify bug numbers in description | 15:04 |
robru | - Stop letting long lines overflow cards. | 15:04 |
robru | - fix bug with comment box losing contents during page refresh | 15:04 |
robru | - discover and display artifacts URL to user. | 15:04 |
robru | - totally redesign web frontend, fixing many UX issues | 15:04 |
robru | - allow people to limit searches to only active requests | 15:04 |
robru | - increase audit logging to include when users edit requests | 15:04 |
robru | - streamline some redundant logic between a couple db model classes | 15:04 |
robru | (done) | 15:04 |
slangasek | pitti: | 15:05 |
pitti | autopkgtest: | 15:05 |
pitti | - Correctly install main linux kernel for DKMS tests in LXC | 15:05 |
pitti | - Don't clobber already passed tests with failures from new uploads (#1501697) | 15:05 |
pitti | - Fine-tune tests triggered by gcc packages | 15:05 |
pitti | - Make linux* depend on linux-meta* (#1498807) | 15:05 |
pitti | - Discuss better/earlier autopkgtest coverage for silos with robru, slangasek, and jibel | 15:05 |
pitti | misc: | 15:05 |
pitti | - langpack-o-matic: Fix erroneously discarded languages, rebuild wily packs | 15:05 |
pitti | - various bug fixes in networkd (#1500992), open-iscsi (#1501033), python-dbusmock, systemd (#1492546), udev (#795494 and others) | 15:05 |
pitti | - postgresql: Prepare new upstream security/bug fix releases for all supported Ubuntu releases (#1504132) | 15:05 |
pitti | - tons of tiny requests, mails, bug triage, and other catch-up after sprint week | 15:05 |
pitti | END | 15:05 |
infinity | - Kernel SRUs | 15:05 |
infinity | - Emergency kernel security update | 15:05 |
infinity | - s390x bootstrapping | 15:05 |
infinity | - Release prep | 15:05 |
infinity | - Finalizing release sprint details | 15:05 |
infinity | - Lots of queue reviews | 15:05 |
infinity | (done) | 15:06 |
sil2100 | - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails | 15:06 |
sil2100 | - RTM Status meetings | 15:06 |
sil2100 | - OTA-7 preparations | 15:06 |
sil2100 | * Preparing the snapshot, coordinating translations, announcements | 15:06 |
sil2100 | - +1 maintenance, working through the list of FTBFS from the wily test-rebuild: | 15:06 |
sil2100 | * Fixed unity-voice build failure | 15:06 |
sil2100 | * Poked barry for syncing wheel to fix its FTBFS | 15:06 |
sil2100 | * Requested sync of python-traceback2 | 15:06 |
sil2100 | * Preparation of changes for ubuntuone-client-data | 15:06 |
sil2100 | * Work on python-pysaml2 FTBFS - still a few failures left | 15:06 |
sil2100 | * Check sponsor request for sflphone | 15:06 |
sil2100 | - Refreshed touch seeds, removing friends from the seeds | 15:06 |
sil2100 | - Play around with a new UI mockup for requests | 15:06 |
sil2100 | - Looking into possible solutions of displaying OTA tags on images | 15:06 |
sil2100 | * Investigated the idea of an OTA map | 15:06 |
sil2100 | * Looked into appending tags in system-image server json files | 15:06 |
sil2100 | (done) | 15:06 |
barry | debuntu: LP: #1501805; wheel 0.26.0-1; git transition in dpmt (it is happening!); research for LP: #1500768; pex 1.0.3-2 and 1.0.3-2ubuntu1 to unblock wheel promotion in wily-proposed. | 15:06 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1501805 in python-apt (Ubuntu) "Sync python-apt 1.0.1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501805 | 15:06 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1500768 in python3.4 (Ubuntu Trusty) "python3.4.3 SRU break requests" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500768 | 15:06 |
barry | system-image: discussion, research, etc. around LP: #1475568 | 15:06 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1475568 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Use OTA terminology in system settings" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475568 | 15:06 |
barry | recovered from a server crash, including landscape breakages (issue reported, diagnosed, resolved) | 15:06 |
barry | --done-- | 15:06 |
caribou | doko ? | 15:09 |
caribou | or should I go next ? | 15:09 |
caribou | Bugfix : | 15:09 |
caribou | - Bug #1496317 Wily failed kdump crash smb reviewed it. Minor fixes. Will need to be SRUed | 15:09 |
caribou | - sosreport autopkgtests | 15:09 |
caribou | - Memory leak analysis | 15:09 |
caribou | - mpt2sas firmware version for Trusty | 15:09 |
caribou | - 70-persistent-rule bug SRU | 15:09 |
caribou | Booked flights for sprint | 15:09 |
