[15:00] <pitti> o/
[15:00] <infinity> \o
[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:01] <caribou> \o/
[15:01] <infinity> slangasek: Do you mind if I s/pitti/cyphermox/ for the release sprint?
[15:01] <infinity> cyphermox: And do you? :P
[15:01] <pitti> great! now infinity broke the nice wave pattern
[15:02] <infinity> I'm a terrible person.
[15:02] <tdaitx> o/
[15:02] <sil2100> You want them to... change nicknames for the sprint?
[15:02] <sil2100> wow
[15:02] <barry> ~o~
[15:02] <slangasek> infinity: hmm, give me a bit to think about it and we'll talk about it after the meeting?
[15:02] <pitti> ça va ! je suis un Canadien maintenant !
[15:02] <doko> first budapest, then canada ...
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct  8 15:02:58 2015 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:03] <doko> I'll go last ...
[15:03] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx)
[15:03] <slangasek> robru pitti infinity sil2100 barry doko caribou tdaitx bdmurray slangasek cyphermox
[15:04] <robru> I win!
[15:04] <robru> lp:cupstream2distro
[15:04] <robru> - sometimes lp doesn't respond to a copyPackage even if it copies successfully. Catch & warn the resulting exception rather than exploding
[15:04] <robru> - fix (again) the performance regression when marking silos dirty.
[15:04] <robru> - support manual sources in dual silos properly.
[15:04] <robru> - discover ppa source names so users no longer need to type them by hand
[15:04] <robru> - fix race condition in publisher that was causing duplicate statuses in the audit log
[15:04] <robru> - clarify error when releasing wily trunk for vivid.
[15:04] <robru> - stop considering duplicate assignment attempts as an error, tell the user the silo is already assigned, and set bileto status correctly
[15:04] <robru> - force all dual silos to publish wily+vivid into overlay.
[15:04] <robru> lp:bileto
[15:04] <robru> - Auto-linkify bug numbers in description
[15:04] <robru> - Stop letting long lines overflow cards.
[15:04] <robru> - fix bug with comment box losing contents during page refresh
[15:04] <robru> - discover and display artifacts URL to user.
[15:04] <robru> - totally redesign web frontend, fixing many UX issues
[15:04] <robru> - allow people to limit searches to only active requests
[15:04] <robru> - increase audit logging to include when users edit requests
[15:04] <robru> - streamline some redundant logic between a couple db model classes
[15:04] <robru> (done)
[15:05] <slangasek> pitti:
[15:05] <pitti> autopkgtest:
[15:05] <pitti>  - Correctly install main linux kernel for DKMS tests in LXC
[15:05] <pitti>  - Don't clobber already passed tests with failures from new uploads (#1501697)
[15:05] <pitti>  - Fine-tune tests triggered by gcc packages
[15:05] <pitti>  - Make linux* depend on linux-meta* (#1498807)
[15:05] <pitti>  - Discuss better/earlier autopkgtest coverage for silos with robru, slangasek, and jibel
[15:05] <pitti> misc:
[15:05] <pitti>  - langpack-o-matic: Fix erroneously discarded languages, rebuild wily packs
[15:05] <pitti>  - various bug fixes in networkd (#1500992), open-iscsi (#1501033), python-dbusmock, systemd (#1492546), udev (#795494 and others)
[15:05] <pitti>  - postgresql: Prepare new upstream security/bug fix releases for all supported Ubuntu releases (#1504132)
[15:05] <pitti>  - tons of tiny requests, mails, bug triage, and other catch-up after sprint week
[15:05] <pitti> END
[15:05] <infinity> - Kernel SRUs
[15:05] <infinity> - Emergency kernel security update
[15:05] <infinity> - s390x bootstrapping
[15:05] <infinity> - Release prep
[15:05] <infinity> - Finalizing release sprint details
[15:05] <infinity> - Lots of queue reviews
[15:06] <infinity> (done)
[15:06] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:06] <sil2100> - RTM Status meetings
[15:06] <sil2100> - OTA-7 preparations
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Preparing the snapshot, coordinating translations, announcements
[15:06] <sil2100> - +1 maintenance, working through the list of FTBFS from the wily test-rebuild:
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Fixed unity-voice build failure
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Poked barry for syncing wheel to fix its FTBFS
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Requested sync of python-traceback2
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Preparation of changes for ubuntuone-client-data
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Work on python-pysaml2 FTBFS - still a few failures left
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Check sponsor request for sflphone
[15:06] <sil2100> - Refreshed touch seeds, removing friends from the seeds
[15:06] <sil2100> - Play around with a new UI mockup for requests
[15:06] <sil2100> - Looking into possible solutions of displaying OTA tags on images
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Investigated the idea of an OTA map
[15:06] <sil2100>   * Looked into appending tags in system-image server json files
[15:06] <sil2100> (done)
[15:06] <barry> debuntu: LP: #1501805; wheel 0.26.0-1; git transition in dpmt (it is happening!); research for LP: #1500768; pex 1.0.3-2 and 1.0.3-2ubuntu1 to unblock wheel promotion in wily-proposed.
