[00:01]  * zykotick9 cannot think of a properly edited sources.list would not apply after an "apt-get update" <- and what repo is being used could be verified while running said "apt-geg update"...
[00:01] <zykotick9> s/apt-geg/apt-get/
[00:04] <gefdecue> I edited interfaces like this and mac didnt change. whats wrong ? https://paste.debian.net/314911/
[00:05] <zykotick9> gefdecue: <sidenote> i've always used macchanger to change mac addresses.
[00:05] <guest42> Okay, so I found what caused my problem [http://askubuntu.com/tags/15.04/new], how do I update my computer from a live disk?
[00:08] <Haugli92> :P
[00:11] <gefdecue> gefdecue: i dont want to use macchanger
[00:11] <gefdecue> it worked fine before, just editing the interfaces file.
[00:12] <gefdecue> zykotick9:
[00:16] <guest42> Oh, that did it. I had to hit escape later in startup. [[I am changing grub to always show though, that will be a life saver.]]
[00:36] <TalkingTorah> hello all.. I have an issue with a fresh install of ubuntu-mate. When I tell my friend to run sudo to add the skype ppa... she gets an error "command sudo not found" I am unfamiliar with this erro and cant find anything on google about it.
[00:37] <LambdaComplex> TalkingTorah: Is sudo installed?
[00:37] <TalkingTorah> well.. i thought is was by default. how do I install it?
[00:37] <TalkingTorah> (and thank you for answering)
[00:37] <LambdaComplex> No idea what package provides it for Ubuntu.
[00:37] <Ben64> pastebin the actual command and error
[00:38] <LambdaComplex> Could also be it's installed but not in the path?
[00:38] <TalkingTorah> it is on a remote system. I was told tha the exact verbiage was "command sudo not found"
[00:38] <Ben64> need actual output
[00:38] <TalkingTorah> ok.. let me see if I can make that happen
[00:38] <bewbz> I've spent a two day tring to setup Android Studio. I've be basically entering various SUDO commands to gand now my computyer is soooo l slow.
[00:39] <bewbz> No idea what I've been doing. I have my java pointing to Oracle jdk, would that slow it down
[00:39] <TalkingTorah> may I ask.. how do I give you a pastebin?
[00:40] <LambdaComplex> http://pastebin.com/ is an easy way
[00:40] <cfhowlett> TalkingTorah, linuxcommandhere | pastebinit
[00:40] <TalkingTorah> ok thanks
[00:40] <LambdaComplex> dpkg -s sudo would check if sudo is installed, right?
[00:40] <bewbz> When entering sudo commands found from various websites, could I potentially be installing some sort of virus? my computer is super slow for some reason.
[00:41] <Ben64> bewbz: yep, shouldn't run things you don't know what they do
[00:41] <ExecSlim> @bewbz what websites did you enter commands from?
[00:41] <LambdaComplex> bewbz: that's an incredibly vague question. short answer: yes
[00:42] <LambdaComplex> i'd check htop though and see if something is hogging cpu/ram
[00:42] <ExecSlim> ^
[00:43] <LambdaComplex> that's really like asking "if i pick up a sledgehammer, could i potentially smash something?"
[00:43] <bewbz> Lambda: so many sites. this one was weird. http://ridz1ba.blogspot.com/2015/01/how-to-install-oracle-java-and-android.html
[00:44] <bewbz> A ton from stackoverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17474963/android-studio-tools-jar-file-is-not-present-in-classpath/17827697#17827697
[00:44] <LambdaComplex> alright, first one involves mkdir, mv, and chown
[00:45] <LambdaComplex> and update-alternatives
[00:45] <bewbz> this one too seems suspicous http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html
[00:46] <Ben64> bewbz: are you on mint?
[00:46] <bewbz> ubuntu
[00:46] <bewbz> 15.04
[00:46] <Ben64> the first link you posted is for mint
[00:46] <bewbz> I'm an idiot. I just kept installing and installing and sudo this and that.
[00:47] <LambdaComplex> perhaps you should read the man pages
[00:47] <Ben64> and the 3rd one you posted is for debian
[00:47] <ExecSlim> bewbz: is there anything interesting from htop?
[00:49] <Hubacub> Aye ianhulett
[00:51] <ianhulett> Hai Hubacub.
[00:51] <Hubacub> hai
[00:51] <bewbz> nothing that I can see. maybe i'm just paranoid
[00:51] <Nikesh> is having my GPG Key (e.g. GPGKEY=D8FC66DC) around publicly dangerous? Rather, what is done with this key and how should I treat it?
[00:52] <Nikesh> That's not actually my key btw :P Just the example one from GnuPrivacyGuardHowto on Ubuntu Wiki
[00:52] <wileee> he, sure, sur
[00:54] <ianhulett> Would it make a difference if you install ubuntu from a usb hard disk?
[00:54] <ianhulett> Or does it have to be a flash drive?
[00:54] <ianhulett> ...or CD?
[00:54] <LambdaComplex> ianhulett: shouldn't make a difference
[00:55] <wileee> HD would be the hardest likely, not my pick at all
[00:56] <Hubacub> Well, i'm trying to intall it from a usb hard drive, it just gets stuck on this screen with a flashing underscore
[00:57] <skweek> Does everybody have a distorted looking tip of their middle finger, the spot where you hold a pen or pencil? when I hold my right hand up to my left hand my right middle finger tip is fatter than the left one.... and there's a bulge of skin with a divot where I hold writing utensils...
[00:58] <bazhang> skweek, wrong channel
[00:58] <Hubacub> anyone know why this is?
[00:58] <wileee> !nomodeset | Hubacub
[01:10] <NicholasCage> I'm having trouble joining this protected chat and I think it might have to do with me doing changes to resolv.conf
[01:10] <NicholasCage> does that make any sense what so ever?
[01:11] <NicholasCage> my SSL handshakes fail
[01:11] <Bashing-om> NicholasCage: Short answer, no .
[01:22] <poutine> I'm having trouble getting my displayport monitor to work with a nvidia GTX 675M on my laptop. I plugged it in, and I don't see it in nvidia-settings, and I'm googling and not finding much info at all
[01:23] <poutine> I'm running Ubuntu 15.04 and my nvidia driver is 346.96
[01:27] <itsme__> I followed this tutorial http://www.howtogeek.com/116409/how-to-turn-your-ubuntu-laptop-into-a-wireless-access-point/  but the ap is not showing in my phone please help
[01:27] <mhackbr>  Folks, yours know a linux distro with high performance and use of the processor?
[01:27] <mhackbr> I need up 12 servers in my laptop for start my application using microservices structure
[01:27] <mhackbr> My laptop not work well with this services up together
[01:28] <mhackbr> I see about Arch Linux, what yours think about this
[01:28] <mhackbr> ?
[01:29] <itsme___> ??
[01:32] <LambdaComplex> mhackbr: All Linux distros use the same (more or less) kernel. Because they all use the Linux kernel. Their use of the processor will be the same.
[01:32] <mhackbr> Ok
[01:32] <mhackbr> I think change HD for SSD
[01:33] <mhackbr> And up Linux Swap
[01:33] <mhackbr> this would work?
[01:33] <lazer> I can't get Squirt speed reading to work... Anyone have any experience with getting a PDF to HTML to work in chrome with squirt?
[01:34] <cfhowlett> mhackbr, how much ram?
[01:34] <lazer> Here's the github link that doesn't seeem to work: https://github.com/Nateliason/squirt-html-base/blob/master/README.md
[01:36] <mhackbr> I am using 8GB
[01:36] <mhackbr> My laptop not support more
[01:37] <cfhowlett> mhackbr, ask your question in #ubuntu-server.  they probably know more.
[01:38] <mhackbr> Ok, thanks guys
[01:41] <dengwo> zia
[01:42] <itsme___> i followed this tutorial but i can't see the AP in my phone http://www.howtogeek.com/116409/how-to-turn-your-ubuntu-laptop-into-a-wireless-access-point/
[01:44] <james0r> having some dep issues while trying to install steam on a fresh 14.04.3 install --> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12710986/
[01:44] <bazhang> james0r, try #ubuntu-steam
[01:45] <james0r> bazhang, thx
[01:46] <bazhang> welcome
[01:51] <ethan_> Good day everyone! Anyone here have any experience with Ubuntu on Mac? The mactel repositories are giving me grief.
[01:52] <cfhowlett> !mac | ethan_
[01:57] <dengwo> ok
[02:02] <ethan_> ubottu: the installation of ubuntu 14.04 worked very well. Installing the ppa is simply not working as expected. The ppa only supports up to Raring, which I am manually editing the sources.list to reflect since adding the ppa via the command line automatically appends your current distro, Trusty, to the ppa. Anyways, the ppa does not show up in synaptic and any packages found in the mactel ppa are inaccessible.
[02:03] <bazhang> ethan_, thats a bot
[02:03] <bazhang> ethan_, contact the ppa maintainer for help with a more recent version
[02:03] <cfhowlett> ethan_, ppa?  what PPA?  note: i don't have a macbuntu, but I'm pretty sure contemporary macs are fully supported with the lastest amd ubuntu .iso?
[02:05] <ethan_> The mactel PPA/repository. My issue is mostly with installing the PPA properly, not so much any issue with ubuntu on the mac since that installed just peachy.
[02:05] <bazhang> ethan_, the maintainer can help with taht, we cannot
[02:05] <cfhowlett> best consult the mac channels/people/ppa maintainers
[02:06] <ethan_> ok, thanks. cheers, everyone!
[02:07] <bazhang> welcome
[02:09] <Nelson1> what are machine check events?when i DMESG in terminal i get these messages?
[02:19] <hellowor1d> Hi ALL, I have question about compile the source and install package.
[02:19] <hellowor1d> when I commit the following commands: sudo apt-get build-dep youtube-dl; sudo apt-get source --compile youtube-dl
[02:20] <hellowor1d> How Do I install the software ... via apt-get ?
[02:20] <cfhowlett> hellowor1d, via software center but apt install is the command line option
[02:21] <cfhowlett> hellowor1d, and as youtube-dl is in the repo you should not be building/sourcing/compiling anything
[02:24] <haystack> hello
[02:25] <haystack> hola
[02:28] <hrobjartur> hi all
[02:29] <hrobjartur> my router dhcp does not remember my computers previously allocated ip... it keeps switching it...   its an unusual router in this way, my previous ones were more considerate :)
[02:29] <hrobjartur> it also does not have options to fix ip to a particular MAC
[02:29] <hrobjartur> address
[02:30] <hrobjartur> can I somehow force an ip on ubuntu, but still allow dhcp to setup dns and other things?
[02:31] <Ben64> yep, or you can set everything, or you can set a static ip on the router
[02:31] <hrobjartur> Ben64,  this router funnily has not static ip setup :S
[02:31] <OerHeks> hrobjartur, you could set a static ip in ubuntu, choose a high number from your dhcp range.
[02:31] <Ben64> hrobjartur: what router
[02:32] <hrobjartur> OerHeks, Ben64 ,  ok,  yes I figure the router will happily accept my computer switching ip
[02:32] <hrobjartur> alcatel lucent I-040GW
[02:33] <hrobjartur> its a nobody router --- its actually with fiberoptic input
[02:33] <hrobjartur> so its the one the telecom company gave us
[02:33] <hrobjartur> never seen as limited options inside the router config
[02:35] <hellowor1d> cfhowlett, it was just a test.. after I compiled it. Can I install it as a package ? same as apt-get install?
[02:35] <cfhowlett> !compile | hellowor1d,
[02:36] <hrobjartur> OerHeks, Ben64 , in the Edit Connections ubuntu gui -- I see no option to set IP while still allowing dhcp
[02:36] <hrobjartur> OerHeks, Ben64 ,  it all or nothing
[02:36] <cfhowlett> compiling from source should be your LAST option especially as this package is available in repo but ... your box, your problem   :)
[02:37] <OerHeks> hrobjartur, see the tab IPv4/IPv6
[02:37] <hrobjartur> OerHeks, yes
[02:38] <OerHeks> hrobjartur, first switch form auto dhcp to manual on that same page
[02:38] <hrobjartur> ok on manual
[02:39] <hellowor1d> cfhowlett, when I use Gentoo... I used to compile everything... :-)
[02:39] <OerHeks> hrobjartur, then 'add' is clickable
[02:39] <hrobjartur> OerHeks,  yes
[02:39] <hrobjartur> OerHeks, however DNS , gateway and all must be manually set too
[02:39] <hrobjartur> OerHeks, so all or nothing
[02:39] <cfhowlett> hellowor1d, ah!  then you do have some knowledge of what you're doing!  :)
[02:40] <OerHeks> hrobjartur, take your time to see there, dns is below that window
[02:40] <hrobjartur> right.
[02:41] <hellowor1d> cfhowlett, So I want to know if ubuntu still keep control the packages after insatllation from source compiling..
[02:41] <hrobjartur> I suppose I could script this.. allow dhcp to configure, then set new ip using ifconfig
[02:41] <OerHeks> hrobjartur, for those other numbers besides IP, take a look at your current config, 'connection information'
[02:41] <cfhowlett> hellowor1d, if you manually compile a package, you must manually maintain it - such is my understanding.  no auto upgrade as the package came from outside of the repos
[02:41] <hrobjartur> that way DNS and gatway and set automatically
[02:42] <OerHeks> hrobjartur, if you want to script this, remove networkmanager and do it old school with interfaces file
[02:43] <hrobjartur> OerHeks, thanks
[02:46] <hellowor1d> cfhowlett, hmm... Gentoo still can mantain the compiled version..... that is fun. And user have better control of compile options.
[02:48] <Foxhoundz> does Ubuntu Server release builds on a same schedule as the Desktop variants?
[02:48] <Foxhoundz> or is it only released for LTS builds
[02:49] <cfhowlett> Foxhoundz, same as desktop.
[02:50] <Foxhoundz> I've been used to 14.04 for so long I'm scared to upgrade
[02:50] <Foxhoundz> I hear systemd is in 15
[02:50] <cfhowlett> Foxhoundz, server?  why?  14.04 is still supported!
[02:50] <cfhowlett> and 16.04 will be out "soon".
[02:50] <Foxhoundz> well it's a personal home box that runs DNS and Plex media server
[02:50] <Foxhoundz> nothing critical
[02:50] <Foxhoundz> But I have a lot of shell scripts I use to automate stuff that will likely break
[02:51] <wileee> you have years to ponder it
[02:52] <cfhowlett> Foxhoundz, so you don't have a crying need to go bleeding edge?
[02:52] <somsip> !lts
[02:53] <Foxhoundz> I suppose
[02:53] <Foxhoundz> Now then, the next question is this:
[02:54] <Foxhoundz> is it possible to do an upgrade from 14.04 to the latest fast-release build of Ubuntu Server (15)?
[02:54] <Foxhoundz> or do I have to do a clean reinstall
[02:54] <somsip> Foxhoundz: it's possible
[02:54] <cfhowlett> Foxhoundz, 14.04 > 14.10 > 15.04
[02:54] <cfhowlett> !eolupgrade | Foxhoundz
[02:56] <[n0mad]> and 15.10 is around the corner
[02:58] <BlueProtoman> Does Ubuntu 15.10 fix Optimus support?
[03:03] <k3xenn> Hi People, i accidently ran pvcreate on a drive i due to dirve letters moving about. Anyone know how to restore the drive it is ext4?
[03:04] <k3xenn> ive been following this: http://dbaspot.com/linux-misc/263673-lvm-possible-undo-pvcreate.html but the drive still says its part of a lvm group. do i need to use fdisk to change the partition type?
[03:09] <Roey> hi
[03:09] <Roey> how do I disable USB Selective Suspend ?
[03:13] <Hubacub> I just installed ubuntu, I can't connect to wifi, it says "
[03:13] <Hubacub>     Wireless is disabled by hardware switch.
[03:13] <Hubacub> "
[03:13] <Hubacub> wondering how I can fix?
[03:15] <k3xenn> Hubacub are you using a laptop?
[03:15] <Hubacub> k3xenn, yes
[03:15] <k3xenn> look areound the edges of the laptop sometimes there is a little switch that lets you disable the wifi
[03:15] <k3xenn> its on the body typically
[03:16] <k3xenn> something liek this: http://www.eightforums.com/attachments/tutorials/38201d1393134669-wi-fi-turn-off-windows-8-a-wi-fi_switch.jpg?s=cab945857019ccce3df91e6ad8c04f35
[03:18] <Hubacub> back
[03:18] <Hubacub> k3xenn, I see something a littttle bit like that
[03:18] <Hubacub> when I slide it over I see five prongs
[03:20] <creyc_> hey guys, can someone help me understand why permissions for a directory don't match when mounted on another machine?
[03:20] <creyc_> on ubuntu: drwxrwx--- 5 root users 4.0K Oct  7 01:28 dst
[03:20] <creyc_> on nas: drwxrwx--- 5 admin everyone 4.0K Oct  7 01:28 dst
[03:22] <k3xenn> okay but does it say it now enabled?
[03:22] <Hubacub> k3xenn, it doesn't say anything on the switch
[03:24] <Ben64> creyc_: what does 'ls -ln' say
[03:26] <creyc_> ubuntu: drwxrwx--- 5 0 100 4.0K Oct  7 01:28 dst
[03:26] <creyc_> nas: drwxrwx--- 5 0 100 4096 Oct  7 01:28 dst/
[03:26] <ljadov> man ls
[03:26] <Viking667> 'llo all. I've got a slightly weird "bug".
[03:26] <ljadov> -l use a long listing format
[03:26] <ljadov>      -n, --numeric-uid-gid
[03:26] <ljadov>               like -l, but list numeric user and group IDs
[03:26] <Viking667> When I automatically log in, gedit starts itself. It's not in the list of programs in Startup Programs.
[03:27] <Viking667> Any ideas what else I need to look at?
[03:27] <creyc_> ah, so IDs are in fact the same, just different presentation?
 it wont say it on the switch, but does it say its enabled in ubuntu?
[03:31] <Hubacub> no
[03:32] <k3xenn> so when you try to connect to a wifi you get the same error message?
[03:32] <Hubacub> k3xenn, yep
[03:33] <k3xenn> Hmm cold be the switch is broken?
[03:33] <k3xenn> could
[03:33] <k3xenn> you have tried the swtich in both positions and the laptop fails to connect?
[03:33] <Hubacub> yes
[03:33] <Hubacub> it has the same message
[03:34] <Hubacub> k3xenn, what if I just got a USB wifi adapter? would it possibly work then?
[03:34] <k3xenn> could do, but you would want to make sure its is compatible with ubuntu
[03:34] <k3xenn> how old is the laptop?
[03:34] <Hubacub> k3xenn, like, 2007
[03:34] <NimaNikvand> Hi
[03:34] <Hubacub> it's an hp compaq 6910p
[03:35] <NimaNikvand> This is my first time ever on IRC
[03:35] <NimaNikvand> what's up?
[03:35] <Hubacub> NimaNikvand, welcome
[03:35] <NimaNikvand> Hi Hubacub. I wondered what IRC was since 2001, never tried it tho
[03:35] <Hubacub> ah
[03:36] <NimaNikvand> finally installed ubuntu last month and tried it :-D
[03:36] <Viking667> lol. ... and I've been on IRC (on and off) since 1996
[03:36] <NimaNikvand> wow
[03:36] <Viking667> Ubuntu I've had since 5.04
[03:36] <somsip> !ot | NimaNikvand Viking667 (chat best taken elsewhere)
[03:36] <k3xenn> Hubacub can you check that the wireless is enabled in the bios?
[03:37] <k3xenn> Here is a google cache version of people have the same problem when running windows
[03:37] <k3xenn> https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:oH7x6RuHVVwJ:h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-HP-ProBook-ZBook/6910p-Wireless-Will-Not-Turn-On/td-p/952016+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au
[03:37] <Hubacub> yeah, I will
[03:37] <Viking667> I wanted to know what I should check out. gedit's starting automatically and I have no idea why.
[03:37] <k3xenn> looks like HP have locked down their support forum but the cached version gets around it
[03:37] <NimaNikvand> you guys are real geeks
[03:37] <NimaNikvand> i am just a noob
[03:37] <k3xenn> appears others are have same problems
[03:37] <Viking667> oh, sorry. just upgraded to 15.04 from 14.04 to 14.10 to 15.04
[03:38] <k3xenn> so i dont think its ubuntu
[03:38] <somsip> NimaNikvand: this channel is for ubuntu support, so it tends to be quite techy in what is discussed. Feel free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:38] <k3xenn> i think it might be the laptop
[03:38] <jordany> hello
[03:38] <k3xenn> Hubacub not sure if this helps: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/44455-43-turn-wireless-6910p
[03:39] <jordany> i am researching a thread for elemetary os
[03:39] <somsip> !elementary | jordany
[03:40] <jordany> thank you
[03:41] <eigma> 14.04.3, gnome-session --session=ubuntu, compiz, unity, my screen blanking after a certain timeout has been broken for a while. is this the right place to ask? anyone know how this stuff works?
[03:41] <jnxd> Hello. Does anyone else also face a kernel "oops" after updating to the latest 3.19.0-31-generic on vivid?
[03:44] <NimaNikvand> :)
[03:45] <Hubacub> k3xenn,  I restored the system defaults, now the error is gone
[03:45] <Hubacub> thanks for the help
[03:45] <NimaNikvand> close
[03:46] <jordany> hello They know some thread for deep web
[03:46] <somsip> !log
[03:48] <jnxd> ... Also, does someone know how to make sure the system boots from a specific older kernel everytime it loads?
[03:50] <k3xenn> Hubacub No problems :)
[03:50] <k3xenn> Hubacub: id say a few people have had that problem :(
[03:50] <Hubacub> k3xenn, seems so
[03:50] <Hubacub> glad it was an easy fix
[03:52] <k3xenn> Hubacub: yeah ive been caught out with it on other peoples laptops, at least ubuntu told you what was wrong. others just show no networks nearby :(
[03:54] <wileee> jnxd, you would adjust 'GRUB_DEFAULT=0' to the kernel you want in /etc/default/grub   0 is the default kernel
[03:55] <jnxd> wileee: thanks. Do you know if the problem has occured before, and how long before a fix is released?
[03:56] <wileee> jnxd, Not sure anyone here knows what you mean is all, details, details.
[03:57] <k3xenn> Hi People, i accidently ran pvcreate on a drive i need, due to drive letters moving about. Anyone know how to restore the drive it is ext4?
[03:57] <k3xenn> ive been following this: http://dbaspot.com/linux-misc/263673-lvm-possible-undo-pvcreate.html but the drive still says its part of a lvm group. do i need to use fdisk to change the partition type?
[03:59] <jnxd> wilee: well, all I know is there's a "kernel oops" that's happening. The visible effect is: 5-10 minutes after starting the PC, it hangs completely: no mouse or keyboard input does anything. It just stays there until I forcefully power off the system.
[04:00] <root____3> hi
[04:01] <wileee> jnxd, Sure, hopefully someone will answer, kinda the slower part of the channel time maybe.
[04:02] <reisio> hi root
[04:03] <jnxd> wileee: yeah. Europe would be asleep (or gaming :D). Most of the US too.
[04:03] <reisio> 's'true
[04:03] <reisio> worse in 3 hours, though
[04:04] <jnxd> reisio: what's in 3 hours?
[04:04] <reisio> more people asleep
[04:04] <Viking667> sunrise in UK
[04:04] <Viking667> hm, hang on, that's in 2 hours.
[04:04] <jnxd> reisio: the west coast?
[04:04] <reisio> they'll be going to work
[04:05] <reisio> jnxd: east
[04:05] <reisio> four hours from now is roughly the worst time to get online help in English
[04:05] <reisio> or do anything online in English
[04:06] <Viking667> And that's when helpers in New Zealand and Australia are worth their weight in .... HP50Gs.
[04:06] <reisio> those are fine places, but the vast majority of speakers will be asleep
[04:07] <jnxd> reisio: I doubt there's any other language one usually communicates in online. The east asian ones, maybe?
[04:07] <reisio> jnxd: don't be silly :p
[04:07] <jnxd> reisio: ?
[04:07] <reisio> sup
[04:07] <Viking667> Gah. I've just rebooted, automatically logged in, and gedit starts without me doing anything. I'm ... stumped.
[04:07] <bildbergboost> How long until we can see the 4.2.3 hwe for precise?
[04:08] <jnxd> well, okay maybe there are. But they fall in roughly the same time zones
[04:08] <reisio> Viking667: it's saved in your session
[04:08] <wileee> Viking667, xubuntu?
[04:08] <Viking667> nope, normal Ubuntu. I'll look at that, thanks. How do I clear the session?
[04:09] <reisio> Viking667: start with closing gedit, then logging out, then back in
[04:09] <Viking667> I'll try that. logging back in now.
[04:09] <Viking667> hm. No pointer. now how the heck do I turn THAT back on? (login screen)
[04:10] <reisio> Viking667: move your mouse around
[04:11] <Viking667> I do. There's no pointer visible.
[04:11] <Viking667> I'm assuming it'd be the gdm user at this stage...
[04:11] <skwishy> can anyone confirm, does ubuntu 14.04 install well on the newest macbook air?
[04:12] <reisio> Viking667: visible when logged in?
[04:12] <reisio> skwishy: newest isn't a thing
[04:12] <reisio> but it probably does
[04:13] <skwishy> reisio: what do you mean? I'm pretty sure there was a release, 2014 or 2015 version
[04:13] <cfhowlett> !mac | skwishy
[04:13] <reisio> I mean 'newest' is meaningless
[04:13] <reisio> you might as well say "this computer I found at east 47th street"
[04:14] <cfhowlett> or do like I do; grab a quiet corner of the Apple Store, slip in a usb and boot up.  Points if you leave the ubuntu desktop running and casually slip out the door
[04:14] <skwishy> reisio: hmm, then I'm confused about how apple does things
[04:14] <reisio> presumably they would disable booting if they didn't want you to do that
[04:14] <reisio> but maybe they just assume Apple people don't know how :p
[04:14] <cfhowlett> skwishy, read the mac wiki I just sent
[04:14] <skwishy> cfhowlett: cool, I'm reading it now
[04:15] <skwishy> cfhowlett: thanks in adavance btw!
[04:15] <cfhowlett> happy2help! skwishy
[04:18] <Viking667> reisio: yes. Sorry about the delay, I'm trying to get the pointer back in the login screen.
[04:19] <reisio> Viking667: might want to pick one problem
[04:19] <Viking667> I may have found an unorthodox solution. I'll be back if it works.
[04:24] <Viking667> hm, nope. Doesn't work at login (gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.cursor active false)
[04:24] <reisio> unlikely GNOME settings are affecting lightdm
[04:25] <reisio> it's possible the default cursor is configured to something nonexistant, though
[04:25] <MAIN> can anyone please help me setup my ftp server using filezilla? I've tried using many tutorials but I cant get it to access from the internet
[04:26] <reisio> MAIN: just use sshd
[04:26] <reisio> more secure, less work
[04:26] <Ben64> and filezilla is a client
[04:27] <MAIN> filezilla has a server setup as well
[04:27] <MAIN> anyways I will try sshd right away
[04:27] <MAIN> thanks sshd :)
[04:27] <MAIN> ooops
[04:27] <MAIN> I mean thanks reisio :)
[04:28] <Ben64> filezilla server is windows only
[04:28] <MAIN> yes I am using Windows 7
[04:28] <MAIN> sorry I dint find Windows channel I am new to irc
[04:28] <Ben64> ask windows questions in ##windows ... you're in #ubuntu
[04:28] <MAIN> thank you Ben64
[04:29] <reisio> MAIN: openssh-server
[04:29] <Ben64> reisio: doesn't help for windows :)
[04:29] <reisio> no matter to me
[04:35] <Viking667> reisio: this isn't lightdm, it's gdm.
[04:35] <Viking667> lightdm ... had some issues on my machine in 14.04
[04:35] <huscurian> Is there any way to resolve freezing when it happens on Ubuntu?
[04:38] <Viking667> haaang on.... I found something in /var/lib/gdm/.local/share/gnome-shell/application_state: <application id="abiword.desktop" open-window-count=1 ......>
[04:39] <Viking667> I'm pretty sure that's not supposed to be there.
[04:39] <reisio> Viking667: why're you pretty sure
[04:39] <reisio> and why do you care
[04:39] <reisio> huscurian: you'll have to be more specific
[04:40] <Viking667> well, because it un-nerves me when applications start up without me telling them to do so, especially one I didn't start.
[04:40] <Viking667> (and it's abiword i meant, not gedit, sorry about that)
[04:41] <huscurian> reisio: I had some problems.  I was doing well on Ubuntu.  I had several tabs, at least 10-15...  :P  But all of a sudden Ubuntu freezes.  Is there a way to resolve the freezing?
