[00:18] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I was looking over the Thunar docs in their new home and I noticed that where there are multiple screenshots in the same frame, they are stacked instead of side-by-side.
[00:19] <jjfrv8> I guess that's not a problem, if you're okay with it. However, in one case where there are three images, the title says "Left, Middle, Right", which might be confusing.
[00:22] <knome> could refer to "first", "second" and "third" image which would pretty much make sense with them stacked or floated side-by-side
[00:22] <jjfrv8> Also, in that last section of the FAQ page, the one that was reinstated, there is a reference to a non-existent screenshot.
[00:23] <knome> and hey jjfrv8 :)
[00:23] <jjfrv8> knome, yep, that would work. But I was also wondering if it would be better to shrink the images so they would fit the narrower page.
[00:24] <knome> if it affects their legibility (if appropriate), then i don't think so
[00:26] <jjfrv8> There is that consideration. One way to get around that is to make them thumbnails which would expand when clicked. But I could see where that might not be ideal.
[00:27] <knome> yeah, and i don't know if the target pages are ideal either
[00:27] <knome> i mean, if it's a wiki page for an image, that's always a bit... meh
[00:27] <knome> a link to the original image is a bit awkward too
[00:28] <knome> and a lightbox (open in a popup) -style functionality is a tad too much for a wiki imo too
[00:28] <knome> what i'm trying to say is i personally like images that are readable as is on documentation, unless there is a LOT of them
[00:28] <knome> (nope there isn't too much of them in the thunar docs)
[00:29] <jjfrv8> Yeah, I kind of figured it's best to leave them as is, but I think we do need to correct that one title over the triple screenie.
[00:30] <jjfrv8> I wonder if I could get rights to edit the upstream stuff to save ochosi some work?
[00:32] <knome> that sounds like a very sensible idea :)
[00:53] <bluesabre> evening all
[00:53] <bluesabre> knome, thanks!
[03:08] <bluesabre> launchpad is being a bit moody today
[09:54] <bluesabre> morning all
[10:23] <slickymasterWork> hey bluesabre 
[10:23] <bluesabre> hey slickymasterWork 
[10:24] <bluesabre> are we good for the final docs translation upload?
[10:24] <slickymasterWork> there's just one thing I want to check with the russian translation, but besides that, we're ok
[10:25] <bluesabre> cool
[10:35] <flocculant> morning bluesabre slickymasterWork 
[10:37] <bluesabre> morning flocculant 
[10:47] <slickymasterWork> morning flocculant 
[11:03] <flocculant> all gone quiet now - must be almost cycle end :p
[11:06] <bluesabre> :)
[11:06] <bluesabre> trying to get those translation uploads done this morning
[11:08] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre, I'll just be able to check what I want after lunch
[11:09] <slickymasterWork> how much of a show stopper is that for you?
[11:09] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork: just means I'll be uploading tonight, should still beat the freeze most likely
[11:09] <bluesabre> working on uploading other packages currently
[11:10] <slickymasterWork> I'll ping you as soon as I've done, during this afternoon
[11:45] <bluesabre> np
[11:45] <bluesabre> heading out now... will do xubuntu-docs, catfish, and menulibre when I get back
[11:45] <bluesabre> uploaded gtk-theme-config and xfpanel-switch to ubuntu this morning
[11:45] <flocculant> cya 
[11:46] <flocculant> bluesabre: you'll have mail, but no panic on that :)
[12:17] <flocculant> ochosi: you obviously have a copy too :)
[14:31] <flocculant> can anyone confirm this - have some media playing, then start sound settings - mutes, then sound starts up again
[14:31] <flocculant> never used to occur
[14:32] <flocculant> secondly - odd power manager behaviour 
[14:32] <flocculant> have a vbox vm running - try to restart host machine - get vbox asking to close vm - have to go back to host afterwards and restart
[14:33] <flocculant> with the sound issue - that won't happen again till session restarted - so just once per session I see it
[14:38] <flocculant> forget that last statement 
[15:02] <flocculant> bug 1504175 if anyone can confirm that 
[15:02] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre, all done
[15:03] <slickymasterWork> you can go ahead with the final docs translations upload
[15:03] <flocculant> :)
[15:04] <slickymasterWork> :P
[15:04] <krytarik> slickymasterWork: The most recent changes still need to be synced to the branch though.