[15:06] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1501805 in python-apt (Ubuntu) "Sync python-apt 1.0.1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501805
[15:06] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1500768 in python3.4 (Ubuntu Trusty) "python3.4.3 SRU break requests" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500768
[15:06] <barry> system-image: discussion, research, etc. around LP: #1475568
[15:06] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1475568 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Use OTA terminology in system settings" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475568
[15:06] <barry> recovered from a server crash, including landscape breakages (issue reported, diagnosed, resolved)
[15:06] <barry> --done--
[15:09] <caribou> doko ?
[15:09] <caribou> or should I go next ?
[15:09] <caribou> Bugfix :
[15:09] <caribou> - Bug #1496317 Wily failed kdump crash smb reviewed it. Minor fixes. Will need to be SRUed
[15:09] <caribou> - sosreport autopkgtests
[15:09] <caribou> - Memory leak analysis
[15:09] <caribou> - mpt2sas firmware version for Trusty
[15:09] <caribou> - 70-persistent-rule bug SRU
[15:09] <caribou> Booked flights for sprint
[15:09] <ubottu> bug 1496317 in kexec-tools (Ubuntu) "kexec fails with OOM killer with the current crashkernel=128 value" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1496317
[15:09] <caribou> Done
[15:09] <tdaitx> Short week:
[15:09] <tdaitx> 1. US biometrics collection on last Thursday afternoon
[15:09] <tdaitx> 2. US visa interview on Monday, flight to and back from São Paulo
[15:09] <tdaitx> Current/Past
[15:09] <tdaitx> - Squid bugs squash^W triage; was checking if my 3.3.14 update fixed any (no such luck), so I decided to spend a few more minutes in each to triage them
[15:09] <tdaitx> - Updated Squid3 from 3.3.8-1ubuntu16 to 3.3.14-0ubuntu1 (LP: #1502178)
[15:09] <tdaitx> - Fix mesa FTBFS; missing mirclient dependency on either mir-client-platform-mesa or on mesa's configure.ac (LP: #1503450)
[15:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1502178 in squid3 (Ubuntu) "update squid from 3.3.8 to 3.3.14" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502178
[15:09] <tdaitx> - Investigated fix for LP: #1073478; needs SRU
[15:09] <tdaitx> - Trying to get JDK-8073139 reviews up and running again
[15:09] <tdaitx> - Finished my Core Dev application wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TiagoDaitx/CoreDeveloperApplication)
[15:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1503450 in Mir "mesa FTBFS due to missing Requires in mirclient" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503450
[15:09] <tdaitx> Next steps
[15:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1073478 in squid3 (Ubuntu) "squid3 logrotate fails when squid is not running" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1073478
[15:10] <tdaitx> - get icedtea 2.7-preXX packaged and building
[15:10] <tdaitx> - triage openjdk 7 to check which bugs have been fixed by icedtea 2.7
[15:10] <tdaitx> - get some comments and endorsements for my core dev application
[15:10] <tdaitx> - verify OpenJDK 6 TLS patch (LP: #1482924)
[15:10] <tdaitx> Waiting/On hold
[15:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1482924 in openjdk-7 (Ubuntu) "Regressions due to USN-2696-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482924
[15:10] <tdaitx> - waiting OCA to submit webrevs for 7093640 backport (set TLS 1.1 as default for JDK 6 and TLS 1.2 as default for JDK 7); not blocking anything for now, just waiting
[15:10] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:10] <bdmurray> submitted RT regarding updating apport on staging, prod retracers x 2
[15:10] <bdmurray> discovered and fixed Traceback with apport on production retracers
[15:10] <bdmurray> fixed different apport traceback with -dbgsym packages
[15:10] <bdmurray> rewrite of cql async query for failed to retrace bucketing
[15:10] <bdmurray> confirmed that we are retracing less foreign origin packages on 12.04
[15:10] <bdmurray> fixed privacy issue with LP: #1494361
[15:10] <bdmurray> update meta-release-proposed file for LP: #1497024
[15:10] <bdmurray> updated meta-release files for the ubuntu-release-upgrader in vivid-updates
[15:10] <ubottu> Error: Launchpad bug 1494361 could not be found
[15:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1497024 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "release upgrades should jump over unsupported releases" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1497024
[15:10] <bdmurray> T, V SRU verification of LP: #1497024
[15:10] <bdmurray> T, V SRU verification of LP: #1498193
[15:10] <bdmurray> irc discussion re fix for LP: #1498697 (rejected upload in the queue)
[15:10] <bdmurray> rls-w bug review
[15:10] <bdmurray> uploaded update-manager fix for LP: #1215114
[15:10] <bdmurray> uploaded ubuntu-release-upgrader fix for LP: #1313514
[15:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1498193 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Trusty) "demoted.cfg is a broken symlink in the upgrader tarball" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498193