[04:41] <Viking667> to answer your first question, what would gdm need abiword for?
[04:42] <reisio> huscurian: browser tabs?
[04:42] <Viking667> oh. Now "start" and "stop" won't work for the root user.
[04:42] <reisio> huscurian: you probably opened a website with something awful
[04:42] <reisio> huscurian: try to avoid that
[04:43] <Viking667> "stop: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused"
[04:43] <reisio> Viking667: you got yourself a lot of problems
[04:43] <reisio> Viking667: it's pretty obvious from reading it
[04:43] <Viking667> yeah.
[04:43] <Viking667> makes me wonder what netstat would show.
[04:43] <reisio> Viking667: it's just the session's reckoning of what abiword is up to last time you saved session
[04:44] <reisio> that's a reach :p
[04:44] <Viking667> why's that data stored in gdm's user session?
[04:44] <Viking667> Anyhow, I'll go check out whether upstart's running.
[04:45] <m321> hi room, anyone familiar with pidgin for aim and best way to check if socks5 proxy is working?
[04:45] <reisio> probably because gdm is involved in GNOME's session manager
[04:45] <reisio> don't try to look for sanity in GNOME
[04:52] <m321> think netstat was my answer to a unrelated question
[04:52] <m321> weird tho i sign on pidgin with use local server checked or not, same socks5 settings
[04:53] <m321> aol's server
[04:56] <pmaxk> hi
[04:57] <m321> hello
[04:58] <Viking667> Nope. abiword's just started up. I suspect gdm's involved.
[04:58] <Viking667> thankfully I think I know how to fix that.
[04:58] <in_deep_thought> does anyone know if a ventrilo client exists for ubuntu?
[04:59] <Viking667> that's a voicechat program, isn't it?
[04:59] <in_deep_thought> I can see the server here: http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php
[04:59] <in_deep_thought> yeah
[05:07] <Viking667> ouch. systemd-logind: failed to start user service: Unknown unit: user@0.service
[05:08] <huscurian> reisio: It froze a while back.  I had only 3 tabs open.
[05:08] <huscurian> So I had to manually turn off and reboot the PC.  Any idea why Ubuntu freezes?
[05:09] <vinod777> Hi, after I installed fglrx drivers, I could switch between discrete and integrated gpus without any problem.....
[05:09] <vinod777> ....But later after a Ubuntu update, I couldn't switch, black screen after login.
[05:10] <vinod777> So is there anything I have to do to fglrx after ubuntu update
[05:12] <vinod777> Hi, after I installed fglrx drivers, I could switch between discrete and integrated gpus without any problem.....
[05:12] <vinod777> ....But later after a Ubuntu update, I couldn't switch, black screen after login.
[05:12] <vinod777> So is there anything I have to do to fglrx after ubuntu update
[05:16] <avb> Hi
[05:18] <avb> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/HvWMGhMJ
[05:18]  * Viking667 gives up for the moment. clearly I have issues 
[05:19] <guest42> Odd question, but does anyone know where the per-user calibration information is stored for tablets? I calibrated my working tablet and now it's a mess
[05:20] <Viking667> I've no idea, sorry... I just bought one and it's ... proven an "interesting" purchase to get working under Ubuntu.
[05:21] <mojtaba> Hi, I just restart my computer and now keepass2 does not run. Does anybody know what should I do? :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/12712182/
[05:24] <guest42> It's worse cause it teased me. It worked on my login screen just fine. Then I logged in.
[05:28] <cookiezi> excuse me
[05:41] <the_disciple> hello
[05:41] <m321> hi
[05:42] <mandroid> Ave
[05:42] <mandroid> Any Ubuntu recipees?
[05:43] <mandroid> Ubuntu a la mode f.i.
[05:44] <mandroid> Maybe eat it raw. In a salad.
[05:45] <somsip> mandroid: enough silliness. Do you have a support question?
[05:46] <mandroid> Lemmy think.
[05:47] <mandroid> Cooking one up. Giggles
[05:47] <guest42> Okay, so I may have found an answer to my main question, for the "Making Wacomcpl Settings Restore on Reboot" section of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/X61T , does it work the other way around? Like I remove a hash and it forgets an already existant calibration?
[05:48] <guest42> Or does this have to do with whether or not it saves, so doing so will just make it so if I stumble across the correct calibration, it will remove it?
[05:49] <tag> Since my update earlier, my wireless doesn't work
[05:49] <guest42> Oh, never mind. Just realized that's not going to do what I want it to at all.
[05:51] <tag> Running 15.04 — the main thing that changed was the fact that I updated ubuntu. http://sprunge.us/SWCg?txt
[05:51] <xahn> I love ubuntu
[05:53] <m321> 15.04 will outdate soon right?
[05:53] <mojtaba> Hi, I just restart my computer and now keepass2 does not run. Does anybody know what should I do? :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/12712182/
[05:54] <m321> gksudo it maybe?
[05:54] <somsip> !15.04 | m321
[05:54] <tag> Now it's saying "Oct  7 22:54:03 savoy NetworkManager[671]: <info> (wlan0): device state change: config -> failed (reason 'ssid-not-found') [50 120 53]" but phone jumps on the same network no problem
[05:55] <m321> i liked that it worked best with my conky but switch because everyone claims LTS for long term... i had better luck with 15.04 tho will keep in mind
[05:59] <m321> wish i stook with 15.04 now thanks guys heh
[06:04] <fedora_newb> rsync -avpz --exclude "public/.htaccess" ~/clone/ groupvitals@11.111.111.111:~/website keep getting rsync: failed to set times on "/home/groupvitals/website/.": Operation not permitted (1). When I add -O, it fixes this error, then I get permissions denied errors.
[06:05] <fedora_newb> Server was just reinstalled, so I am thinking that this is some sort of permission issue but not sure
[06:05] <fedora_newb> Any ideas?
[06:07] <HackSmash> is there a known issue / work around for Chromium not opening Evolution Email when clicking a Mailto: link ??
[06:07] <m321> chmod? ;x
[06:08] <tux_> hello
[06:08] <m321> wow tux himself your my wallpaper
[06:08] <tux_> anyone know how to setup a remote access in my ubuntu (which is installed in a vmware under host OS win7)?
[06:08] <tux_> i am the fake tux underscore
[06:09] <m321> missed that darn :(
[06:09] <m321> anyone know the history of why a penguin? lol
[06:10] <tux_> haha
[06:10] <tux_> yeah curious, but can't complain best mascot ever!
[06:10] <m321> very true id wear a hat with tux on it any day
[06:11] <m321> holding some heavy weaponry preferably
[06:11] <tux_> what's sad is most people won't even know what he means
[06:11] <tux_> girls be like awww cute penguin lol
[06:11] <m321> thats kinda cool tho if a few do they would feel special lol
[06:12] <m321> shit if it said linux still most people won't know what it means :x
[06:12] <m321> so weird
[06:12] <m321> windows should have a real fear but i don't think they care
[06:12] <Flannel> m321: Linus is fond of penguins.  Which is as good of a reason as any.  But for continued non-support discussion, please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic, thanks :)
[06:13] <m321> when i was a kid they built comps with win modems to force peep off linux now people don't need that help
[06:14] <m321> cool thanks, just add it is a great mascot sorry did not know about that channel
[06:31] <arcjon> any from ph here?
[06:38] <acosonic> Hi, how can I figure out which group is identified by number
[06:39] <acosonic> figured out
[06:39] <acosonic> cat /etc/group
[06:40] <lars_bauer> acosonic, :o)
[07:07] <cluts> hey i need help
[07:08] <Guest35521> I'm trying to replace the midori icon in the Faenza icon theme with one I like more.  I have png files ranging from 16 to 48px, but not 64, 96, or svg.  I copied the files over the existing files in /usr/share/icons/Faenza/...  but no joy..the icons aren't changing in my menu.  I assume it's still using one of the 64px+ sizes or svg.  Is there anything I can do to make it work right?
[07:09] <cluts> i was trying to get minecraft to work and the tutorial i was watching said to do "sudo shred /" now my pc wont work, anyone know how to fix?
[07:10] <Guest35521> troll much?
[07:10] <cluts> no? i need help
[07:10] <Guest35521> post a link to the tutorial
[07:10] <m321> shred /  really???
[07:11] <Guest35521> troll...
[07:11] <m321> yea was pretty obvious even to newbie like me.
[07:16] <wangsansan> hello.
[07:34] <stukdev> hi, i setup a dns server, and in custom log i set file = "/var/log/named/default.log" versions 3 size 5m; but the log file now is at 50Mega..and is not truncate why?
[07:41] <x4w3> Guten morgen
[07:53] <Guest35521> will removing a svg icon from my icon theme force the use of a png icon by launchers and the menu?
[07:57] <mojtaba> Hi, I just restart my computer and now keepass2 does not run. Does anybody know what should I do? :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/12712182/
[08:09] <mohamed> Hi
[08:09] <mohamed> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12712786/
[08:09] <davinsky07> hello mohamed
[08:09] <Guest8395> This is a script for uploading file using ftp
[08:10] <Guest8395> I see that the file is uploaded right now
[08:10] <Guest8395> but the script doesn't exit
[08:10] <Guest8395> Why
[08:10] <Guest8395> 15 minute and the script is still run
[08:10] <vape> Guest8395: put "bye" at the end
[08:11] <vape> Guest8395: http://stackoverflow.com/a/936227
[08:11] <Guest8395> I did previously so I tried to replace bye with exit
[08:11] <Guest8395> bye has the same effect
[08:11] <vape> Guest8395: How are you running/invoking the script?
[08:11] <Guest8395> ./ftp_backup.sh
[08:11] <Guest8395> vape, like that
[08:15] <Guest8395> So?
[08:15] <Guest8395> I have the script running in the background till now:
[08:15] <Guest8395> [1]+  Running                 ./ftp.sh &> /dev/null &
[08:16] <Guest8395> and the file reaches its size in the remote host
[08:24] <aleecode> hi all
[08:43] <oo_miguel> Can someone help me look at the smartctl output for my two harddisks. I ran the extended offline tests and for me everything seems fine,   but I would be glad to hear a second opinion: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12712886/
[08:53] <dbolser_> hihi
[08:53] <dbolser_> I can use debtree to get a dep graph for a single package, but can I get the graph for all installe packages?
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> dbolser_: whats your end goal with this?
[08:55] <dbolser_> hi lotuspsychje
[08:55] <dbolser_> I want to see 'leaf' packages to try to randomly trim some cruft...
[08:55] <dbolser_> also, I like looking at graphs ;-)
[08:55] <R4BB1T> hello how to make my nickname permanently?
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> !register | R4BB1T
[08:56] <dbolser_> R4BB1T: /msg nickserv help
[08:56] <R4BB1T> i try command from google but ist not work
[08:56] <R4BB1T> ok thanks
[08:56] <lotuspsychje> dbolser_: something like pstree but for installed stuff?
[08:56] <dbolser_> also, I find many installed packages with both amd64 and i386 arch
[08:57] <dbolser_> lotuspsychje: not really...
[08:57] <dbolser_> just a graph of package dependency for all installed packages
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> dbolser_: best way is to uninstall stuff from software center
[08:57] <dbolser_> can I safely remove all the i386 packages?
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> dbolser_: no
[08:57] <lotuspsychje> dbolser_: its not reccomended to uninstall random stuff like that
[08:58] <dbolser_> lotuspsychje: lol
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> dbolser_: always start with the main package name to uninstall
[08:58] <dbolser_> lotuspsychje: what I mean is, all the i386 packages where there is an amd64 equiv
[08:58] <lotuspsychje> dbolser_: did you install stuff you shouldnt?
[08:59] <dbolser_> no
[08:59] <dbolser_> or yes... if you consider mint a...
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> dbolser_: then leave the system as it is :p
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> dbolser_: your on mint?
[08:59] <dbolser_> don't mess with stuff? unpossible!
[08:59] <dbolser_> yes
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> !mint | dbolser_ sorry
[08:59] <dbolser_> but didn't find teh channel right away
[08:59] <dbolser_> ty
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> dbolser_: feel free to install an ubuntu version from topic
[09:00] <dbolser_> lotuspsychje: who makes the rules you adhere to blindly ;-P
[09:00] <dbolser_> seriously though, thanks for tips
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> dbolser_: its a sugestion, not a rule
[09:00] <r4bb1t> i try how to register on website
[09:00] <r4bb1t> but it's not work
[09:00] <lotuspsychje> r4bb1t: join #freenode please
[09:00] <dbolser_> r4bb1t: nickserv takes a bit of reading, but it's solid
[09:02] <hateball> oo_miguel: the read errors and relocated sector numbers dont look too good, if they are correct
[09:03] <Guest8395> FILETAR="file_`date +%Y_%m_%d`.tar"
[09:03] <Guest8395> I got this error
[09:03] <Guest8395> v
[09:03] <Guest8395> line 36: date: command not found
[09:06] <oo_miguel> hateball: hmmm. still the "VALUE" is over 100 and vendor-specific "THRESH" is 006...  for the Raw_Read_Error_Rate, if this is what you refer to, but I do not really know how to interpret this.
[09:10] <hateball> oo_miguel: are the drives misbehaving in any way then?
[09:11] <oo_miguel> hateball: One was thrown out of the raid due to read errors, but I believe this happened due to a loose cable.
[09:12] <oo_miguel> Now I am trying to judge if there is reason to worry about the drives itself.
[09:16] <onaforeignshore> hi. I was wondering if you could help me. I have a ubuntu server 12.04 running inside a windows domain (samba / sssd) but there is a problem with accessing the internet. It works for a few moments after the network connects, but then can't resolve anything so gives Unable to connect. I need to use this server as a web proxy in our school, so need to resolve this problem
[09:17] <lotuspsychje> onaforeignshore: maybe the ##networking guys can troubleshoot first where this comes from?
[09:18] <onaforeignshore> I would think so too, but ping works, it's just the browser / proxy that has an issue...
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> onaforeignshore: wich proxy is in use?
[09:19] <onaforeignshore> want  to use Squid
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> onaforeignshore: maybe the network is blocked by router somehow?
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> onaforeignshore: ask the ##networking guys, they used to this
[09:20] <onaforeignshore> thanks
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> onaforeignshore: come back if it seems like an ubuntu specific issue
[09:25] <hhee> hi there. where i can find proper file to change pidgin default theme? in previous system in was in  .purple . named - GTKrc-2.0
[09:26] <hhee> but ubuntu 14.04 - have not this file
[09:26] <hhee> i create this one manually, but it does not work
[09:27] <hhee> i find /etc/gkt*   directories, put file there, but not working too
[09:29] <hhee> lines , which i droped in file, checked earlier and correctly
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> !info pidgin-themes | hhee maybe this can help?
[09:36] <Slave488_> I/part
[09:39] <iszak> If I have a user who is running a process and I delete that user, what will happen?
[09:40] <Ben64> process will continue i'm pretty sure
[09:41] <onaforeignshore> lotuspsychje, it is a Winblows - Linux issue
[09:42] <lotuspsychje> onaforeignshore: yeah im following networking :p
[09:42] <onaforeignshore> I saw you join
[09:42] <kruger> hi, i've recompiled the vmlinuz.efi, but i'm unable to boot the dvd in the uefi mode, i'm kicked in busybox shell (initramfs). In bios mode boot fine. Someone can help me?
[09:55] <pojles> hello there, I turned on the computer and went to file manager, selected a file (libre office spreadsheet) and clicked on it to open. then 2 files opened! another text file opened alongside in "unsaved" state as in my last session. how can this be?
[09:56] <David__________> Hi I got error while using ntpdate
[09:56] <David__________> ntpdate[2964]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[09:57] <David__________> please sugest hoe to update
[09:57] <pojles> and this was not a session that started with a libre office window at the beginning about rescuing files from last session
[09:57] <David__________> ntpdate[2964]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[09:58] <JethroTux> got stage-frightned DAMN!!
[09:59] <David__________> ntpdate[2964]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[10:09] <David__________> ntpdate[2964]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[10:09] <David__________> ntpdate[2964]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[10:09] <David__________> ntpdate[2964]: no server suitable for synchronization foundntpdate[2964]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[10:09] <David__________> ntpdate[2964]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[10:09] <David__________> ntpdate[2964]: no server suitable for synchronization found
[10:10] <cfhowlett> David__________, I really suggest you stop doing that nonsense.
[10:11] <vape> David__________: sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org
[10:22] <diffract|> if i want to clone a parition with dd, does the destination partition need to be the same size as the source? or does it only have to contain enough space for the files?
[10:23] <venkat_330> guidinace in running chrome under ROOT login
[10:23] <bazhang> venkat_330, dont login as root
[10:23] <hhee> guys about root
[10:24] <bazhang> venkat_330, dont even enable it
[10:24] <k1l> diffract|: dd will stop when it runs out of space on the target.
[10:24] <hhee> which difference between ubuntu and others linux distro, in case of right way to using account?
[10:24] <k1l> diffract|: so bigger is better :)
[10:24] <hateball> !root
[10:25] <hhee> where can i find best practice about this?
[10:25] <bazhang> !manuals | hhee have a read
[10:25] <bazhang> !manual
[10:26] <k1l> hhee: ubuntu uses strictly sudo. just forget about the "hey i am cool and a linux guru i run root all the time" stuff and use a regular user and sudo or gksu when needed root permissions
[10:27] <hhee> tnx tnx tnx :)
[10:27] <hhee> a lto of info there
[10:27] <hhee> lot*
[10:29] <hhee> but buys, how about cron scripts those need run from root?
[10:30] <hateball> hhee: "sudo crontab -e" will make a root crontab, or you can "sudo nano /etc/crontab"
[10:30] <hhee> hateball: oh tnx
[10:32] <Thorax> Hi al. Ive added a PPA for Audacious so i can grab the latest beta. How do i install audacious from that PPA?
[10:33] <bazhang> Thorax, added how
[10:33] <Thorax> entered via terminal
[10:33] <bazhang> what command Thorax
[10:33] <Thorax> sudo add-apt-repository
[10:34] <Thorax> then apt-get-update
[10:34] <bazhang> did you apt update and upgrade following that Thorax
[10:35] <bazhang> apt-get thorax update has no dash preceding it
[10:35] <Thorax> No i know, i did in the terminal though
[10:35] <Thorax> I just typed it here quick
[10:35] <Thorax> It has done the update
[10:35] <bazhang> so upgrade then install
[10:35] <Thorax> But wont that install everything in that PPA?
[10:36] <bazhang> first upgrade then install audacious
[10:36] <Thorax> https://launchpad.net/~nilarimogard/+archive/ubuntu/webupd8
[10:36] <bazhang> tell it what to install Thorax
[10:36] <Thorax> what just sudo apt-get install audacious?
[10:37] <bazhang> Thorax, have you first done apt upgrade
[10:37] <Thorax> Yeah
[10:37] <hateball> Thorax: if you run apt-cache policy audacious you can see which repo it will use for that package
[10:37] <bazhang> so then the command you just used Thorax
[10:38] <Thorax> ahh cool, cheers hatefull, that was gonna be my next question
[10:38] <bazhang> full?
[10:38] <Thorax> hahaha, MY EYES
[10:38] <Thorax> Sorry hateball
[10:39] <k1l> Thorax: tip: use tab-key to let nicknames auto-complete :)
[10:39] <Thorax> I know k1l , I just didnt that one time haha
[10:40] <Thorax> So i ran "apt-cache policy audacious" and it showed the ubuntu and the ppa sources
[10:40] <Thorax> How do i tell it to just use the ppa?
[10:40] <Thorax> or will it just check the version number and grab the latest?
[10:40] <k1l> Thorax: please put the whole output into a pastebin and link that here
[10:40] <bazhang> tab complete the package name Thorax
[10:41] <bazhang> bash has tab complete too
[10:41] <hhee> :)
[10:41] <Thorax> dunno what you mean bazhang
[10:42] <bazhang> Thorax, terminal audacious tab key
[10:42] <bazhang> just as in irc tab complete nickname Thorax
[10:42] <Thorax> doesnt do anything...
[10:42] <Thorax> Atleast not after typing audacious
[10:43] <k1l> !paste | Thorax put the output of "apt-cache policy audacious" there
[10:43] <Thorax> k1l, I am going too i just havnt got hexchat on my ubuntu machine just yet
[10:44] <k1l> you could manually put the link over to that other pc. should not be too much to type
[10:45] <Thorax_> http://pastebin.com/KtwuF2MR
[10:48] <Thorax> You see that k1l, or bazhang ?
[10:50] <k1l> Thorax: yes
[10:50] <Thorax> So if i just do "sudo apt-get install audacious" which will it pick?
[10:51] <k1l> Thorax: so it got the ppa. but that version is 3.6.2-1 and in the ubuntu repo is already 3.5.2.
[10:51] <k1l> do you need that version 3.6.2?
[10:51] <Thorax> Well i wanted the latest, thats why i added that ppa
[10:52] <k1l> well, wanting the latest and greatest is fine. but you loose the stable support from ubuntu then.
[10:52] <Thorax> I understand that
[10:53] <k1l> so if you want to install that fomr the PPA just go with "sudo apt-get install audacious" it will pick the latest
[10:53] <bazhang> you depend on that sole ppa maintainer from now Thorax
[10:53] <Thorax> Yeah i know how that works bazhang
[10:53] <bazhang> they dont go for a wily , then thats over
[10:53] <Thorax> I just want sure how to pick which one to install or if it would just grab the newest
[10:54] <k1l> Thorax: it will grab the highest version number.
[10:54] <Thorax> Thankyou, that is all i wanted to know
[11:01] <Thorax_> ffs... using the function keys on my laptop. It switches between adjusting the system volume AND VLC's volume as and when it wants.
[11:02] <Thorax_> Turn it all the way up and it adjusts vlc, turn it down it doesnt
[11:03] <jak2000> why cant do an update on my server: http://pastie.org/10467885   thanks
[11:03] <jak2000> any advice?
[11:04] <halp1> (Lubuntu 15.04) I have a problem with Phoronix Test Suite 5.8.1. Running phoronix-test-suite 5.8.1 gives me ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED errors in Chrome. Running netstat -nta showed my localhost was on port 631, but editing <WebSocketPort> in user-config.xml to 631 doesn't get rid of the error. I don't know what to try next.
[11:04] <halp1> *Sorry, the command I run is phoronix-test-suite gui. I don't know why I typed '5.8.1' twice
[11:05] <jak2000> halp1 any advice?
[11:05] <halp1> Huh?
[11:05] <jak2000> see please: http://pastie.org/10467890
[11:05] <halp1> It says there is no pastie.
[11:05] <k1l> jak2000: what did you do?
[11:06] <k1l> jak2000: did you change users?
[11:07] <k1l> jak2000: see the dmesg if there is a hardware issue with the disk
[11:07] <jak2000> http://pastie.org/10467890
[11:07] <jak2000> uuu need reinstall?
[11:09] <OerHeks> Sorry, there is no pastie #10467890 or it has been removed. Why not create a new pastie?
[11:10] <sep_alicia> jak2000: System update might be running in the background and have the package manager locked
[11:10] <jak2000> http://pastie.org/10467890
[11:10] <Salambo> Hello, is there an official Ubuntu live-usb download available?
[11:10] <k1l> Salambo: its the regular ubuntu.iso
[11:11] <OerHeks> !aptlock
[11:11] <k1l> jak2000: what did you do before that error happend? did you look into dmesh for server disk issues?
[11:11] <k1l> jak2000: you need to answer the questions to make us help you
[11:11] <sep_alicia> jak2000: If there is nothing else running, sometimes a crash can cause the lock file to not be deleted. In that case, you would just delete the lock file. /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[11:12] <Salambo> k1l: there is only one image?
[11:13] <k1l> Salambo: choose one version, 64bit. http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/
[11:14] <jak2000> k1l, sebastianlutter: OerHeks: http://pastebin.com/wUMeNSAw
[11:14] <Salambo> k1l: got it, thank you!
[11:14] <k1l> jak2000: do you even read what we say?
[11:16] <sep_alicia> k1l: Probably not if you're asking in that manner. :o
[11:16] <OerHeks> k1l, jak2000 is pasting in multiple channels
[11:18] <jak2000> yes
[11:18] <jak2000> k1l yes
[11:18] <k1l> sep_alicia: see backlog. was not the first time i asked for more informations to help. but when the user is not interested i back off
[11:19] <sep_alicia> k1l: ok
[11:19] <sep_alicia> k1l: i understand
[11:21] <mahingoc> sep_alicia: understand
[11:21] <sep_alicia> overstand :)
[11:22] <jak2000> but: sudo rm -f /var/lib/apt/lists/lock   tell me: rm: cannot remove ‘/var/lib/apt/lists/lock’: Read-only file system  always i get this error: sudo: unable to open /var/lib/sudo/jak/0: No such file or directory
[11:23] <sep_alicia> jak2000: rm: cannot remove ‘/var/lib/apt/lists/lock’: Read-only file system
[11:23] <sep_alicia> jak2000: The file system has been mounted read-only for some reason, which means files can neither be created or deleted
[11:23] <jak2000> i try change the permission to 777 but get same error:
[11:23] <jak2000> ok
[11:23] <mahingoc> jak2000: time to bring out the BAN HAMMER on you
[11:23] <digitsm> Hello
[11:24] <jak2000> mahingoc?
[11:24] <OerHeks> mahingoc, please stop that, be helpfull.
[11:24] <digitsm> I have a special problem which I hope you can helpe me
[11:24] <jak2000> sep_alicia thanks
[11:24] <mahingoc> digitsm: hi chump
[11:25] <digitsm> I want to install a Xubuntu on my external USB3 harddrive. But my PC doesn't have any onboard USB3 port
[11:25] <sep_alicia> jak2000: Have you any idea why the system might be read-only?
[11:25] <jak2000> not
[11:25] <jak2000> its a vps
[11:25] <jak2000> restarting and
[11:25] <jak2000> seeing
[11:25] <sep_alicia> digitsm: use a usb2 port instead?
[11:25] <sep_alicia> jak2000: ok
[11:25] <k1l> digitsm: usb3 is compatible with usb2. its just slow as hell (usb2) then
[11:25] <OerHeks> jak2000, seems there is a problem with one/more partitions, run fsck on your hdd to repair, and reboot.
[11:25] <digitsm> sep_alicia, But I want the speed of USB3
[11:26] <OerHeks> that is why it is read only now.
[11:26] <digitsm> I have recently bought a USB PCIe card and installed it on my PC
[11:26] <digitsm> But I can't boot from it.
[11:26] <sep_alicia> digitsm: I agree with what k1l said
[11:26] <digitsm> I read that BIOS can only boot from its own onboard USB2 ports
[11:27] <ikonia> then there is your limitation
[11:27] <sep_alicia> digitsm: "But I can't boot from it" Seems a hardware issue. idk
[11:27] <shantza> hey
[11:27] <digitsm> sep_alicia, No, I can boot by connecting it to a USB2 port, but it is slow
[11:27] <k1l> digitsm: well, that depends on the bios. but you could make a grub on usb(2.) to boot and link to the usb3 one
[11:28] <digitsm> k1l, How?
[11:28] <ikonia> that will end up in fail, as the usb pre-exe environment will probably not be able to see the usb card for usb3
[11:28] <Mathisen> digitsm, The card itself must support booting, via its own boot ROM
[11:28] <sep_alicia> digitsm: If it will boot from the usb2 port, but not from the usb3 (pcie), then that would seems to be a deficiency in the hardware capabilities
[11:29] <digitsm> I can install a xubuntu on the internal HDD of my PC and then configure its grub specifically. The only thing I want is to be able to boot from PCIe USB3
[11:29] <Mathisen> digitsm, also do a google on " plop boot manager "
[11:30] <digitsm> Mathisen, Yeah, I did that before
[11:30] <sep_alicia> digitsm: If you wanted to be "pro-level", it is possible to have one flash drive in the usb2 slot that boots up grub, and then have grub redirect the boot process to the usb3 drive. ;)
[11:30] <digitsm> plop boot manager currently doesn't support USB3, but plopkexec does
[11:31] <digitsm> sep_alicia, I don't think I would work, because grub won't recognize PCIe USB in this step.
[11:31] <digitsm> sep_alicia, I guess grub will only recognize the devices which BIOS could recognize before
[11:31] <k1l> digitsm: well, then you need to find a different hardware solution or kill that idea to boot that usb3 device
[11:32] <sep_alicia> digitsm: Not necessarily true. Just because the bios won't allow booting device XYZ, that doesn't mean that the bios doesn't see device XYZ.