ubottu | bug 1496317 in kexec-tools (Ubuntu) "kexec fails with OOM killer with the current crashkernel=128 value" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496317 | 15:09 |
caribou | Done | 15:09 |
tdaitx | Short week: | 15:09 |
tdaitx | 1. US biometrics collection on last Thursday afternoon | 15:09 |
tdaitx | 2. US visa interview on Monday, flight to and back from São Paulo | 15:09 |
tdaitx | Current/Past | 15:09 |
tdaitx | - Squid bugs squash^W triage; was checking if my 3.3.14 update fixed any (no such luck), so I decided to spend a few more minutes in each to triage them | 15:09 |
tdaitx | - Updated Squid3 from 3.3.8-1ubuntu16 to 3.3.14-0ubuntu1 (LP: #1502178) | 15:09 |
tdaitx | - Fix mesa FTBFS; missing mirclient dependency on either mir-client-platform-mesa or on mesa's configure.ac (LP: #1503450) | 15:09 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1502178 in squid3 (Ubuntu) "update squid from 3.3.8 to 3.3.14" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502178 | 15:09 |
tdaitx | - Investigated fix for LP: #1073478; needs SRU | 15:09 |
tdaitx | - Trying to get JDK-8073139 reviews up and running again | 15:09 |
tdaitx | - Finished my Core Dev application wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TiagoDaitx/CoreDeveloperApplication) | 15:09 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1503450 in Mir "mesa FTBFS due to missing Requires in mirclient" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503450 | 15:09 |
tdaitx | Next steps | 15:09 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1073478 in squid3 (Ubuntu) "squid3 logrotate fails when squid is not running" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1073478 | 15:10 |
tdaitx | - get icedtea 2.7-preXX packaged and building | 15:10 |
tdaitx | - triage openjdk 7 to check which bugs have been fixed by icedtea 2.7 | 15:10 |
tdaitx | - get some comments and endorsements for my core dev application | 15:10 |
tdaitx | - verify OpenJDK 6 TLS patch (LP: #1482924) | 15:10 |
tdaitx | Waiting/On hold | 15:10 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1482924 in openjdk-7 (Ubuntu) "Regressions due to USN-2696-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482924 | 15:10 |
tdaitx | - waiting OCA to submit webrevs for 7093640 backport (set TLS 1.1 as default for JDK 6 and TLS 1.2 as default for JDK 7); not blocking anything for now, just waiting | 15:10 |
tdaitx | (done) | 15:10 |
bdmurray | submitted RT regarding updating apport on staging, prod retracers x 2 | 15:10 |
bdmurray | discovered and fixed Traceback with apport on production retracers | 15:10 |
bdmurray | fixed different apport traceback with -dbgsym packages | 15:10 |
bdmurray | rewrite of cql async query for failed to retrace bucketing | 15:10 |
bdmurray | confirmed that we are retracing less foreign origin packages on 12.04 | 15:10 |
bdmurray | fixed privacy issue with LP: #1494361 | 15:10 |
bdmurray | update meta-release-proposed file for LP: #1497024 | 15:10 |
bdmurray | updated meta-release files for the ubuntu-release-upgrader in vivid-updates | 15:10 |
ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 1494361 could not be found | 15:10 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1497024 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "release upgrades should jump over unsupported releases" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1497024 | 15:10 |
bdmurray | T, V SRU verification of LP: #1497024 | 15:10 |
bdmurray | T, V SRU verification of LP: #1498193 | 15:10 |
bdmurray | irc discussion re fix for LP: #1498697 (rejected upload in the queue) | 15:10 |
bdmurray | rls-w bug review | 15:10 |
bdmurray | uploaded update-manager fix for LP: #1215114 | 15:10 |
bdmurray | uploaded ubuntu-release-upgrader fix for LP: #1313514 | 15:10 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1498193 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Trusty) "demoted.cfg is a broken symlink in the upgrader tarball" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498193 | 15:10 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1498697 in tgt (Ubuntu Precise) "Targets are not consistently shown with large numbers of targets" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498697 | 15:10 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1215114 in update-manager (Ubuntu Wily) "_get_linux_packages function needs updating" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215114 | 15:10 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1313514 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Blacklist entry for ubuntu-release-upgrader should be more specific so it doesn't match ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt if kubuntu-desktop is not the desktop meta package" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313514 | 15:10 |