[15:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1498697 in tgt (Ubuntu Precise) "Targets are not consistently shown with large numbers of targets" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1498697
[15:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1215114 in update-manager (Ubuntu Wily) "_get_linux_packages function needs updating" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215114
[15:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1313514 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Blacklist entry for ubuntu-release-upgrader should be more specific so it doesn't match ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt if kubuntu-desktop is not the desktop meta package" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1313514
[15:10] <bdmurray> tested and uploaded a fix for whoopsie bug LP: #1389357
[15:10] <bdmurray> retrace of autofs crash bug LP: #1503034
[15:10] <bdmurray> reported ubiquity LP: #1503441 regarding installer crashing with a 8GB install
[15:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1389357 in whoopsie (Ubuntu) "whoopsie reuses CRASH_DB_IDENTIFIER on next run" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1389357
[15:11] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1503034 in autofs (Ubuntu) "Autofs 5.1.1-1ubuntu2 crashes with segfault on startup" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503034
[15:11] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1503441 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "8 GB isn't enough to install Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1503441
[15:11] <bdmurray> research into and uploaded ubuntu-release-upgrader fix for LP: #1502529
[15:11] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:11] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1502529 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) ""Upgrading Ubuntu to version " not translated" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1502529
[15:11] <pitti> bdmurray: thanks for the -dbgsym fix, that also was the one breaking the tests
[15:11] <bdmurray> pitti: Ah, I didn't see that test failure.
[15:11] <doko> tdaitx, wait, is 2.7-preXX meant to be the next release, not 2.6.2?
[15:11] <pitti> bdmurray: I didn't get it locally either, but during the CI autopkgtest run
[15:12] <bdmurray> pitti: Is there a way to subscribe to emails about those?
[15:12] <pitti> bdmurray: not email, just XSS for now (http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/data/feeds/a/apport.xml)
[15:12] <pitti> email notifications are coming
[15:13] <slangasek>  * still working on recruiting for the open positions
[15:13] <slangasek>  * discussions about improving the autopkgtest system use with silos and generally
[15:13] <doko> - finish libav/ffmpeg transition, remove libav from wily
[15:13] <doko> - finish libept transition
[15:13] <doko> - backported ppc64el and s390 support for libseccomp
[15:13] <doko> - hdf5 transition
[15:13] <doko> - looking at a python3.4 regression in trusty-updates
[15:13] <slangasek>  * meetings: POWER, s390x
[15:13] <doko> - report a GCC memory hog upstream, found in insighttoolkit4
[15:13] <doko> - fixing build failures
[15:13] <slangasek>  * looking at juju on s390x to figure out if we will have performance problems there like we did on POWER due to memory pressure
[15:13] <doko> - prepared and started the test rebuild, buildd give backs
[15:13] <slangasek>  * trying to figure out the system-image key rotation, it looks like we won't have quorum at the sprint so this will need to be done in London
[15:13] <doko> - one more GCC update
[15:13] <doko> - openjdk-7 and openjdk-8 updates
[15:13] <slangasek>  * reviewed and tested the patches to bug #1439769, to land in wily
[15:13] <doko> - still trying to build gcc-snapshot on all archs
[15:13] <slangasek>  * sprint travel planning
[15:13] <doko> - prepare python-greenlet and valgrind SRU's, validate them
[15:13] <slangasek> (done)
[15:13] <ubottu> bug 1439769 in update-manager (Ubuntu Vivid) "various linux packages being marked as manually installed, still prevents 'apt-get autoremove' from doing the right thing for kernels" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1439769
[15:13] <doko> (done)
[15:13] <slangasek> hmm :)
[15:13] <doko> oops
[15:13] <slangasek> cyphermox:
[15:13] <tdaitx> doko, I'm trying to check that with andrew, but he is out this week, anyway I only saw 2.7-pre tags being added
[15:14] <cyphermox> eep, I wasn't quite ready
[15:14] <cyphermox> so;
[15:14] <cyphermox>  - firmware update stuff
[15:14] <cyphermox>  - upload ubiquity-slideshow
[15:14] <cyphermox>  - fixed usb-modeswitch
[15:14] <cyphermox>  - discussions/review for upstart-watchdog fixes
[15:14] <cyphermox> and multipath bugfixes
[15:14] <tdaitx> doko, anyway, he has released both micro and minor releases together in the past
[15:14] <cyphermox> along with random other things, I forget :/
[15:14] <cyphermox> (done)
[15:15] <doko> see above: ^ ^
[15:15] <doko> (done)
[15:16] <slangasek> ok
[15:16] <slangasek> any questions?