[11:32] <digitsm> sep_alicia, The recognition of USB3 will be done using USB3 driver in linux kernel, I don't think grub will load any driver itself
[11:33] <digitsm> k1l, You give up early :D
[11:33] <sep_alicia> digitsm: well I'm not a grub pro, so I can't advise further, but if it were my system I would probably give it a go  hehe
[11:34] <digitsm> sep_alicia, I tried for more than 1 weak on this issue, and the only possible solution was "plopkexec". I could boot into a Live Xubuntu USB using plopkexec
[11:34] <digitsm> sep_alicia, I have a Core2Quad system and there isn't any mb supporting USB3 for this CPU.
[11:35] <digitsm> And if I want to buy a USB3 MB, then I have to buy a new Core i3/5/7 system which will be expensive
[11:35] <sep_alicia> digitsm: i see
[11:36] <digitsm> sep_alicia, The author of plop bootloader is working to add USB3 support in plop bootloader 6, but currently only plopkexec works. Its only limitation is that it doesn't support BTRFS (my beloved FS) and it needs Syslinux as bootloader
[11:37] <digitsm> sep_alicia, Is Syslinux used instead of Grub on a Live Ubuntu USB/CD?
[11:37] <digitsm> Because I could successfully boot into Live ubuntu using plopkexec
[11:37] <sep_alicia> digitsm: generally yes, syslinux
[11:38] <sep_alicia> isolinux
[11:38] <digitsm> sep_alicia, Is isolinux one of the tools in Syslinux?
[11:39] <sep_alicia> digitsm: Yeah, same toolset
[11:39] <digitsm> sep_alicia, Hmmm thanks. So if I install Syslinux (in particular Extlinux tool) instead of Grub I should be able to boot using plopkexec
[11:40] <sep_alicia> digitsm: I would try this. Boot into grub, go into grub CLI mode. Then figure out how to list all devices. If it is listed, then there is a very good chance grub can boot it. That's what I would do, though maybe you've tried that already  :)
[11:40] <Stawidy> dyz321420s
[11:41] <sep_alicia> digitsm: "I should be able to boot using plopkexec" I don't think so. As far as I know 'plop' is a bootloader, just like grub and syslinux. Only one can be installed
[11:42] <shredding> what does this line do:  sudo update-rc.d elasticsearch defaults 95 10
[11:42] <shredding> is it enabling starting elasticsearch on startup or is it disabling it?
[11:42] <digitsm> sep_alicia, I have only 3 questions: 1- Do you think Grub can detect my PCIe USB3? (If it can I would use it, bcuz it supports btrfs) 2- How to install Syslinux instead of grub (Plan B) 3- If I install Syslinux and then update kernel, what will happen? Does it update menu automatically?
[11:42] <sep_alicia> shredding: enabling
[11:42] <shredding> sep_alicia: thanks
[11:42] <sep_alicia> shredding: :)
[11:43] <SimonB__> Could anyone possibly advise. I have a 14.04.3 VM on Hyper-V (gen 1) and getting the exact same symptoms as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1470250
[11:44] <digitsm> sep_alicia, I know plop is another bootloader, but as long as I know it contains drivers necessary for detecting various devices (like USB3)
[11:44] <sep_alicia> digitsm: 1. I would think so, but I suggest go to grub cli to find out 2. Instructions on the syslinux site 3. I have no idea lol
[11:44] <digitsm> sep_alicia, And plopkexec is not a bootloader, it is a kernel executer
[11:44] <jnxd> Hello. Does anyone else also face a kernel "oops" after updating to the latest 3.19.0-31-generic on vivid?
[11:45] <digitsm> sep_alicia, Thanks a lot. I will follow those 3 possible solutions.
[11:45] <sep_alicia> digitsm: Ah, ok. I assumed kplop was just an altered version of plop :)
[11:45] <digitsm> sep_alicia, And thanks for suggesting going to grub cli. That didn't came in my mind :D
[11:47] <sep_alicia> SimonB__: I suggest keeping an eye on the url you provided
[11:47] <sep_alicia> SimonB__: Many times a "fix" or "work around" will appear on the bug tracker very early before the problem is fully fixed
[11:48] <sep_alicia> digitsm: Best of luck :)
[11:57] <shantza> Hi, im new to linux, some advice on what should i focus on?
[11:58] <k1l> shantza: start using it :)
[11:58] <sep_alicia> shantza: Welcome to chat :)
[11:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:58] <sep_alicia> Well that was short lived
[11:58] <sep_alicia> hi BluesKaj
[11:58] <BluesKaj> hi sep_alicia
[11:59] <sep_alicia> BluesKaj: Is Ubuntu treating you okay?
[12:02] <BluesKaj> sep_alicia, I'm a Kubuntu user, KDE  desktop and testing 15.10 beta2 atm. It's been a bit of a battle with the the new plasma desktop. My stable OS is Kubuntu 14.04 LTS, which I love. :-)
[12:03] <sep_alicia> BluesKaj: Good point. I would definitely recommend LTS for daily use. :)
[12:07] <jnxd> Hello. Does anyone else also face a kernel "oops" after updating to the latest 3.19.0-31-generic on vivid?
[12:07] <jnxd> Also, does someone know how to make sure the system boots from a specific older kernel everytime it loads?
[12:07] <rohan_> hi
[12:07] <ikonia> change the default in the grub
[12:07] <sep_alicia> ^
[12:07] <ikonia> or remove the problem kernel
[12:07] <sep_alicia> ^
[12:08] <sep_alicia> jnxd: I've not heard of this problem
[12:08] <frib> I set up a router as an access point and I'm able to connect/reach internet with all devices except my laptop with ubuntu, can't resolve DHCP address.  What can I do? thanks
[12:09] <Thorax> Are there really no media players for linux/Ubuntu that are useful like foobar2000?
[12:09] <jnxd> sep_alicia: it started once i restarted the comp after last kernel update yesterday
[12:09] <Guest7946> hmm
[12:10] <sep_alicia> Thorax: I'm not sure what exactly you mean by mediaplayer, but perhaps `plex`
[12:10] <BluesKaj> jnxd, and what is a kernel oops?
[12:10] <sep_alicia> jnxd: The simplest solution would seem to be downgrade to a previous kernel
[12:10] <OerHeks> jnxd, there is a bugreport, with a fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1503647
[12:10] <Thorax> sep_alicia, I mean an audio player. One that has tagging capabilities, file operations, and a simple library viewer
[12:11] <ikonia> Willy is 15.10
[12:11] <ikonia> not 15.04
[12:11] <sep_alicia> Thorax: This might be a stupid question, but have you searched for "linux best audio player"?
[12:12] <OerHeks> ikonia, i see that, but my url is about his *31
[12:12] <Thorax> sep_alicia, ha, yeah i have. The closest I have found is audacity
[12:12] <jnxd> sep_alicia: it'd hang after 10-15 minutes of use, and would need to be rebooted
[12:12] <Thorax> But it doesnt have any tagging capabilities, nor file operations, and the library function on it is just damn right backwards
[12:12] <bazhang> !info audacity | Thorax
[12:12] <ikonia> OerHeks: is that the same actual problem ?
[12:12] <sep_alicia> Thorax: audacity isn't even for playing common audio. it sounds like you got a bad link :)
[12:13] <Thorax> Audacious sorry
[12:13] <Thorax> I always mix thir names
[12:13] <OerHeks> ikonia, yes, 'System hangs with kernel 3.19.0-31'
[12:13] <Thorax> I use Audacity for other stuff haha
[12:13] <ikonia> OerHeks: it looks a totally different description
[12:13] <ikonia> OerHeks: he didn't say system hangs
[12:13] <ikonia> he said he got an oops
[12:13] <Ben64> rhythmbox comes with ubuntu, works great
[12:13] <bazhang> !equivalents | Thorax have a search
[12:14] <ikonia> unless I've missed something in the description
[12:14] <sep_alicia> Thorax: You might require a small separate tool for the tagging? I'm sorry but I haven't experience with what your wanting, so I should probably shutup  :)
[12:14] <vtrev> Thorax: try clementine
[12:14] <jnxd> BluesKaj: Not really sure. That's what Apport has in the auto-generated bug report. Some "...page.." problem at "0xff...", and it was caleld kernel oops.
[12:15] <Ben64> the details would probably help
[12:15] <Thorax> haha, no worries sep_alicia. Thanks for the help
[12:15] <sep_alicia> frib: hi
[12:15] <Thorax> bazhang, I'm not looking for something like foobar. I'm just after a program than can manage a music library and play audio
[12:16] <sep_alicia> frib: Is your laptop able to connect to any other wireless routers?
[12:16] <bazhang> try some Thorax clementine and exaile come to mind
[12:16] <frib> sep_alicia, yes, lots of others.  and i should add that i just tested my phone again today and now (spontaneously) it's no longer able to reach internet via access point
[12:16] <bazhang> only you can decide what is best for you Thorax
[12:16] <bazhang> !info exaile
[12:16] <frib> sep_alicia, it seems like an on-off thing
[12:17] <bazhang> !info clementine
[12:17] <Thorax> haha, yes im well aware of that bazhang. Im just after some thoughts
[12:17] <bazhang> Thorax, try #ubuntu-discuss for polling thanks
[12:17] <sep_alicia> frib: ah, you mean the behavior appears unpredictable
[12:17] <Thorax> Ive used clementine and rythmbox, neither have decent tagging or file management
[12:18] <Thorax> Ahh, aplogies bazhang
[12:18] <Thorax> polling?
[12:19] <sep_alicia> frib: As a direct work around, (until you figure out the problem) you could go into the router and set a static ip address for your router.
[12:19] <sep_alicia> frib: for the laptop
[12:19] <jnxd> OerHeks: Seems it will work. But will I keep getting regular kernel updates after I've installed the deb?
[12:20] <OerHeks> jnxd, i would go back one kernel until it is fixed, as suggested before, but your issue is know.
[12:20] <sep_alicia> jnxd: `apt-mark hold package-name` to prevent upgrades
[12:21] <patrick__> werkt ok
[12:22] <jnxd> OerHeks: and how do I go back one kernel?
[12:23] <auronandace> jnxd: select a previous kernel from grub when you boot
[12:23] <OerHeks> jnxd, hold shift@boot to enter grub, and select previous kernel
[12:25] <jnxd> auronandace: OerHeks: already doing that. I was trying to edit /etc/default/grub, but it didn't seem to work
[12:25] <jnxd> turns out I was editing grub.bak :D
[12:27] <jnxd> Just edited. Rebooting.
[12:30] <sep_alicia> jnxd rebooted and died :(
[12:30] <std> Can someone help me with some issues after last update on 14.04 ?
[12:30] <cfhowlett> !ask | std
[12:31] <sep_alicia> std: I can try, if you promise to keep your std to yourself  :)
[12:31] <std> Thank you :)
[12:31] <jnxd> Okay, seems to work. Set GRUB-DEFAULT to saved.
[12:31] <sep_alicia> jnxd: yay :)
[12:32] <std> So, after last update on 14.04 (yesterday) I cannot start my Unity Desktop (no i'm running on XFCE).
[12:32] <jnxd> std: try this: press shift at startup
[12:32] <std> In unity sistem is very slow, and if i'm trying to Ctrl F1, the sysstem responds very slow, especially when I'm running sudo su commands
[12:33] <cfhowlett> std, how much ram ?
[12:33] <std> 8 GB, i7
[12:33] <jnxd> std: Okay, the problem seems to be different here, ignore me
[12:33] <sep_alicia> std: Create a new user. See if you can login to Unity with the new user- If no, then it's a system problem. If yes, then it's a bad configuration file in your /home
[12:33] <cfhowlett> std, run top or htop to see what's eating your resoruces
[12:33] <std> system worked good until yesterday
[12:34] <std> sep_alicia, i did this, problem persists
[12:34] <std> cfhowlett, i tried top, but there are no processes whats eating resources
[12:34] <sep_alicia> std: Is it possible you unistalled something which accidentally uninstalled unity?
[12:35] <std> nop, anyway, i've reinstalled unity
[12:35] <std> and lightdm
[12:35] <std> and problem persists
[12:35] <std> With xfce system works good
[12:35] <cfhowlett> std, what did you start with?  xubuntu?
[12:36] <sep_alicia> std: Right now, the only thing I can think is that perhaps it's a problem with your 3D support. Are you running Ubuntu 12.04 or 14.04?
[12:36] <std> sep_alicia, 14.04
[12:37] <std> jnxd, where I have to press shift key
[12:37] <std> ?
[12:37] <ioria> std  try the unity test        /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p
[12:37] <EriC^^> std: try running the older kernel
[12:37] <jnxd> std: once you start the pc, keep shift pressed to get GRUB
[12:37] <jnxd> then go to advanced, and select an older kernel
[12:38] <jnxd> yesterday's updates brought with it some rather troublesome problem on my GNOME, but it is pretty different from yours.
[12:39] <sep_alicia> std: I'm sorry I can't help more. It appears you have a system problem. The only thing I can recommend is reinstall
[12:39] <sep_alicia> save /home
[12:39] <std> i've saved mu /home
[12:39] <std> *my
[12:40] <std> i will stay with XFCE for the moment
[12:40] <BluesKaj> kde is as stable as a rock on 14.04 while you poor ppl scramble with unity, gnome and mate to find a decent desktop that works
[12:41] <jnxd> std: what does "uname -r" say?
[12:41] <std> 3.13.0-66-generic
[12:42] <sep_alicia> BluesKaj: I use openbox, and it's more stabler than a rock  hehe  ;) ;)
[12:42] <jnxd> std: fine. Appears to be totally different than mine. 3.19... here
[12:42] <std> now system works good with XFCE
[12:42] <std> i don;t know why unity is wrong
[12:42] <jnxd> BluesKaj: GNOME is stable as a rock for now
[12:43] <EriC^^> std: type lspci -k | grep -A2 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:43] <BluesKaj> sep_alicia, well that's ok too I guess , never tried openbox
[12:43] <sep_alicia> std: Perhaps there is a logfile that can gives more information
[12:43] <jnxd> std: because unity is a rather glued-up bastard, which is only waiting for it's successor to come
[12:43] <std> lspci -k | grep -A2 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:43] <std> http://termbin.com/cet1
[12:44] <xela2244> hi, when i'm trying to change gtk theme for gedit. I went on gedit.desktop and changed the theme, but is not working. Help
[12:44] <EriC^^> std: ok, type dpkg -l | grep linux-headers-3.13.0-66-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:44] <xela2244> i'm using kubuntu 15.04
[12:45] <BluesKaj> jnxd, was never a gnome or unity fan ...the look didn' appeal to me ...guess old windows guys still want a familiar looking desktop :-)
[12:45] <std> dpkg -l | grep linux-headers-3.13.0-66-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:45] <std> http://termbin.com/gbqj
[12:46] <xela2244> how to can i change gtk theme for just one application?
[12:46] <jnxd> BluesKaj: Once you get used to the Overview, there's no turning back as long as you're using a mouse :D
[12:46] <EriC^^> std: ok, try the 65 kernel it might work
[12:47] <sep_alicia> xela2244: run that application as a different user
[12:47] <jnxd> BluesKaj: I did try kubuntu 15.04 (I called it MonkeyKub), but I guess I'll wait till further refinements come
[12:47] <std> ok EriC^^ I will check with kernel 65
[12:48] <std> thank you for the moment
[12:48] <xela2244> sep_alicia: i found this http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/14129/gtk-enable-set-dark-theme-on-a-per-application-basis but is not working
[12:48] <EriC^^> i dunno why i'm still on the 65 kernel here
[12:48] <EriC^^> !info linux-image-generic trusty
[12:48] <EriC^^> hmm how do you have the 65 anyways? std
[12:49] <EriC^^> type apt-cache policy linux-image-generic-3.13.0-66-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:49] <EriC^^> sorry
[12:49] <sep_alicia> xela2244: perhaps try another different theme and see if that works?
[12:49] <LogicalDash> Nautilus has started crashing whenever I connect to this Samba share
[12:49] <EriC^^> apt-cache policy linux-image-3.13.0-66-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:49] <OerHeks> EriC^^, i guess that kernelupdate is pulled, i have no 3.19.0-31 either, which has simular issues
[12:49] <xela2244> sep_alicia:i will try
[12:49] <EriC^^> OerHeks: ohh
[12:49] <EriC^^> that makes sense
[12:49] <OerHeks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1503647
[12:49] <std> http://termbin.com/owa7
[12:50] <digitsm> sep_alicia, I tested grub_cli, it doesn
[12:50] <EriC^^> std: seems like the 66 kernel has issues and was pulled back, you might want to boot the 65 and then uninstall it
[12:50] <sep_alicia> digitsm: that sux
[12:50] <digitsm> sep_alicia, I tested grub_cli, it doesn't recognize any device attached to my PCIe USB3 card
[12:50] <sep_alicia> digitsm: I guess grub won't be able to do it at all then
[12:51] <xela2244> sep_alicia: still not working
[12:51] <sep_alicia> digitsm: back to syslinux and kplop i suppose
[12:51] <jnxd> EriC^^: how do I uninstall a kernel?
[12:51] <digitsm> sep_alicia, Another experience like mine : http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=114425#p540822
[12:51] <BluesKaj> jnxd, yeah, the plasma5,  desktop definitely needs more work, I"m testing 15.10 beta2 and I struggled to to get my desktop back this morning, but the devs are working hard to get things right.
[12:51] <EriC^^> jnxd: sudo apt-get purge linux-image-3.13.0-66-generic
[12:51] <sep_alicia> xela2244: Perhaps you can find out if gedit is using gtk greater than 3.12?
[12:51] <digitsm> sep_alicia, As long as I know grub can load many modules available in "/boot/grub/i386-pc/"
[12:52] <digitsm> But I can't see any module file for "xhci" (the driver for USB3)
[12:52] <digitsm> Maybe it is the issue
[12:52] <digitsm> but I am not sure
[12:52] <sep_alicia> digitsm: perhaps so
[12:52] <jnxd> The following packages will be REMOVED:   linux-generic* linux-image-3.19.0-31-generic*   linux-image-extra-3.19.0-31-generic* linux-image-generic*
[12:52] <sep_alicia> digitsm: i also don't know. sorry :(
[12:53] <jnxd> EriC^^: the last one kinda scares me
[12:53] <sep_alicia> jnxd: *thumbs up*
[12:53] <digitsm> sep_alicia, I think the most easier plan B is installing syslinux. I will try now. And thanks for help
[12:53] <EriC^^> jnxd: last one is ok, but linux-generic is needed ( it's a metapackage that install the latest kernel + headers when they get updated )
[12:53] <sep_alicia> jnxd: the last one is a meta-package. losing it will not pull more kernel updates
[12:54] <EriC^^> jnxd: oh, didn't see the last one, it's like linux-generic but just for the image
[12:54] <jnxd> EriC^^: So what is linux-image-generic?
[12:54] <jnxd> what's the difference?
[12:54] <sep_alicia> jnxd: met-package
[12:54] <EriC^^> it installs the linux-image- package ( initrd + kernel )
[12:54] <jnxd> I think I'll keep things as they are for now
[12:54] <EriC^^> linux-generic installs linux-image + linux-headers
[12:55] <EriC^^> jnxd: are you using trusty?
[12:55] <sep_alicia> I'm using untrusty
[12:56] <EriC^^> jnxd: i think if you run sudo apt-get update
[12:56] <alximych> hi! Is Telnet available in ubuntu BY DEFAULT?
[12:57] <EriC^^> then try to purge it won't ask to remove those 2 metapackages, if it does only mention those 2 it's ok to remove, then just reinstall linux-generic and it should continue to update later kernels, and won't install the 31 yet cause it's not in the repos anymore
[12:57] <EriC^^> !info linux-image-generic vivid
[12:57] <sep_alicia> alximych: It appears to be available in Ubuntu MATE 14.04 by default. (I dunno about regular Ubuntu)
[12:58] <alximych> sep_alicia: thx!
[12:58] <OerHeks> alximych, it is.
[13:02] <frib> sep_alicia, if i set a static ip for the laptop I can connect and authenticate but I am unable to ping the upstream router that provides internet .. thus no connection :(
[13:03] <lng> Hi! suddenly, I cannot enter a passphrase for encrypted /. What can I do about it?
[13:03] <frib> sep_alicia, i'm assuming the cause of this is also what causes me to be unable to obtain a dhcp from that upstream router
[13:04] <frib> sep_alicia, I had to run out of the house for a bit, sorry.  now that i'm back my phone reaches internet no problem
[13:04] <lng> Anothe problem, when I boot using recovery mode I can enter passphrase and the system starts with no other two monitors used. How to engage them?
[13:04] <lng> I cannot detect them
[13:05] <lng> shall restart video driver somehow?
[13:05] <sep_alicia> frib: interesting
[13:06] <lng> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics (rev 09)
[13:07] <sep_alicia> frib: Is the upstream router under your control too?
[13:08] <frib> sep_alicia, yes
[13:08] <sep_alicia> frib: Can you ping your laptop from another device on the local router?
[13:09] <frib> sep_alicia, you mean while "other" device is connected to AP and laptop is connected to primary router or AP?
[13:10] <sep_alicia> frib: I'm not sure. Is the laptop connected via AP or the primary router?
[13:10] <frib> sep_alicia, right now i'm connected on my laptop via primary
[13:10] <frib> phone is on AP
[13:10] <sep_alicia> frib: Ok, try to ping your laptop from another device connected to the primary
[13:11] <frib> sep_alicia, i can ping my laptop from phone connected to AP
[13:11] <sep_alicia> frib: that's a good sign
[13:11] <frib> i was going to try connecting ethernet cable to laptop on AP
[13:12] <frib> what do you think
[13:12] <sep_alicia> frib: for what purpose?
[13:12] <frib> i thought maybe the wifi card could be the issue
[13:13] <sep_alicia> frib: if your laptop is replying pings to your phone, it would appear that the wificard is working
[13:13] <frib> sep_alicia, wificard is working with primary router
[13:13] <frib> sep_alicia, the problem is when i connect to AP, phone works, laptop doesnt
[13:14] <frib> sep_alicia, i'm going to try, brb
[13:15] <sep_alicia> frib: I'm having difficultly visualizing your network setup. You have 1. an AP 2. a primary router 3. an upstream router. Is that all correct?
[13:17] <Salambo> hi, where can I get Ubuntu gpg public key (to verify signature)
[13:18] <Pici> !gpgperr | Salambo
[13:18] <Pici> !gpgerr | Salambo
[13:19] <Twirl> Hi, how can i see new entries in log files in ubuntu in real time?
[13:19] <hateball> Twirl: tail -f /file
[13:20] <yray> hi folks
[13:20] <Twirl> hateball: nice, doesnt seem to be working tho
[13:20] <hateball> Twirl: what file are you trying to look at?
[13:21] <Twirl> hateball: nginx error logs, im requesting 404 files
[13:21] <hateball> Twirl: chances are your regular user has no read permission there
[13:21] <hateball> Twirl: in which case you could use sudo tail -f
[13:21] <sep_alicia> ^
[13:21] <yray> I have a question about a software or a solution, am i allowed to ask it here?
[13:22] <hateball> !help
[13:22] <Twirl> oh well im seeign something
[13:23] <yray> ok, we are trying to have a piece of software that would keep the track of all the expenditures of our dorm room, like who buys what, and who owes who how much money at the end of the month,
[13:23] <sep_alicia> spreadsheet
[13:23] <yray> as of this moment we are using excel for that, but i think there might be a better solution available
[13:24] <sep_alicia> yray: have you considered using an "expense tracking" app?
[13:24] <hateball> yray: KMymoney is nice for personal finance
[13:25] <sep_alicia> !equivalents
[13:26] <Twirl> hateball, sep_alicia its working somehow
[13:26] <Twirl> ty
[13:26] <sep_alicia> Twirl: congrats
[13:26] <Khaled_> Guys im looking for a mini pc that can linux without any problems for some basic web devolopment
[13:26] <Twirl> still idk why 404 requests are not coming up
[13:26] <Twirl> in the log
[13:27]  * hallohallo slaps TheDude3 around a bit with a large fishbot
[13:27] <sep_alicia> yray: just a thought from me. i'm pretty frugal, so i don't use this type software :)
[13:27] <Khaled_> any recommendations?
[13:27] <sep_alicia> yray: Maybe look on this page under "Personal finances manager" http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
[13:27] <thebwt> Hey folks, what is the correct channel to talk about packaging for ubuntu?
[13:28] <thebwt> derp
[13:28] <sep_alicia> Khaled_: raspberrypi?
[13:28] <thebwt> #ubuntu-packaging
[13:29] <sep_alicia> Khaled_: http://www.dell.com/th/p/xps-13-9343-laptop/pd
[13:32] <Khaled_> sep_alicia: I think it would be it would be too slow :C
[13:32] <lng> Hi! After booting to normal from recovery mode, the other two monitors are not detected. Is there way to detect them manually?
[13:32] <Khaled_> and not really looking for a laptop
[13:32] <Khaled_> I would like it to sit next to my work desktop
[13:32] <Khaled_> I was thinking of something like this
[13:32] <Khaled_> http://www.amazon.com/Intel-NUC5CPYH-Graphics-2-5-Inch-BOXNUC5CPYH/dp/B00XPVRR5M/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1444311120&sr=1-3&keywords=nuc+intel
[13:33] <sep_alicia> Khaled_: Are you familiar with Intel NUC's?
[13:33] <Khaled_> nope.
[13:33] <Khaled_> this is my first time seeing it
[13:33] <sep_alicia> Khaled_: They might be what you're looking for, if you're on a budget
[13:33] <hateball> depending on what you're planning to deploy, an RPi should be enough. unless you intend to run postgresql etc on it as well
[13:34] <sep_alicia> Khaled_: search amazon for "intel nuc"
[13:34] <Khaled_> I already did :)
[13:34] <austin_> hi all - here's a thing - i have a shell script, /path/to/program.sh which has been given rights to run as root via sudoers. In a terminal and logged in as "user", running sudo /path/to/program.sh works - in a .desktop file under /usr/share/applications/program.desktop and using key exec=sudo /path/to/program.sh requires a password (when including Terminal=true). How can I get the launch to be performed without requiring the password as in the c
[13:34] <austin_> ommand line example?
[13:34] <sep_alicia> Khaled_: *thumbs up*
[13:35] <sep_alicia> hateball: I think so too, but some people tend to use things outside of their originally intended purpose, so idk.  :)
[13:36] <sep_alicia> austin_: cannot. sorry
[13:36] <EriC^^> austin_: add NOPASSWD to visudo
[13:36] <sep_alicia> austin_: I'm pretty sure that scripts cannot run as root, even if they have root exec permission
 ALL= (ALL) NOPASSWD: /path/to/program.sh
[13:37] <sep_alicia> austin_: they need to call sudo from within the script
[13:37] <Khaled_> NUC Intel Braswell Celeron processor 140 USD, 16 GB MSATA SSD (I already have one laying around my desktop so no cost), Kingston 4GB ram 22 usd = so about 160 usd. How do this build sound?
[13:37] <sep_alicia> austin_: EriC^^ method will probably work
[13:37] <EriC^^> sep_alicia: yeah scripts can't use the setuid
[13:38] <Khaled_> or should i buy an SSD too?
[13:38] <sep_alicia> Khaled_: Sounds legit
[13:38] <sep_alicia> Khaled_: Possibly over powered for your purposes. Though I might get a faster cpu
[13:39] <austin_> user ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /path/to/program.sh
[13:39] <austin_> still, terminal comes up asking for password
[13:39] <yray> sep_alicia : what do you mean frugal?
[13:39] <EriC^^> austin_: did you replace user with the user?
[13:40] <EriC^^> austin_: open a terminal, sudo login <user> , then type sudo -k , then sudo /path/to/script.sh
[13:40] <EriC^^> see if it asks for a password
[13:40] <austin_> yes - as i said, in a separate terminal logged in as "user" sudo /path/to/program.sh works with requiring a password
[13:40] <austin_> without*
[13:41] <sep_alicia> yray: i generally don't buy things i don't need, so i have extra money each week, instead of extra week at the end of the money
[13:41] <EriC^^> austin_: you mean since before?
[13:42] <austin_> ok when using sudo -k then sudo /path/to/program.sh I need to enter password
[13:42] <yray> sep_alicia : so you might have misunderstood me, we are a few people, living ina dorm, and we would like to keep track of how much everyone of us spends, so that in the end we can make sure that we have all spent equal ammount of money
[13:43] <sep_alicia> yray: I understand. I was just explaining why I wouldn't be someone qualified to give you a good recommendation, because i've never had a need for such software  :)
[13:43] <sep_alicia> yray: Maybe look on this page under "Personal finances manager" http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html
[13:44] <austin_> looks like with sudo -k I get the same behaviour as when launching the desktop file via dash
[13:45] <EriC^^> austin_: it works here
[13:45] <yray> by the way i would really like to know if the same goes on any where else in the world
[13:45] <EriC^^> austin_: what exactly did you put in visudo?