bdmurray | tested and uploaded a fix for whoopsie bug LP: #1389357 | 15:10 |
bdmurray | retrace of autofs crash bug LP: #1503034 | 15:10 |
bdmurray | reported ubiquity LP: #1503441 regarding installer crashing with a 8GB install | 15:10 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1389357 in whoopsie (Ubuntu) "whoopsie reuses CRASH_DB_IDENTIFIER on next run" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1389357 | 15:10 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1503034 in autofs (Ubuntu) "Autofs 5.1.1-1ubuntu2 crashes with segfault on startup" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503034 | 15:11 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1503441 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "8 GB isn't enough to install Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503441 | 15:11 |
bdmurray | research into and uploaded ubuntu-release-upgrader fix for LP: #1502529 | 15:11 |
bdmurray | ✔ done | 15:11 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1502529 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) ""Upgrading Ubuntu to version " not translated" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502529 | 15:11 |
pitti | bdmurray: thanks for the -dbgsym fix, that also was the one breaking the tests | 15:11 |
bdmurray | pitti: Ah, I didn't see that test failure. | 15:11 |
doko | tdaitx, wait, is 2.7-preXX meant to be the next release, not 2.6.2? | 15:11 |
pitti | bdmurray: I didn't get it locally either, but during the CI autopkgtest run | 15:11 |
bdmurray | pitti: Is there a way to subscribe to emails about those? | 15:12 |
pitti | bdmurray: not email, just XSS for now (http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/data/feeds/a/apport.xml) | 15:12 |
pitti | email notifications are coming | 15:12 |
slangasek | * still working on recruiting for the open positions | 15:13 |
slangasek | * discussions about improving the autopkgtest system use with silos and generally | 15:13 |
doko | - finish libav/ffmpeg transition, remove libav from wily | 15:13 |
doko | - finish libept transition | 15:13 |
doko | - backported ppc64el and s390 support for libseccomp | 15:13 |
doko | - hdf5 transition | 15:13 |
doko | - looking at a python3.4 regression in trusty-updates | 15:13 |
slangasek | * meetings: POWER, s390x | 15:13 |
doko | - report a GCC memory hog upstream, found in insighttoolkit4 | 15:13 |
doko | - fixing build failures | 15:13 |
slangasek | * looking at juju on s390x to figure out if we will have performance problems there like we did on POWER due to memory pressure | 15:13 |
doko | - prepared and started the test rebuild, buildd give backs | 15:13 |
slangasek | * trying to figure out the system-image key rotation, it looks like we won't have quorum at the sprint so this will need to be done in London | 15:13 |
doko | - one more GCC update | 15:13 |
doko | - openjdk-7 and openjdk-8 updates | 15:13 |
slangasek | * reviewed and tested the patches to bug #1439769, to land in wily | 15:13 |
doko | - still trying to build gcc-snapshot on all archs | 15:13 |
slangasek | * sprint travel planning | 15:13 |
doko | - prepare python-greenlet and valgrind SRU's, validate them | 15:13 |
slangasek | (done) | 15:13 |
ubottu | bug 1439769 in update-manager (Ubuntu Vivid) "various linux packages being marked as manually installed, still prevents 'apt-get autoremove' from doing the right thing for kernels" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1439769 | 15:13 |
doko | (done) | 15:13 |
slangasek | hmm :) | 15:13 |
doko | oops | 15:13 |
slangasek | cyphermox: | 15:13 |
tdaitx | doko, I'm trying to check that with andrew, but he is out this week, anyway I only saw 2.7-pre tags being added | 15:13 |
cyphermox | eep, I wasn't quite ready | 15:14 |
cyphermox | so; | 15:14 |
cyphermox | - firmware update stuff | 15:14 |
cyphermox | - upload ubiquity-slideshow | 15:14 |
cyphermox | - fixed usb-modeswitch | 15:14 |
cyphermox | - discussions/review for upstart-watchdog fixes | 15:14 |
cyphermox | and multipath bugfixes | 15:14 |
tdaitx | doko, anyway, he has released both micro and minor releases together in the past | 15:14 |