[15:05] <flocculant> oh I see - *now* it's suddenly ontopic ... 
[15:05] <slickymasterWork> by the time bluesabre will do it, it should be synced
[15:06] <slickymasterWork> flocculant :P
[15:07] <flocculant> someone tell me what xfce4-power-manager they have - assuming not using ppa's
[15:08] <flocculant> wondering now if this vbox thing I see is in that version 
[15:12] <flocculant> purged ppa's - still seeing it 
[15:26] <krytarik> bluesabre: "just means I'll be uploading tonight, should still beat the freeze most likely" - it's a deadline, not a freeze - we still have time until Final Freeze (15th Oct) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[15:28] <flocculant> bluesabre: really really sorry ... bug 1504186
[15:29] <flocculant> hate finding things this late :(
[15:50] <slickymasterWork> Xubuntu Docs were added tohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[15:57] <krytarik> slickymasterWork: Wrong spot though. :P
[15:57] <slickymasterWork> hmmm~
[15:57] <krytarik> (Should be between Kubuntu Docs and Software Center.)
[15:58] <slickymasterWork> damn you krytarik 
[15:58] <krytarik> hahaha
[15:58] <flocculant> krytarik: why not just fix it ? 
[15:58] <krytarik> Good question. :P
[15:58] <slickymasterWork> done
[15:58] <krytarik> Thanks.
[15:59] <slickymasterWork> :P
[16:26] <jjfrv8> flocculant, on that pavucontrol thing, is it a quick hiccup in the sound on launch that you're hearing?
[16:26] <flocculant> yep
[16:26] <jjfrv8> okay, I get it with Parole but not VLC on my old desktop. Don't get it with either on the new one.
[16:27] <jjfrv8> both wily and fully ppa'd.
[16:28] <jjfrv8> While checking, I did just get hit with bug 1503945 :(
[16:29] <jjfrv8> bug 1503945
[16:30] <jjfrv8> what am I doing wrong?
[16:31] <flocculant> guess it's set to private
[16:31] <jjfrv8> oh, right
[16:31] <flocculant> can't see it :D
[16:32] <jjfrv8> thunar crashed with SIGSEGV in g_dbus_connection_is_closed()
[16:33] <flocculant> right - not in bug squad - can only set mine to public
[16:34] <flocculant> ok - got that one locally too - not sent it yet 
[16:41] <jjfrv8> back to work, bbl
[16:43] <flocculant> cya - thanks for looking jjfrv8 :)
[16:43] <jjfrv8> welcome :)
[19:48] <ochosi> jjfrv8: hey! i fixed that thing you mentioned with left, middle, right. i guess the only way to ensure those pics stay in one line is to make them *one* pic. then i guess it's not really needed to write "left, middle right" cause the sequence will make it clear
[19:49] <ochosi> jjfrv8: about direct access, yeah, generally speaking why not, but then again i think reviews are a good thing and they matter (even though they're exhausting and sometimes take a while - sorry again for that...)
[19:53] <flocculant> evening ochosi :)
[19:58] <ochosi> hey flocculant 
[20:02] <Unit193> ochosi: Have you poked your friendly neighborhood Ubuntu CD Image Team member recently? :P
[20:02] <ochosi> Unit193: :) no, sorry, wasn't around enough during the day. i had hoped knome would do the poking...
[20:03] <ochosi> problem is i can#t be around during the day atm
[20:04] <ochosi> lemme check who's actually in that team
[20:04] <flocculant> employers - so job orientated ... 