[13:45] <EriC^^> ( the exact line )
[13:47] <austin_> tester  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/tester/program.sh
[13:47] <EriC^^> ok, and logged in as tester, type sudo -l
[13:47] <sep_alicia> yray: Are you asking me?
[13:47] <yray> sep_alicia : yes if you willing to answer
[13:47] <austin_> User tester may run the following ...
[13:48] <EriC^^> does it mention the command?
[13:48] <austin_> (ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/tester/program.sh
[13:48] <k1l> yray: this is the technical ubuntu support. for other chat please use ##chat or #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:48] <sep_alicia> yray: "if the same goes on" the same what goes on? I'm not sure I understand
[13:48] <EriC^^> austin_: ok, type sudo -k ( to remove the timestamp )
[13:48] <EriC^^> then sudo /home/tester/program.sh
[13:49] <austin_> it asks for a password
[13:49] <Khaled_> sep_alicia: an i3 sounds good?
[13:50] <Khaled_> its about 100 bux more
[13:50] <Khaled_> 100 usd*
[13:50] <sep_alicia> Khaled_: How many ghz?
[13:50] <EriC^^> austin_: odd
[13:50] <austin_> i know..nail biting
[13:50] <sep_alicia> Khaled_: Should be at least 2Ghz if you want decent power
[13:50] <Khaled_> core i3 1.8 GHz	
[13:51] <EriC^^> austin_: do other stuff work?
[13:51] <sep_alicia> Khaled_: i3 2Ghz or greater
[13:51] <EriC^^> austin_: try adding /sbin/blkid then try sudo blkid
[13:51] <Cyton> how do I file a bug report?
[13:52] <k1l> !bug | Cyton
[13:52] <Cyton> latest kernel made my pc crash after boot
[13:53] <austin_> password required
[13:56] <Cyton> this is really complecated
[13:56] <Cyton> doing a bug report
[13:56] <Cyton> basically kernel 3.19.0.31 killed my laptop every boot on my own profile or guest profile
[13:57] <Cyton> laptop e7240 i5 vPro
[13:58] <OerHeks> Cyton, yes, know issue with that latest update, purge that kernel and boot back into 3.19.0.30 > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1503842
[13:59] <sep_alicia> Cyton: If you find filing a bug report too difficult, then I recommend not doing it. Yes we all want to help out, but at the same time, we don't want to dread using our systems. Just do what you reasonably can.
[13:59] <Cyton> yep I purged it updated initramfs and  update grub
[13:59] <OerHeks> don't read the output of ubottu, it is confusing
[14:00] <Cyton> thanks Oerheks I;kk check that report out and add my comments
[14:11] <ROKO__> is it normal compiz to use more than 40% cpu
[14:11] <ROKO__> ?
[14:12] <OerHeks> ROKO__, maybe yes, if you use the opendriver
[14:13] <dupingping> Hi guys
[14:13] <ROKO__> fglrx
[14:13] <dupingping> who knows about angolinux?
[14:14] <ROKO__> on amd hybrid graphics
[14:14] <k1l> dupingping: we can only support the official ubuntu versions in here. better ask in ##linux
[14:15] <dupingping> i see.
[14:18] <bender|> Apparently, all of my keyboard shortcuts have stopped working.
[14:18] <bender|> Even though they appear in Settings->Keyboard->Shortcuts
[14:20] <destred> is there a beauty channel on freenode?
[14:20] <Pici> !alis | destred
[14:21] <destred> no beauty channels :(
[14:21] <arcasHR> exit
[14:21] <nzst> Hi, what is a great way to install a standalone ruby application on a server?
[14:23] <bender|> isn't unity-settings-demon broken?
[14:24] <jnxd> !info linux-image-generic vivid
[14:24] <bender|> guess that's probably why my shortcuts aren't working.
[14:24] <Guest93485> how can I get a channel list?
[14:24] <k1l> !alis | Guest93485
[14:24] <jnxd> !info linux-generic vivid
[14:25] <Guest93485> thanks k1l bud
[14:25] <ioria> bender|, cat /etc/issue ?
[14:26] <jnxd> EriC^^: I'm sorry about the talk some time ago. Just now found out from the logs you had continued it, but I got dc'ed
[14:27] <EriC^^> jnxd: np
[14:27] <jnxd> !bug
[14:30] <jnxd> EriC^^: Tried sudo apt-get update
[14:31] <digitsm> sep_alicia, After installing Extlinux/Syslinux, plopkexec recognizes its menu entries, but I don't know why it doesn't show menu entry for ubuntu
[14:31] <EriC^^> jnxd: ok, type apt-cache policy linux-image-generic
[14:31] <digitsm> Anyway I am getting closer
[14:33] <faisal> Hi there, could anyone maybe help please. I got 2 ubuntu hosts ( host1 and host2). I want host1 to respond to ssh-port22 and host2 to respond to ssh-port22. (no problem with that, its working) But I also want host1 to be able to redirect ssh traffic on port 2222 to host2 on port-22. is that possible ? anyone knows how to do this with iptables ?
[14:33] <sep_alicia> digitsm: Get your money back for the pcie? :(
[14:34] <Giant81> does Ubuntu hve a built int RDP client/server like windows does?
[14:34] <Giant81> or should I just install nomachine
[14:34] <digitsm> sep_alicia, Hmmm, no, As least it gives high speed when copying files. Only problem is boot.
[14:36] <ioria> faisal  you mean port forwarding ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/PortForwarding
[14:36] <akik> faisal: yes it's possible. look into PREROUTING and DNAT
[14:38] <faisal> ioria: yes thats what i mean, except that this document is focused on doing it on the client. I want the server to be setup that way
[14:38] <faisal> akik: thanks a lot, I willresearch with those keywords too
[14:39] <torontoyes> I have been having issues with the Nemo 2.6.7 file manager on Mint, can anyone recommend another file manager that does not freeze when copying files, or freezes while copying then navigating to another folder?
[14:39] <vape> !mint
[14:40] <teward> torontoyes: Mint is offtopic here, you need to go to the channel and network that ubottu just stated
[14:41] <tykayn> hey guys
[14:41] <k1l> or see if in ##linux the guys can help
[14:41] <tykayn> i have a freezing issue after a few seconds on my login screen
[14:41] <k1l> tykayn: after you logged in or just before login?
[14:42] <vtrev> tykayn: are you on gnome?
[14:42] <OerHeks> tykayn, on what ubuntu version? and did this start after updates?
[14:42] <tykayn> ubuntu 14.04
[14:42] <tykayn> i have this problem after sleepomde
[14:43] <cluts> hello
[14:43] <tykayn> i thought it was my nvidia driver, so i installed nvidia-current, it was not it, i installed back nvidia-nouveau
[14:43] <tykayn> i thought it was my ecryptfs, so i uninstalled it
[14:43] <torontoyes> better question is, what filemanager is a good alternative to Nemo
[14:43] <k1l> tykayn: after standby/hibernation could mean that not all needed modules get activated after resume
[14:43] <tykayn> torontoyes:Thunar is quite nice and very fast
[14:43] <torontoyes> tykayn: thank you.
[14:44] <k1l> torontoyes: the standard on ubuntu is nautilus.
[14:44] <torontoyes> thunar vs nautilus?
[14:44] <tykayn> when i login, i have the background image (ubuntu 14.04), i can move the cursor, but nothing happens.
[14:44] <cluts> what do you guys recommend, xubuntu or regular unity, ubuntu?
[14:44] <tykayn> after some seconds i have the cursor on a black screen
[14:44] <auronandace> torontoyes: try them both and find out. thunar is my favourite, pcmnfm is another choice
[14:45] <auronandace> pcmanfm
[14:45] <somsip> cluts: a WM of your own choosing
[14:45] <torontoyes> auronandace: indeed, will try them out
[14:45] <tykayn> ok, now i have an automatic logout, going back to log screen choice
[14:45] <tykayn> ill try to reinstall ecryptfs
[14:46] <ikonia> why do you want encryptfs
[14:46] <ikonia> I mean, do you really need it ?
[14:46] <k1l> cluts: just test them as live systems and decide yourself. every user got different workflow and taste
[14:46] <tykayn> i guess it blocks the login progress
[14:46] <tykayn> it was there before
[14:46] <ikonia> tykayn: why do you guess that ?
[14:46] <ikonia> what is your path to that assumption ?
[14:47] <tykayn> i used to have a login loop issue before because of ecryptfs
[14:47] <tykayn> on an other computer
[14:47] <ikonia> how does that relate to your current problem ?
[14:47] <cluts> thanks for you input, k1l: ill try that out now
[14:47] <Aphotica> Is Mir shipping with 16.04?
[14:47] <tykayn> i changed my user password, but my home was encrypted with the old pass
[14:47] <ikonia> Aphotica: who knows,
[14:47] <tykayn> this time i didnt change my password
[14:48] <ikonia> tykayn: how does that relate to your current problem ?
[14:48] <tykayn> the thing is nothing happens after login
[14:48] <k1l> Aphotica: not as standard
[14:48] <ikonia> tykayn: how does that relate to your current problem ?
[14:48] <tykayn> and i get back to login screen
[14:48] <Aphotica> I may just say screw it and go to Wayland
[14:49] <tykayn> that is just a guess, since i tried the solutions on the web with no success
[14:49] <Aphotica> I figured by 16.04 the devs at Canonical would be done with Mir by now
[14:49] <ikonia> tykayn: guessing is not a good way to fix a problem
[14:49] <ikonia> need to work it through
[14:49] <tykayn> what do you advice ?
[14:49] <ikonia> working the problem through
[14:49] <tykayn> i can login tty1
[14:50] <auronandace> !discuss | Aphotica
[14:51] <MikeRL> This is slightly OT, but I find it related to the future of Ubuntu and other Linux distros. You guys know a ton of applications run off WebKit?
[14:51] <tykayn> ikonia:this is not very helpful
[14:51] <ikonia> what isn't ?
[14:51] <MikeRL> I wonder if Linux distros and applications would profit from switching to Blink in the long term.
[14:52] <ikonia> MikeRL: not really right for this channel
[14:52] <tykayn> what info can i look for to solve my display problem ?
[14:52] <MikeRL> Well, if I ask it under off topic, would I still get a good answer?
[14:52] <MikeRL> I was on the fence about where to ask it.
[14:52] <ikonia> tykayn: look at the logs, walk through the login process see where it falls over
[14:52] <ikonia> MikeRL: doubtful
[14:52] <ikonia> try
[14:53] <tykayn> i can look at the logs, if i dont understand them i will not know
[14:53] <k1l> MikeRL: general chat please to #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:53] <ikonia> tykayn: so you ask for help with that
[14:53] <MikeRL> Alright. Will do.
[14:53] <tykayn> i do
[14:54] <ikonia> tykayn: if you want to jump in and start guessing, thats fine and thats your right to do so, but I fail to see the logic in just guessing and asking for help with the guesses, rather than asking for help to work it through
[14:54] <hunoshun> o
[14:54] <hunoshun> hello
[14:54] <jaska__> hi
[14:55] <jaska__> does someone knoew how chage boot animatinon?
[14:55] <jaska__> know
[14:55] <ikonia> jaska__: the plymouth splash ?
[14:56] <ikonia> plymoth
[14:56] <jaska__> how i use plymoth
[14:56] <jaska__> ?
[14:56] <ikonia> it's not a 2 minute task
[14:56] <ikonia> you'll have to do a fair bit of work if you want to create your own boot splash
[14:57] <jaska__> no no i dont want make splash i want to chage
[14:57] <reactormonk> Is it possible to switch 14.04 to systemd on a fresh install?
[14:57] <jaska__> it
[14:57] <ikonia> jaska__: change it to what ?
[14:57] <tykayn> ikonia, well, can anyone help on a login freeze issue ?
[14:57] <tykayn> when i do "startx" i have an error with xauthority
[14:58] <ikonia> tykayn: why are you doing start ?
[14:58] <ikonia> startx
[14:58] <ikonia> X11 starts at boot by default
[14:58] <tykayn> xauth : error in locking the authority file
[14:59] <ikonia> tykayn: thats not what I asked
[14:59] <ikonia> tykayn: why are you doing startx
[14:59] <ikonia> X11 starts by default at boot time - so you shouldn't be able to do startx
[14:59] <ikonia> (and shouldn't need to)
[14:59] <tykayn> because my screen went black
[14:59] <ikonia> tykayn: a black screen is not somewhere you can do startx
[15:00] <tykayn> by doing startx i can see some logs
[15:00] <tykayn> if i knew how to fix that i wouldnt ask for help
[15:01] <ikonia> tykayn: you can't do startx in a black screen
[15:01] <ikonia> the black screen means X is already running
[15:02] <Pici> unless you mean that there is a prompt on that black screen, which most of us wouldn't consider just a black screen...
[15:02] <tykayn> nice, how to trouble shoot what is wrong with my x server ?
[15:03] <ikonia> tykayn: you need to stop taining the logs
[15:03] <ikonia> boot the box clean
[15:03] <ikonia> login
[15:03] <ikonia> let it fail, then review the logs
[15:04] <tykayn> i don't know what you mean by booting the box
[15:04] <auronandace> tykayn: reboot, restart your computer
[15:07] <tykayn> k
[15:09] <tykayn> auronandace: and then i rebooted ?
[15:10] <auronandace> tykayn: you've rebooted, have you tried logging in?
[15:11] <tykayn> yes
[15:11] <auronandace> tykayn: did it fail like usual?
[15:12] <tykayn> then i had a black screen, and ubuntu went back to login screen
[15:12] <tykayn> yes
[15:12] <auronandace> tykayn: ok, now you look at the logs
[15:12] <tykayn> which logs?
[15:13] <auronandace> tykayn: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:14] <auronandace> tykayn: if that machine is connected to the internet then it would be tremendously helpful to pastebin it so we can look through it to help identify the issue
[15:16] <tykayn> yup, how can i pastebin this log just via command line ?
[15:17] <tykayn> hopefully i have internet link on this computer
[15:18] <OerHeks> !pastebinit
[15:18] <destred> OerHeks, but how do you specify WHAT yo pastebin?
[15:18] <ioria> tykayn have you already checked the ownership of ~/.Xauthority ?
[15:19] <destred> say i wanna pastebin dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[15:19] <destred> ?
[15:20] <tykayn> i have a Xorg.1.log file
[15:20] <tykayn> should i pastebin this one ?
[15:21] <OerHeks> cat /var/log/the log you want to show | pastebinit
[15:21] <tykayn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12715763
[15:22] <tykayn> OerHeks: done
[15:22] <mcerb> if a key doesn't show up on acpi_listen what do I need to do to make it usable?
[15:23] <guillaume_alloxr> hi, i need some help but server related and there's no activity in #ubuntu-server does anyone have just a bit of knowledge server related ? i'm installing ubuntu on a power5
[15:23] <tykayn> ioria:i have no file called .Xauthority in my user folder
[15:24] <ioria> tykayn it's hidden ....   ls -al ~/.Xauthority ?
[15:24] <ioria> without '?'
[15:24] <OerHeks> tykayn, i think you ran in the recent kernel bug 3.19-0.31 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1503842 , solution: boot in the previous kernel and purge 3.19.0.31
[15:25] <tykayn> i know it is hidden, i think there is an issue with my home folder
[15:25] <TJ-> tykayn: The reason the Intel driver isn't loading is the kernel command-line is disabling DRI with "nomodeset" - that needs removing
[15:25] <tykayn> oh
[15:25] <tykayn> i needed the kernel 3.19 so that my wifi can work
[15:26] <tykayn> i installed ubuntu on my new laptop, acer aspire v17 nitro
[15:26] <TJ-> tykayn: It has nothing to do with the kernel version, but the parameter "nomodeset" prevents the driver controlling the GPU modes.
[15:26] <ioria> tykayn did you edit /etc/default/grub ?
[15:26] <tykayn> mmmk
[15:26] <tykayn> so i just have to change a text file
[15:27] <tykayn> ioria: nope, but i removed ecryptfs
[15:27] <ioria> tykayn i see
[15:27] <TJ-> tykayn: "grep nomodeset /etc/default/grub"
[15:29] <tykayn> TJ-: this returns nothing
[15:30] <WotiNue> :)
[15:31] <tykayn> does it mean it is not nomodeset ?
[15:31] <auronandace> tykayn: according to that log nomodeset is certainly being called
[15:31] <ioria> tykayn can you paste sudo lshw -c video   and   /etc/default/grub ?
[15:32] <tykayn> should i reconfigure grub?
[15:32] <auronandace> tykayn: you didn't edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg directly did you?
[15:32] <tykayn> i didnt
[15:32] <TJ-> tykayn: OK, when you booted the system did you manually add "nomodeset" to the kernel command line in the GRUB boot-loader menu?
[15:33] <tykayn> ioria : http://paste.ubuntu.com/12715896/
[15:34] <tykayn> ioria:and grub retuns nothing
[15:34] <ioria> tykayn hybrid nvida/intel .... nothing ... ???
[15:35] <tykayn> nvidia Geforce GTX960m
[15:35] <auronandace> tykayn: i take it you've disabled the nvidia from the bios or something?
[15:35] <ioria> tykayn   ls /etc/default/grub ?
[15:35] <TJ-> tykayn: The Xorg.0.log file you provided has on its command-line "recovery nomodeset", and is dated October 8 @ 19:13:24 .... I'm going to hazzard a guess that is NOT the latest Xorg.*.log file - which is confusing the issue
[15:36] <TJ-> tykayn: identify the most recent log-file (most recent, last) with "ls -latr /var/log/Xorg.*.log" and pastebin the most recent
[15:36] <tykayn> ioria:there is an existing file
[15:36] <ioria> TJ- right ... it's Xorg.1  .... we need Xorg.0
[15:36] <TJ-> ioria: No, it's Xorg.0.log and we probably want another
[15:36] <tykayn> i pasted both xorg logs
[15:36] <TJ-> ioria: tykayn "[   316.897] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Thu Oct  8 19:13:24 2015"
[15:37] <ioria> TJ- ok
[15:37] <tykayn> i have a failsafe log
[15:37] <TJ-> tykayn: I may have missed the other one, let me scroll back and look
[15:37] <ioria> tykayn   why don't you paste /etc/default/grub ? could be useful
[15:37] <tykayn> TJ-:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/12715943 for the failsafe
[15:38] <tykayn> k
[15:38] <tykayn> ioria:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/12715949 for the grub
[15:38] <TJ-> tykayn: what is the local-time on the problem PC right now ("date") ?
[15:39] <TJ-> tykayn: because that lateset log is 'older' than the previous
[15:39] <tykayn> TJ-: 8oct2015 19:38:53
[15:39] <ioria> tykayn   i'd try try to purge nvidia* .... and reboot
[15:39] <tykayn> UTC+2
[15:39] <TJ-> tykayn: OK, so the Xorg.0.log *was* the most recent. You booted the system into recovery mode, is that correct?
[15:40] <tykayn> yup, i booted it in many ways
[15:40] <tykayn> ioria: mh maybe
[15:40] <tykayn> should it work with no nvidia driver after that ?
[15:40] <ioria> tykayn   have you already done sudo apt-get purge nvidia*   ?
[15:40] <TJ-> tykayn: OK, you need to reboot again in normal mode. BUT change an option at boot-time.
[15:40] <tykayn> hm
[15:41] <tykayn> i dont see how to change options at boot time
[15:41] <ioria> tykayn   sure with nouveau
[15:41] <tykayn> i have the choices in grub "normal, advanced / rescue mode"
[15:41] <TJ-> tykayn: Reboot, hold down Shift key immediately the screen displays anything and keep it held down until the GRUB boot menu shows up. Then highlight the "Ubuntu" entry, press 'E' to edit it, navigate to the line starting "linux ..." and edit it, removing "quiet splash" and adding "text" then press Ctrl+X (or F10) to boot that entry.
[15:41] <tykayn> i didnt purged for now
[15:42] <tykayn> k
[15:42] <TJ-> tykayn: Doing that will NOT load the GUI, it will start in text console mode
[15:43] <tykayn> hm. grub is not showing up
[15:43] <TJ-> tykayn: Then log-in on the text console, and try starting the GUI with "sudo systemctl start graphical.target"
[15:44] <TJ-> tykayn: Which ubuntu release is it?
[15:44] <tykayn> oh nice i can edit the grub entry
[15:45] <tykayn> k i arrive on tty1
[15:46] <OneM_Industries> Hey, how would I make top display all tasks sorted by process name?
[15:46] <TJ-> tykayn: once you'd attempted to start the GUI, you may need to switch back to the text console using Ctrl+Alt+F1 in order to use "pastebinit /var/log/X0rg.0.log" (assuming the PC has network)
[15:46] <tykayn> TJ-: ok i have no systemctl
[15:46] <OneM_Industries> I have tried reading the manual, but an more confused after reading it than before.
[15:46] <TJ-> tykayn: what Ubuntu release is it?
[15:46] <tykayn> it is ubuntu 14.04
[15:46] <TJ-> tykayn: OK, so "sudo service lightdm start"
[15:47] <Khaotic[n10]> Upgraded to Ubuntu 15.05 and now my computer won't work. Anyone know how to fix this?
[15:47] <TJ-> OneM_Industries: move the sort column using the < > keys. Press 'h' for help about it
[15:47] <herrkin> hello, I have a little issue with apache, can I discuss it here? or its not the place for that?
[15:47] <tykayn> TJ-: ok now i have the login screen
[15:47] <OneM_Industries> Oh.
[15:47] <tykayn> TJ-: but my keyboard is not responding
[15:47] <OneM_Industries> All that seems to do is move what is shown...
[15:48] <tykayn> system freezed
[15:48] <tykayn> i cant go back to tty1
[15:48] <Khaotic[n10]> Please help
[15:48] <ioria> tykayn   open another one
[15:48] <Khaotic[n10]> Stuck on a screen that says starting version 219
[15:48] <tykayn> ioria:others are not responding
[15:48] <TJ-> OneM_Industries: works for me, sort order column changes when I use >
[15:49] <TJ-> tykayn: Ctrl+Alt+F1 not responding?
[15:49] <OneM_Industries> Odd...
[15:49] <herrkin> I had a redirect permanent working with an ip configured, we changed the server ip, just one number, I tried changing the redirection ip and it doesnt work anymore. I mean before it was x.x.10.10 now it is x.x.11.10. it doesnt work now.
[15:49] <tykayn> TJ-: yup
[15:49] <tykayn> not responding
[15:49] <ioria> tykayn  ctrl+alt+f2 -3-4 ....
[15:49] <TJ-> tykayn: Suggests the PC has locked up. Try Alt+SysRq+S
[15:49] <tykayn> ioria:yup, not working
[15:50] <tykayn> you mean alt+windows touch+s ?
[15:50] <tykayn> not doing anything
[15:50] <TJ-> tykayn: you have another PC there obviously; I'd suggest installing/configuring openssh-server on the problem PC, and then connecting via SSH to it next time it boots so you have remote control
[15:51] <tykayn> hmhm
[15:51] <TJ-> tykayn: SysReq is a 'magic' kernel key, usually as an option on the Print Scrn key
[15:51] <TJ-> tykayn: with SSH you can run a tail on the kernel log and capture the last messages when it locks up, so we get some useful data
[15:52] <tykayn> mkay
[15:52] <ioria> tykayn  or reboot and don't login into gui .... install pastebinit and copy the given url   ?
[15:52] <tykayn> maybe i can run a dump of the kernel log selecting the "before last boot"
[15:52] <TJ-> tykayn: hard-reboot if the keyboard is not getting a response, edit the boot menu again to use "text" and then from the console you can "sudo apt-get install openssh-server"
[15:53] <akik> magic sysrq needs to be enabled. i think it's disabled by default in ubuntu
[15:53] <tykayn> TJ-: yup, ill test that, but i cant do it here, got to go
[15:53] <TJ-> akik: no, it is enabled, but some functions are disabled. Sync, Boot are enabled
[15:53] <tykayn> thanks a lot anyway, see ya
[15:53] <TJ-> tykayn: OK, well good luck. The more decent data you can collect, the better :)
[15:54] <akik> TJ-: oh good to know
[15:54] <Guest60> Hi - i tried to update my nginx version but i get the following error within the update: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12716095/ does someone know how to solve this problem?
[15:54] <TJ-> akik: I think REIU are disabled by default
[15:56] <Khaotic[n10]> Stuck on a screen that says starting version 219 after upgrading to 15.04
[15:56] <maggots>  hi guys how do i install nvidia drivers for gtx 960?
[15:57] <guest> Guest60: Can you please try to install the package manually and put the output on paste.ubuntu.com : sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/nginx_1.9.5-1~trusty_amd64.deb
[15:57] <maggots> can anyone talk me through it please
[15:57] <guest> maggots: What Ubuntu version?
[15:58] <guest> maggots: Open the Additional Drivers tool (Additional Drivers tab in Software and Updates program)
[15:58] <guest> maggots: Select the nvidia binary driver, and press Apply Changes
[16:01] <flotex7> Greetings
[16:04] <flotex7> Ich brauche dringend Eure Hilfe... Es gelingt mir nicht Skype unter Ubuntu 14.04 64bit zum Laufen zu bekommen :(
[16:10] <Trinity> hi I'm trying to download ffprobe and avprobe
[16:10] <Trinity> but I can't find either
[16:10] <Trinity> any ideas where I can find them?
[16:11] <SchrodingersScat> !info libav-tools | Trinity, for avprobe
[16:11] <ioria> !info fprobe
[16:11] <SchrodingersScat> Trinity: and ffprobe comes with ffmpeg.  I used apt-file search to get those answers
[16:12] <Trinity> thanks
[16:12] <Trinity> !info apt-file
[16:14] <SchrodingersScat> I have a reverse tunnel going from a machine at home to a remote server 1999:localhost:22 , it seems to hang a lot when trying to ssh to the machine at home, last line of ssh -vvv before the hang is debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.7p1 Ubuntu-5ubuntu1.3  ; tried changing Authentication Preferences in the client's ssh_config so password would be first
[16:14] <Trinity> SchrodingersScat, is the only difference between apt-file and apt-cache the debian and ubuntu part?
[16:14] <Trinity> I thought ubuntu repos contained debian
[16:15] <SchrodingersScat> Trinity: no, apt-cache searches actual package info, apt-file searches the files in those packages, afaik
[16:15] <Trinity> SchrodingersScat, I see. thanks!
[16:15] <SchrodingersScat> Trinity: welcome, enjoy.
[16:18] <flotex7> Is this channel's language german or english?
[16:18] <auronandace> !de | flotex7
[16:18] <flotex7> thx auronandace, ubottu
[16:22] <spartan7> Hey guys I did a bios update on my laptop which was dual booting windows 8.1 and ubuntu. I get the grub bootloader but when I try and boot into ubuntu I am getting a blanck screen or a message saying starting version 219 Welcome to emergency mode and to run journalctrl -xb. I have run that but I dont know what I am looking for. I beleive this all came from the bios update. At this point would it be better to
[16:22] <spartan7> reinstall?
[16:26] <spartan7> I am seeing a lot of highlighted entries regarding acpi. In red I see "ACPI PCC probe failed"
[16:27] <SCHAAP137> hmm i've seen that one before, spartan7
[16:27] <ssarah> hei guys, in ip tables what does this line mean :OUTPUT ACCEPT [117:7865] ?
[16:27] <ssarah> i mean the numbers
[16:27] <ssarah> the rest I know
[16:27] <Guest35934> Im wondering if i should install fglrx (radeon proprietary driver) on an 11 year old pc.  It has a Radeon X300 SE adapter.  I've never messed with video drivers in linux.
[16:29] <ssarah> Guest35934: sure, go for it.
[16:30] <Guest35934> ssarah: have you used it before?
[16:30] <ssarah> Yep, using it right now.
[16:30] <fandi__> hi all
[16:30] <fandi__> i'm looking for preseed ubuntu
[16:31] <vtrev> hi ,dows anyone know how I can use one cpu and have multiple screens where each screen can use its own mouse and keyboad,I want a setuo of an internet cafe using one cpu for 5 cubicles
[16:31] <ssarah> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer, Guest35934 this package, more exactly
[16:31] <vtrev> does
[16:31] <Guest35934> ssarah: is it fairly idiot proof?  I'm not going to make it so I cant boot am I?
[16:31] <fandi__> 14.04 . thanks
[16:31] <Guest35934> ssarah: so you suggest compiling from source rather than use the repo version?