cyphermox | along with random other things, I forget :/ | 15:14 |
cyphermox | (done) | 15:14 |
doko | see above: ^ ^ | 15:15 |
doko | (done) | 15:15 |
slangasek | ok | 15:16 |
slangasek | any questions? | 15:16 |
slangasek | infinity: maybe you want to discuss the python3.4 SRU | 15:16 |
barry | slangasek: key rotation! | 15:16 |
caribou | Can someone sponsor LP: #1273462 | 15:16 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1273462 in lsb (Ubuntu Trusty) "Users can mistakenly run init.d scripts and cause problems if an equivalent upstart job already exists" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273462 | 15:16 |
caribou | that's the bug we discussed extensively a while back | 15:16 |
infinity | doko: You missed the conversation barry and I just had on mumble, but I think the sane way forward is to back out that one commit in python3.4 itself, rather than try to fix all the rdeps to cope with it. | 15:16 |
infinity | doko: Interface/defaults changes like that aren't particularly SRU-friendly (and there's no guarantee we won't break third-party code, even if we fixed everything we ship in the distro). | 15:17 |
barry | infinity, doko i'm going to bring this up as a general point of discussion on the new linux-sig@python.org | 15:17 |
bdmurray | Please have a look at the rls-w-tracking bugs - http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 15:17 |
doko | wait, which commit? | 15:17 |
infinity | doko: The bit that changes the behaviour incompatibly. :P | 15:18 |
pitti | bdmurray: wow, what happened with the kernel bugs? > 1.500 | 15:18 |
doko | I'm lost ... | 15:18 |
barry | doko: this is for LP: #1500768 and it's related to 3.4.3 changes for PEP 476. | 15:19 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 1500768 in python3.4 (Ubuntu Trusty) "python3.4.3 SRU break requests" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500768 | 15:19 |
bdmurray | pitti: Its all those CVEs I guess | 15:19 |
barry | doko: you might want to join linux-sig if you're not already, or read it via gmane | 15:20 |
slangasek | caribou: I'm willing to sponsor bug #1273462 but then I wonder if anyone else will approve the SRU :) | 15:20 |
ubottu | bug 1273462 in lsb (Ubuntu Trusty) "Users can mistakenly run init.d scripts and cause problems if an equivalent upstart job already exists" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273462 | 15:20 |
caribou | slangasek: I can ping arges about it | 15:20 |
pitti | how about I sponsor, you approve? :-) | 15:21 |
doko | barry, there's nothing about this on the ml ... https://mail.python.org/pipermail/linux-sig/2015-October/thread.html | 15:22 |
barry | doko: not yet :) | 15:23 |
slangasek | doko: are you ok with infinity's suggestion, to back out the behavior change? | 15:23 |
pitti | https://xkcd.com/1172/ | 15:24 |
doko | slangasek, I didn't nail it down to a single commit yet. so if he has the commit, that's fine. however reverting the whole pep commit is probably not the right solution | 15:24 |
barry | i don't know which commit it is | 15:25 |
infinity | doko: Oh, I was using "commit" in the abstract sense, I don't have a pointer, sorry. | 15:25 |
infinity | doko: But if it's just a default flag being inverted, as barry suggests, it should be a 1-liner to revert the behaviour, I'd hope. | 15:26 |
* doko goes back to work on that | 15:26 | |
infinity | (But, y'know, python, so who knows) | 15:26 |
slangasek | doko: ok. as various folks have pointed out, rolling back the package from -updates doesn't help the users that have already upgraded over the two weeks that the package was in -updates; so if we're all agreed that reverting this change is a sensible path forward, and if you can prioritize working on it, that would be excellent | 15:26 |
doko | sure | 15:26 |
slangasek | thanks | 15:26 |
barry | thanks | 15:26 |
doko | one more thing, ftbfs ... | 15:27 |
doko | there are still plenty ... | 15:27 |
infinity | barry, doko: I don't think identifying "the commit" is all that important, if you can find the magic 1-liner required to invert the default and that fixes the problem, yay. | 15:27 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] Releees | 15:27 |
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Releees | ||
barry | pep 476 has more information in the Implementation section | 15:28 |
slangasek | doko: current pointer for the ftbfs list? | 15:28 |
cyphermox | we have a scary werewolf in the slideshow since today. | 15:28 |