[20:04] <ochosi> yeah, IT's terrible
[20:05] <flocculant> yep
[20:05] <flocculant> Unit193: still trying to get that done this cycle :)
[20:06] <Unit193> flocculant: No, but if we wait until next cycle then there's likely going to be a lot of turnover in those 3 branches, and I do not want to rebase again.
[20:06] <flocculant> I can understand that 
[20:07] <ochosi> Unit193: i think knome knows a few of the cdimage guys
[20:07] <ochosi> either way, pinged cjwatson
[20:07] <ochosi> what about the other two MRs?
[20:08] <Unit193> You pinged the beast. :3
[20:09] <ochosi> luckily i don't mind ;)
[20:10] <Unit193> I've been talking to infinity, but he's likely the most overworked.
[20:10] <flocculant> seems to be the one that everyone pings 
[20:11] <Unit193> For everything.
[20:11] <flocculant> yea
[20:13] <ochosi> Unit193: right, so slangasek will take a look at the cdimage part
[20:15] <flocculant> I'll be glad once this is on the tracker properly 
[20:16] <Unit193> I'll be glad when I have nothing else to do with it. :P
[20:16] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[20:17] <flocculant> except ... https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-qa/+members#active
[20:22] <Unit193> That's just testing, that's not so bad.  Speaking of which, I was going to re-install my Xubuntu VM (easier than fixing it at this point), how far off the testcase can you go before it no longer counts? :P
[20:22] <flocculant> I'm going to start putting on the milestone release notes that it's not useful to use if a few days after it's released
[20:23] <Unit193> Mmmm, but it's at least a fixed spot that worked.  Dalies may or may not.
[20:23] <jjfrv8> ochosi, totally agree about the review process. I wasn't thinking of bypassing that, just for taking care of minor things that come up after the review.
[20:23] <jjfrv8> Like a couple of typos I discovered :(
[20:24] <ochosi> jjfrv8: lemme take a look whether i even have rights to give you any rights...
[20:24] <flocculant> Unit193: few days after it's more likely that issues in the milestone are gone 
[20:24] <flocculant> and it's not necessarily a fixed point that works - it might be a fixed point with known issues :p
[20:25] <ochosi> jjfrv8: nope, i can't... so yeah, the only way we can fix those is by you pointing them out and me fixing them
[20:25] <Unit193> flocculant: FWIW, I'd never use a beta, unless it was the daily. :P
[20:25] <flocculant> :D
[20:26] <flocculant> there is talk of flavours being able to start/stop builds 
[20:26] <drc> flocculant: you missed his main point: can I install b2 and then just upgrade to 15.10 w/o re-installing.
[20:26] <flocculant> drc: I didn't miss it - just ignored it :)
[20:26] <drc> The b2 vs daily was secondary.
[20:26] <drc> ah...good man :)
[20:27] <flocculant> trying to stop people think that a milestone is something good weeks later :)
[20:27] <flocculant> so - if that ^^ comes off - no need so much for milestones - we could have one a month if we wanted to 
[20:28] <flocculant> though a global freeze is useful ofc
[20:32] <flocculant> drc: I do actually try and read the whole of someone else's help request - unlike some - I'll ignore things if I think it appropriate :D
[20:33] <flocculant> and I think the QA lead can appropriately tell someone not to bother :p
[20:33] <flocculant> and I don't mean you by 'some' :)
[20:34] <drc> Really?  You must have missed my stupidity the other day on #x :(
[20:35] <drc> No excuse for it :(
[20:35] <flocculant> I miss loads in there - you're safe :)
[20:36] <Unit193> Yeeeeah, I get the frustration, but still.  Reminded me I should bail more plesently too..
[20:38] <jjfrv8> ochosi, http://paste.ubuntu.com/12718398/
[20:38] <jjfrv8> sorry about that  :(
[20:38] <ochosi> hey no worries really ;)
[20:40] <ochosi> i'll fix those shortly
[20:41] <ochosi> done
[20:42] <jjfrv8> thx
[20:44] <knome> ochosi, hopes, hopes...