[16:32] <ubuntu> hello
[16:32] <ssarah> no no, was just pointing out the name of the package. apt-get install that, if I recall correctly
[16:32] <Guest35934> ssarah: I think the repo version should suffice for an 11 year old card...if it's even supported
[16:32] <spartan7> SCHAAP137: Looks like there is more. Im getting also "device appears twice with different sysfs paths" Im going to re install.
[16:34] <vtrev> people...
[16:35] <Guest55810> im trzing to install ubuntu and while installation, immediately i get the error : Error fsyncing/closing /dev/sda:Input/Output Error
[16:35] <Guest55810> any ideas? is it my hard drive?
[16:35] <ablegreen_w> I'm using VirtualBox with a bunch of Ubuntu VMs. Is there a faster way for re-installing Ubuntu Server than going through the installation menu? Perhaps some configuration file.
[16:35] <Guest35934> sounds like your hard drive..or the cable
[16:36] <ssarah> ablegreen_w: you could try checking out Vagrant
[16:36] <digitsm> sep_alicia, Are you still there? I installed xubuntu on a single ext4 partition on my external HDD, but its grub can't boot anymore
[16:36] <profetik777> After 2 years away from Linux, I've returned. Don't know how but been trying to catch up on news and developments...
[16:36] <digitsm> Before that I always had a separate boot partition, but not now
[16:37] <profetik777> and noticed I didn't miss much
[16:37] <ablegreen_w> ssarah: Thanks.
[16:37] <digitsm> With separate boot partition, plop can't find the root, because Syslinux will point to root of the kernel using a UUID, which I guess is not understandable to Syslinux
[16:38] <digitsm> Now that everything is in a single partition, I get this error: grub can't find file "/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod". But the final exists in that path. It is weird
[16:39] <digitsm> *But the file ...
[16:43] <ioria> Guest55810, check in your BIOS if  the SATA mode is  set to IDE or AHCI
[16:47] <Guest60> I installed nginx 1.9.5 but if i enable http2 i get the error   invalid parameter "http2". did i something wrong?
[16:49] <nemo> Does anyone happen to know of a ppa or somesuch that includes a udev package that doesn't require devtmpfs?
[16:49] <SCHAAP137> Guest60: i'm using 1.9.4 and it doesn't include http2
[16:50] <SCHAAP137> Guest60: you could compile nghttp2 and use it in a proxied setup though
[16:50] <Twirl> anyone knows how to change an icon in cairo-dock?
[16:50] <Guest60> SHAAP137 1.9.4 does not include http2
[16:50] <Guest60> Only since 1.9.5
[16:51] <Guest60> i think i forgot to compile with http2
[16:51] <ioria> Guest60 https://ma.ttias.be/enable-http2-in-nginx/
[16:53] <Guest60> ioria Yep i already followed this article but i got this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/12716095/ so i installed it manually
[16:53] <Giant81> I installed NX's nomachine on my ubuntu server
[16:53] <regedit> is there a way to play a youtube clip on ubuntu with little-to-no "chrome" ? i.e. make the browser behave as if in a sort of resizable fullscreen mode
[16:54] <Giant81> but good god the UI is completely unsabley slow, could that be due to the server having terrible graphics power?
[16:54] <Giant81> do you think installing lxde might speed things up?
[16:55] <SchrodingersScat> Giant81: could be network?
[16:56] <Giant81> gigabit network
[16:56] <Giant81> same subnet
[16:56] <krabador> irc ops now online?
[16:57] <krabador> don't let me use the bot command :D
[16:58] <SchrodingersScat> !support | krabador
[17:00] <erbepl> Anybody had tried OpenSuse?
[17:00] <SchrodingersScat> !ot
[17:00] <erbepl> ok thanks
[17:05] <nemo> I'm trying to run recent ubuntu in a chroot on android. Unfortunately no android kernels for this device support devtmpfs.  As far as I can tell that's an optional udev feature that ubuntu enables non-optionally in recent versions.  Does anyone know of a PPA that maintains one without it?
[17:08] <ADW> waddup everyone
[17:10] <Guest42341> hi, can you help me? do you know where is the ubuntu 15.10 logo on launchpad? this one http://i.imgur.com/bvuQFoC.png
[17:11] <Guest42341> i need the png or svg
[17:14] <wakeatnight> why is gnome keyring not always unlocking? openbox+gdm ob 15.04..
[17:14] <wakeatnight> thanks in advance
[17:15] <trism> Guest42341: http://design.ubuntu.com/downloads?metadata=element-logo+brand-ubuntu
[17:17] <trism> Guest42341: sorry guess I should have looked at the linked image, that one isn't there
[17:17] <Guest42341> trism, thanks but it's not there, i need this one http://i.imgur.com/bvuQFoC.png (the werewolf logo)
[17:17] <Guest42341> trism, oh :D np
[17:17] <Guest42341> trism, should probably be in ubiquity but i can't find it :((
[17:17] <Guest95344> hello, how can install offline pack debs software, oldest used"sudo apt-get --print-uris --yes install xxxxx | grep ^\' | cut -d\' -f2 > mydownload.txt", now this tacktiks dnot run output:"E: Unable to locate package <package>"
[17:18] <kpcyrd> is there a security channel? https://bugs.debian.org/800787 affects ubuntu and I haven't seen a reaction for days
[17:19] <kpcyrd> arch patched this within hours after bringing it to their attention
[17:22] <Guest95344> how can install offline pack debs software, oldest used"sudo apt-get --print-uris --yes install xxxxx | grep ^\' | cut -d\' -f2 > mydownload.txt", now this tacktiks dnot run output:"E: Unable to locate package <package>", Has anyone idea?
[17:26] <trism> Guest42341: found it, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/html/view/head:/images-source/ubuntu/welcome-15.10.xcf (not a png or a svg but you can export it from gimp)
[17:28] <Guest42341> trism, omg! thanks :D i was looking on here https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/wily/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/wily
[17:29] <Guest42341> trism, :P
[17:29] <Guest42341> trism, i wish i had a cookie to give you :P
[17:30] <kaliL> quit
[17:30] <ffl4-v> how do I get the macbook pro trackpad working correctly?
[17:30] <trism> !cookie | trism
[17:30] <Guest42341> trism, here you go http://i.imgur.com/6xq9Df1.jpg
[17:30] <trism> Guest42341: hehe thanks
[17:30]  * Guest42341 :D
[17:31] <ffl4-v> ?
[17:33] <Sbur> Ubuntu 15.04 64 bit.  Brother MFC6490CW all in one printer and scanner.  They don't communicate.  But I've done things with | grep and there are things there for Brother
[17:34] <tiblock> Hi. I have old hardware and GRUB was refusing to work so i installed LILO and now BIOS dont want to load from network. It is loading LILO even if i remove HDD from boot defices. Does LILO change BIOS?
[17:35] <Sbur> Please see my "dpkg -l | grep Brother" verbose at ... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12716954/
[17:35] <rd-dev> hello
[17:36] <rd-dev> I have a problem with my kernel after an update
[17:36] <Sbur> rd-dev: "A problem with my kernel" doesn't tell me much
[17:36] <rd-dev> https://gist.github.com/moskiteau/927a4a20f649d144eb46
[17:37] <rd-dev> sorry, I was pasting ;)
[17:37] <rd-dev> I have been trying to clean them all, except the ony I currently use (uname -r -> 3.16.0-46-generic)
[17:38] <rd-dev> I am freakign out :D
[17:39] <julian-delphiki> rd-dev: Please try to keep your messages all on one line. What would you like help with.
[17:39] <Sbur> rd-dev: I can imagine.  What distro and what version are you using
[17:40] <rd-dev> Linux PHQ-4035-En 3.16.0-46-generic #62~14.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Tue Aug 11 16:27:16 UTC 2015 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:40] <Sbur> julian-delphiki: Am I on the right channel for a question about printing problems with an all in one printer and scanner?  Brother is the brand
[17:40] <julian-delphiki> Sbur: on ubuntu?
[17:40] <Sbur> Ubuntu 15.04 64 bit, I think
[17:41] <ffl4-v> how do I get the macbook pro trackpad working correctly?
[17:41] <Sbur> I did a dpkg -l | grep Brother and pasted this ...http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12716954/
[17:41] <julian-delphiki> Sbur: and it jsut doesn't work?
[17:42] <Sbur> julian-delphiki: I'm a noobie at tech things.  I'm trying.  I Sent something to get printed and I try to scan with it, but nothing comes out
[17:43] <julian-delphiki> Hmm, I can't say i'm the best at printers in linux.
[17:43] <bomber> TJ- how's it going?
[17:43] <julian-delphiki> Even on OSX they perplex me sometimes.
[17:43] <julian-delphiki> Sbur: did you install the drivers from brother?
[17:43] <Sbur> julian-delphiki: I think I did, yes
[17:43] <Sbur> julian-delphiki: My paste might be more helpful
[17:43] <rd-dev> so, any ideas?
[17:44] <julian-delphiki> rd-dev: you haven't really told us what your problem is.
[17:44] <julian-delphiki> Sbur: yeah, I looked, did you download stuff from the brother website?
[17:44] <julian-delphiki> or did you just install from the ubuntu repos?
[17:44] <Giant81> ahh found my nomachine problem
[17:44] <Sbur> julian-delphiki: Think it was from Brother
[17:44] <Giant81> everytime I touch the window, it pegs a CPU
[17:45] <julian-delphiki> Sbur: Okay, if you don't know for sure you might want to try again. What model is the printer?
[17:45] <rd-dev> https://gist.github.com/moskiteau/927a4a20f649d144eb46
[17:45] <Sbur> julian-delphiki: MFC 6490 CW
[17:45] <rd-dev> well, I can't update, autoremove, upgrade
[17:46] <julian-delphiki> rd-dev: try dpkg --configure -a
[17:46] <digitsm> Hello
[17:46] <fandi__> hi all
[17:46] <fandi__> i try to install ubuntu using pxe
[17:46] <rd-dev> I get the same error as when I do apt-get -f install
[17:46] <julian-delphiki> Sbur: Grab the Driver Install Tool from here: http://support.brother.com/g/b/downloadlist.aspx?c=us&lang=en&prod=mfc6490cw_all&os=128
[17:47] <julian-delphiki> fandi__: and?
[17:47] <fandi__> and always find error " the installer cannot find a suitables kernel package to install "
[17:47] <rd-dev> it's pointing to old kernel files that I removed
[17:47] <julian-delphiki> rd-dev: and it isn't the kernel you are running currently?
[17:47] <fandi__> julian-delphiki, what should i do
[17:47] <digitsm> I recently installed a Xubuntu on a primary ext4 partition on my external HDD. But after installation and reboot I get this error: file `/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found
[17:47] <digitsm> What should I do?
[17:47] <rd-dev> nop, check the gist, all the details are there
[17:48] <julian-delphiki> fandi__: I'm not sure honestly.
[17:48] <julian-delphiki> rd-dev: okay, how about apt-get autoremove
[17:48] <digitsm> I also installed grub on /dev/sdb (portable USB hdd), and I repeated this procedure 3 times. I am sure 'normal.mod' is in that path
[17:48] <fandi__> this is my preseed conf
[17:48] <fandi__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717061/
[17:48] <rd-dev> same...
[17:48] <digitsm> I don't know why grub doesn't load
[17:48] <EriC^^> digitsm: are you in the live usb right now?
[17:49] <digitsm> EriC^^, Not yet, but if you want I can boot to the Live installer USB
[17:49] <EriC^^> digitsm: ok are you in grub rescue right now?
[17:49] <digitsm> EriC^^, yes
[17:49] <EriC^^> type ls
[17:49] <ioria> rd-dev,  seems  that initramfs-tools  want  to use     3.16.50    kernel , that you don't have: grep: /boot/config-3.16.0-50-generic: No such file or directory
[17:50] <julian-delphiki> rd-dev: and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't fix it?
[17:50] <digitsm> Eric^^: (hd0) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos1) (hd1) (hd1,msdos2) (hd1,msdos1) (fd0)
[17:50] <JethroTux> setting umask to 055 should give u=rw,g=x,o=x. instead I get -rw--w--w-. why is that??
[17:50] <digitsm> I assume the external USB hdd is (hd0)
[17:50] <julian-delphiki> rd-dev: oh, give this a try `sudo update-initramfs -d -k 3.16.0-50-generic`
[17:50] <EriC^^> JethroTux: 7 - 5 = 2 = write
[17:51] <digitsm> (hd1) is internal hdd with windows
[17:51] <EriC^^> 066 = rwx x x
[17:52] <JethroTux> EriC^^, 7-5 should be for dirs. I thought it was 6-5
[17:52] <JethroTux> i'm a little confused
[17:52] <digitsm> EriC^^, Now what?
[17:52] <digitsm> And thanks in advance
[17:52] <EriC^^> digitsm: ls (hd0,msdos1)/
[17:53] <julian-delphiki> JethroTux: a umask of 055 should give 'rw--w--w-' for files and 'rwx-w--w-' for dirs.
[17:53] <Sbur> julian-delphiki: I am not succeeding in unzipping the *.gz file
[17:54] <julian-delphiki> Sbur: that's because it's a gzip :)
[17:54] <julian-delphiki> Sbur: tar xf gzfile
[17:54] <JethroTux> EriC^^, it's the same if I set it this way: $ umask u=rwx,g=x,o=x ; I get -rw-------
[17:54] <digitsm> Eric^^: OK, It lists all folders in ext4 root of my external hdd
[17:54] <JethroTux> julian-delphiki, ??
[17:54] <EriC^^> digitsm: ok, type ls (hd0,msdos1)/boot
[17:55] <julian-delphiki> JethroTux: what are you ultimately trying to accomplish
[17:55] <rd-dev> trying*
[17:56] <JethroTux> I would like to set umask giving rwx for owner, and x for others and group
[17:56] <digitsm> EriC^^, Very weird!!!! after "ls (hd0,msdos1)/boot is doesn't list anything
[17:56] <soman> Why daemon isn't start with 'service mydaemon start' and on OS load but if I just run the daemon's binary manually from terminal it works well? Where could be the problem/
[17:57] <EriC^^> digitsm: ok, type ls (hd0,msdos3)/
[17:57] <digitsm> EriC^^, It only shows /
[17:57] <rd-dev> now it's: Fatal: open /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-31-generic.efi.signed: No such file or directory
[17:57] <digitsm> EriC^^, It give error: unknown filesystem
[17:57] <digitsm> because msdos3 (or sdb3) is ntfs
[17:58] <julian-delphiki> rd-dev: how exactly did you go about removing the old kernels.
[17:58] <digitsm> EriC^^, And it doesn't recognize msdos5 and 6 which are in extended partition msdos4
[17:58] <EriC^^> digitsm: ok, boot the live usb
[17:58] <digitsm> But anyway it doesn't need them to boot either
[17:58] <rd-dev> with dpkg purge
[17:59] <digitsm> EriC^^, OK, thank you very much
[17:59] <ioria> rd-dev, can you paste   ls /boot   ?
[17:59] <AEL-H> First off I want to say I am quite an inexperienced user. My SD card mounts to /media/removable/SD\ Card -- They key problem here being the space in the name. I have downloaded a program but for whatever reason their installer does not allow for spaces to be in the directory name-- Is there any easy way I can just make it mount to /media/removable/SDCard ? I had a look in /etc/fstab but it says "# Unconfigured fstab for base system" and I am unsure how to proc
[18:00] <digitsm> EriC^^, Are you online next 10mins? Because I have to go somewhere but I will be back 10mins later
[18:00] <rd-dev> ioria: https://gist.github.com/moskiteau/927a4a20f649d144eb46
[18:00] <digitsm> EriC^^, thank you
[18:00] <EriC^^> AEL-H: you could maybe change the label
[18:01] <EriC^^> digitsm: ok, np
[18:01] <Sbur> julian-delphiki: It's so much easier when you I get help
[18:01] <Sbur> julian-delphiki: Thx
[18:01] <julian-delphiki> Sbur: no problem.
[18:02] <ioria> rd-dev, for me you have to remove the initrd.img- ..... (not the 46, i mean, that you are up)
[18:04] <Trinity> is there a way for youtube-dl to auto save things title and artist etc to the audio properties?
[18:04] <Trinity> file audio properties*
[18:05] <Trinity> nvmd
[18:05] <Trinity> got it working
[18:11] <wakeatnight> why is gnome keyring not always unlocking? openbox+gdm ob 15.04..
[18:12] <wakeatnight> +ubuntu gnome edition
[18:14] <digitsm> Ok EriC^^, I came back, now I am in Live USB installer. Now what?
[18:14] <linuxuz3r> sudo -s
[18:14] <linuxuz3r> rm -rf /
[18:15] <linuxuz3r> no jk
[18:15] <TJ-> linuxuz3r: That is not appropriate in this channel
[18:15] <EriC^^> digitsm: type sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:17] <digitsm> EriC^^, http://termbin.com/mwch
[18:19] <EriC^^> digitsm: ok so you installed ubuntu to the seagate hdd? no separate /boot?
[18:20] <digitsm> EriC^^, Yes, on 2TB Seagate Expansion USB HDD, and all in a single ext4 partition
[18:20] <digitsm> not separate /boot
[18:20] <EriC^^> ok, type sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
[18:21] <digitsm> EriC^^, OK
[18:22] <digitsm> EriC^^, Then?
[18:22] <EriC^^> type ls -l /mnt/boot
[18:25] <digitsm> EriC^^, http://www.termbin.com/qhz7
[18:26] <digitsm> EriC^^, Do you want me to reinstall grub?
[18:27] <EriC^^> digitsm: type for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[18:27] <digitsm> EriC^^, Should I follow this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/88384/how-can-i-repair-grub-how-to-get-ubuntu-back-after-installing-windows ?
[18:28] <digitsm> your commands are like those in that page :D
[18:28] <xela2244>  hi, how can i change dolphin background color? i'm using kubuntu 15.04
[18:28] <EriC^^> no
[18:28] <digitsm> EriC^^, OK
[18:28] <EriC^^> digitsm: type sudo chroot /mnt
[18:30] <digitsm> EriC^^, Now I am in "root@xubuntu:/#"
[18:30] <EriC^^> digitsm: ok, type grub-install --recheck /dev/sdb
[18:31] <digitsm> EriC^^, It says "Installing for i386-pc platform".
[18:31] <[n0mad]> i'm so glad i cleaned up my home directory a little before i decided to move it. this rsync is taking a while
[18:31] <digitsm> Then: "Installation finished. No error reported."
[18:31] <Diplomat> Hey guys, anyone has any idea what could be wrong? I have 2x Ubuntu VMs in my Windows machine and local networking is working fine.. but requests are not reaching those Ubuntu servers. I have disabled Windows firewall completely and I have done iptables -F, but it's still not working. Any ideas ?
[18:32] <EriC^^> digitsm: actually, type apt-get install --reinstall grub2 grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub-gfxpayload-lists grub-common grub2-common
[18:32] <EriC^^> digitsm: and apt-get install --reinstall os-prober
[18:33] <digitsm> EriC^^, Oooo, wait please
[18:36] <digitsm> EriC^^, It says package grub2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[18:36] <EriC^^> digitsm: it's ok, install the rest though
[18:36] <krabador> with that http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717125/  and that http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717271/ , no hdmi sound out on xubuntu 15.04 , with that aplay -D plughw:0,8 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav    aplay: main:722 Device Busy
[18:37] <digitsm> EriC^^, It says nothing can be downloaded (I am still in chroot)
[18:37] <tavooca> help :(
[18:37] <krabador> tavooca, pose the question
[18:38] <tavooca> sudo mpsyt
[18:38] <tavooca> mps-youtube not run
[18:38] <rd-dev> ioria: I did but it didnt help
[18:38] <digitsm> EriC^^, It seems that it is not connected to internet inside chroot
[18:38] <tavooca> raceback (most recent call last):
[18:38] <tavooca>   File "/usr/local/bin/mpsyt", line 9, in <module>
[18:38] <tavooca>     load_entry_point('mps-youtube==0.2.5', 'console_scripts', 'mpsyt')()
[18:38] <tavooca>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 351, in load_entry_point
[18:38] <tavooca>     return get_distribution(dist).load_entry_point(group, name)
[18:38] <tavooca>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 2363, in load_entry_point
[18:38] <tavooca>     return ep.load()
[18:39] <krabador> tavooca, read mps-youtube documentation
[18:39] <ioria> rd-dev, may i ask you why are you using the 3.16.0-46  ?
[18:40] <tavooca> krabador, sudo pip install mps-youtube --upgrade
[18:41] <digitsm> EriC^^, I can still get pings, but it seems  that dns is not working. So it can't get packages
[18:42] <krabador> tavooca, ok, but it's a mps-youtube issue
[18:42] <digitsm> EriC^^, Shouldn't I also mount /var into /mnt/var?
[18:42] <rd-dev> ioria: no idea, it was installed without my knowledge
[18:42] <rd-dev> I would actually want anything that works haha
[18:43] <ioria> rd-dev, current is 3.16.0-50-generic  for 14.04.3 LTS
[18:43] <ioria> rd-dev, cat /etc/issue ?
[18:44] <whataha> I won't think and is over $380 miles from spot in human off a French of random rap on the for married
[18:44] <whataha> good girl. by the basektball album. its ok. 1187songs, 12hrs downloading them sucked to kickin my teeth. spit is been has born
[18:44] <whataha> es those? heh. lol. ultimately, "speed" is clean. never inconvenience to see
[18:44] <whataha> _Forbin: the most and the patience to get used to leave asked her worlds. meh
[18:44] <digitsm> EriC^^, I think we should also mount /run into /mnt/run
[18:44] <whataha> why-im-dumping-arrest in ther how about win 10. yarddog: i like 12. party! get used tongue" u hear me runatrain
[18:44] <whataha> (Malbin: the might it reach in that's not racist. all europe is a day. Vikings lock u thing my tonic! get naked! pants?! we dont was stories hands
[18:45] <whataha> i didn't still able when the tinder of big boobs open: this inferior to get used to see
[18:45] <whataha> _Forbin: these in ever how to american in and safe. NOODLEARM. the food and soccer = grass fairy's. why dont was legal. Viking vital
[18:45] <rd-dev> Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS \n \l
[18:45] <whataha> chrome | ExtremeTech. haha chick riding vital
[18:45] <ioria> !info linux-generic
[18:45] <whataha> chrome Why I'm dumping they article and they're open: this...is a socer = grass fairy's. we was good and soccer
[18:45] <whataha> you are me! all take a bicycle want see it reach into my software. ooo. soccer jersey. - Imgur to wait sucks. culture: yeah, like things. Blair Walsh receives extensions update socer as i do?. no. i would have this on 7-11 doors when when that's not racist. all take a $14 breakfast
[18:45] <whataha> i didn't sting pleasant.. still land these hands will fuckin shit out. I mean. no. i mean they'll take a yelp comment
[18:45] <ioria> rd-dev, do you have backup ?
[18:45] <rd-dev> ioria: ok, I think I just figured out why. It's because of nvidia/CUDA
[18:45] <whataha> "I gave drugs? thats when the fuck out. I mean the tip of alabama. specimens inferior to reach into mobile. crap. i've never inconvenies though. profiling!
[18:45] <ioria> rd-dev, i see
[18:46] <whataha> fuckin' game? nice was legal. Viking Him Cheating ever do another channel and safe. NOT CLICKING. how to chrome toe and soccer jersy if it wait 40minutes funny and soccer
[18:46] <tavooca> krabador, I have to upgrade python, you'll have some manual update as if I work with version 2.7
[18:46] <whataha> Key NFL over Brady. pants. i became the stories or pic plz. L0c0: i just post amazing an ice was still go to leave drugs? that i do?. no beer! el puton!
[18:46] <rd-dev> it's not deleting the video drivers and probably that is why it is blocking the autoremove etc
[18:46] <digitsm> EriC^^, I also mounted /run and now I can install packages you siad
[18:46] <ioria> rd-dev, sudo lshw -c video ?
[18:46] <digitsm> *said
[18:47] <rd-dev> PCI (sysfs)
[18:47] <ioria> rd-dev, not here+
[18:48] <rd-dev> it's showing nothing ioria
[18:49] <ioria> rd-dev, sudo lshw -c video     again, please
[18:49] <rd-dev> https://gist.github.com/moskiteau/927a4a20f649d144eb46
[18:49] <ioria> rd-dev, broken
[18:50] <ioria> rd-dev, do you have backup ?
[18:50] <rd-dev> no :(
[18:50] <ioria> rd-dev, can you login , yes?
[18:50] <hummus19> im trying to run ./update-script.sh but it's not working.  how could I log what is going on?
[18:51] <rd-dev> yes, I am using the comput right now with gnome
[18:52] <rd-dev> I am going to make a backup now
[18:52] <ioria> rd-dev, well, purge nvidia* and install linux-generic
[18:55] <rd-dev> ok, i need to reboot
[18:55] <ioria> rd-dev, how did you install the nvidia driver ?
[18:55] <ioria> rd-dev, yes
[18:56] <digitsm> EriC^^, I forgot to say that my Ubuntu installer was 14.04.1 LTS, because I didn't want the 3.16 kernel. So I chose the last version with 3.13 kernel
[18:56] <digitsm> EriC^^, It is a Xubuntu14.04.1 LTS 32 bit
[18:56] <digitsm> I hope the problem is not from my xubuntu being old
[18:58] <EriC^^> digitsm: ok, type update-grub
[18:58] <EriC^^> then type exit and reboot
[18:59] <digitsm> EriC^^, Thanks, I am still installing those packages. My internet is still a little slow
[19:08] <freeman__> hello
[19:08] <[n0mad]> why would a diff of /home and /media/home after an rsync show directories or files that do not exist in either location
[19:10] <digitsm> EriC^^, I did all things you said, and rebooted. Still the same issue
[19:11] <freeman__> my hp printer stopped working after working for me a couple years. i been using ubuntu 15 for a couple years as well. it would say in the print que that its not connected, but it is connected to the wireless network. . . so i uninstalled the printer, reinstalled it, noticed i could not select hplip drivers, so i went ipp and it still doesn't work, so then i reinstalled the hplip from the software center, and i still can't select hpli
[19:11] <freeman__> p drivers when trying to add a printer, i also tried the hp-setup in terminal and it didn't find it
[19:11] <digitsm> EriC^^, Still in grub-rescue (hd0,msdos1)/boot seems to be empty
[19:11] <freeman__> can somebody offer me some advice how to get my hp printer working again
[19:12] <digitsm> EriC^^, I want Xubuntu to be installed only in one ext4 on my external HDD for a specific purpose
[19:12] <freeman__> i meant to say, it stopped working for me after* a couple years
[19:12] <TJ-> digitsm: how many GRUB devices does "ls" report?
[19:13] <freeman__> anybody here know about hp printers?
[19:13] <TJ-> freeman__: have you checked the status/config in the CUPS web admin: http://localhost:631/
[19:14] <freeman__> tj im there right now
[19:14] <freeman__> i dont know where status/config is
[19:14] <freeman__> (i never had to use the hplip browser)
[19:14] <TJ-> freeman__: There are various tabs; your user needs to be in the 'lpadmin' group to access some of the management options. Check that at a terminal with "groups"
[19:15] <freeman__> im in that group then
[19:15] <freeman__> i used groups in terminal and i got:
[19:15] <freeman__> user adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare bumblebee
[19:16] <TJ-> freeman__: OK, so you can access management/admin options in the CUPS interface
[19:16] <freeman__> ok
[19:16] <TJ-> freeman__: Administration > Printers (Manage Printers)
[19:17] <freeman__> it took me to a search page that says No printers.
[19:17] <freeman__> when i clicked manage printers
[19:17] <TJ-> freeman__: Ahhh, so it went missing
[19:17] <freeman__> i clicked search and it still says no printers
[19:17] <freeman__> now i dont have it presently installed anymore because
[19:17] <TJ-> freeman__: is the printer a network printer?
[19:17] <freeman__> i cant select hplip on the add printers process
[19:17] <freeman__> yes
[19:17] <freeman__> its connected to my wifi
[19:18] <freeman__> and my pc as well
[19:18] <freeman__> and ichecked o nthe router its there
[19:18] <digitsm> TJ-, This is output of "ls" in grub rescue: (hd0) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos1) (hd1) (hd1,msdos2) (hd1,msdos1) (fd0)
[19:18] <TJ-> freeman__: connected over the network, and via USB?
[19:18] <freeman__> i dont have a usb cable
[19:18] <freeman__> it didnt come with one
[19:18] <freeman__> but i could go to the store and buy one, i dont want to do that because i have never needed one
[19:18] <freeman__> its a wireless printer
[19:18] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, how about "ls (hd1,msdos1)/"  ... any sign of the boot files you're looking for?