[15:16] <slangasek> infinity: maybe you want to discuss the python3.4 SRU
[15:16] <barry> slangasek: key rotation!
[15:16] <caribou> Can someone sponsor LP: #1273462
[15:16] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1273462 in lsb (Ubuntu Trusty) "Users can mistakenly run init.d scripts and cause problems if an equivalent upstart job already exists" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273462
[15:16] <caribou> that's the bug we discussed extensively a while back
[15:16] <infinity> doko: You missed the conversation barry and I just had on mumble, but I think the sane way forward is to back out that one commit in python3.4 itself, rather than try to fix all the rdeps to cope with it.
[15:17] <infinity> doko: Interface/defaults changes like that aren't particularly SRU-friendly (and there's no guarantee we won't break third-party code, even if we fixed everything we ship in the distro).
[15:17] <barry> infinity, doko i'm going to bring this up as a general point of discussion on the new linux-sig@python.org
[15:17] <bdmurray> Please have a look at the rls-w-tracking bugs - http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:17] <doko> wait, which commit?
[15:18] <infinity> doko: The bit that changes the behaviour incompatibly. :P
[15:18] <pitti> bdmurray: wow, what happened with the kernel bugs? > 1.500
[15:18] <doko> I'm lost ...
[15:19] <barry> doko: this is for LP: #1500768 and it's related to 3.4.3 changes for PEP 476.
[15:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1500768 in python3.4 (Ubuntu Trusty) "python3.4.3 SRU break requests" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500768
[15:19] <bdmurray> pitti: Its all those CVEs I guess
[15:20] <barry> doko: you might want to join linux-sig if you're not already, or read it via gmane
[15:20] <slangasek> caribou: I'm willing to sponsor bug #1273462 but then I wonder if anyone else will approve the SRU :)
[15:20] <ubottu> bug 1273462 in lsb (Ubuntu Trusty) "Users can mistakenly run init.d scripts and cause problems if an equivalent upstart job already exists" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1273462
[15:20] <caribou> slangasek: I can ping arges about it
[15:21] <pitti> how about I sponsor, you approve? :-)
[15:22] <doko> barry, there's nothing about this on the ml ... https://mail.python.org/pipermail/linux-sig/2015-October/thread.html
[15:23] <barry> doko: not yet :)
[15:23] <slangasek> doko: are you ok with infinity's suggestion, to back out the behavior change?
[15:24] <pitti> https://xkcd.com/1172/
[15:24] <doko> slangasek, I didn't nail it down to a single commit yet. so if he has the commit, that's fine. however reverting the whole pep commit is probably not the right solution
[15:25] <barry> i don't know which commit it is
[15:25] <infinity> doko: Oh, I was using "commit" in the abstract sense, I don't have a pointer, sorry.
[15:26] <infinity> doko: But if it's just a default flag being inverted, as barry suggests, it should be a 1-liner to revert the behaviour, I'd hope.
[15:26]  * doko goes back to work on that
[15:26] <infinity> (But, y'know, python, so who knows)
[15:26] <slangasek> doko: ok.  as various folks have pointed out, rolling back the package from -updates doesn't help the users that have already upgraded over the two weeks that the package was in -updates; so if we're all agreed that reverting this change is a sensible path forward, and if you can prioritize working on it, that would be excellent
[15:26] <doko> sure
[15:26] <slangasek> thanks
[15:26] <barry> thanks
[15:27] <doko> one more thing, ftbfs ...