[20:45] <flocculant> evening knome 
[20:46] <knome> hello flocculant 
[20:50] <ochosi> knome: i only passed along one of the MRs, feel free chime in ;)
[21:01] <flocculant> knome: what say you to some sort of sprint amongst us to actually work out some sensible subjects for faq's ?
[21:03] <flocculant> or perhaps a pad linked somewhere so when someone thinks - oooh what about that - they could just list it 
[21:18] <flocculant> ochosi: ty - replied :)
[21:30] <knome> flocculant, there was some drafting for it in the whiteboard for that blueprint
[21:30] <knome> flocculant, but sure
[21:30] <knome> flocculant, i think it should mostly be what people actually ask though, so digging out logs might come useful
[21:31] <flocculant> so perhaps a pad might be useful - people can add when something comes up 
[21:31] <knome> sure, wfm
[21:32] <flocculant> just thinking is all :)
[21:32] <knome> yup
[21:33] <flocculant> painful and/or dangerous ... 
[21:33] <knome> i'm a bit out of focus atm...
[21:33] <flocculant> :)
[21:33] <knome> but it's ok, feel free to talk to me and i'll try to reply sensibly :P
[21:33] <ochosi> knome: in case you wanna support one xubuntu-core MR to cdimage, feel free to head over to #u-devel and continue the conversation with slangasek ;)
[21:34] <ochosi> Unit193 conveniently chickened out of it :)
[21:34] <knome> lol
[21:34] <ochosi> gotta head to bed now
[21:34] <ochosi> night everyone!
[21:34] <knome> nighty
[21:34] <flocculant> night ochosi :)
[21:35] <slickymaster> have a good one ochosi 
[21:35] <ochosi> ty, tty'all laters
[21:35] <bluesabre> evening all
[21:35] <bluesabre> nighty ochosi
[21:36] <ochosi> thanks bluesabre (and sorry for pinging you on the xfce dev ml ;))
[21:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: thanks for letting me know I got pinged :D
[21:37] <bluesabre> krytarik: semantics :)
[21:37] <flocculant> bluesabre: evening :)
[21:37] <flocculant> and sorry for coming across bugs :(
[21:39] <bluesabre> flocculant: darn you :p
[21:40] <flocculant> sowwy ... 
[21:40] <flocculant> :p
[21:51] <bluesabre> flocculant: re https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1504186, is that saying a vm is running as a guest when you try to shutdown the host?
[21:52] <flocculant> bluesabre: yea - I'll make it more obvious
[21:52] <bluesabre> ok, wanted to confirm that :)
[21:53] <flocculant> look now 
[21:54] <bluesabre> thanks
[21:54] <bluesabre> I'll take a look at that either tonight or tomorrow
[21:58] <flocculant> bluesabre: bit off an odd one - if you really need me to install ubuntu to hardware to check it's not us I will - but you'll owe me one :D
[22:00] <bluesabre> ?
[22:01] <knome> krytarik, basically, two parts:
[22:01] <knome> 1) he doesn't agree with tho product names
[22:01] <knome> and i agree with that
[22:01] <bluesabre> agree with the product names, or agree with disagreeing?
[22:01] <knome> 2) he said that he'd rather have us create two ISOs within the same product, and pointed out that "desktop" and "dvd" subproduct names are the current convention
[22:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: if you want me to install Ubuntu - and vbox and run a vm and see if the same happens I will 
[22:01] <knome> bluesabre, agree that we should only have one product name
[22:02] <bluesabre> flocculant: I'll let you know after I get a chance to kick it myself :)
[22:02] <flocculant> ok :)
[22:02] <knome> to really lay it out:
[22:02] <flocculant> bluesabre: personally the pavucontrol one annoys me much more :D
[22:03] <bluesabre> flocculant: and that one I can't reproduce so far
[22:03] <flocculant> k
[22:03] <knome> instead of having both 1) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/* and 2) http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-core/*, just have 1)
[22:03] <knome> and in build dirs, like http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/, simply have desktop and core ISOs listed
[22:03] <knome> (in both arches)
[22:04] <knome> and the part about desktop/dvd was that that naming scheme is the convention so far
[22:04] <knome> nothing else
[22:06] <knome> krytarik, did that clear it out?