[19:18] <digitsm> hd1 is internal hdd with windows, hd0 is external 2TB hdd with xubuntu and grub installed on 1 partition of it
[19:19] <TJ-> freeman__: You said the printer was also connected to the PC, so I assumed you meant using USB.
[19:19] <freeman__> ahh yeah thats not what i mean
[19:19] <freeman__> i mean they are both connected to my wifi network
[19:19] <freeman__> the printer by the way worked great for a loong time
[19:20] <digitsm> TJ-, the result is: error: unknown filesystem. Because (hd1,msdos1) is ntgs
[19:20] <digitsm> *ntfs
[19:20] <freeman__> on occasion i had to remove and re-add the printer
[19:20] <TJ-> freeman__: So, assuming the PC has all the hplip packages installed, then in CUPS Administration > Add Printer
[19:20] <freeman__> yeah i reinstalled the hplip drivers so i thnk so
[19:20] <freeman__> it says now
[19:20] <freeman__> authentication required
[19:20] <freeman__> A username and password are being requested by http://localhost:631. The site says: "CUPS"
[19:21] <freeman__> do i use my user account and password for ubuntu?????
[19:21] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, that makes sense. Thought it best to check ;) ... I missed your earlier issue. You're expecting (hf0,msdos1) to be just a /boot/ file-system, or is that the operating system root file-system ?
[19:21] <freeman__> i got that popup from clicking add printer
[19:21] <mojtaba> Hi, I just restart my computer and now keepass2 does not run. Does anybody know what should I do? :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/12712182/
[19:21] <freeman__> admin>printers>add printer = authentication required A username and password are being requested by http://localhost:631. The site says: "CUPS"
[19:21] <TJ-> freeman__: Yes, your regular user/password (this is why being in the lpadmin group is required)
[19:21] <freeman__> ok
[19:22] <freeman__> cool it discovered it
[19:22] <Olotila> how do I defrag a windows partition from ubuntu?
[19:22] <freeman__> il try this way
[19:22] <digitsm> TJ-, (hd0,msdos1) is root file system which also contains /boot
[19:22] <Olotila> I need to resize the partition and to do that, I want to move all data to the beginning of the partition
[19:22] <sewardrobert> Hello, my daughter is learning Japanese and using lbuntu on an older laptop. How can she enter Kanji characters? Etc. I tried adding a Japanese "Keyboard Input" for her. Pressing "Super Space" key sequence shows  "JP and US" in a nice dialog on the screen. However regardless of how the input is toggled, Kanji char input sequences do NOT output Kanji chars.
[19:22] <TJ-> digitsm: if /boot/ is in the OS root file-system then I'd expect it to be (hdX,msdosY)/boot/ but if it has a separate file system I'd expect (hdX,msdosY)/
[19:22] <freeman__> Printer HP_ENVY_4500_series default options have been set successfully.
[19:22] <freeman__> cool let me test this
[19:23] <TJ-> digitsm: Hmmm, and you're missing the /boot/ directory entirely? or its empty?
[19:23] <Gambit__> mojtaba:  Error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
[19:23] <freeman__> ok TJ i still have the same issue i had in the very beginning before i tried reinstalling things
[19:24] <freeman__> i tried printing some documents and in the print qeue it says:
[19:24] <TJ-> freeman__: CUPS now sees the printer though?
[19:24] <Gambit__> Checked your ram/disk use?
[19:24] <freeman__> processing - not connected?
[19:24] <freeman__> yeah it installed it so i thnk so
[19:24] <TJ-> freeman__: So, we can look at the log files
[19:24] <freeman__> ok
[19:24] <TJ-> freeman__: in a terminal check the most recently changed CUPs logs with "ls -latr /var/log/cups/"
[19:25] <digitsm> TJ-, It is very weird, because when I mount that partition it contains /boot, but in grub rescue it sees it empty
[19:25] <freeman__> HP_ENVY_4500_series-133  	Unknown  	Withheld  	398k  	1  	processing since
[19:25] <freeman__> Thu 08 Oct 2015 03:23:09 PM EDT
[19:25] <freeman__> "Unable to locate printer
[19:25] <TJ-> freeman__: I think you'll need to look at acces_log and error_log
[19:25] <freeman__> ok let me try that terminal command
[19:25] <TJ-> digitsm: when you say 'empty' do you mean no /boot/ directory at all?
[19:25] <freeman__> tj i put in ls -latr /var/log/cups/
[19:25] <freeman__> and this is the result:
[19:26] <TJ-> !paste | freeman__
[19:26] <freeman__> ok
[19:26] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717859/
[19:26] <TJ-> freeman__: I suggest you "sudo apt-get install pastebinit" if you haven't already :)
[19:26] <freeman__> whats that
[19:26] <TJ-> freeman__: a command-line pasting tool; does all the hard work for you
[19:26] <freeman__> cool
[19:26] <mojtaba> Gambit__: I have 12GB of RAM and I have double checked my HDD using df -h
[19:27] <freeman__> i installed it
[19:27] <mojtaba> Gambit__: I have lots of free resources!
[19:27] <TJ-> freeman__: once you've installed it do "pastebinit /var/log/cups/access_log"
[19:27] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717873/
[19:27] <freeman__> cool it works
[19:27] <digitsm> TJ-, In grub rescue I can ls (hd0,msdos1)/boot
[19:27] <freeman__> i mean the pastebin thing works
[19:27] <digitsm> But its output is
[19:27] <digitsm> /
[19:27] <Caleb--> hi, the last couple of days my ubuntu system has rebooted 3 times for unknown reasons. i checked the syslog but i can't see anything suspicious before the reboot, nor do i see any crashes in /var/crash
[19:28] <freeman__> ok i dont understand all that stuff it pasted
[19:28] <freeman__> do u understand that stuff tj
[19:28] <Caleb--> i'm running 15.04. what else can i do to see what could've bene the problem?
[19:28] <TJ-> digitsm: That makes sense to me *if* the OS is using a different partition for the /boot/ file-system. how about "ls (hd0,msd0s3)/"
[19:28] <digitsm> TJ- So grub rescue sees /boot directory but w/o any file
[19:28] <TJ-> freeman__: Yes... now show me "pastebinit /var/log/cups/error_log"
[19:28] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm
[19:29] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717886/
[19:29] <digitsm> TJ-, But (hd0,msdos3) is ntfs
[19:29] <digitsm> it can't ls it
[19:29] <TJ-> digitsm: if the /etc/fstab has e.g. "/dev/sda3 /boot/ ..." then there's a separate boot file-system
[19:29] <TJ-> digitsm: any other partitions?
[19:29] <sewardrobert> Hello, my daughter is learning Japanese and using lbuntu on an older laptop. How can she enter Kanji characters? Etc. I tried adding a Japanese "Keyboard Input" for her. Pressing "Super Space" key sequence shows  "JP and US" in a nice dialog on the screen. However regardless of how the input is toggled, Kanji char input sequences do NOT output Kanji chars.
[19:30] <digitsm> TJ-, I have many partitions on my enternal hdd, but only msdos1 is ext4. Others are either ntfs or swap
[19:30] <TJ-> digitsm: looking back, the only other option is (hd1,msdos2)/ I think
[19:30] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717886/
[19:30] <digitsm> TJ-, There isn't any (hd1,msdos2)/
[19:31] <TJ-> digitsm: earlier you showed "(hd0) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos1) (hd1) (hd1,msdos2) (hd1,msdos1) (fd0)" as devices GRUB found
[19:31] <mojtaba> Anyone else?
[19:31] <digitsm> Because I deleted 2 separate partitions msdos1 (/boot) and msdos2 (/) and made a new partition instead
[19:32] <digitsm> Oh, I confused with (hd0,msdos2)
[19:32] <OerHeks> freeman__, i just searched for those errors, and came across this page, http://askubuntu.com/questions/480568/vanishing-printers-under-ubuntu-14-04
[19:32] <TJ-> digitsm: you deleted them? how exactly? Using a live ISO?
[19:32] <freeman__> thanks tj im going to try that
[19:32] <freeman__> sudo apt-get purge cups_browsed
[19:32] <digitsm> both (hd1,msdos1) and (hd1,msdos2) are ntfs I think. msdos1 is Windows recovery, msdos2 is C:\ in windows
[19:33] <digitsm> TJ-, I deleted them using Gparted in Live USB
[19:33] <TJ-> freeman__: show me "pastebinit <( tail -n 500 /var/log/syslog )"
[19:34] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, and one of the was a separate file-system for /boot/ ? So you've done some invasive manual changes to the system organisation which led to this?
[19:34] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717921/
[19:35] <digitsm> TJ-,  Yeah one of them was /boot. But I deleted them both, made a new ext4 partition instead of them and then reinstalled Xubuntu from scratch
[19:35] <digitsm> So there should no be any problem
[19:35] <freeman__> before i did that pastebinit <( tail -n 500 /var/log/syslog ), i tried sudo apt-get purge cups_browsed, and the result of that one was: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717916/
[19:35] <digitsm> Because I reinstalled xubuntu
[19:36] <freeman__> but yeah the result from the pastebinit <( tail -n 500 /var/log/syslog ) is here:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717921/
[19:38] <TJ-> freeman__: There's a lot of unexpected 'crud' there related to org.gtk.vfs.Daemon - does the HP printer have memory card slots, and is there anything in them?
[19:38] <freeman__> i tried my printer again still not working
[19:38] <freeman__> umm i dont know
[19:38] <freeman__> i never used memory cards with it and i dont think it has any
[19:38] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, thanks, that makes sense. Obviously something major has gone wrong if you can't even see the kernels, let alone the grub files!
[19:39] <freeman__> i just took a look at hte front of my printer and i didnt notice any memory card slots
[19:39] <TJ-> freeman__: OK, those messages are probably from something local on the PC then. They pollute the log file unduly and as the timestamps are very recent I wondered if they were related to the printer being detected.
[19:39] <freeman__> i dont know how toread all that stuff
[19:39] <freeman__> looks like greek to me
[19:40] <digitsm> TJ-, But I can see files inside /boot when I mount that partition in Live USB. But I don't know why grub can't see them
[19:40] <freeman__> or latin or something anyway
[19:40] <digitsm> It seems very weird
[19:40] <TJ-> freeman__: "pastebinit /var/log/cups/page_log"
[19:40] <KCmetro> what's the command for opening the GUI for network manager?
[19:40] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717976/
[19:41] <TJ-> digitsm: That suggests to me the install is using a separate /boot/ file-system in another device somewhere.
[19:41] <TJ-> digitsm: you'd expect the OS root file-system to have an empty /boot/ if that is the case
[19:41] <OerHeks> KCmetro, just click on the nm icon on your top panel ( unity)
[19:41] <TJ-> freeman__: can you "pastebinit <( arp ) "
[19:42] <digitsm> TJ-, but the OS root file-system has a non-empty /boot
[19:42] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12717986/
[19:43] <TJ-> digitsm: currently you're doing "ls (hd0,msdos1)/boot/" and seeing an emtpy directory. What do you see with "ls (hd0,msd0s1)/" - the diretories belonging to a standard Linux root file-system?
[19:43] <digitsm> TJ-, I also did many different experiments on this external HDD before. I installed Xubuntu many times to test it, and in some point I even installed Extlinux instead of grub on the MBR
[19:43] <Giant81> can I resize my swap to give space to my root partition easily?
[19:43] <Giant81> or will tha tonly work if I'm running lvs?
[19:43] <freeman__> that 10.0.0.10 is my hp printer
[19:44] <kami-sama> slt
[19:44] <freeman__> i checked on my router
[19:44] <TJ-> freeman__: your print is 10.0.0.10 - try "ping -nc 5 10.0.0.10" and ensure it responds
[19:44] <freeman__> ok
[19:44] <KCmetro> what's the command for opening the GUI for network manager? i tried a simple: sudo NetworkManager
[19:44] <KCmetro> but it didn't work
[19:44] <TJ-> digitsm: is hd0 only MBR; not GPT ?
[19:44] <KCmetro> that is, something happened, but no window opened
[19:44] <freeman__> 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4006ms
[19:44] <freeman__> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.963/39.810/128.768/45.555 ms
[19:44] <TJ-> freeman__: OK, that is good
[19:45] <digitsm> So I had to dd 440bytes into MBR. Although grub rewrites itself after reinstalling but I fear maybe the previous installation of Syslinux may have some effect still
[19:45] <freeman__> yeah i dont know why it doesnt work
[19:45] <KCmetro> anybody else? (other than the people currently discussing other topics)
[19:45] <SCHAAP137> KCmetro: i think it's nm-applet for the indicator/tray icon
[19:45] <digitsm> TJ-, Yeah Only MBr
[19:45] <freeman__> when i try printing again i stil have the error message:
[19:45] <KCmetro> ah thank you
[19:45] <SCHAAP137> from which you can open the GUI
[19:45] <freeman__> processing - not connected? (from the print qeue screen)
[19:45] <KCmetro> i'm running fluxbox, need to open it that way
[19:45] <KCmetro> or at least the window for configuring network interfaces
[19:45] <SCHAAP137> cool, you could consider building a custom session file
[19:46] <SCHAAP137> and put it in /usr/share/xsessions
[19:46] <TJ-> freeman__: can you do "hp-check -t" and then pastebinit the log-file it generates
[19:46] <freeman__> ok
[19:46] <freeman__> i put in the command hp-check -t
[19:46] <tykayn-ubuntu> TJ-: back o/ are you still here for my unity problem? i can now access my computer with ssh
[19:46] <freeman__> should i have used pastebinit hp-check -t
[19:47] <KCmetro> is there a way to open networkmanager without having to click on the tray icon?
[19:47] <freeman__> il pastebin the last part of it i have some errors
[19:47] <TJ-> digitsm: freeman__ no, use the command as I showed, then once it has written the log-file, pastebint that file
[19:47] <freeman__> ok
[19:47] <KCmetro> wait a sec... google's helping out on this one.
[19:47] <freeman__> where is hte log file
[19:47] <TJ-> freeman__: it should be "pastebinit hp-check.log"
[19:47] <freeman__> thanks
[19:47] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718008/
[19:47] <KCmetro> ok cool that nm-applet did the trick
[19:48] <freeman__> i noticed at the end it sais missing dependencies
[19:48] <TJ-> digitsm: If you have the GRUB rescue> shell, then MBR+core.img was loaded, but GRUB cannot find its root. what does "set" say root/prefix should be?
[19:48] <SCHAAP137> KCmetro: i use a similar method when using XMonad, i just start nm-applet and it appears in my stalonetray
[19:49] <KCmetro> cool :) ty
[19:49] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm. Yes you are correct. The result of set is
[19:49] <digitsm> cmdpath=(hd0)
[19:49] <digitsm> prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub
[19:50] <digitsm> root=hd0,msdos1
[19:50] <alfonsojon> Hi guys
[19:50] <alfonsojon> I'm in a VB.net class, and I have an odd request
[19:50] <TJ-> digitsm: which is what we expected. OK. Can you reboot with a Live ISO and let's use a chroot to fix it?
[19:50] <alfonsojon> I figured out I can use MonoDevelop to make .NET programs in VB.net, but there's no designer for it.
[19:50] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718008/
[19:50] <alfonsojon> Is there some program similar to Visual Studio for Ubuntu?
[19:50] <TJ-> freeman__: don't worry about those dependency warnings. The problem I tihnk is the Device URI dnsdd:// is incorrect
[19:51] <tykayn-ubuntu> alfonsojon: you mean, an IDE ?
[19:51] <freeman__> thats cool u have an idea because i have no idea what that means
[19:51] <freeman__> how do i correct that
[19:51] <TJ-> freeman__: we need to manually edit the URI in the CUPS admin interface, via manage printer
[19:51] <tykayn-ubuntu> i advice netbeans for a free solution
[19:51] <freeman__> ok let me go there
[19:51] <digitsm> TJ- Of course I can use chroot
[19:51] <freeman__> can u give me that link again
[19:51] <digitsm> TJ- Please wait
[19:51] <freeman__> to the hplip browser
[19:51] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu> i advice netbeans for a free solution what does this mean?
[19:52] <freeman__> whats that localhost link again
[19:52] <freeman__> i found it
[19:52] <tykayn-ubuntu> wileee: https://netbeans.org/downloads/ this is netbeans
[19:52] <freeman__> ok im at manage printer
[19:52] <TJ-> freeman__: I've taken this from the CUPS text config file under /etc/cups/, for a HP printer here. You can see the style of the URI required: "DeviceURI hp:/net/Officejet_7610_series?ip=10.254.1.5"
[19:52] <wileee> tykayn, I know what net beans are, sounded like you wanted to charge.
[19:53] <freeman__> tj im here at manage printers
[19:53] <freeman__> what do i do
[19:53] <digitsm> TJ-, I executed some commands similar to this guide with the help of EriC^^ but it didn't work: http://askubuntu.com/questions/88384/how-can-i-repair-grub-how-to-get-ubuntu-back-after-installing-windows
[19:53] <freeman__> sorry tj i got confused
[19:53] <freeman__> what do i do wth DeviceURI hp:/net/Officejet_7610_series?ip=10.254.1.5, also i have a 4500
[19:53] <freeman__> not a 7610
[19:54] <TJ-> freeman__: on the Manage Printers list, select the HP queue, press the Administration drop-down button and choose Modify
[19:54] <tykayn-ubuntu> ah you want to do .net, my bad :D i don't know any solution on linux for that
[19:54] <freeman__> ok
[19:54] <tykayn-ubuntu> so if anyone could help me on my freezing ubuntu 14.04 startup issue i would be glad
[19:54] <ioria2_> !info mono-complete
[19:55] <wileee> !14.10 | tykayn it is eol
[19:55] <TJ-> freeman__: you should now see the "Current Connection" highlighted
[19:55] <TJ-> freeman__: which one is highlighted?
[19:55] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, Soory 14.10 is eol you need a supported release is all.
[19:55] <freeman__> im still trying tofind that
[19:55] <freeman__> hold on
[19:55] <freeman__> are u in the browser at localhost:631
[19:55] <freeman__> i go to administration,
[19:55] <freeman__> manage printers,
[19:56] <freeman__> and then i see the printer in a search page
[19:56] <TJ-> freeman__: The version of CUPS I'm using might be different to yours, so you'll have to experiment a bit
[19:56] <freeman__> ok
[19:56] <freeman__> what exactly am i looking for
[19:56] <freeman__> oohh i found that administration dropdown thing
[19:56] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, Sorry miss read that, it is 14.04, give us a description if the issue. ;)
[19:56] <freeman__> ok iwent to modify printer
[19:57] <freeman__> i am here at modify printer and it is giving me options
[19:57] <TJ-> freeman__: Administration > Manage Printers > select the printer queue > Administration button is a drop-down menu - choose Modify Printer from the drop-down
[19:57] <digitsm> TJ-, OK, Now I mounted root partition  in /mnt, binded /sys /proc /run /dev /dev/pts to it and chrooted to it
[19:57] <freeman__> how do i paste a screenshot
[19:57] <tykayn-ubuntu> ok wileee, after a login my ubuntu freezes
[19:57] <TJ-> freeman__: don't worry for now. You should now see a list of connection options with radio-buttons alongside, with only one selected
[19:58] <freeman__> yes
[19:58] <freeman__> that is correct
[19:58] <tykayn-ubuntu> i stopped the freezing by plugin in my RJ45 cable
[19:58] <freeman__> what do i do here
[19:58] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, what does /etc/fstab contain?
[19:58] <tykayn-ubuntu> apparently using wifi made it crash
[19:58] <TJ-> freeman__: Tell me which one is selected
[19:58] <freeman__> Current Connection: 	dnssd://HP%20ENVY%204500%20series%20%5BB192AA%5D._ipp._tcp.local/?uuid=1c852a4d-b800-1f08-abcd-5065f3b192aa
[19:58] <sewardrobert> Hello, my daughter is learning Japanese and using lbuntu on an older laptop. How can she enter Kanji characters? Etc. I tried adding a Japanese "Keyboard Input" for her. Pressing "Super Space" key sequence shows  "JP and US" in a nice dialog on the screen. However regardless of how the input is toggled, Kanji char input sequences do NOT output Kanji chars. Any advice?
[19:58] <tykayn-ubuntu> but the desktop still has issues in displaying. windows are surrounded by fat black border
[19:58] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, Ah, try hitting the esc on boot from grub for text, or modify for a text boot, to see the issue. If you have proprietary graphics installed let us know that.
[19:59] <tykayn-ubuntu> yup, i installed nvidia drivers
[19:59] <digitsm> TJ- Only 2 partitions: an ext4 root and a swap
[19:59] <tykayn-ubuntu> my computer is a laptop acer v17 nitro
[19:59] <TJ-> freeman__: OK, we have to manually edit that. Is there, under "Other Network Printers" a "AppSocket/HP JetDirect" ?
[19:59] <freeman__> yes
[19:59] <tykayn-ubuntu> i can connect to it by ssh
[19:59] <freeman__> should i select that one and continue
[19:59] <TJ-> digitsm: and "ls -altr /boot/" shows the kernels, grub/ dir, etc.?
[19:59] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, If you use proprietary drivers you need to reload them upon a kernel change is all, could this be the issue?
[19:59] <reisio> sewardrobert: might see if #ubuntu-jp has some guidance
[19:59] <freeman__> tj should i select appsocket/hp jetdirect and go with continue
[19:59] <TJ-> freeman__: Yes, and then we'll change the URI
[20:00] <freeman__> ok im here
[20:00] <TJ-> freeman__: You should now have a text edit box
[20:00] <freeman__> yes
[20:00] <freeman__> it sais connection: and in the box it says: socket
[20:00] <tykayn-ubuntu> if i purge the nvidia* packages, could it be working after a reboot ?
[20:00] <TJ-> freeman__: now we have to get the correct URI. It'll start off "hp:/net/"
[20:00] <freeman__> how do i find hte correct uri
[20:00] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, I would try an earlier kernel as one start.
[20:01] <digitsm> TJ-, Yeah, kernel 3.13.0-32, its initrd, grub dir, etc.
[20:01] <tykayn-ubuntu> wileee: what do you mean reload the driver?
[20:01] <freeman__> do i click See "Network Printers" for the correct URI to use with your printer.
[20:01] <TJ-> freeman__: I'm trying to create it using the log files :)
[20:01] <freeman__> i opened the link there on a new tab and its like a manual
[20:01] <freeman__> not really information
[20:01] <KCmetro> ok nm-applet / networkmanager doesn't appear to be what I want
[20:01] <tykayn-ubuntu> hm, i had to upgrade my kernel to 3.19.something to make the wifi work
[20:01] <KCmetro> I clicked on the tray option and it just reconnected me
[20:01] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, some drivers will not follow the kernel update, nvidia is a common one if your using their's.
[20:01] <freeman__> but yeah im still here on the connection page
[20:01] <gdg> hi
[20:01] <elriod> ANY! know how to join the snow plow show irc??
[20:01] <KCmetro> I need to configure it. what is the window/app for that?
[20:01] <tykayn-ubuntu> yup i use their
[20:02] <tykayn-ubuntu> s
[20:02] <elriod> pla?
[20:02] <tykayn-ubuntu> so how to downgrade my kernel ?
[20:02] <TJ-> freeman__: "hp:/net/HP%20ENVY%204500%20series%20%5BB192AA%5D?ip=10.0.0.10
[20:02] <digitsm> TJ- Let me install Extlinux instead of grub
[20:02] <gdg> my ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS keep freezing
[20:02] <MiDOZ> Hello, I have 3 partitions for Windows (System Volume info, Windows Files, and a D:\ Drive for my files) and one extended partition for Linux with 4 Partitions (Swap, /boot, /home, and Ubuntu files) I have them dual booting with grub. I want to install Kali Linux as a 3rd OS on my laptop but the installaton is preventing me to create a 5th partition. Is there a work around? What can be done to solve this problem?
[20:02] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, Bad idea, and why your here now.
[20:02] <gdg> let's say one time per day
[20:02] <TJ-> digitsm: that'll make things worse
[20:02] <freeman__> thanks il try that tj
[20:02] <ash_work> I know this isn't the channel for supervisord questions, but right now stderr from programs started by supervisor are stored to log files with permissions set to 600; does anyone happen to know if you can change supervisor settings to set it to 644? I didn't see anything in the documentation
[20:02] <digitsm> I wanted to install extlinux anyway for a purpose
[20:02] <digitsm> TJ-, Why?
[20:02] <gdg> this is a fresh installation, and it should not :(
[20:02] <tykayn-ubuntu> or maybe i remove the nvidia stuff
[20:02] <wileee> MiDOZ, kali is not supported here is all
[20:02] <gdg> are you aware of any known issue of the kind?
[20:03] <freeman__> ok i did that
[20:03] <TJ-> digitsm: because its not the standard install process, few people are familiar with it
[20:03] <digitsm> TJ-, If it broke then I will install Xubuntu again
[20:03] <halberd> what is the "http" process?  is that httpd? I noticed it was hogging lots of bandwidth and writing to disk so i killed it
[20:03] <MiDOZ> wileee: the main idea is not Kali
[20:03] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, I would use the drivers from the ubuntu repos, software & sources has an additional drivers tag.
[20:03] <freeman__> tj it still doesnt work
[20:03] <tykayn-ubuntu> hmhm
[20:04] <TJ-> digitsm: is the root file system on /dev/sda1 ?
[20:04] <freeman__> oh wait
[20:04] <freeman__> i had to hit modify printer let me try agaain
[20:04] <wileee> MiDOZ, yes it is ask them how to partition this, it is a bad idea anyway that is a usb thumb image for testing.
[20:04] <TJ-> freeman__: we might have to re-work the name, it had all those escaped control characters %XX in it
[20:04] <digitsm> TJ-, No root is on /dev/sdc1
[20:04] <freeman__> ok
[20:05] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, so /dev/sdc is the boot device you want?
[20:05] <freeman__> hmm
[20:05] <digitsm> sda = internal hdd sdb = Live USB, sdc = external hdd
[20:05] <digitsm> TJ-, yes
[20:05] <TJ-> digitsm: so "grub-install /dev/sdc && update-grub"
[20:05] <tykayn-ubuntu> mmh weird thing, my laptop is freezed but i can still run commands via ssh
[20:05] <TJ-> digitsm: after that, there should be /boot/grub/i386-pc/ with all the GRUB modules in
[20:06] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, You can use what drivers you want, we only support from the ubuntu repos here unless there are no other options.
[20:06] <tykayn-ubuntu> k
[20:06] <MiDOZ> wileee: I changed my OS to Install, I want to install another Ubuntu installation now on another partition. Is there a work around?
[20:06] <tykayn-ubuntu> what can i pastebin to see why everything freezed ?
[20:06] <TJ-> freeman__: lets try this by manually inspecting the config file! "sudo pastebinit /etc/cups/printers.conf"
[20:06] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, All you need to know is how to do these upgrades and driver reload if needed, we are assuming that this is the issue as of now.
[20:07] <freeman__> ok
[20:07] <KCmetro> I may have missed an earlier response. How do I open the window for configuring network (like IP) settings? nm-applet didn't work.
[20:07] <tykayn-ubuntu> wileee: i apt-get upgrade ?
[20:07] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718158/
[20:08] <digitsm> TJ-, Yes there are all grub modules in /boot/grub/i386-pc
[20:08] <freeman__> it still not working
[20:08] <wileee> tykayn-ubuntu, You are not understanding, that is okay, I can do no more really.
[20:08] <tykayn-ubuntu> i checked my packages, i have no nvidia stuff installed
[20:08] <digitsm> TJ-, Should I reboot now?
[20:08] <tykayn-ubuntu> hm
[20:08] <TJ-> digitsm: In theory, yes :)
[20:09] <digitsm> TJ-, I did all these steps with the help of EriC^^, But still the same
[20:09] <digitsm> TJ-, Any other idea?
[20:09] <freeman__> i was just going to ask the same question haha
[20:09] <freeman__> any more ideas man
[20:09] <MiDOZ> Hello, I have 3 partitions for Windows (System Volume info, Windows Files, and a D:\ Drive for my files) and one extended partition for Linux with 4 Partitions (Swap, /boot, /home, and Ubuntu files) I have them dual booting with grub. I want to install another Linux as a 3rd OS on my laptop but the installation is preventing me to create a 5th partition. Is there a work around? What can be done to solve this problem? Can it be solved by live booting the iso imag
[20:10] <TJ-> freeman__: OK, making progress. You see the line "<Printer HP_ ..."