slangasek | there's http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20151001-wily.html | 15:28 |
slangasek | which doesn't have many interesting packages on it; there's some GL package I've never heard of failing to build on two architectures? glibc, anyone heard of it? | 15:29 |
bdmurray | cyphermox: do you have a link to the scariness? | 15:29 |
infinity | cyphermox: Oh, did you do my usual gimping? Should I review it? :P | 15:29 |
cyphermox | bdmurray: just a sec; fetching the werevervet. | 15:29 |
cyphermox | ftbfs are more important though ;) | 15:30 |
infinity | slangasek: The glibc failures are probably just some racy tests, but I'll look. | 15:30 |
pitti | slangasek: yes, I think the other day the kernel warned me while it saw a double-free that it detected a glibc; that glibc thingy is likely the culprit! | 15:30 |
cyphermox | bdmurray: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/revision/719 | 15:30 |
slangasek | doko: fwiw shim is on that list and will be fixed the next time we need to upload shim for other reasons and not before | 15:30 |
slangasek | pitti: these people and their newfangled GL extensions | 15:31 |
doko | slangasek, ok, I'll make a note | 15:31 |
doko | and there are packages stuck in -proposed ... http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html | 15:31 |
slangasek | yaboot ftbfs, solution: remove it from main | 15:31 |
infinity | Ahh, yeah, both those glibc tests are known-flaky. Need to fix those upstream once and for all. | 15:31 |
infinity | yaboot it on my hitlist, but I failed to find time to switch ppc to grub this cycle. Maybe I can do it before release for kicks. :P | 15:32 |
cyphermox | doko: I'll look at shim when I get to upload it next, I guess. the bug is already assigned to me. | 15:32 |
pitti | doko: did all of these build just once, or twice? i. e. is it still likely to find a lot of flakiness there, or are these more or less "stable" failures? | 15:33 |
pitti | I've seen a lot of "please retry foo" requests on IRC recently | 15:33 |
pitti | not that they wouldn't be important to fix, but I guess they are a bit less urgent than the stable FTBFS | 15:33 |
doko | pitti, look at the build date. main finished around Oct 3 | 15:33 |
slangasek | pitti: if they've built at all they're considered good for these purposes. Given the number of consistently-failing builds, getting flaky builds to be non-flaky isn't the priority | 15:34 |
doko | I can give back the amd64 and i386 builds, sure | 15:34 |
barry | that's part of the problem, and i saw it repeatedly in the py35asdefault ppa. one fix can cascade a bunch of other fixes if you do a mass retry | 15:34 |
pitti | right; I wonder about e. g. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/219449079/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-i386.gnutls28_3.3.15-5ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz | 15:34 |
infinity | slangasek: Oh, ouch, that yaboot explosion is actual work to fix. e2fslibs forced a sad. | 15:34 |
pitti | such things (failure of one test case named "mini-loss-time") certainly smell flaky-ish | 15:34 |
slangasek | infinity: grub! | 15:35 |
infinity | slangasek: On the flip side, yaboot has never had a CVE in the history of ever, so still low prio to care if it builds. :P | 15:35 |
slangasek | more important question, why are there ruby packages in the core packageset | 15:35 |
infinity | slangasek: grub2 is definitely the right answer, though. I need to sidegrade my PowerStation to grub from yaboot and make sure that's working before I try to flip the installers/ISOs/world. | 15:35 |
infinity | (Also need to hunt down community people with Macs, since Apple's OF is far more likely to break than the SLOF on my machine) | 15:36 |
doko | next time I'll do the test rebuild as a group, so that more people can give back build | 15:37 |
doko | s | 15:37 |
slangasek | barry: looking at http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20151001-wily.html#core there's really not a whole lot of cascading to be done fwiw | 15:37 |
slangasek | doko: you just need to rope the TB members into doing the give-backs for you, apparently | 15:37 |
doko | heh | 15:38 |
pitti | slangasek: wow, ruby-flexmock is in the extra seed | 15:38 |
pitti | oh, gem2deb is in main | 15:39 |
pitti | that probably pulls in tons of stuff | 15:39 |
slangasek | pitti: "in main" != "in the core packageset" | 15:39 |
doko | I already remove a lot of deps from gem2deb | 15:39 |