[15:27] <doko> there are still plenty ...
[15:27] <infinity> barry, doko: I don't think identifying "the commit" is all that important, if you can find the magic 1-liner required to invert the default and that fixes the problem, yay.
[15:27] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Releees
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Releees
[15:28] <barry> pep 476 has more information in the Implementation section
[15:28] <slangasek> doko: current pointer for the ftbfs list?
[15:28] <cyphermox> we have a scary werewolf in the slideshow since today.
[15:28] <slangasek> there's http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20151001-wily.html
[15:29] <slangasek> which doesn't have many interesting packages on it; there's some GL package I've never heard of failing to build on two architectures? glibc, anyone heard of it?
[15:29] <bdmurray> cyphermox: do you have a link to the scariness?
[15:29] <infinity> cyphermox: Oh, did you do my usual gimping?  Should I review it? :P
[15:29] <cyphermox> bdmurray: just a sec; fetching the werevervet.
[15:30] <cyphermox> ftbfs are more important though ;)
[15:30] <infinity> slangasek: The glibc failures are probably just some racy tests, but I'll look.
[15:30] <pitti> slangasek: yes, I think the other day the kernel warned me while it saw a double-free that it detected a glibc; that glibc thingy is likely the culprit!
[15:30] <cyphermox> bdmurray: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/revision/719
[15:30] <slangasek> doko: fwiw shim is on that list and will be fixed the next time we need to upload shim for other reasons and not before
[15:31] <slangasek> pitti: these people and their newfangled GL extensions
[15:31] <doko> slangasek, ok, I'll make a note
[15:31] <doko> and there are packages stuck in -proposed ... http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[15:31] <slangasek> yaboot ftbfs, solution: remove it from main
[15:31] <infinity> Ahh, yeah, both those glibc tests are known-flaky.  Need to fix those upstream once and for all.
[15:32] <infinity> yaboot it on my hitlist, but I failed to find time to switch ppc to grub this cycle.  Maybe I can do it before release for kicks. :P
[15:32] <cyphermox> doko: I'll look at shim when I get to upload it next, I guess. the bug is already assigned to me.
[15:33] <pitti> doko: did all of these build just once, or twice? i. e. is it still likely to find a lot of flakiness there, or are these more or less "stable" failures?
[15:33] <pitti> I've seen a lot of "please retry foo" requests on IRC recently
[15:33] <pitti> not that they wouldn't be important to fix, but I guess they are a bit less urgent than the stable FTBFS
[15:33] <doko> pitti, look at the build date. main finished around Oct 3
[15:34] <slangasek> pitti: if they've built at all they're considered good for these purposes.  Given the number of consistently-failing builds, getting flaky builds to be non-flaky isn't the priority
[15:34] <doko> I can give back the amd64 and i386 builds, sure
[15:34] <barry> that's part of the problem, and i saw it repeatedly in the py35asdefault ppa.  one fix can cascade a bunch of other fixes if you do a mass retry
[15:34] <pitti> right; I wonder about e. g. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/219449079/buildlog_ubuntu-wily-i386.gnutls28_3.3.15-5ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[15:34] <infinity> slangasek: Oh, ouch, that yaboot explosion is actual work to fix.  e2fslibs forced a sad.
[15:34] <pitti> such things (failure of one test case named "mini-loss-time") certainly smell flaky-ish
[15:35] <slangasek> infinity: grub!
[15:35] <infinity> slangasek: On the flip side, yaboot has never had a CVE in the history of ever, so still low prio to care if it builds. :P
[15:35] <slangasek> more important question, why are there ruby packages in the core packageset
[15:35] <infinity> slangasek: grub2 is definitely the right answer, though.  I need to sidegrade my PowerStation to grub from yaboot and make sure that's working before I try to flip the installers/ISOs/world.
[15:36] <infinity> (Also need to hunt down community people with Macs, since Apple's OF is far more likely to break than the SLOF on my machine)
[15:37] <doko> next time I'll do the test rebuild as a group, so that more people can give back build
[15:37] <doko> s
[15:37] <slangasek> barry: looking at http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20151001-wily.html#core there's really not a whole lot of cascading to be done fwiw
[15:37] <slangasek> doko: you just need to rope the TB members into doing the give-backs for you, apparently
[15:38] <doko> heh
[15:38] <pitti> slangasek: wow, ruby-flexmock is in the extra seed
[15:39] <pitti> oh, gem2deb is in main
[15:39] <pitti> that probably pulls in tons of stuff
[15:39] <slangasek> pitti: "in main" != "in the core packageset"
[15:39] <doko> I already remove a lot of deps from gem2deb
[15:40] <infinity> slangasek: "in the core packageset" just means it's an intersection of more than one flavour.  Which is likely, if ruby is being trasitively pulled in by something lowish in the stack.