[22:07] <krytarik> knome: It makes it more clear to what he's referring to there at least, yes.
[22:08] <flocculant> mmm
[22:09] <flocculant> once the 2 iso's are created - does that cause us more work moving forward? 
[22:09] <flocculant> eg if we did that - pain now, but none later? 
[22:09] <knome> more work in what sense?
[22:10] <flocculant> and we're the 1st flavour to come up with this idea? 
[22:10] <flocculant> doing what has to be done knome 
[22:10] <knome> no, it's been done before
[22:10] <knome> let me dig up an example..
[22:10] <flocculant> my issue here is simple
[22:11] <knome> well the answer is simple too
[22:11] <flocculant> I don't understand the detail so don't know if a simple idea = more work for us 
[22:11] <knome> no, no more work than splitting it into two different products either
[22:11] <knome> flocculant, in QA tracker terms, instead of having xubuntu and xubuntu core products, just have xubuntu product and different testsuites for desktop and core
[22:11] <knome> flocculant, does that clear it out?
[22:12] <knome> eg. same amount of maintaining really
[22:12] <knome> just two different ways to achieve it
[22:12] <flocculant> mmk
[22:12] <bluesabre> makes sense to me, core is just a subset after all
[22:12] <knome> yep
[22:12] <flocculant> given my position - I'm cool with whatever we do 
[22:12] <knome> i can't find an example now
[22:13] <knome> but i figure Unit193 did it like this because there are things like kubuntu-active
[22:13] <flocculant> but I'll always prefer to +1 our easy way 
[22:13] <knome> which is likely much more different to kubuntu than core to xubuntu is
[22:13] <flocculant> could we not try and have a meeting quickish to hash it out 
[22:14] <bluesabre> and krytarik, thanks for pointing it out, will upload -docs once we get the next sync (should be in 8 hours)
[22:14] <knome> actually i think here's an exmaple:
[22:14] <knome> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/
[22:14] <flocculant> if we do - we need to make sure Unit193 and those needing to do stuff can be there
[22:15] <knome> lubuntu has daily (which is basically alt), daily-live (which is desktop) and a third one
[22:15] <knome> at least this is what i think we're looking at
[22:15] <knome> so not quite what i explained before
[22:15] <knome> but very close.
[22:15] <bluesabre> I'll still do catfish and menulibre tonight, they should be in their final release state
[22:15] <knome> the main point is that all of this is inside lubuntu
[22:16] <knome> not lubuntu and lubuntu-alt and whatever
[22:16] <flocculant> knome: no
[22:16] <knome> same for xubuntu and our core - we actually even want it to be all under xubuntu :)
[22:16] <knome> no?
[22:16] <knome> :)
[22:16] <flocculant> mmm 
[22:16] <flocculant> no - yes 
[22:16] <flocculant> :D
[22:16] <knome> so that part makes totally sense...
[22:16] <knome> the naming part is just naming
[22:16] <knome> :)
[22:17] <flocculant> well they do 32/64 and ppc 
[22:17] <flocculant> but ppc constantly dies and they rarely release at milestone it seems
[22:17] <flocculant> but alt and live
[22:17] <flocculant> we're not looking at that are we 
[22:18] <knome> yes
[22:18] <knome> but not alt and live
[22:18] <flocculant> we're looking at core/main in 2 arch's
[22:18] <knome> but core and desktop
[22:18] <knome> but in meta, the same thing
[22:18] <knome> i mean in the meta sense
[22:18] <flocculant> effectively 2 iso's (ignoring arch)
[22:18] <knome> so... yes we are and no we aren't ;)
[22:19] <knome> apparently the ISOs just appear this way now
[22:19] <knome> i rmeember seeing them being in the same place before
[22:19] <knome> but maybe that changed at some point
[22:20] <knome> but as i said to slangasek... how and with what name/description we link to ISOs, wherever they reside is a documentation/marketing issue
[22:22] <knome> knome: I'd like to see a proposed patch that does this as two images under the xubuntu product, with whatever code changes you're looking for to support different names that "desktop" and "dvd" if that's the way you're going
[22:22] <knome> ^ quote from slangasek
[22:23] <knome> the most important line there.