[20:10] <freeman__> yes
[20:10] <freeman__> i see it
[20:10] <TJ-> freeman__: the printer name after "<Printer" should be exactly what is used in the DeviceURI path
[20:10] <freeman__> ok
[20:11] <freeman__> let me reinput that
[20:11] <TJ-> freeman__: So, we need to try modifying the printer again, and change the URI once more
[20:11] <digitsm> TJ-, I rebooted, still the same issue
[20:11] <TJ-> digitsm: so you're at the grub rescue> prompt?
[20:11] <digitsm> TJ-, yews
[20:12] <freeman__> hp:/net/HP%20ENVY%204500%20series%20%5BB192AA%5D?ip=10.0.0.10
[20:12] <freeman__> should i change it to:
[20:12] <freeman__> hp:/net/HP_ENVY_4500_series?ip=10.0.0.10
[20:12] <freeman__> ???
[20:12] <elriod> pla?NO!!
[20:12] <TJ-> freeman__: "hp:/net/HP_ENVY_4500_series?ip=10.0.0.10"
[20:12] <elriod> NO!!!
[20:12] <elriod> NO!!!!
[20:12] <freeman__> ok thanks
[20:12] <a7i3n> t
[20:12] <elriod> ANY! know how to join the snow plow show irc??
[20:13] <TJ-> digitsm: OK.. when you booted the PC did you use the BIOS manual boot menu to choose the external device for booting?
[20:13] <digitsm> TJ-, Yes
[20:13] <Pici> elriod: We have no idea what that means, this is the Ubuntu support IRC channel.
[20:13] <freeman__> ok i did that change so let me try printing again
[20:13] <elriod> sorry!!!
[20:13] <freeman__> hmm still doesnt work
[20:13] <digitsm> TJ-, interesting thing: ls (hd0,msdos1) -> Filesystem is ext2. But it should be ext4
[20:14] <digitsm> Maybe it is the issue
[20:14] <digitsm> Although I think grub will mount any ext2/3/4 fs as ext2, because it only has ext2 module
[20:14] <zaldy> Hello
[20:14] <TJ-> digitsm: There are some unusual BIOS bugs that can result in the wrong boot device being passed to the boot-loader, causing it to (try to) load its core.img from the wrong device. I'm wondering if this might be the case here, and the core.img you're currently in is actually from the internal drive.
[20:14] <freeman__> tj u have any more ideas
[20:15] <freeman__> the job is "held"
[20:15] <TJ-> digitsm: ext2 is the lowest-common-denominator for the ext* file-systems, so I think that is OK
[20:15] <TJ-> freeman__: did you try to unhold/retry the job via the CUPS admin?
[20:15] <xwin> is there way to make files absolutely not erasable, even 'root' can't delete?  I tried 'chattr +i file' of file in SDcard then inserted in the Samsung Tab and tried  delete, darn it deleted.
[20:15] <freeman__> i was doing it in the ubuntu gui
[20:15] <freeman__> let me go to that browser
[20:16] <TJ-> freeman__: OK .. just in case the GUI tool isn't talking to the CUPS backend correctly.
[20:16] <digitsm> TJ-, I disconnected the external HDD and it successfully boots to Windows from internal HDD
[20:16] <freeman__> Job 143 has been released for printing.
[20:16] <digitsm> TJ-, So your guess is wrong
[20:16] <freeman__> stil not printing
[20:17] <TJ-> digitsm: No, the core.img being loaded could still come from the internal device
[20:17] <freeman__> ok i tried again
[20:17] <freeman__> HP_ENVY_4500_series-144  	Unknown  	Withheld  	398k  	1  	held since
[20:17] <freeman__> Thu 08 Oct 2015 04:17:25 PM EDT  	
[20:17] <freeman__>  
[20:17] <TJ-> digitsm: BIOS > external device sector 0 boot-strap > core.img (could come from internal or external drive)
[20:17] <freeman__> Job 144 has been released for printing.
[20:18] <freeman__> nothign comes out of the printer
[20:18] <freeman__> the "pages" count just goes up every time ihit release job
[20:18] <TJ-> freeman__: OK. we need some log output. Can you "pastebinit <( tail -n 500 /var/log/syslog )" again
[20:18] <freeman__> ok
[20:19] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718251/
[20:19] <digitsm> TJ-, but how could it still come from internal hdd, all partitions in internal hdd are ntfs
[20:19] <TJ-> digitsm: With MBR core.img is usually in the spare sectors between MBR and start of first partition.
[20:19] <freeman__> do i have to share the printer or something
[20:20] <freeman__> im just guessing, no idea whats going on
[20:20] <TJ-> freeman__: no, everything looks fine so far
[20:20] <freeman__> hmmm
[20:20] <freeman__> do u have more ideas tj
[20:20] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718251/
[20:20] <TJ-> freeman__: Yes! You've got UFW firewall blocking stuff. Disable it
[20:20] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm! Very interesting and strange!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[20:20] <freeman__> OH
[20:20] <freeman__> IS THAT THE ISSUE ALL ALONG LOL
[20:21] <freeman__> i didnt even know it was on
[20:21] <freeman__> ok so i disabled my UFW firewall
[20:21] <freeman__> still not printing
[20:21] <TJ-> digitsm: even if core.img is from the internal, I cannot see how it can cause you not to 'see' files in a file-system... the only explanation is you're not looking at the file-system you think it is
[20:21] <digitsm> TJ-, OK! let me deattach the SATA connector of the internal HDD and see what will happen
[20:22] <TJ-> freeman__: "cupsd: Error attempting to unwrap passphrase from file [/home/user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase]; rc = [-13]"
[20:22] <TJ-> freeman__: Did you say earlier you 'removed' ecryptfs?
[20:22] <freeman__> yeah i have an encrypted disk and an encrypted home folder
[20:22] <freeman__> umm no
[20:22] <freeman__> i didnt remove ecryptfs
[20:22] <freeman__> i dont know exactly how it works
[20:22] <TJ-> freeman__: Well, we have errors we don't want in syslog, and they relate to cups, so lets focus on those
[20:22] <TJ-> freeman__: you're in luck - I do :)
[20:22] <freeman__> i *think* i have a encrypted home folder anyway
[20:23] <freeman__> i just know for sure my hdd is encrypted
[20:23] <freeman__> i have installed ubuntu a few times
[20:23] <TJ-> freeman__: "pastebinit <( mount )"
[20:23] <freeman__> ok
[20:23] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718279/
[20:23] <digitsm> TJ-, I disconnect sata cable of the internal hdd and still going to grub rescue
[20:24] <digitsm> TJ-, So core.img is in ext hdd
[20:24] <Zteam> Hi all  I\m trying to mount my luks encrypted drive from Ubuntu 15.04 in Kali Linux, but Kali just tells me it doesnt recognize it
 The partition is perfectly accesible from Ubuntu, what I\m missing here
[20:24] <TJ-> freeman__: HAHA! line 472 of the syslog pastebin
[20:24] <freeman__> im looking at line 472
[20:24] <TJ-> digitsm: Great test, thanks for checking. I thought it was an outside chance, but always good to have 100% accurate info in these boot problem issues
[20:24] <freeman__> i dont understand it
[20:25] <freeman__> what does it mean
[20:25] <TJ-> freeman__: don't worry, just notice the DENIED part
[20:25] <TJ-> freeman__: does "echo $USER" show "user"
[20:25] <freeman__> let me try
[20:25] <freeman__> it said: user show user
[20:25] <wileee> Zteam, I would ask kali, not sure you're supported here is all, their issue.
[20:25] <digitsm> TJ-, I think the problem come from previous MBR manipulation before reinstalling Xubuntu with grub
[20:26] <freeman__> whatever that means
[20:26] <TJ-> freeman__: OK, so your actual username is "user", correct?
[20:26] <freeman__> yes
[20:26] <tykayn-ubuntu> oh ok, now i can access xfce
[20:26] <digitsm> Before reinstalling, I tested Syslinux, and for that purpose I had to dd 440bytes into mbr
[20:26] <TJ-> freeman__: right, now I can make sense of the log entries.
[20:26] <freeman__> haha
[20:26] <freeman__> yeah i thought user was a goot user name
[20:26] <freeman__> and my pc name is pc
[20:26] <Zteam> wileee, yeah I know I\m asking there too :)
[20:27] <TJ-> digitsm: the "install-grub" should replace that by calling grub-bios-setup
[20:27] <wileee> Zteam, That is the basic use of kali as a testing tool, we see everyone installing here.
[20:28] <TJ-> digitsm: but we know that code is working, and it is bootstrapping into core.img too. The problem is core.img cannot find the GRUB modules in /boot/grub/i386-pc/ since apparently those directories are midding
[20:28] <TJ-> freeman__: right, so the ecryptfs is the thing to focus on
[20:28] <freeman__> ok so thats why the printer doesnt work
[20:29] <freeman__> how do i fix it
[20:29] <freeman__> i dont know why my pc being encrypted affects my printer
[20:29] <TJ-> freeman__: so you have Full Disk Encryption: /dev/mapper/sdb5 > /dev/mapper/sdb5crypt  and /home/user/ using ecryptfs
[20:29] <digitsm> TJ-, Anyway, even If I can fix grub, I plan to replace it with Extlinux bootloader, because I need my bootloader entries be recognized with plopkexec
[20:29] <freeman__> well i know for sure at least i have full disk encrpytion
[20:29] <digitsm> I am doing all these stuff to boot from a PCIe USB3 card
[20:29] <freeman__> i just know if theres a option i usually click encrpyt home folder
[20:29] <freeman__> i just dont remember if that was a option last time i installed
[20:29] <freeman__> if it is i probably clicked it
[20:29] <digitsm> TJ- So I think it is not bad idea to install Extlinux in chroot
[20:30] <TJ-> digitsm: Oh, in that case, replace GRUB with extlinux and try to get it to behave instead :)
[20:30] <freeman__> i cant rememer if it lets u chose one of the other or both but i woud of clicked both if i could
[20:30] <TJ-> freeman__: so the issue looks to be that the CUPS daemon process is not allowed to access files under /home/user/ which is apparently stopping it printing
[20:30] <freeman__> ahh
[20:31] <freeman__> so should i move my documents outside of my home folder
[20:31] <freeman__> for example another hard disk
[20:31] <freeman__> and then try it
[20:31] <digitsm> TJ-, OK, Thank you for you help and companion. If all things get broken, then I will reinstall xubuntu with a separate /boot partition
[20:31] <freeman__> still not printing
[20:31] <TJ-> freeman__: there are some other, more interesting, errors in the syslog I think we'll sort first though  "hp[7677]: io/hpmud/jd.c 197: invalid uri model HP_ENVY_4500_series != ENVY_4500_series"
[20:32] <freeman__> man i dont understand any of the stuff lol
[20:32] <TJ-> freeman__: give me 5 minutes to check on systems here
[20:32] <freeman__> ok
[20:32] <freeman__> thanks so much for helping me thus far il be here
[20:32] <Zteam> wileee, not sure how you mean, but I guess the easiest way out of this problem is to just reformat my kali pendrive to a Ubuntu pendrive temporarly :)
[20:33] <halberd> does anybody know what a process named "http" that uses bandwidth and writes to disk is?
[20:34] <wileee> Zteam, Sure in understanding, not sure your end goal, you might address what the issue is for help.
[20:34] <wileee> underlying issue
[20:35] <wileee> Zteam, I use the multisystem usb loader, you can have as many iso's that fit on it to boot.
[20:36] <Ben64> halberd: paste the line from ps aux
[20:36] <Zteam> wileee, well the reason for choosing Kali Linux as my pendrive was that Intend to experiment a little with Kali linux later on :)
[20:36] <halberd> I can't, I killed it already
[20:37] <Ben64> halberd: then can't help you
[20:37] <TJ-> freeman__: can you check if this package is installed: "apt-cache policy libsane-hpaio"
[20:38] <freeman__> ok
[20:38] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718412/
[20:38] <wileee> Zteam, Sure, it should be usable, if your usb is big enough you can load multiple OS iso's and than switch around as you learn would be my guess.
[20:38] <freeman__> looks like it is
[20:39] <TJ-> freeman__: good. Now "pastebinit /usr/share/hplip/data/models/models.dat"
[20:39] <freeman__> ok
[20:39] <freeman__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718415/
[20:40] <TJ-> freeman__: so that file does have [envy_4500_series]
[20:40] <freeman__> i dont know lol
[20:40] <freeman__> u have any more ideas man
[20:41] <freeman__> i usually do gui stuff all this is like foreign language for me
[20:41] <wileee> Zteam, Heh you on kali live now, suprised no one gave you the root announcement by der bot.
[20:42] <TJ-> freeman__: Oooo. Goto Modify Printer again change the URI to "hp:/net/ENVY_4500_series?ip=10.0.0.10" (drop the 'HP_' )
[20:42] <freeman__> ok
[20:43] <freeman__> TJ
[20:43] <freeman__> ITS WORKING
[20:43] <Zteam> wileee, thanks that sounds useful :-)
[20:43] <freeman__> IT WORKINGGGGGGGGGG
[20:43] <TJ-> freeman__: at last! what a silly mistake to make :)
[20:43] <freeman__> ITS WORKING MAN
[20:43] <worstadmin> I'm removing old kernels using apt-get -y remove and noticing that after upgate-grub there's still a bunch listed in my grub's menu.lst - why is this?
[20:43] <worstadmin> *update-grub
[20:44] <Ben64> worstadmin: because you should use sudo apt-get autoremove
[20:44] <worstadmin> Yep that did it
[20:44] <TJ-> worstadmin: The system is using GRUB v1 (grub.lst)  then, not GRUB v2 (grub.cfg) ?
[20:44] <worstadmin> Just tried it
[20:44] <worstadmin> thaks
[20:44] <wileee> Zteam, No problem, pen testing is a good money maker I suspect if you get good at it and could be independent.
[20:44] <worstadmin> TJ-: 2
[20:44] <worstadmin> but apparently update-grub works
[20:45] <freeman__> thanks
[20:45] <TJ-> worstadmin: there's backward compatibilty for grub.lst, but it's better to complete the migration so it is pure GRUB v2
[20:45] <Pici> freeman__: please ease up on the enter key.
[20:45] <worstadmin> for sure
[20:45] <Zteam> wileee, yeah, its kinda ironic in that way, a security oriented distro that breaks the most basical security principle ever dont ever run your system as root
[20:45] <freeman__> TJ thank u so much man
[20:46] <freeman__> so was that the issue the entire time
[20:46] <TJ-> freeman__: You still need to keep in mind those ecryptfs errors in syslog.
[20:46] <Zteam> wileee, well I'm just doing it for a hobbie for now
[20:46] <freeman__> i just printed a document from my desktop so i think its all good now
[20:46] <ExploitMan> there is here a dedicated programming server?
[20:47] <freeman__> i really needed to print these documents today for business reasons so man i really appreciate it
[20:47] <TJ-> freeman__: Yes, the auto-discovery found the printer via multicast-DNS *but* used the DNS URI to address the printer, rather than correcting it to use the HP-LIP URI scheme
[20:47] <freeman__> wow confusing LOL
[20:47] <wileee> Zteam, I help here if I can, same as a hobby here, got kinda obsessed with it, still there with lurking for info. ;)
[20:47] <TJ-> freeman__: different printer manufacturers provide different ways to access their devices - it becomes a minefiled
[20:47] <freeman__> well man ur on another level of knowledge but i am really happy now so thanks again
[20:48] <freeman__> do u work for ubuntu or something
[20:48] <OerHeks> freeman__, we are all volunteers
[20:48] <freeman__> thats cool man
[20:48] <OerHeks> have fun ;-)
[20:49] <freeman__> i took a lot of notes so i shouldnt have to go thru all this again if it happens again
[20:50] <TJ-> freeman__: being able to avoid a GUI and get to the text of logs and config files makes solving these issues many times easier than guessing
[20:50] <freeman__> yeah i see, just dont yet understand all the computer language
[20:51] <lotuspsychje> ExploitMan: you mean a programming channel?
[20:51] <dv_> I noticed that the wily repos still have gstreamer 1.5.91 , which is a development (= non-stable) release.
[20:51] <dv_> will it be upgraded to 1.6 ?
[20:52] <lotuspsychje> dv_: #ubuntu+1 for wily
[20:52] <dv_> ok
[20:52] <freeman__> ok im going to work on my paperwork now that the printer works, TJ i wish u the best of luck man
[20:53] <TJ-> dv_: Wily has 1.6.0 in -proposed
[20:53] <dv_> ok
[20:53] <Zteam> wileee, yeah I agree this is a very nice support channel :-)
[20:54] <TJ-> Zteam: did you solve your cryptsetup issue?
[20:57] <digitsm> TJ-, Even after installing Extlinux I got "Boot error"!!!! Something is wrong at all!
[20:57] <digitsm> Anyway I will reinstall xubuntu this time with separate boot partition
[20:58] <ExploitMan> someone can suggest me a good C programming Net?
[20:59] <reisio> ExploitMan: channel? ##C or #friendly-coders
[20:59] <Zteam> TJ, unfournetly not, im planning to work around it, by just making a Ubuntu usb stick instead, I guess kali and Ubuntu juses different versions of cryptsetup or something
[20:59] <ExploitMan> thanks
[21:00] <lotuspsychje> ExploitMan: ##programming is usefull too
[21:04] <flotex7> :D
[21:06] <ChibaPet> Hey all. Based on a chart (http://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life) it seems that 14.04 is still in the zone where it'd get hardware updates. I'm wondering specifically if Canonical has by chance backported support for BayTrail/ValleyView hardware. It appeared in mainline 3.18 and is stable/usable/not-buggy in 4.x.
[21:07] <k1l_> !enablementstack | ChibaPet
[21:07] <rauldipeas> Hey, anyone can help me to create an UEFI Only stick?
[21:07] <k1l_> ChibaPet: you can get the vivid kernel in LTS, which is 3.19
[21:07] <ChibaPet> k1l_: Ah, nifty. I'll read about that. Thank you.
[21:07] <TJ-> digitsm: I think its the system BIOS. I have a diagnostic MBR I wrote for syslinux project you could test with
[21:07] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: what are you trying to do?
[21:07] <ChibaPet> 3.19 might be new enough - there were bugs with backlight support that went away sometime after 3.18.
[21:07] <TJ-> Zteam: I'd think the most likely cause is simply that the correct kernel crypto modules aren't loaded
[21:08] <rauldipeas> I'm trying to install Ubuntu on UEFI mode with a USB.
[21:08] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: dualboot or singleboot ubuntu?
[21:08] <rauldipeas> Singleboot.
[21:08] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: disabled fastboot and secureboot and your good to go
[21:08] <k1l_> ChibaPet: the next point release (14.04.4 iirc) will get the 15.10 kernel, which is 4.2. although you can use the mainline kernels form the mainline repo (but dont have any support on there, or updates)
[21:09] <k1l_> !mainline | ChibaPet
[21:09] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: then F12 and load up your ubuntu usb
[21:09] <rauldipeas> I'm try this, but no success... :/
[21:09] <ChibaPet> k1l_: Is there an expectation of when that might happen released anywhere publically? If it's soonish, I may well just wait for that.
[21:10] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: doublecheck your bios line per line
[21:10] <rauldipeas> I'm try to write image with lot of programs, such unetbootin, dd, gnome-disks, etc...
[21:10] <digitsm> TJ- My bios is this one: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/G41C-S/?cat=Download&os=BIOS
[21:10] <digitsm> Version 1.1
[21:10] <EriC^^> rauldipeas: is uefi enabled?
[21:10] <TJ-> digitsm: do you want to test with my diag-mbr/
[21:10] <rauldipeas> I'll check again, but I try to do this many times.
[21:11] <EriC^^> rauldipeas: try esc when the pc boots, then boot options > uefi usb
[21:11] <rauldipeas> UEFI is enable, if I use UEFI Only, the flash drive does not appear.
[21:11] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: some systems has also an intel security block deep in bios to prevent installing another Os
[21:11] <digitsm> TJ- You are a really expert person. Writing a diag-mbr is very hard in my point of view
[21:11] <rauldipeas> USB is show only on legacy boot mode.
[21:11] <TJ-> digitsm: Here's the source-code and the built binary: https://iam.tj/projects/misc/mbr-diag.S https://iam.tj/projects/misc/mbr-diag.bin
[21:11] <digitsm> TJ-, Thanks, I will test it if you refer me to a link
[21:12] <TJ-> digitsm: Basically you save the current sector 0 and write mbr-diag.bin to the first 435 bytes and boot with it
[21:12] <TJ-> digitsm: What it does is write a report of what the BIOS tells it is the boot device
[21:13] <digitsm> TJ-, Your site is iam.tj very innovating name
[21:13] <rauldipeas> I do all You're telling me, but usb stick just show on Legacy.
[21:13] <TJ-> digitsm: normall, the 'first' fixed disk should be 0x80, the 'second' 0x81 and so on. When using a manual boot device selection many BIOS pass the wrong number to the bootstrap code. This daig-mbr reports what the BIOS tells it
[21:13] <lotuspsychje> !usb | rauldipeas also make sure your stick works
[21:14] <lotuspsychje> rauldipeas: then install on legacy?
[21:14] <rauldipeas> Yes, on Legacy it's all right.
[21:14] <TJ-> digitsm: You should do TWO teset boots with this, the first without pressing any keys, and the 2nd with the Ctrl key held down. Report the output from both boot attempts.
[21:14] <digitsm> TJ-, The first fixed disk or the first fixed sector is 0x80?
[21:14] <ChibaPet> k1l_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases makes me think "roughly every six months" which might mean next February, but I'll keep an eye on this. Thank you again.
[21:15] <TJ-> digitsm: BIOS allocates 'drive numbers' and floppy disks start at 0x00, fixed (hard) disks at 0x80
[21:15] <TJ-> digitsm: if you have the issue I suspect, BIOS is telling the bootstrap code the wrong drive number
[21:15] <digitsm> TJ-, What do you mean by "fixed" hard disks?
[21:16] <TJ-> digitsm: anything booted using sector 0 bootstrap with a partition table.
[21:16] <TJ-> digitsm: as opposed to a floppy, or ISO9660/El Torito, device
[21:18] <umpfag> help,  li ion battery issue, is it stupid to charge it with my laptop on?
[21:18] <ali2015> what is the best cmc
[21:18] <umpfag> i mean using xubuntu and charging it
[21:18] <umpfag> am I destroyin g its lifespan?
[21:18] <wileee> rauldipeas, We see users here whom have a msdos partitioning but with uefi remnants in the partition table, this make any sense?
[21:19] <digitsm> TJ-, I am willing to test your diag-mbr, but do you think it can really help? Assume we understood that it's BIOS's fault, we can't fix it anyway
[21:19] <reisio> umpfag: it's stupid to charge it when it's already charged
[21:19] <umpfag> reisio, does that destry its lifespan?
[21:19] <TJ-> digitsm: yes, we probably can. Back in 2009 I provided patches to syslinux project which now has alternative MBR images that allow you to work around the BIOS bug
[21:19] <reisio> umpfag: yup
[21:19] <reisio> the battery's
[21:20] <umpfag> reisio, is it safe to charge it while running any os? laptop on
[21:20] <reisio> umpfag: yeah
[21:20] <umpfag> so, charge it, when full and plugged in, take it away
[21:20] <reisio> realistically, you'll want a new computer before your battery dies, regardless of how you charge it
[21:20] <wileee> umpfag, just be aware of what a power loss will be with no battery on board.
[21:20] <reisio> charge it when it's almost empty, to full, then let it deplete to almost empty, repeat
[21:21] <umpfag> wileee, dont get that, dont understand it
[21:21] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm. OK, so first let me reinstall xubuntu with a separate /boot partition. Then I will test your mbr
[21:21] <umpfag> reisio, is that good for li ion batteries?
[21:21] <reisio> basically all batteries, I believe
[21:21] <wileee> umpfag, any computer stopped abruptly can be a brick
[21:21] <digitsm> TJ-, But how could I backup my current mbr?
[21:21] <TJ-> umpfag: Lithium-Ion chemistry batteries have a condition built in, which monitors battery state. It communicates with a charge-controller in the power supply which ensures the battery is charged optimally, including turning off the charge operation when required.
[21:22] <reisio> well your power manager should safely hibernate or shutdown the system well before it runs entirely out of power
[21:22] <digitsm> dd if=/dev/sdc of=/path/tosomewhere bs=what? count=1
[21:22] <TJ-> digitsm: read the header of the mbr-diag.S the comments there give an example
[21:22] <digitsm> TJ-, ^
[21:22] <reisio> when required by what?
[21:22] <TJ-> digitsm: See the "Usage:" part for an example of backup/restore of MBR
[21:23] <TJ-> reisio: required by the battery parameters. The charge controller maintains a charging profile so it knows when to adjust the voltage/current into the battery based on the condition monitoring
[21:24] <digitsm> TJ-, It is much like writing mbr of syslinux. It even has the exact 440bytes
[21:24]  * reisio is skeptical
[21:25] <digitsm> That magical number = first 440 bytes!!
[21:25] <TJ-> digitsm: that is the limit of available bytes in sector 0 for the bootstrap code
[21:25] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm. thanks for that info
[21:25] <umpfag> i need a link to take care of my battery
[21:25] <TJ-> digitsm: that bootstrap code is responsible for loading the rest of the boot loader - in GRUB's case core.img
[21:26] <EriC^^> where's core.img found?
[21:26] <reisio> in /boot/grub somewheres, IIRC
[21:26] <digitsm> TJ-, Now that you are an expert, what solutions could be available there to boot from an ext USB3 hdd using a PCIe USB3 card?
[21:26] <lotuspsychje> umpfag: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/ReducedPower
[21:27] <reisio> umpfag: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2009/10/how_to_charge_your_laptop.html
[21:27] <digitsm> TJ-, As you may know bios can't boot from a PCIe USB3, it can only boot from onboard USB ports
[21:27] <lotuspsychje> !info laptop-mode-tools | umpfag
[21:27] <reisio> umpfag: but you'll probably want a new laptop before your battery dies anyway
[21:27] <digitsm> Except  that PCIe card has an optional bios/rom itself
[21:28] <TJ-> digitsm: You'd need a UEFI mobo with a UEFI driver for the USB controller
[21:28] <digitsm> TJ-, I like to boot from my ext USB3 HDD with usb3 speed, so I can boot into xubuntu very fast and I can use my external hdd instead of my heavy laptop
[21:29] <umpfag> ok
[21:29] <umpfag> this piece of crap has a limited life of 3 years...
[21:29] <TJ-> digitsm: or, is the controller has an Option ROM then the system BIOS should link that in as a possible boot device
[21:29] <reisio> umpfag: you'll want a new computer before than anyway
[21:29] <reisio> and they'll be a third of the cost
[21:29] <reisio> not worth worrying about
[21:29] <reisio> before then*
[21:30] <umpfag> my current craptop is 5 years old and im happy with it
[21:30] <reisio> happiness doesn't factor in :p
[21:31] <umpfag> lolwut?? batteries cannot be removed from apple laptops???
[21:31] <umpfag> some models of*
[21:31] <umpfag> idiots
[21:31] <reisio> most, I'd say
[21:31] <reisio> well, Apple people like spending money
[21:31] <TJ-> umpfag: there are 2 major causes of premature Li-Ion degrading: storing with the wrong level of charge (typically 80% is recommended), and lots of recharge cycles
[21:31] <reisio> so it's a feature, really
[21:31] <lotuspsychje> !language | umpfag
[21:31] <digitsm> TJ-, Both cases are impossible for me, my mb has an intel G41 chip, doesn't have UEFI, doesn't support loading optional roms and my PCIe USB3 card has NEC chip which I guess doesn't have optional rom either
[21:32] <reisio> you can't use a battery and not spend its lifespan
[21:32] <reisio> don't worry about it so much
[21:32] <umpfag> TJ-, so, charging up to 80%?
[21:32] <digitsm> TJ-, But there are some projects like plop, plopkexec, etc which claim that can boot from USB3 (even from USB3 cards)
[21:32] <lotuspsychje> digitsm: i use plop alot on old systems
[21:32] <reisio> umpfag: read the link I gave you :p
[21:33] <lotuspsychje> digitsm: works like a charm for non-usb booting bios
[21:33] <digitsm> TJ-, These tools first load USB3 drivers, and then try to detect storages attached to them
[21:34] <TJ-> digitsm: What plop etc do is boot from a different device into a minimal Linux env that has the Linux USB drivers, then kexec/bootstrap the other device
[21:35] <TJ-> digitsm: Usually GRUB can do the job just as well, it has USB drivers too
[21:35] <digitsm> lotuspsychje, Yeah, plop is very good. I tested it. But plop bootloader doesn't support USB3 yet (it will in version 6) and plopkexec only loads a kernel in a ext4 partition with a Syslinux bootloader not grub
[21:35] <digitsm> TJ-, I think grub doesn't has XHCI driver
[21:36] <digitsm> TJ-, And I think it can't detect devices other than those reported from bios
[21:36] <digitsm> I am not sure
[21:36] <TJ-> digitsm: correct, not yet
[21:36] <digitsm> TJ-, Not support yet for XHCI? or Not support for devices other than those recognizable by bios?