infinity | slangasek: "in the core packageset" just means it's an intersection of more than one flavour. Which is likely, if ruby is being trasitively pulled in by something lowish in the stack. | 15:40 |
slangasek | infinity: gem2deb isn't low in the stack, ruby has only ever been in main because of server | 15:40 |
slangasek | and chef+puppet | 15:40 |
doko | yes, still need write that email ... | 15:40 |
slangasek | :) | 15:41 |
pitti | those, and xapian-bindings | 15:41 |
pitti | and subversion | 15:41 |
doko | I don't think we can remove the whole ruby from main, even if we demote chef+puppet | 15:42 |
slangasek | I'm not sure why subversion is in main either | 15:42 |
slangasek | anyway | 15:42 |
slangasek | ftbfs bugs | 15:42 |
slangasek | people will work on them yes? | 15:43 |
doko | pitti, gnutls ftbfs persists | 15:43 |
barry | yes | 15:43 |
infinity | All popular version control systems were in main pretty much since Ubuntu's inception. | 15:43 |
doko | just mention on #ubuntu-devel which one you are starting to work on ... | 15:43 |
infinity | Might be worth revisiting now that the world has (mostly) settled on git as the winner. | 15:43 |
pitti | slangasek: that finally is something which we can change -- it's still in supported-development seed, probably for hysterical raisins? | 15:43 |
barry | +1 | 15:43 |
pitti | slangasek: it might have made sense in 2005, but probably not any more | 15:43 |
* pitti sighs reading/tracking germinate output | 15:44 | |
pitti | and it's not like it'd go very far if we demote it | 15:44 |
pitti | oh dear, we still have *cvs* in main | 15:44 |
slangasek | yes, I think I suggested culling subversion already a while back; though I guess one of the git bridges might care about it | 15:44 |
pitti | (seeded) | 15:45 |
pitti | but not tla -- outrageous! | 15:45 |
infinity | pitti: Right, CVS was there for the same reason. | 15:45 |
infinity | pitti: tla was dropped like a hot potato when bazaar happened, because reasons. | 15:45 |
barry | infinity: can you add RCS support please? | 15:45 |
infinity | barry: If you have CVS, you have RCS. Oh, except not, it's only a suggests. | 15:46 |
pitti | ah yes, git build-deps on cvs argh | 15:46 |
infinity | barry: But, really, CVS is just a "user-friendly" RCS. :P | 15:46 |
pitti | so even unseeding it wouldn't help | 15:46 |
infinity | For some definition of "friendly". | 15:46 |
barry | probably "less user-antagonistic" | 15:46 |
infinity | pitti: We waste exactly zero effort on "maintaining" CVS, so it doesn't really matter. | 15:47 |
infinity | SVN is a bit more of a time suck, but then there's the discussion of "would we really stop maintaining it just because it's in universe?" | 15:47 |
slangasek | I don't think we need to loop over the germinate output in realtime here | 15:47 |
slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 15:47 |
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slangasek | anything else today? | 15:47 |
barry | monday is a usa holiday but i will probably swapday it | 15:47 |
cyphermox | yeah. monday holiday in Canada too. | 15:48 |
slangasek | ah, I'm taking my holiday, don't want to miss out on that Canadian cranberry sauce | 15:48 |
cyphermox | I don't think Catou will want me to swap it | 15:48 |
infinity | slangasek: Just want to resolve the cyphermox/sprint thing before we forget. Should we take that to mumble? | 15:48 |
cyphermox | slangasek: make your own! | 15:48 |
infinity | And I'll probably take Monday off to go cast a few dozen votes against Harper. | 15:49 |
cyphermox | cranberry sauce is so easy and delicious to make :) | 15:49 |
slangasek | infinity: we should take it to post-meeting, at least | 15:49 |
infinity | Yay, advanced polls. | 15:49 |
cyphermox | infinity: oh, good plan. | 15:49 |
infinity | cyphermox: Yeah, if you're sprinting, you'll miss the election, so do vote this weekend. :) | 15:49 |
cyphermox | too bad I was planning to go up north this weekend :/ | 15:50 |
cyphermox | I don't have any OB. | 15:51 |
slangasek | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | ||
meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Oct 8 15:52:12 2015 UTC. | 15:52 |
meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-10-08-15.02.moin.txt | 15:52 |
slangasek | thanks, all! | 15:52 |
caribou | thanks slangasek ! | 15:52 |
barry | thanks! | 15:52 |
pitti | thanks everyone | 15:52 |
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