[22:26] <flocculant> mmm 
[22:26] <flocculant> or this one 
[22:26] <flocculant> [21:40] <slangasek> knome: these names are part of the cdimage code, and changing them to something else would require making the code more complicated
[22:26] <knome> well
[22:26] <knome> let's keep on pasting
[22:27] <flocculant> well - paygrades and stuff :)
[22:27] <knome> slangasek: which is not to say I'd veto it
[22:27] <flocculant> yea
[22:27] <knome> so... yeah
[22:32] <flocculant> I guess what I'm concerned about is that we argue a case, they're not actually that concerned, but have to make a point - the consequence being we don't get this in till late cycle 
[22:32] <flocculant> and the follow on - good lord from testing point
[22:34] <knome> putting them under the same product should be relatively easy
[22:35] <knome> naming scheme is another thing, but we can likely even stick with desktop/dvd until we get a serious MP done
[22:36] <flocculant> I'm not concerned about the tracker at all 
[22:36] <knome> no
[22:36] <knome> same product also applies to this other thing
[22:36] <knome> i was just making an analogy before
[22:36] <flocculant> if that's what you mean 
[22:36] <flocculant> ok :)
[22:37] <knome> it's really close to how we organize stuff in the qa trackers
[22:37] <knome> so i thought it made it clearer for you
[22:37] <flocculant> yep
[22:37] <flocculant> yea it does :)
[22:37] <knome> i'm sure i have just made it worse now ;)
[22:37] <flocculant> ha ha ha 
[22:41] <flocculant> !team | just so you're aware - we will be bringing the package tracker for the LTS cycle
[22:41] <flocculant> and that impinges on how I feel about core landing late in XX :)
[22:42] <bluesabre> I'd like to get things lined up so that we can have core builds when the x archive opens up
[22:42] <bluesabre> (on cdimage, that is)
[22:43] <flocculant> yep
[22:44] <bluesabre> also, we should get a meeting lined up for next week
[22:44] <bluesabre> to cover last minute items and figure out where we are for x
[22:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'd agree 
[22:45] <flocculant> could we try and do a weekend one - allow for as many team as possible perhaps
[22:46] <flocculant> or - even run a couple - one early and one late 
[22:46] <bluesabre> if its this weekend, I can only do very early saturday or mostly anytime sunday
[22:46] <bluesabre> oh
[22:46] <bluesabre> thats not a bad idea
[22:46] <flocculant> just means that early needs to make sure logs are up I guess 
[22:48] <flocculant> if we did it late in the week I could likely be about for both 
[22:48] <bluesabre> final freeze is 1 week from today
[22:49] <flocculant> bluesabre: I'll be starting iso calls early next week pre RC
[22:49] <bluesabre> flocculant: cool
[22:50] <flocculant> so - if we aimed for 15th - still in b4 release and mid RC 
[22:50] <bluesabre> I'll be reviewing bugs sunday/early next week as I have time
[22:50] <flocculant> and Fridays I can def be about for early and late
[22:51] <flocculant> though that late - we'd not get a stop on much other than the world stopping I guess 
[23:17] <bluesabre> if we could get the world to stop a few hours tonight so I could get some extra zzzs, that'd be lovely
[23:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: ok - all done - set one in stone, can move the 2nd about to suit 
[23:17] <flocculant> bluesabre: well - you could just say good night :)
[23:17] <bluesabre> flocculant: great!