[15:40] <slangasek> infinity: gem2deb isn't low in the stack, ruby has only ever been in main because of server
[15:40] <slangasek> and chef+puppet
[15:40] <doko> yes, still need write that email ...
[15:41] <slangasek> :)
[15:41] <pitti> those, and xapian-bindings
[15:41] <pitti> and subversion
[15:42] <doko> I don't think we can remove the whole ruby from main, even if we demote chef+puppet
[15:42] <slangasek> I'm not sure why subversion is in main either
[15:42] <slangasek> anyway
[15:42] <slangasek> ftbfs bugs
[15:43] <slangasek> people will work on them yes?
[15:43] <doko> pitti, gnutls ftbfs persists
[15:43] <barry> yes
[15:43] <infinity> All popular version control systems were in main pretty much since Ubuntu's inception.
[15:43] <doko> just mention on #ubuntu-devel which one you are starting to work on ...
[15:43] <infinity> Might be worth revisiting now that the world has (mostly) settled on git as the winner.
[15:43] <pitti> slangasek: that finally is something which we can change -- it's still in supported-development seed, probably for hysterical raisins?
[15:43] <barry> +1
[15:43] <pitti> slangasek: it might have made sense in 2005, but probably not any more
[15:44]  * pitti sighs reading/tracking germinate output
[15:44] <pitti> and it's not like it'd go very far if we demote it
[15:44] <pitti> oh dear, we still have *cvs* in main
[15:44] <slangasek> yes, I think I suggested culling subversion already a while back; though I guess one of the git bridges might care about it
[15:45] <pitti> (seeded)
[15:45] <pitti> but not tla -- outrageous!
[15:45] <infinity> pitti: Right, CVS was there for the same reason.
[15:45] <infinity> pitti: tla was dropped like a hot potato when bazaar happened, because reasons.
[15:45] <barry> infinity: can you add RCS support please?
[15:46] <infinity> barry: If you have CVS, you have RCS.  Oh, except not, it's only a suggests.
[15:46] <pitti> ah yes, git build-deps on cvs argh
[15:46] <infinity> barry: But, really, CVS is just a "user-friendly" RCS. :P
[15:46] <pitti> so even unseeding it wouldn't help
[15:46] <infinity> For some definition of "friendly".
[15:46] <barry> probably "less user-antagonistic"
[15:47] <infinity> pitti: We waste exactly zero effort on "maintaining" CVS, so it doesn't really matter.
[15:47] <infinity> SVN is a bit more of a time suck, but then there's the discussion of "would we really stop maintaining it just because it's in universe?"
[15:47] <slangasek> I don't think we need to loop over the germinate output in realtime here
[15:47] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
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[15:47] <slangasek> anything else today?
[15:47] <barry> monday is a usa holiday but i will probably swapday it
[15:48] <cyphermox> yeah. monday holiday in Canada too.
[15:48] <slangasek> ah, I'm taking my holiday, don't want to miss out on that Canadian cranberry sauce
[15:48] <cyphermox> I don't think Catou will want me to swap it
[15:48] <infinity> slangasek: Just want to resolve the cyphermox/sprint thing before we forget.  Should we take that to mumble?
[15:48] <cyphermox> slangasek: make your own!
[15:49] <infinity> And I'll probably take Monday off to go cast a few dozen votes against Harper.
[15:49] <cyphermox> cranberry sauce is so easy and delicious to make :)
[15:49] <slangasek> infinity: we should take it to post-meeting, at least
[15:49] <infinity> Yay, advanced polls.
[15:49] <cyphermox> infinity: oh, good plan.
[15:49] <infinity> cyphermox: Yeah, if you're sprinting, you'll miss the election, so do vote this weekend. :)
[15:50] <cyphermox> too bad I was planning to go up north this weekend :/
[15:51] <cyphermox> I don't have any OB.
[15:52] <slangasek> #endmeeting
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[15:52] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct  8 15:52:12 2015 UTC.
[15:52] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-10-08-15.02.moin.txt
[15:52] <slangasek> thanks, all!
[15:52] <caribou> thanks slangasek !
[15:52] <barry> thanks!
[15:52] <pitti> thanks everyone
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