[21:37] <TJ-> digitsm: grub has modules that can work with pretty much any device. They may need building into the core.img to make them available to the rescue env, so grub can find its root on the devices
[21:37] <TJ-> digitsm: not yet got XHCI support
[21:37] <Twirl> hi, why do i have to disable/enable networking every time i turn on my computer or wake it up to connect to my wifi network?
[21:37] <TJ-> digitsm: 'grub-install' actually compiles/links the modules into the single executable we call core.img
[21:38] <TJ-> Twirl: possibly the rfkill status needs a kick, maybe it gets confused.
[21:38] <csmule> Whats the right way to change hostname? sudo hostname and then append to /etc/hosts localhost?
[21:38] <EriC^^> !hostname
[21:39] <digitsm> TJ-, Yeah, but my problem (only detecting core.img not any more) is not related to USB3 detection by grub, because I had connected my ext HDD to a USB2 port before
[21:39] <Twirl> TJ-: i dont know what ur takling about, what does that mean, what do i have to do?
[21:39] <TJ-> digitsm: Yes, I know. I was talking about that as something unrelated to your system issue
[21:40] <TJ-> Twirl: the laptop has to have a way to disable the radios (think 'airplane mode'). The tools are called RFkill (Radio Frequency kill)
[21:40] <digitsm> TJ-, Anyway thank you much for these info. So I can expect booting from PCIe USB3 by using either plop 6 or future versions of grub
[21:40] <csmule> ubottu: thanks much
[21:41] <TJ-> Twirl: the laptop's firmware is usually responsible for setting the initial mode of that. Some/many firmware seem to have problems in getting that correct when the OS is Linux. That often is caused because the firmware doesn't provde Linux the same functionality that it gives to Windows
[21:41] <TJ-> digitsm: Some months away I'd think. Did you test mbr-diag? If you give me the results it writes I can tell you if the BIOS drive-number bug is causing the issue
[21:42] <digitsm> TJ-, Also I am still not sure about grub being able to do so in the future, because I think it would need drivers for PCIe, XHCI and many other things. Seems unlikely
[21:42] <digitsm> TJ-, I have not tested it yet.
[21:43] <Twirl> TJ-: man its very retarded that i have to turn off and on networking to start working every time i turn on or wake up my machine
[21:43] <TJ-> digitsm: GRUB has no problem with PCIe
[21:43] <TJ-> Twirl: what make/model of laptop is it?
[21:44] <Twirl> TJ-: toshiba satellite
[21:45] <digitsm> TJ-, It may take some  time before I can test your diag-mbr. If you want to go please send me your email, so I can email the results for you later
[21:45] <TJ-> Twirl:  what does "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep 'Windows'  " report ?
[21:46] <TJ-> digitsm: that's fine, drop by here if the issue continues and you've done the tests. The source-code explains the output. Key value is what drive-number is shown next to the 'D' with and without Ctrl key held down at boot time. If that value changes, you've got the BIOS bug.
[21:46] <Twirl> TJ-: 2001, 2001 SP1, 2001 SP2, 2001.1, 2006, 2009
[21:47] <Twirl> TJ-: it probably has nothing to do with that, its just retarded man
[21:47] <Twirl> TJ-: if the drivers where bad then why do they work after i turn networking on and off?
[21:47] <Twirl> TJ-: its just fucking retarded and i hate retarded things
[21:47] <Twirl> TJ-: also annoying
[21:48] <TJ-> Twirl: OK, one potential workaround/fix is to boot with "acpi_osi=XXXXX" where XXXXX is one of those strings. I'd pick what seems to be the latest, so if you have "Windows 2009" add: "  "acpi_osi=Windows 2009"   " to the kernel command line via the GRUB boot menu, to test it
[21:49] <Twirl> TJ-: no i wont do that, that is simply retarded
[21:49] <TechEffigy> hi
[21:49] <Twirl> i wont add any commands to my kernel to avoid having to turn my networking off and on to have internet
[21:49] <TJ-> Twirl: it sounds like the state of the device isn't being detected/toggle after initial power-on. That info comes from the system firmware via ACPI. If the functions being called to get the state return the wrong values, the OS becomes confused.
[21:49] <reisio> TechEffigy: ohai
[21:49] <TJ-> Twirl: fine. Complain to Toshiba then, ask them to fix the firmware.
[21:50] <Twirl> TJ-: u dont even know if its that it used to work fine
[21:50] <Twirl> TJ-: also, it's retarded
[21:50] <JunkHunk> Hello is there an irc channel for kodibuntu?
[21:50] <TJ-> Twirl: You don't know it isn't. When problems come up, we test the known most-likely causes first
[21:50] <Twirl> TJ-: all i have to do is turn off and on the networking to make it work, that should be automated
[21:50] <reisio> JunkHunk: /msg alis list *kodi*
[21:51] <Twirl> i refuse adding flags to my kernel for something so retarded
[21:51] <TJ-> Twirl: you seem to be more interested in shouting about it rather than determining why, and how to fix. This is a support channel; use another if you want to bitch about it
[21:51] <Twirl> TJ-: yes i am angry why cant u just accept that it is freaking retarded?
[21:52] <JunkHunk> I know nothing about kodibuntu
[21:52] <Twirl> TJ-: anyways there has to be a simple fix for this retarded problem
[21:52] <Twirl> TJ-: i refuse adding flags to my kernel or consider it a driver issue
[21:53] <JunkHunk> Reisio
[21:53] <Twirl> TJ-: also i cant waste any time with this stupid crap, its going to be added to the things that waste time in my life and i have to deal with it because trying to fix it will consume a lot of time
[21:53] <JunkHunk> I did not understand your post
[21:53] <TJ-> !ot | Twirl
[21:53] <wileee> JunkHunk, 4 channel run their command
[21:53] <wileee> channel's*
[21:53] <reisio> JunkHunk: what do you want to know about it?
[21:53] <reisio> JunkHunk: you can install Kodi on any distro
[21:54] <TechEffigy> ive got this idea, donno if it is possible
[21:54] <JunkHunk> Whether it will run ue4 for instance
[21:54] <reisio> it is
[21:54] <Twirl> TJ-: no it's not off topic u kidding man
[21:54] <JunkHunk> Is it possible to use kodi as the host os?
[21:54] <Twirl> TJ-: u know how much time it takes to turn on and off this computer to test ur theory ? around 15 minutes
[21:55] <Twirl> TJ-: 5 minutes to turn off and 10 minutes to turn back on
[21:55] <Twirl> TJ-: all of that just to see if it works and i would have to add flags to the kernel i don't want
[21:55] <HackerII> waaaah
[21:55] <TechEffigy> i want to run ubuntu server, with containers that run python code, each container must have its own IP that i can connect to from the wifi card, the server wont be connected to the inet
[21:55] <reisio> JunkHunk: no, but it's possible to run kodi on its own on an OS
[21:56] <reisio> TechEffigy: yeah you can do that
[21:56] <JunkHunk> Then what kodibuntu is reisio
[21:56] <reisio> but if you want help doing it, you'll probably have to explain what it's all for
[21:56] <reisio> JunkHunk: I'm guessing it's a version of Ubuntu with Kodi preinstalled
[21:56] <TechEffigy> what do i need for each container to have its own ip?
[21:56] <TechEffigy> NAT?
[21:56] <tr3-v0r> hi
[21:56] <HackerII> JunkHunk,  you can install kodi on ubuntu, there are ppa for it
[21:56] <HackerII> works great
[21:56] <k1l_> JunkHunk: its ubuntu preinstalled with kodi. best is to ask the kodi guys on that one
[21:56] <TechEffigy> i want it to be container1.techeffigy.zoo
[21:57] <TJ-> TechEffigy: you can route or bridge the container network
[21:57] <reisio> TechEffigy: pick lxc or openvz and then ask the channel on that containment system about it
[21:57] <TechEffigy> not on the net
[21:57] <TechEffigy> k cool
[21:58] <tr3-v0r> hi guys. Can anyone tell me which is the best linux course training I can start?
[21:58] <tr3-v0r> I mean certified
[21:58] <reisio> probably whatever red hat shills
[21:58] <JunkHunk> I run kubuntu, and I was looking for something more dynamic... Activities on kde desktop are too laggy and I thought perhaps kodi could do the tric
[21:58] <JunkHunk> Trick
[21:58] <k1l_> tr3-v0r: that topic better suits into #ubuntu-offtopic or ##linux
[21:59] <reisio> JunkHunk: well, kodi does a specific trick
[21:59] <reisio> either you want that trick or not
[21:59] <TJ-> tr3-v0r: Linux Foundation operates some courses along those lines
[21:59] <JunkHunk> Is there an easy way to switch from kubuntu to kodibuntu?
[22:00] <reisio> JunkHunk: yes, but
[22:00] <reisio> JunkHunk: there's not much point
[22:00] <reisio> it's all the same software
[22:00] <ascot_> hello there, anyone know how to make clicking the upper right corner close a maximized window in Mate? At the moment I need to move the mouse a few pixels down.
[22:00] <JunkHunk> Okay thanks
[22:12] <AEL-H> Sorry to repeat, I asked before but then my connection dropped. First off I want to say I am quite an inexperienced user. My SD card mounts to /media/removable/SD\ Card -- They key problem here being the space in the name. I have downloaded a program but for whatever reason their installer does not allow for spaces to be in the directory name-- Is there any easy way I can just make it mount to /media/removable/SDCard ? I had a look in /etc/fstab but it says "#
[22:12] <digitsm> TJ-, I reinstalled ubuntu this time with a separate /boot partition and the problem got fixed
[22:12] <digitsm> Weird!
[22:12] <reisio> AEL-H: eject it from file manager, then change the FS label
[22:13] <reisio> or use programs that aren't really badly made
[22:13] <reisio> probably the best course
[22:13] <TJ-> digitsm: You know, I wonder if the issue was some weirdness in the ext4 file-system you originally installed into, that made the GRUB ext2 driver not see some areas. How large was the root file-system?
[22:14] <digitsm> TJ-, It may be
[22:14] <digitsm> TJ-, My external HDD is 2TB which is recognized by Gparted or Linux installer very slowly. And the root partition was ~200GB
[22:15] <TJ-> digitsm: there are some outstanding bugs related to ext4, but mostly they are in the OS probing side (installation tooling) not the actual boot code
[22:15] <reisio> usb tends to be slower
[22:15] <TJ-> digitsm: I wouldn't have thought 200GB was a problem for ext3.
[22:16] <TJ-> digitsm: s/ext3/ext2/
[22:17] <digitsm> TJ-, So you suggest me to reinstall on a single ext3/2 partition again
[22:17] <TJ-> digitsm: Oooo! "Disks with 4KiB sectors aren't BIOS-bootable (not fixable unless BIOSes supporting such disks are discovered)" https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=37631
[22:17] <TJ-> digitsm: does that external drive use 4KiB sectors?
[22:17] <Shiek> hello any german here to help me with ubuntu :)
[22:17] <digitsm> TJ-, Because I had tested 2 partition setup (ext2 /boot and ext4 /) before and plopkexec could recognize all Extlinux menu entries except the linux entry!
[22:17] <reisio> most do nowadays, I think
[22:18] <reisio> to avoid having to use GPT
[22:18] <reisio> because...
[22:18] <reisio> :p
[22:20] <wileee> Shiek, hard to say, you seem to to be english efficient, they're is probably a german ubuntu irc channel
[22:21] <moloney> If I want to enable a service at boot in 14.04, and the init script has LSB headers, is the correct way to call 'insserv'?
[22:23] <digitsm> TJ-, No, the "sudo fdisk -l" shows the sectors size at 512bytes
[22:23] <digitsm> not 4096bytes
[22:24] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, not that one then!
[22:24] <digitsm> TJ-, YEah
[22:24] <Shiek> how i can install nvidia driver on 14.04
[22:24] <TJ-> digitsm: there's another bug whereby grub mis-identifies ext4 as minix2 file-system. That won't explain that you could read the file-system but 1 directory /boot/ seemed to be empty
[22:25] <TJ-> digitsm: remind me - which Ubuntu release is it causing the issue?
[22:25] <digitsm> TJ-, I am currently using Xubuntu 14.04.1 32bit
[22:25] <TJ-> digitsm: whatever the underlying issue it affects extlinux too, so I'm preferring a BIOS bug
[22:26] <digitsm> TJ-, Yeah, it even affects extlinux
[22:26] <digitsm> It was very weird, but there are many weird unlogical behaviors in computing world
[22:28] <TJ-> digitsm: the external disk connected over USB2, or eSATA ?
[22:28] <digitsm> TJ-, USB2
[22:28] <digitsm> It is USB3 capable but I can't boot from USB3 PCIe card yet
[22:28] <TJ-> digitsm: OK, so there is a USB<>SATA translator in the mix too
[22:29] <digitsm> TJ-, Yeah
[22:29] <TJ-> digitsm: I've witnessed *many* problems with those devices, especially with larger drives.
[22:29] <TJ-> digitsm: is the external enclosure a named brand/model I can look-up ?
[22:29] <digitsm> TJ-, But I don't think it's the root
[22:29] <TJ-> digitsm: I would bet if you connected the drive directly to one of the Mobo SATA ports the problem would go away
[22:30] <digitsm> Yeah, it was a standard Seagate External HDD
[22:31] <digitsm> The model is "Seagate Expansion Portable Drive" 2TB with SATA to USB3 adapter
[22:31] <digitsm> I doubt Seagate use cheap buggy controllers in its own ext drives
[22:31] <digitsm> anyway
[22:32] <TJ-> digitsm: any number of incompatibilites can show up, especially when the system expects USB2 but is talking to a USB3 controller in compatibility mode
[22:33] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm, yeah. The USB3 controller in compatibility mode could be buggy
[22:33] <moloney> No one can comment on using "insserv" versus "update-rc.d"?
[22:33] <digitsm> I am not sure
[22:34] <TJ-> digitsm: I think you have a BIOS bug in there. It should be possible to work-around it with GRUB at least, but uncluding the usb,usbms,nativedisk,ahci and related modules in core.img
[22:35] <TJ-> moloney: update-rc.d
[22:35] <TJ-> s/but uncluding/by including/
[22:36] <moloney> TJ-: It seems like update-rc.d ignores my LSB header though, while calling insserv directly works correctly
[22:36] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm. Dunno. I am getting tired. It's 2AM now and I have to go to bed. I will test with a single ext2/ext3 root partition (without /boot partition) tomorrow.
[22:37] <digitsm> If it failed I will come back to my previous setting (/boot on ext2 and / on btrfs) and will give up using PCIe USB3 card at all. Maybe in the next months plop bootloader 6 or next grubs solve my issue
[22:37] <AEL-H> reisio : Sorry, how could I do this from terminal?
[22:37] <TJ-> moloney: what command are you using? what is the unexpected result?
[22:38] <digitsm> TJ-, Thank you for your help. I hope to speak with you tomorrow too
[22:38] <digitsm> :D
[22:38] <digitsm> bye now
[22:38] <TJ-> digitsm: it'd be easier to put an eSATA connector on the backplane and simply get a eSATA enclosure for the drive :)
[22:39] <digitsm> TJ-, As long as I know I can connect eSATA to normal SATA too. So it will give me the native speed
[22:40] <[n0mad]> AEL-H: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RenameUSBDrive
[22:40] <digitsm> The only problem is that many PCs I have at work or university doesn't have any eSATA port
[22:40] <[n0mad]> i'd just use gparted myself
[22:41] <digitsm> I didn't want to lose the compatibility factor
[22:41] <theios> ads
[22:41] <TJ-> digitsm: I use cables with eSATA on one end and internal SATA on the other, for working with drives for recovery. It works fine
[22:41] <digitsm> If there was an enclosure supporting both USB3 and eSATA it would be great, but there isn't any
[22:42] <TJ-> digitsm: Hmmm, then maybe a combined eSATA/USB enclosure. I have 2 here that are very useful for that kind of situation
[22:42] <wafflejock> yeah I have a "toaster" with USB and eSata not sure about USB3 though
[22:42] <wafflejock> think it was made before that was an option
[22:42] <TJ-> digitsm: http://www.addonics.com/products/zesu3cs.php
[22:43] <digitsm> wafflejock, :))
[22:44] <wafflejock> yeah mine is like this style http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G28N3542&cm_re=esata_USB3-_-17-198-054-_-Product think it was like $15 on sale at microcenter (not sure if they still exist)
[22:44] <TJ-> digitsm: if you want even more flexibility there are Firewire800/USB3/eSATA available too :)
[22:44] <[n0mad]> so much more fancy than my ide>usb
[22:45] <wafflejock> has an SD card reader and think CF or some other styles I've never encountered
[22:47] <TJ-> I use the eSATA enclosure with an ExpressCard/34 dual port SATA adaptor
[22:48] <digitsm> wafflejock, Where is the toasting capability of your enclosure?
[22:48] <wafflejock> digitsm: yeah not a literal "toaster" I said that without including the part where it's not a toaster, just holds the drives upright like slices of bread in a literal toaster
[22:49] <digitsm> TJ-, Hmmm, I may be able to find a 3.5" SATA -> USB3/eSATA enclosure, but it is very large and heavy. It can eliminate the portability feature of my current HDD
[22:49] <wafflejock> digitsm: and has a button that you press and it ejects the drive from the top like toast out of a toaster, but no toasting capabilities unless you run the drive really hard :)
[22:50] <wafflejock> digitsm: if you're looking for portability would go with a 2.5 inch one to start anyhow then the enclosure included and it's smaller than a 3.5 drive itself typically
[22:50] <Aphotica> Can anyone help me figure out how to send a file from my Ubuntu to someone else's?
[22:50] <digitsm> wafflejock, Have you tried a bread in its slot? It may work as toaster too :))
[22:50] <wafflejock> digitsm: true I suppose I haven't tried :)
[22:51] <wafflejock> Aphotica: you can use scp pretty easily if you setup openssh on both machines
[22:51] <TJ-> digitsm: that is a problem with some enclosures. Always the trade-off.
[22:51] <wafflejock> Aphotica: are they on the same network or across the internet?
[22:51] <Aphotica> Across the Internet.
[22:51] <Aphotica> wafflejock, across the internet
[22:52] <moloney> TJ-: doing 'update-rc.d myinitsript defaults' will print some warnings like "update-rc.d: warning: default start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match myinitscript Default-Start values (3)". Then I see it made a links to start my script at levels 2/3/4/5 instead of just 3 like the LSB header requests
[22:52] <wafflejock> Aphotica: okay so scp will work but would require that you "punch a hole" through the router on the side you're sending the data to so it allows port 22 to get to the computer you want to communicate with, is this a one time thing, also how big is the data?
[22:52] <Aphotica> Pretty big. I'd like to set up a folder he can just access and download stuff from.
[22:53] <miller536> hi
[22:53] <wafflejock> Aphotica: alright, you may want to check out rsync too then, rsync will use the ssh connection but can recover from failures but has some processor overhead to make that happen, would test it out with scp first to make sure just copying a file across is working fine
[22:53] <wafflejock> someone else chime in if there's an easier way otherwise can walk through what needs to happen here
[22:54] <moloney> TJ-: on the other hand, doing "/usr/lib/insserv/insserv /etc/init.d/myinitscript" will only make the link under /etc/rc3.d/ as I would expect
[22:56] <wafflejock> Aphotica: okay so what you need to have setup for this to work is the client computer (your friend who will access stuff on your computer, will call the server for now that has the files on it) will have to generate a private/public key pair https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys <-- that page explains using ssh-keygen which will create the private/public key pair for their computer
[22:56] <Aphotica> wafflejock, mkay
[22:57] <wafflejock> Aphotica: they then just need to run, cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub, to print out the public key, they'll send that to you and you add it to your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys text file (if it doesn't exist you make it)
[22:57] <wafflejock> Aphotica: this will allow them to use ssh or scp or rsync to connect to your server, when they use ssh-keygen it will ask for a password, if they use one that's used to seal their private key so it's used when they connect if they leave it blank anyone who gets a hold of the private key could get in without a password
[22:58] <TJ-> moloney: maybe you've found a bug. Can you pastebin the init script?
[22:59] <wafflejock> Aphotica: once you have that public key from the client in the authorized_keys on the server you can use scp http://www.hypexr.org/linux_scp_help.php for quick one off copies, or if you want to do something more regularly like just copy some folder from the server to the client every time a script is run you can write a small bash script that uses rsync inside to duplicate the folder... added benefit of rsync being if it fails it can 
[22:59] <[n0mad]> if you have ssh setup then your friend could also sftp
[22:59] <wafflejock> Aphotica: details on rsync here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/rsync
[23:00] <moloney> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12719200/
[23:02] <TJ-> moloney: this is 14.04 ?
[23:02] <Aphotica> Thanks
[23:02] <Aphotica> And yes
[23:03] <wafflejock> Aphotica: np let me know (or the room in general) if you run into any bumps along the way or have questions
[23:03] <Aphotica> mkays
[23:03] <moloney> TJ-: yes
[23:06] <[n0mad]> might want to setup a user for the friend too and make sure he has permissions to read whatever directory
[23:07] <TJ-> moloney: I'm trying to reproduce in a chroot here, but 'default's is adding 0-6 !
[23:07] <wafflejock> Aphotica: ah one thing I mentioned above too but didn't explain in the explanation part, you also need to have port 22 forwarded from your router to your computer on the server side (assuming that you have a router) typically this is pretty easy to do you just need to get your servers local LAN IP address like 192.168.0.100 and go into your router's configuration page and look for port forwarding then set the public port 22 to private
[23:08] <wafflejock> Aphotica: the client side guy running the scp or rsync commands on their computer will be using your WAN IP (the one your ISP assigned to your router) to connect and the router has to pass along that connection to the "server"
[23:09] <moloney> TJ-:  Yeah, seems like "defaults" means to override the LSB header.  But I can't find instructions on how to make it respect the header. The manpage for "insserv" describe it as a low level tool used by update-rc.d, and discourage people from using it directly.  I am confused :(
[23:10] <TJ-> moloney: OK, I've looked at the Perl script. "sub defaults" does NOT match the description in "man update-rc.d"
[23:11] <TJ-> moloney: more specifically, if you pass the options [START [STOP]] params it uses them, else it uses K{0,1,6} S{2,3,4,5}
[23:12] <TJ-> moloney: the only time parse_lsb_header() is called is with the 'remove' parameter
[23:13] <TJ-> moloney: ignore that! I inverted the meaning of an -ne clause... re-reading the code
[23:17] <Avery3R_> Is there a way to grant a user full permissions to all USB devices without endlessly fucking with udev permissions?
[23:17] <bazhang> no cursing here Avery3R_
[23:19] <kotten> Avery3R_if you add your user to plugdev group
[23:19] <kotten> so like...
[23:19] <kotten> usermod -a -G plugdev <username>
[23:19] <kotten> Does that work?
[23:20] <Avery3R_> yep, thanks
[23:20] <TJ-> moloney: I'm debugging the script. When it reads te LSB header it doesn't get the levels from it
[23:21] <moloney> TJ-: thanks for looking at it
[23:23] <TJ-> moloney: OK. Unless this happened when I copied from your pastebin, the script appears to have /n/r line endings ("hexdump -C /etc/init.d/haroute | less")
[23:25] <TJ-> moloney: Right. Fixed those (must have come via the pastebin). Now i get the errors you reported
[23:27] <TechEffigy> so back to the last two days problem
[23:27] <TechEffigy> my resolution is all wrong and xrandr doesnt even help
[23:28] <TechEffigy> and it looks like pixel stretching is happening on the bottom of the screen
[23:28] <TechEffigy> so i installed ubuntu server, no gui, and it still has the wrong resolution and pixels are still stretching
[23:28] <TJ-> moloney: ahh, man-page does say this behaviour: "If  defaults  is used then update-rc.d will make links to start the service in runlevels 2345 and to stop the service in runlevels 016"
[23:28] <TechEffigy> what does that mean?
[23:30] <moloney> TJ-: Right, it talks about "legacy mode" using the command line arguments and "default mode" using the LSB headers.  But using the "defaults" arg is not the same as asking for the "default mode".  But how do I get this "default mode" behavior?
[23:32] <TJ-> moloney: I think the man-page is behind the times, it is dated 2005
[23:34] <moloney> TJ-:  But surely there is a way to avoid "legacy mode"...
[23:34] <wafflejock> TechEffigy: can try adjusting your grub graphics potentially http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2211966 believe that's all that will be used until a DE is started using X at which point I think it starts trying to use whatever graphics card drivers, not entirely sure on when that hand off happens though or what the tty is using
[23:36] <TJ-> moloney: found the changelog entry that appears to indicate that functionality is gone
[23:36] <TJ-> moloney: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12719378/
[23:37] <moloney> TJ-:  AHA!  If you delete /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering then it will try to do it... and fail because "insserv" is not on the path... but it does try
[23:37] <TJ-> moloney: Ahhh, you have that set?
[23:38] <moloney> TJ-:  It was set at install I guess, unless something else set it
[23:38] <TJ-> moloney: Yes, possibly in the postinst script, or due to an upgrade from an earlier release
[23:39] <moloney> TJ-:  Seems like update-rc.d expects it to be set anyway, like I said it fails to find 'insserv' when it is deleted and thus update-rc.d breaks (unless I manually put insserv on the PATH)
[23:39] <TJ-> moloney: It's at "/usr/lib/insserv/insserv" ?
[23:40] <moloney> TJ-:  Right, but I have to manually put that on the PATH for update-rc.d to work after deleting /etc/init.d/.legacy-bootordering
[23:41] <moloney> TJ-:  And that changelog you referenced seems to indicate they expect people to call insserv themselves
[23:42] <moloney> TJ-:  Of course the insserv man pages says "It is not recommended to execute insserv directly unless you know  exactly  what  you're doing,  doing so may render your boot system inoperable"
[23:42] <hardyred> Hi If I am told a folder is in ~/.testFolder/ where would I look to find this in Ubuntu?
[23:43] <TechEffigy> grub didnt work
[23:43] <TechEffigy> starting to think its a bios problem
[23:43] <wileee> hardyred, home hidden  ctrl-h to show
[23:44] <TJ-> moloney: yeah, I think it is a result of bit-rot and different maintainers for different packages
[23:44] <hardyred> wileee: thank you
[23:44] <moloney> TJ-: Should I be using upstart to do this?  (at least until systemd replaces it)
[23:44] <wileee> no problem
[23:46] <TJ-> moloney: see http://paste.ubuntu.com/12719448/
[23:47] <TJ-> moloney: it'd probably be less pain :)
[23:48] <TJ-> moloney: Are you doing this for packaging, or just for a single system? If the latter, you can do it manually with "update-rc.d haroute start X . stop Y
[23:49] <moloney> TJ-:  Just setting up my own systems and was surprised by the behavior
[23:50] <TJ-> moloney: create a symlink "sudo ln is /usr/lib/insserv/insserv /usr/sbin/insserv" maybe?
[23:50] <TJ-> s/is/-s/
[23:51] <TJ-> TechEffigy: can you "dmesg | pastebinit"
[23:53] <moloney> TJ-:  Well it looks like insserv rewrote all my /etc/rc*.d/* links, and not for the better (although it did handle my one custom init scrip correctly). So I think I will just do it manually with update-rc.d or use upstart
[23:54] <TJ-> moloney: it did all?
[23:54] <TJ-> moloney: was that by calling it yourself, or via the update-rc.d call-out
[23:55] <moloney> TJ-: yeah, I have a couple of identical systems and the one I ran insserv on is now having booting/shutdown issues.  I compared the /etc/rc*.d/ directories and they are all changed
[23:55] <moloney> TJ-: not sure which call did it
[23:56] <TJ-> moloney: Well, that is what insserv is supposed to do. It is at the mercy of the LSB headers - only needs one incorrect and it can mess up the entire thing
[23:56] <mtyoncol> bazhang: is willing to start.
[23:57] <moloney> TJ-:  Yeah not a big deal, I can reconfigure the server easily enough. It was a learning experience ;)
[23:58] <TJ-> moloney: sure was. Thankfully systemd mostly manages to figure those things out correctly
[23:58] <moloney> TJ-:  Thanks for the help
[23:58] <mtyoncol> bazhang