[23:18] <bluesabre> flocculant: nah, gotta do one more upload, then do the dishes I've neglected so far this week
[23:18] <flocculant> oh 
[23:18] <flocculant> I has 2 dishwashers 
[23:19] <flocculant> one electric - one 15 :p
[23:19] <bluesabre> :D
[23:19] <bluesabre> so, one that works all the time, and one that works-ish sometimes?
[23:20] <flocculant> yea the fuse keeps going ... 
[23:20] <flocculant> :p
[23:20] <bluesabre> :)
[23:22] <flocculant> I put some things on agenda - if you want to fiddle about from your pov
[23:22] <flocculant> cos they're a bit QA ish ... ;)
[23:24] <bluesabre> k
[23:24] <flocculant> well - I did put your thing first :)
[23:25] <bluesabre> appreciated
[23:25] <bluesabre> early morning is always easier for me
[23:25] <flocculant> ha ha 
[23:26] <flocculant> I meant "Last minute Wily issues for discussion "
[23:26] <flocculant> not the time - happy to make you lead the first one :D
[23:26]  * flocculant suspects bluesabre didn't think about the chair ... 
[23:27] <bluesabre> didn't think about that, but that's reasonable I'd say
[23:27] <bluesabre> :D
[23:28] <flocculant> I'll take the 2nd
[23:28] <flocculant> I suppose ... 
[23:28] <flocculant> :p
[23:35] <bluesabre> alrighty, that should hopefully be the last catfish, gtk-theme-config, menulibre, and xfpanel-switch uploads this cycle
[23:36] <bluesabre> go ahead and find bugs to prove me wrong
[23:36] <flocculant> oops
[23:36] <flocculant> did you mean that? 
[23:37] <bluesabre> maybe
[23:37] <bluesabre> maybe not
[23:37] <bluesabre> if they're annoying bugs, don't expect a quick turnaround :)
[23:37] <bluesabre> still need to figure out gmb
[23:37] <bluesabre> :\
[23:39] <flocculant> ha ha ha ha 
[23:39] <flocculant> the pavuc one pisses me off - surprised you don't see it 
[23:40] <flocculant> maybe hardware *whrug* 
[23:40] <flocculant> or shrug 
[23:40] <bluesabre> probably just need to update, restart, then find it myself and be upset
[23:40] <flocculant> ha ha 
[23:40] <flocculant> for a while I thought it was main channel set to >100% 
[23:41] <flocculant> but that was just luck 
[23:42] <flocculant> also sometimes you don't see it if you had pavuc open within the last *amount of time* 
[23:42] <bluesabre> k
[23:42]  * bluesabre adds music to startup applications
[23:42] <flocculant> it's pretty obvious if you see it 
[23:43] <flocculant> though I guess if you were young and weren't winding it up to 11 - then maybe you'd not hear it 
[23:43] <knome> :D
[23:44] <flocculant> depending on what you listen to perhaps 
[23:44] <flocculant> knome: ha ha - you're a bad man :D
[23:44] <bluesabre> if I was my younger self, it'd be up to 20
[23:44] <knome> me? noooo
[23:44] <flocculant> bluesabre: well - all the better :)
[23:45] <flocculant> bluesabre: I always see it when session is new - play music - start pavuc - mute momentarily 
[23:46] <flocculant> it's not seconds - microseconds - but hearable 
[23:46] <bluesabre> alrighty
[23:47] <flocculant> almost like an old fashioned relay warming up and switching - not right though ;)
[23:48] <flocculant> and is definitely some regression - not seeing it in trusty
[23:48] <flocculant> will check vivid tomorrow
[23:49] <bluesabre> cool
[23:51] <flocculant> I'll check laptop too - try and tie down hardware, though jjfrv8 is seeing it too
[23:51] <flocculant> bit pointless me checking in vm - same souncard
[23:52] <flocculant> basically I will add as much hw info as I can